[01:41] <rick_h_> evening, yay fireplace
[02:13] <jrwren> sounds nice.
[02:15] <rick_h_> yea, nice quiet time with the boy put to bed and the fire
[02:15] <rick_h_> AMZ streaming fail today :(
[02:15] <jrwren> all the streaming I need: http://www.twitch.tv/wcs  :)
[02:16] <rick_h_> hah, is their video everyone's talking about online?
[02:16] <rick_h_> the intro that made fun of gamergate?
[02:16] <jrwren> no.
[02:16] <jrwren> they didn't really make fun of it.
[02:16] <jrwren> one of the co founders criticized it quite seriously.
[02:16] <rick_h_> oh, twitter went nuts when their intro went down I figured I'd try to see what the fuss was
[02:17] <jrwren> http://www.playoverwatch.com   click the one on the right.
[02:17] <jrwren> its like a pixar short only cooler
[02:23] <rick_h_> hah that's cool
[02:31] <cmaloney> Star Crafft II tournaments?
[02:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: yes. tis been my life for the past 3 yrs.
[02:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: today and tomorrow are the annual "world series" if you will
[02:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: i'm a fan.
[02:33] <cmaloney> That's pretty awesome
[02:34] <rick_h_> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/11/the-first-phone-with-android-5-0-lollipop-is-the-2014-moto-x/
[02:34]  * rick_h_ keeps hitting button
[02:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: hah
[02:35] <jrwren> cmaloney: the economy behind it is bigger than NHL :)
[02:35] <rick_h_> damn, guess I'm not in the 'soak test'
[02:35] <cmaloney> jrwren: That's not surprising, though I wouldn't think Star Craft II would be this huge
[02:35] <cmaloney> Competitive videogames as a whole yes
[02:36] <cmaloney> but one game? That's like people still competitively playing Quake
[02:36] <jrwren> cmaloney: yeah, not sure which is which.
[02:36] <jrwren> and SC2 is not as popular as it was a coupel year ago.
[02:36] <jrwren> cmaloney: LoL is the one game right now.  they get 150k viewers.
[02:37] <jrwren> when LoL had their finals they had more viewers than anything on television.
[02:37] <cmaloney> I love the "pods" they're bein put in
[02:37] <jrwren> hence the amazon buys twitch
[02:37] <jrwren> sound proof booths.
[02:37] <cmaloney> Yeah, this totally cinches why Amazon bought Twitch
[02:38] <cmaloney> I wish they'd get rid of the NFL-like commentary
[02:38] <cmaloney> that's the one thing that drives me nuts about asportball
[02:38] <jrwren> well, this is the superbowl
[02:38] <cmaloney> Shut. The.Fuck. up.
[02:38] <jrwren> superbowl commentary usuually sucks, right?
[02:38] <cmaloney> Yes.
[02:38] <jrwren> but these are excelent commentators.
[02:38] <jrwren> all through the season these guys are the best.
[02:39] <jrwren> its just tough, cuz there are 5 of 'em, when usually there are 2
[02:39] <cmaloney> They're saying the same shit that NFL commentators say
[02:39] <jrwren> so the dynamics are... hahaha yeah.
[02:39] <cmaloney> "I'm not sure which player will show up today"
[02:39] <cmaloney> "This is a phenominal contest"
[02:39] <jrwren> who said that?
[02:39] <jrwren> guy on far left?
[02:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: so if you are still watching, the guy talking right now, Sean aka day9, has probably done more for esports and sc2 than anyone in the world.
[02:48] <jrwren> i swear there isn't usually this much talking between matches.
[02:48] <cmaloney> It's because I'm watching.
[02:48] <cmaloney> :)
[02:49] <jrwren> this series is going to be SWEET!
[02:49] <jrwren> really are 2 of the best
[02:50] <jrwren> http://twistedsifter.com/2014/11/austin-light-illustrates-movie-titles-with-one-letter-removed/
[02:51] <cmaloney> Christ, it's like watching Civ in real-time. :)
[02:52] <cmaloney> OK, going to watch something else in the interim. :)
[02:52] <jrwren> finally
[02:52] <jrwren> yes, civ is a strat game.
