[00:47] ralsina, ping [00:47] or possibly chipaca, ping :) [00:50] jdstrand, ping about app armor templates [00:51] unping, everyone. :) [01:21] Does anyone knows when or if the 14.10 devel channel is getting a system update? [02:03] dobey: A while ago I asked about how to add a system indicator and you advised against it. Good call, it wasn't necessary. Thanks for your feedback on that. [02:04] aquarius: restart ubuntu-push-client [02:04] ah, it's upstart, I wasn't sure :) [02:04] aquarius: let me say you shouldn't have to do that, and i don't know what is going on, but it's friday and i'm tired so let's jfdi :) [02:04] * aquarius grins [02:04] cheers for being up [02:04] no worries; this is interesting === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:05] ahahahaha!! [02:06] and all my notifications arrive! [02:06] __lucio__: ^ [02:06] so, the push-client got confused somehow and stopped talking to the server. [02:06] it wans't dead; the process was there [02:06] <__lucio__> friday night guys, really? :) [02:06] aquarius: yes. i want the whole log [02:06] __lucio__, I know. I am *that* boring. :) [02:06] aquarius: you stopped getting pings, something really weird was going on. pedronis-grade weird :) [02:06] ok, extra credit question: how do I get files off the device? [02:06] so gimme those sweet logs :) [02:07] <__lucio__> aquarius, i am coding too! i said "no one is going to interrupt me on friday night!") [02:07] aquarius: adb pull [02:07] * aquarius laughs [02:07] mtp [02:07] popey: in the emulator? that works? [02:08] ok, uploading whole log file to bug report [02:08] aquarius: tks [02:08] aquarius: let me check it, i might also want the .1 or .2 logs [02:08] oh [02:08] sorry, missed that bit [02:08] popey: i don't think it was mentioned in this channel [02:08] <__lucio__> aquarius, and you know you have network in the device, right? [02:09] __lucio__: emulator, so a bit weird [02:09] sergiusens: how weird is networking on the emulator these days? [02:09] __lucio__, yep -- first, I checked that the browser worked, and second, once I restarted ubuntu-push-client all my messages arrived [02:09] full push client log added to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1390663 [02:09] Ubuntu bug 1390663 in Ubuntu Push Notifications "Push notifications never seem to arrive" [Undecided,New] [02:10] aquarius: can you greo "dialed in" in the .1 and .2 logs, and upload from whatever first matches that on up? [02:10] <__lucio__> Chipaca, can we infer network manager status from the logs? [02:10] aquarius: because the .log starts int he middel of things [02:10] * Chipaca wonders how much more time his fingers are going to work today [02:10] will upload whole list [02:10] __lucio__: yes, we can [02:10] <__lucio__> cool [02:11] __lucio__: in fact, that's one of the things that's missing: there are no connectivity checks (=> push thinks you're offline) [02:11] __lucio__: the other thing that's missing are pings [02:11] I can upload the whole of the .1, .2, etc if that helps [02:12] dialed-in search added to bug report [02:12] popey, I imagine that someone very clever could probably mtp into the emulator, but it would be a ton of work for not much benefit :) adb works [02:12] aquarius: um.. sorry for misunderstanding, I didn't need the "dialed in" output; "dialed in" grep is push starting up, so you grep for that and give me logs from there on, i get the whole session [02:13] oh, OK, I shall upload them all, it's easier, then you can get what you want :) [02:13] aquarius: fair :) [02:13] aquarius: samba support in the file manager would also be neat ☻ [02:13] nfs on the phone \o/ [02:13] * Chipaca hides [02:14] popey, ooh, yeah, the file manager is unconfined, isn't it? [02:14] i have a friend who used nfs on a nokia 6600 [02:14] ~8 years ago [02:14] yes [02:14] an unconfined webdav server app on the phone would be very sweet, and not hard, but I can't write unconfined apps :) [02:15] he also had a nice bluetooth daemon on his pc which would detect his phone when he came home and connect over nfs, pull the photos off and automagically upload them to the internet [02:15] Chipaca, moar logs added to bug report. If you need .3 as well, let me know [02:15] aquarius: checking [02:15] you can _write_ them [02:15] popey, that's pretty cool, the bt thing [02:16] __lucio__: 2014/11/06 16:56:09.970335 DEBUG got state: Connecting [02:16] 2014/11/06 16:56:09.979968 DEBUG got state: Connected Global [02:16] 2014/11/06 16:56:09.980252 DEBUG State changed to Connecting. Assuming disconnect. [02:16] popey, in theory. In practice, I'm not allowed to write python apps either ;) [02:16] __lucio__: that's NM events in the log, fwiw [02:16] Chipaca, nah. that was two days ago [02:16] <__lucio__> and then, and then [02:16] aquarius: yes, just showing lucio that we do see nm events [02:16] oh right :) [02:16] I promise the emulator has not been up and running for the last two days [02:16] 2014/11/08 00:28:28.946657 INFO "com.ubuntu.PushNotifications" dialed in. [02:17] aquarius: that sound about right? [02:17] yep, that's when I started this hacking session and started the emulator [02:17] folder for this little app was created at 00.29 [02:17] haha, just found picture of me on his blog http://www.matthewgrove.co.uk/moblog/2005/02/ [02:18] from fosdem 2005 [02:18] aquarius: the trouble started just after you registered [02:18] device got a network hiccup or sth [02:18] lost connection to server [02:18] nm went to "connecting" [02:18] never left connecting [02:19] huh. I just sent a message and it arrived (showed in the logs) [02:19] but then I sent the same message again and it did not arrive. [02:19] and again and it did not arrive, again [02:20] aquarius: if you send them in order, you'll get them