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MrZeehey there, folks! I'm loking foward installing a .bin program, though there's no option to allow it's execution01:57
MrZeehow can I proceed?01:57
nonubyi have a laptop with hdmi and vga out, to which I have two external lcd monitors connected when at my desk. When desked I want the top panel to appear on HDMI-0, however on auto it defaults to VGA-0. In panel preferences I can set HDMI-0 explicitly and that works, however when I go mobile XFCE doesnt fallback to laptop display resulting in panel bastardization of .xfce4/xfconfig/dsfsdf.panel.xml (or something like that) and reboot. Instead of explici02:34
nonubyt Id like to hint (i.e. if HDMI0 use that otherwise auto), is this possible?02:34
xubuntu28ois anyone online?03:02
khaaan1hi can anyone help me about an audio source changing ?03:16
holsteinkhaaan1: just ask.. maybe a volunteer can help03:16
khaaan1I want that Skype (or other similar applications) take my sound card and not my microphone as the main source for my audio. I know how to do it on Windows but unfortunately not on Linux.03:16
holsteinkhaaan1: well, skype is not a good example, since, its not in the repos, and not supporting linux well. try using pavucontrol for routing, and try a native application to make sure its not just a skype limitation that you would need to takeup with the creators of skype..03:17
khaaan1holstein how can i define my sound card as the audio input ?03:25
holsteinkhaaan1: i use pavucontrol03:26
holstein!info pavucontrol03:26
ubottupavucontrol (source: pavucontrol): PulseAudio Volume Control. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-2 (utopic), package size 111 kB, installed size 962 kB03:26
holsteinkhaaan1: this assumes that the device works well in linux, and supports linux03:26
holstein!audio03:26
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.03:26
khaaan1i gave pulse audio but i don't know how to do it03:26
khaaan1*have03:27
holsteinkhaaan1: sure.. pulse is the audio subsystem. you dont need to do anything with it03:27
holsteinkhaaan1: what you can do, is try the pavucontrol application.. should be called "pulse audio volume control" in the menu03:27
khaaan1i see "monitor of audio interne"03:28
holsteinkhaaan1: you should see different tabs,a nd you'll also see applications when they are running03:28
holsteinkhaaan1: you (ideally) should see skype, and the internal audio device you are trying to use03:28
khaaan1i want to define "monitor of audio" as my default choice how can i do this ?03:29
holsteinkhaaan1: none of those labels have to be correct, though.. so, try them all.. you were not promised by the creator of the hardware that it would work with linux, so the labels may not be correct03:29
holsteinkhaaan1: you shoudl be able to use the tool "pulse audio volume control" to select whatever you like03:30
khaaan1holstein i think it doesn't work when i change the source I played a song and in skype there are just nothing03:35
holsteinkhaaan1: sure.. try testing with a properly supported application. not skype03:36
holsteinkhaaan1: you are trying to route your music over skype?03:36
khaaan1with what ?03:36
khaaan1yes03:36
holsteinkhaaan1: "they" may block that03:37
holsteinkhaaan1: regardless, skype is not designed to do that.. but, you shoud be able to work around that in some way03:37
holsteinkhaaan1: i would first learn about using pavucontrol.. and think about how long you used windows before being able to do something this advanced with it and try and be patient with yourself as you learn a new operating system03:38
holsteinkhaaan1: you may prefer something that is made to stream audio.., or something like mumble03:39
khaaan1can i connect to skype with mumble i don't know this app03:41
holsteinkhaaan1: nothing is preventing skype from doing anything.. but, linux cant make it do anything its not made to do03:42
khaaan1i tested my config on a chatroulette and i see that it doesn't work03:46
khaaan1http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/928703Contrleduvolume004.png03:48
holsteinkhaaan1: it could be that your mic is not labeled properly, or doesnt support linux03:49
holsteinkhaaan1: try other settings03:49
holsteinkhaaan1: try with something like audacity03:49
khaaan1holstein it works with audacity it records my sound card03:53
holsteinkhaaan1: ok. so, you dont have to troubleshoot the audio device,then.. you just have to troubleshoot skype03:54
holsteinkhaaan1: try different versions, if you can find them.. and let them know its not working for you03:55