[02:52] <jrwren> this is a real time strat game :p
[03:18] <jrwren> cmaloney: wtff?  new sister machine gunn   did you see CR's tweet?
[04:47] <cmaloney> Didn't see the tweet but I know he's working on an EP for WTII
[04:48] <cmaloney> jrwren: ^
[04:53] <jrwren> wow.
[04:53] <jrwren> i had no idea.
[04:53] <cmaloney> Yeah
[04:54] <cmaloney> I wasn't aware that WTII was a thing (apparently it's the office manager from Wax Trax! restarting the Wax Trax label.
[04:57] <derekv> cmaloney: looking for cmj bump?
[04:57] <cmaloney> ?
[04:58] <jrwren> i don't get it.
[04:58] <jrwren> why WTII and not his own label?
[04:58] <cmaloney> Nostalgia
[04:58] <jrwren> lol
[04:58] <cmaloney> The kids from the 1990s are getting into their 40s
[04:58] <jrwren> FLA just joined the skinny puppy tour
[04:58] <jrwren> no detroit date though :(
[04:59] <cmaloney> That's a cats-sleeping-with-dogs moment
[04:59] <jrwren> yup
[04:59] <jrwren> would be such a sweet show.
[04:59] <derekv> I've been overserved tonight, not expecting anything I say to make much sense
[05:00] <jrwren> derekv: where at?
[05:00] <derekv> berkley front
[05:00] <cmaloney> CMJ is College Music JOurnal, no?
[05:00] <derekv> had to leave a shot sitting on the bar, which is, ___not___ a thing I do
[05:02] <derekv> CMJ in yea, I thought about being involved in college radio
[05:02] <jrwren> is that in berkley?
[05:02] <cmaloney> derekv: I spent four glorious years in college radio
[05:02]  * jrwren was a college dj
[05:03] <cmaloney> it was one of the reasons I went to Hope: you didn't have to be in a program to be a DJ.
[05:03] <derekv> jrwren: yea, it's a local haunt for me, close to my house.  Good beer selection
[05:03] <jrwren> 3yrs hear.
[05:03] <jrwren> here.
[05:03] <jrwren> wow.
[05:03] <derekv> hope?  my brother went to hope.
[05:03] <jrwren> cmaloney: shit. you didn't have to be a student to be a DJ at WXOU
[05:03] <cmaloney> Yeah, he mentioned it.
[05:03] <derekv> I was with WMTU Houghton.  100,000 milliwatts of fucking power
[05:04] <jrwren> hahahahah, sounds like WXOU.  1W
[05:04] <cmaloney> jrwren: Not sure if there was anything similar at Hope. I think you had to be a student.
[05:04] <cmaloney> Heh, we had a massive 1,000 watts.
[05:04] <jrwren> yeah. 1kW is nice.
[05:05] <jrwren> 1W on a same feq as something nearby - not cool.
[05:05] <derekv> i guess the station has more power now, and it's on top of a tower on top of a hill, instead of being on a tower on top of the tallest building on campus, in a valley
[05:06] <derekv> or as the alums remember when I was involved, only broadcast as FM over co-ax to the dorms
[05:06] <derekv> so to listen you had to tune your tv
[05:06] <jrwren> derekv: what years? cuz that sounds like some early 90s
[05:07] <derekv> I was in probably 99~2000's
[05:07] <derekv> the coax thing happend before I was involved, early 90s, 80s
[05:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, WTHS was also Co-ax at one point
[05:08] <cmaloney> though it sounded like 1980s era
[05:09] <derekv> man, if i would have taken that last shot... o)o
[05:10] <derekv> maybe I finally learned my limits?  probably not, probably I just by some freak thing my judgement stayed one step ahead this time
[05:10] <cmaloney> you're just getting older. :)
[05:10] <derekv> and that
[05:11] <derekv> so old... lol
[05:11] <derekv> SOO OLD
[05:11] <cmaloney> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/11/grim-meathook-mining-disaster/
[05:12] <derekv> oh no wtf!