in order [02:20] fwiw [02:20] is there a message deduper? [02:20] no [02:20] ok. the client is now in hung state again [02:20] sigh [02:20] logs again? [02:20] I sent the same message 3 times, and the first one arrived [02:20] and then? [02:21] and then nothing more about messages [02:21] in the logs i mean :) [02:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8876370/ [02:21] see the first message arrived at 02.17 [02:21] and then the latter two have not [02:23] you've disconnected again :( [02:23] I imagine that if I restart the push client I will get them, but if there's any useful info I can provide with it in this state, say the word :) [02:23] there should be a ping somewhere in those 5 minutes of logs [02:23] no ping; nothing since 02:19 [02:24] man, that's very annoying [02:24] ya, so it's getting disconnected somehow [02:24] wait [02:24] sorry, there's a ping right there [02:24] it's really late :) [02:24] there's one at 02:16 [02:24] there hasn't been one since [02:24] yep, so next one is at 02:21 [02:24] ah [02:25] nope, no ping [02:25] I've just got the 02:24 wakeup [02:25] but no ping since 02:16 [02:25] so it's not pinging [02:25] ok, so several things are broken :) [02:25] * Chipaca wonders what he's smiling about [02:25] no NM things in the log, though, so I guess that it is trying to ping and the response never comes back or something? [02:25] OTOH something is causing the connection to die [02:26] the ping is server-initiated [02:26] OT*O*H, we're not dropping the connection as quickly as i'd expect [02:26] we should drop it at ping time + connection delay time [02:26] whcih is ... [02:26] * Chipaca checks the config [02:27] should drop the connection at 300s + 20s + 2*30s [02:27] or sth like that [02:27] need to chase that up tomorrow [02:28] aquarius: get an ubuntu phone already, the emulator sucks :-p [02:28] :) [02:28] I had one but my daughter's got it. [02:28] if this is honestly an emulator problem, I'm basically OK with restarting the push client all the time when testing [02:29] At least one part of it isn't (the second part about it not dropping the connection) [02:29] ok. Is there anything I can do to a client in this hung state to ask it what the problem was? [02:29] but the thing of network manager being silly, probably is (sergiusens might know more). and the thing about the network being silly certainly is :) [02:30] aquarius: to the push client you mean? [02:30] Chipaca, yep [02:30] if there isn't, I'll just restart it every time this happens [02:31] but if there is, I'm happy to do it and give you the information it spits out [02:31] aquarius: that's part of the bug; it's supposed to realise on its own and at least log "yo, no connection yo" [02:31] ah [02:31] it has not done so ;) [02:31] aquarius: so i'll be fixing that one tomorrow [02:31] aquarius: might poke you to test, if you're still around [02:31] I'm not tomorrow, but should be Sunday and during the week next week [02:32] sunday wfm [02:32] and next week too :) [02:32] ok [02:32] yep. Restarted push client: got all the messages. [02:32] aquarius: oh [02:33] aquarius: one thing you could try is frobbing flight mode [02:33] not sure it'll work on the emulator, but worth a shot [02:33] hm [02:33] I wonder if it has anything to do with switching apps? [02:33] I switched to another app to see if the notification stuff worked [02:33] and I got a whole bunch of 2014/11/08 02:32:02.825620 DEBUG State changed to Connecting. Assuming disconnect. [02:34] wat [02:34] frobbing flight mode puts nothing in the logs [02:34] switching apps sets it to connecting [02:34] wat [02:35] ok. switched to differnet app and restarted hung push client, and i got notifications [02:35] and I send new ones and they work [02:35] Now I will use the app switcher [02:36] nope. Must have been coincident [02:36] all works now, regardless of switching. [02:37] so, something is causing it to lose the connection and not care. We shall test more later. CHeers, pal: it works! modulo this bug, you should all be dead proud [02:38] aquarius: one thing you could do [02:38] aquarius: is use gdbus to throw the nm signal [02:38] aquarius: or just restart it :) [02:39] aquarius: i'm dead proud even *with* this bug :) [02:39] <__lucio__> weird === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [02:40] if you want to produce a blimey-this-logs-absolutely-*everything* version of push-client and I can install it easily in the emulator, I'm happy to [02:40] but not now, because it's nearly 3am and I have to be at a conf in six hours ;) [02:40] Chipaca, __lucio__, popey, thank you! [02:41] aquarius: o/! === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === rigved is now known as Guest20154 === DanChapman_ is now known as DanChapman === balloons is now known as Guest57233 === K1773R_ is now known as K1773R === yofel_ is now known as yofel === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [19:13] hey i've got a question: how many (useful) apps are there for ubuntu touch and is there an ecosystem growing? [19:15] and will ubuntu touch be awesome? [19:15] nimmersatt: over 500, ys, yes [19:15] *yes [19:17] okay thanks [19:18] how about android apps, are they easy to port or to bridgr or anything [19:21] emulate [19:21] copy [19:50] popeey! [19:50] popey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:50] wolflarson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:50] what are you doing on the internet? [19:50] I thought you lived in the "real world" [19:50] kittens [19:50] ah [19:51] just about to close laptop for doctor who [19:51] lolz [19:51] is there a new season out? [19:51] end of season ep tonight ☻ [19:52] is the doctor's assistant an attractive female this season? [19:54] depends who you ask [19:54] i think so