khaaan1ok i will03:56
holsteini used to get the one right from the skype site.. but that was years ago03:56
khaaan1holstein if I remove pulseaudio what happens ?04:04
holsteinkhaaan1: just that. you dont have pulseaudio04:05
holsteinkhaaan1: not having pulse audio wont "fix" skype. nothing about linux/xubuntu/ubuntu is preventing skype from working with your microphone04:05
holsteinkhaaan1: i say, just relax a bit, and try looking at the skype settings and make sure you are not missing something "fiddly"..04:06
khaaan1if i remove pulseaudio and just let alsa handle with skype ?04:07
holsteinkhaaan1: i understand what you are asking and say again, removing pulse audio will not make skype better04:07
holsteinkhaaan1: you can try it if you like, but if you literally just started using linux, i dont suggest purging the default audio sound system04:07
khaaan1yes you're right04:08
holsteinhave you tried a different version of skype? i mean, if the audio device is working in linux, and you are able to route what you like, and skype is the thing that is not working, i would start there04:09
khaaan1i'm installing v204:11
khaaan1i hope they have the echo sound test in this version04:12
holsteinkhaaan1: 4.3 is what i see as current04:13
holsteinhttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/ i would try the ubuntu 12.04 multiarch or "dynamic" whatever that means04:13
holsteinthey are not updating that, as you can see.. so, i wouldnt expect skype support to get "better" for linux..04:14
khaaan1crash with v2 :(04:15
holsteinkhaaan1: have you tried v4.3?04:15
khaaan1yes but only for ubuntu multiarch04:16
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/488053/how-to-install-skype-4-304:17
khaaan1sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 i didn't know that04:18
khaaan1mine is ia6404:19
khaaan1nope for the debian version04:24
holsteinits likely the same thing..04:25
khaaan1nope for dynamic04:27
khaaan1If i use wine and take a windows version of skype ?04:27
cfhowlettkhaaan1, probably won't fly but free to try04:28
holsteinkhaaan1: again, nothing about xubuntu or ubuntu or linux is preventing the creators of skype from giving you a working version of their product.04:28
cfhowlettkhaaan1, this ^^^^ true04:28
holsteinkhaaan1: let them know you would like a working version.. i personally hit a different but similarly "deal-breaking" wall with skype a few years back, and just dont use it anymore04:29
holsteinim not saying skype is bad, its just factually not supporting linux well04:29
khaaan1all my friends are using skype04:29
holsteinkhaaan1: i understand that, but that doesnt incentives the creators of skype to make you a version that works.. they either do or dont04:30
cfhowlettkhaaan1, put it on your pad/smartphone.  problem solved.04:30
holsteinyup.. i keep skype running on an android phone for that fringe case where i might need it. otherwise, there are plently of cross platform tools04:31
khaaan1a lot of problems with the drivers on linux04:32
holsteinkhaaan1: this is *not* a driver problem04:32
holsteinproblem*04:32
khaaan1yes but i'm talking in generally04:32
holsteinkhaaan1: all companies are welcome to write drivers for whatever operating sytems they choose.. linux is all open, and quite easy to aquire all needed information on how to create, or release drivers, or support it04:33
holsteinkhaaan1: i personally buy with linux support in mind.. choosing hardware that has linux support. so that i dont have those issues04:33
khaaan1my pc runs on nvidia an hybrid version just horrible04:33
holsteinkhaaan1: if you buy something with linux support in mind, and try and run windows on it, you may have similar driver issues, for example04:33
holsteinkhaaan1: sure.. nvidia doesnt support that well in linux04:34
cfhowlettkhaaan1, DEMAND support for linux from the OEM companies.  Otherwise, patiently wait for the volunteer geniuses in the FOSS community to back engineer and create drivers.04:34
holsteinkhaaan1:  i have that *same* nvidia hybrid here on a netbook.. i disable the nvidia on the kernel level, and hack at it.. but, it shipped with windows, and promised windows support. so, i cant expect linux support. i wasnt lied to, or  misled04:34
desmondHello04:34
desmondi'm having trouble staying connected to a wireless network. does anyone know how to debug this?04:35
desmondI can connect and access the internet, but only for a few minutes04:35
holstein!wifi | desmond04:35
ubottudesmond: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs04:35