[05:12] <derekv> hahah this is like exactly where most of my dream's take place lately
[05:12] <cmaloney> IN a burned out server room / barn?
[05:13] <derekv> except I'm trying to merge someone's bad code with someone else's bad code
[05:13] <derekv> yea might as well, makes perfect sense
[05:14] <derekv> heh, it's jwz
[05:15] <derekv> who wants bitcoin to die in a fire anyways?
[05:16] <derekv> unless...
[05:17] <derekv> I don't know, I don't expect whether bitcoin will go to the moon or not, whatever... I hope cyptocurrency will become a disruptive force.  Disruption in that field seems like it would be a good thing.
[05:19] <derekv> I can't imagine fighting against that viewpoint unless you already had some specific dog in the fight.  For the status quo.  And, if you have some interesting argument why that's the same as the common good, I'm all ears.
[05:24] <cmaloney> I don't see crypto currency as anything but the same sort of hoarding mentality and distrust of government-backed currencies that fuel gold-buying
[05:24] <cmaloney> Save for gold at least is conductive. ;)
[05:24] <derekv> interesting... cause I hate gold buying
[05:26] <derekv> been trying update my music tastes a bit, and expand.  Normally I'm into strait electronic genres.  I think I might be into "chillwave" maybe.
[05:26] <derekv> Also some old electronic genres I shunned before I like now
[05:27] <derekv> Totally dig psytrance now
[05:27] <derekv> "old" as in, I hated them because they where new when they where new
[05:30] <derekv> cmaloney: I guess I don't expect to see cryptocurrency to go up at the cost of USD or be used a something that is more stable than USD... not at all
[05:31] <cmaloney> The problem with bitcoin is eventually it needs to be converted into real currency
[05:31] <cmaloney> so it's still tied to the value of USD.
[05:31] <cmaloney> or whatever "real-world" currency it's converted into
[05:32] <derekv> I guess my hope is that it'll be good at what it is good at, and that the overall economy will benefit from it doing a good job at what it might do a good job at.
[05:32] <derekv> cmaloney: usd is not "real", no currency is "real"
[05:33] <derekv> I'm sure you already know that, Just positing
[05:33] <derekv> but a lot of people don't know that.
[05:34] <derekv> Had someone tell me, oh sure, invest in a money that isn't real
[05:34] <derekv> like I gave up a real thing for a not-real-thing
[05:35] <derekv> when I clicked to have some quantity changed in one computer system in return for a quantity changed in another computer system
[05:35] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's a lot of folks who don't understand fiat-currency. :)
[05:37] <derekv> the "real"-ness of the USD quantity in your checking account is based on the relative stability of the value of the USD
[05:38] <derekv> nobody would make such an argument if we live in Zimbabwe
[05:39] <derekv> but, at the same time my investment in cryptocurrency is extremely tentative, I consider it far less stable than the USD
[05:40] <derekv> Yea I didn't think about it before but I guess there is an important simularirty between investing in gold and investing in bitcoing
[05:41] <derekv> both are investing in a "imaginary" idea over the imaginary idea of USD
[05:42] <greg-g> all investment is imaginary
[05:42] <derekv> yep
[05:42] <derekv> if I really thought that the USD was going to crash, if shit was really going to hit the fan..
[05:43] <derekv> if shit really hits the fan, who is going to be looking to buy gold?
[05:43] <derekv> mostly, nobody
[05:43] <derekv> if the USD crashes, I expect things like clean water, and booze to be valueable
[05:44] <derekv> edible fat, oil... if things are looking up, maybe seeds
[05:44] <derekv> who the would buy your gold, or diamonds?
[05:45] <greg-g> derekv: you should read Debt: The First 5000 Years
[05:45] <greg-g> you'd probably like it
[05:46] <derekv> ordered.  paperback.