holsteindesmond: i say, try and isolate as much as possible. try different access points, and different wifi chips.. if you have access to windows, which is likely the officiall supported operating system, try that so you know if the hardware is funcitoning properlyl04:36
holsteinproperly*04:36
khaaan1nvidia realtek horrible04:36
khaaan1which machine will be running good with linux ?04:36
desmondthe troubleshooting procedure involves me installing packages onto the laptop with the connection problem. smart.04:36
holsteinkhaaan1: i purchased that hardware with the hybrid grahpics knowing that it may be problematic..04:37
desmondthe hardware functions properly on windows and on other distributions on linux (except ubuntu and its flavors)04:37
holsteinkhaaan1: system76 is a linux reseller.. they sell with linux on the machines, and promise linux support.. there are lots of those04:37
desmondthough linux mint doesn't even detect the wireless card04:37
holsteindesmond: is it broadcom?04:38
desmondbut ubuntu / xubuntu detects my wireless card since i am able to connect to a router04:38
desmondit's an intel wireless card04:38
khaaan1system76 never heard about it04:38
khaaan1guys is it true that the kernel of linux contains a firewall ?04:45
holsteinkhaaan1: you shouldnt trust any security questions like that causally in an IRC channel like this04:46
holstein!firewall04:46
ubottuUbuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has built-in firewall capabilities. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | GUI frontends such as gufw and ufw-kde also exist. | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo04:46
holsteinkhaaan1: its true that you can easily learn how to protect your operating system with a firewall, if you need04:46
holsteinkhaaan1: http://imgur.com/7qoCHFJ04:47
holsteinkhaaan1: sorry.. disregard that image ^..04:47
holsteinkhaaan1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iptables04:47
khaaan1nice snake04:47
khaaan1i don't understand04:49
khaaan1netffilter it just allow admin to configure a firewall ?04:50
holsteinkhaaan1: you probably want to use ufw04:51
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gufw04:51
khaaan1sudo ufw status04:52
holsteinyou are likely behind a current firewall, anyway.. with a router04:52
khaaan1it says inactif04:52
holsteinkhaaan1: correct.. you can use the tool i linked to configure it04:52
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW ..sudo ufw enable04:53
holsteinkhaaan1: or, ask a question..04:53
holsteinkhaaan1: dont assume a firewall makes you "safe" from everything..04:53
cfhowlettexactly04:53
khaaan1no i know we are never safe04:54
khaaan1i will install gufw04:54
holsteindo you need a firewall? are you not using a router?04:55
holsteinif you are home, and on a home network behind a router, you are already using a firewall04:55
khaaan1i'm not home i'm using the ethernet of my uni04:56
holsteinthen, you likely want to wall some things off.. but, having a system where you are not runing services that are not needed, is likely more important04:57
holsteinand having a strong password.. etc04:57
khaaan1yes for sure04:58
khaaan1holstein i have another problem sometimes my screen freezes and i must go to the command screen and then back to my graphic screen to unfreeze04:59
khaaan1(sorry for my english)04:59
holsteinkhaaan1: sure.. i had *lots* of similar issue with my dual nvidia GPU05:00
holsteinkhaaan1: i found a ppa with packages i added.. GPU switchers, etc05:00
khaaan1i hate nvidia everyday a new problem05:01
holsteinkhaaan1: they are welcome to support whatever operating systems they choose05:01
holsteinkhaaan1: they didnt promise you linux support05:01
khaaan1then why nvidia drivers for linux ?05:02
holsteinkhaaan1: some are community drivers.. some are provided by nvidia. but, they didnt promise you linux support when you bought the machine. they promised, and provided you windows support05:03
khaaan1holstein can PRIME profils resolve my problems ?05:06
holsteinkhaaan1: what problem?05:06
khaaan1freeze05:06
holsteinkhaaan1: you are free to try whatever you like.. as i said, nvidia is welcome to provide you with a fix05:07
holsteinkhaaan1: ubuntu is not preventing anything from working05:07
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/450154/nvidia-331-nvidia-settings-prime-profile-switching-error is what i would try05:07
holsteinthough, your hardware would need to be supporting these features05:08
khaaan1i change to intel and it say you need to reboot05:08
holsteinall i was personally interested in was disabling the nvidia portion to get better battery life.. i suggest looking into the bios and see if you can do that05:08
holsteinkhaaan1: i had to reboot..05:09
khaaan1ok i will05:09
holsteincould make it worse when you rebootll or break the graphics altogether05:09
khaaan1...05:09
holsteinthink of it this way.. a team of professionals was hired to make sure that all that hardware worked flawlessly for you in windows. you are taking on that task for linux05:10
carreraGreetings!  :)05:10
khaaan1but it's a panel for linux users05:10
xanguapain¿05:11
holsteinkhaaan1: sure... and not provided to you from the creator of the hardware with a guarantee that it will work.. xubuntu is not preventing it from working, but there is little xubuntu or ubuntu or linux can do to make it work05:11
carreraspeaking of hardware working flawlessly, does xubuntu 14.04 support SoftRAID?05:11
holstein!raid05:11
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto05:11
cfhowlettkhaaan1, why does Apple work so well?  they own the software, they own the hardware and they design they way they like.  not so for us linux users.05:12
carreraholstein, thanks!05:12
khaaan1<cfhowlett> yes but that's also an disadvantage cause it's blocked05:13
holsteinkhaaan1: whats blocked for you?05:14
khaaan1i mean they impose you an utilisation05:14
xanguayou can get a full supported computer next time https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/notebook-computers-gnu-linux-205:14
holsteinkhaaan1: no one is imposing anything on you, friend..05:14
cfhowlettkhaaan1, when you choose linux, you choose to do WAY more system maintenance and support for yourself.  either buy hardware that you KNOW is linux friendly or resign yourself to doing a large amount of system maintenance.05:15
holsteini knew going in that the nvidia dual GPU i bought was going to be problematic.. and challenging05:15
cfhowlettyep.  Here in China, most lenovo computers come with intel hardware.  not top of the line stuff, but most Lenovo computers can run linux with NO issues.  I livebooted ubuntustudio 14.04 at the Lenovo store and everything except wifi ran out of the box.  And wifi took 30 seconds of terminal work (broadcom) to fire up.05:18
khaaan1imposing by refusing to give you a  guarantee for other systems05:18
cfhowlettkhaaan1, I think you misunderstand the nature of "free choice" ... :)05:19
holsteinkhaaan1: they dont refuse.. they just dont.. its just a business.. they sell a product with what it has on it.. they cant just support *everything*05:19
xanguamaybe you should write a letter to nvidia and don't forget to embed the video of linus sayin the f word :)05:19
cfhowlettkhaaan1, don't take your chevy to your toyota service station.05:19
holsteinkhaaan1: regardless.. try starting here..05:19
holstein!nvidia | khaaan105:19
ubottukhaaan1: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto05:19
holsteinkhaaan1: i found a ppa for my specific hardware by searching for ubuntu specific support via the model # of the unit05:20
khaaan1perhaps we have the same card05:21
holsteini was actually searching and found the information *before* i purchased it, so i had an idea of how to support the hardware, becuase, i was buying it used, and i was planning on using an operating system that i knew wasnt intended to work on the device05:21
khaaan1geforce 610M 2GB05:21
holsteini have an older intel asus eeepc 1015pn05:22
xangua"NVIDIA has been the single worst company we have ever dealt with."  Linus Torvalds05:23
khaaan1he is right05:23
holsteinGT21805:23
holsteinwell, nvidia wouldnt even have to deal with linus, or linux at all05:23
holsteinthey *could* choose to just make their own drivers that actually work, and support linux05:24
khaaan1or just open the source code05:24
holsteinregardless.. you got what you got, khaaan1 , and it is what it is... you should know going in that nvidia isnt going to be open..05:25
holsteinif i could disable the nvidia part in the bios, i would just do that.. can you?05:25
holsteinkhaaan1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/163740/nvidia-geforce-610m-driver-download-and-installation05:26
khaaan1wait if i don't come back it means i'm in trouble05:26
holsteinkhaaan1: i would do whatever the other folks with that hardware state works05:27
holsteinthat was probably a black screen after trying that prime setting that is not for that hardware..05:31
khaaan1not possible on the boot setup prime didn't cause any damage05:36
holsteinkhaaan1: best bet is to disable, if possible, in the bios, the dual GPU, and use the intel only.. then, i would just read about what other folks are doing in ubuntu.. you can try #ubuntu, and other main ubuntu email lists, and maybe find more users with that hardware05:37