[05:47] <greg-g> :)
[05:47] <greg-g> I saw him talk when he was in SF, pretty good
[05:47] <derekv> i'm sure if the USD crashes, bitcoin wouldn't be a thing
[05:47] <derekv> except in a few "edge case" scenario's I could probably think of
[05:48] <derekv> I mean, certainly possible, but not super likely
[05:49] <cmaloney> derekv: There's a PDF version and audiobook version available as well
[05:49] <cmaloney> freely available
[05:49] <derekv> cmaloney: already ordered, anyways, I like to have some paperbacks
[05:49] <cmaloney> http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/archive/audiobooks/Debt,%20The%20First%205000%20Years/David%20Graeber%20-%20Debt,%20The%20First%205000%20Years.pdf
[05:50] <cmaloney> http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/archive/audiobooks/Debt,%20The%20First%205000%20Years/
[05:52] <derekv> I find I like to do a combination of ebook, real book, and audiobook
[05:52] <derekv> real book being the nicest, but the other two having a lot of practical value
[05:52] <cmaloney> Yeah
[05:55] <greg-g> some books I can only do physically. I like to take notes/underline/"deep read" them
[05:56] <cmaloney>  greg-g You're such a librarian. :)
[05:56] <cmaloney> I rarely take notes on books.
[05:56] <cmaloney> (which might be obvious for the amount of not remembering what I've read. :) )
[05:57] <cmaloney> I never really got the habit of note-taking
[05:59] <derekv> I should probably take in another discworld or two
[05:59] <derekv> I liked that light reading feel, without being crappy reading
[06:03] <derekv> greg-g: it must be really good, "snowcrash" is a suggested purchase now
[06:20] <greg-g> :)
[06:28] <derekv> i need some copies of cryptonomicon as giveaways now, can't find my copy
[06:29] <derekv> baroque cycle was ... amazing.  not for everyone probably.  far cry from snowcrash.
[15:00] <cmaloney> Wow, I didn't know about apt-get build-dep
[15:00] <cmaloney> That's awesome
[15:00] <cmaloney> Also: Good morning
[15:32] <jrwren> what ya need build deps for?
[16:08] <rick_h_> morning
[16:12] <cmaloney> jrwren: Was installing pygame in a virtualenv
[16:12] <cmaloney> and needed the deps to compile it
[16:20] <derekv> i just received an empty package from amazon.  box is like 3`x1`, nothing in it.  reminds me of a bad joke my parents would play on me at christmas when I was a little kid.
[16:42] <rick_h_> lol who did you upset derekv?
[16:48] <jrwren> 6hr video game movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkLPKd-Vs8g
[18:34] <derekv> rick_h_: nobody, i ordered a torque wrench, they sent me an empty box
[19:16] <derekv> is there a quick way to get a sandbox around this : https://github.com/VitaliyRodnenko/geeknote so I can easily hack on it
[19:31] <mrgoodcat> derekv: could run it in a lxc container
[19:31] <mrgoodcat> or vagrant or something like that
[19:32] <derekv> mrgoodcat: i just mean a dev sandbox
[19:32] <mrgoodcat> vagrant is specifically for that
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> unless i'm misunderstanding your meaning of sandbox
[19:33] <derekv> looking at vagrant
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> i've used vagrant at past jobs
[19:34] <mrgoodcat> a lot of OSS projects use it
[19:34] <derekv> cool I didn't know about it
[19:35]  * mrgoodcat helping :)
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> derekv: you could just install it in a virtualenv too
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> which is the lighter weight version
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> but isn't as sandboxed
[19:45] <derekv> mrgoodcat: yea I'm looking at virtualenv now, remembering it
[19:45] <derekv> mrgoodcat: i see myself using vagrant in the future, for this it seems overkill
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> yea
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> i just use virtualenv most of the time
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> but i didn't know how sandboxed you wanted
[20:18] <rick_h_> lxc ftw
[21:31] <derekv> oh thats fun, i got a thing that is labeled as being a "string", but the description is "binary hash value"
[23:52] <derekv> got my evernote dedup script working... sortof
[23:52] <derekv> i think i'm hitting rate limits and somewhere burying the exceptions the client gives for that
[23:52] <derekv> my result = doRequest is coming back as a bool =/
[23:53] <derekv> it was working for a minute