holsteinkhaaan1: good luck.. o/05:37
khaaan1thanks for your help holstein05:38
QuixxI want to do a fresh install of 14.10 coming from 13.4, and I have a separate home partition. How do I go about keeping programs/settings?07:08
QuixxAlso pray tell why the default highlight is pinkish07:08
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TheBigDealevening!13:52
TheBigDealHow to upgrade to xubuntu Utopic Unicorn?13:53
TheBigDealfrom xubuntu 14.0413:53
xubuntu17wHelp!  I installed xubuntu w win7... both avail for about 2-3 minutes, then after reboot something went haywire and now I only get a ?grub? msg on boot... Ed13:54
xubuntu17wMy drive now shows (via TeskDisk 7.0-WIP) 4 Partitions; NTFS (eMachines Recovery stuff), Linux Swap, HPFS - NTFS (System Reserved), and Linux (the largest partition, probably where my Win7 NTFS probably resides)14:06
xubuntu17wc14:13
xubuntu17wCan someone help me...?  See two msgs above... Thks Ed14:14
jostHi... Who exactly changed the highlighting color in 14.10 to pink?14:33
jostWhy did that person do that?14:33
cfhowlettjost, you did.  themes/appearance settings14:33
jostno, I didn't... it just was that way after the update. It also is the default if I switch "custom highlight colors" to off...14:35
jostbut anyway, enabling the custom default colors has fixed it, thanks14:35
josts/default/highlight/14:35
ochosijost: the xubuntu team decided to do that15:19
martinwHello15:30
rodromaHi15:30
martinwI installed 14.1015:30
martinwNow my laptop won't boot15:30
martinwIt fails in the bios and hangs15:30
martinwI cant choose to boot from alternative media15:31
martinwI think something went wrong with the Uefi.15:32
martinwBut I have no idea how to go about fixing that15:33
martinwAny suggestions?15:33
GridCube!uefi15:45
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI15:45
GridCubealso check that grub didnt end up isntalled on the boot media if you used an usb15:45
RyielHey guys, has anyone encountered this language id specifier not provided by device, defaulting to english error message before ubuntu starts up? I have an acer c720 chromebook with xubuntu installed on it. I googled it but couldnt find a whole lot about it...19:34
RyielI take it as no ideas :(19:44
brainwashRyiel: try to ask in #ubuntu19:48
Ryielcheers19:49
brainwashbut if you are not able to find useful information via google, then it won't be easy to figure out what might be wrong19:49
Ryielthere was something about archlinux and c72019:52
Ryielbut that didn't have any solution either. it's something about the USB cause it actually starts like: usb 1-4: language ...19:53
max_Hello! Can you help me with Xubuntu?21:49
bekksDepends on your actual question.21:51
TheBigDealhi21:51
TheBigDealWhat to do to restore the default xubuntu theming and wallpapers?21:52
TheBigDeali lost everything21:52
TheBigDealbekks, *21:52
max_Well, my question is this. Can I find out (programmatically) which images file is being used for wallpaper now?21:52
TheBigDealmax_, :)21:53
TheBigDealmax_, what language?21:53
max_umm... Through shell?21:54
max_I meant through Shell as opposed to GUI.21:54
ali1234yes21:54
bekksmax_: Whats the actual issue behind that question?21:54
TheBigDealmax_, shell is not a programming language21:55
TheBigDealmax_, you mean what command?21:55
max_sure, shell isn't. Yeah, what command21:55
TheBigDealbekks, let me rephrase that for him, what command that returns the current wallpaper path21:56
max_Thx, TheBigDeal, that's correct21:56
TheBigDeal:D21:56
max_almost: current wallpaper path (name of the file included+21:56
bekksTheBigDeal: Let me rephrase it: "Whats the actual issue behind that question?" :)21:56
max_)21:56
max_bekks, I'm writing the response to that right now,,21:57
TheBigDealbekks, no actual issue he's looking for the command :)21:57
TheBigDealbekks, any ideas about how to restore my default theming and wallpapers ... ?21:58
max_The actual issue is this. I have a set of images, which are actually pages from a book. I use those images as wallpapers (I want for the book to always be there at desktop). I want to be able to find out the name of the current image (= current page of the book) to be able via simple shell command (= keyboard shortcut) to change the wallpaper to the next image (= next page in the book). Understand?21:58
bekksTheBigDeal: No, no idea. I suggest restoring your backup.21:58
TheBigDealbekks, no backups, i need to reinstall xfce4 i guss21:59
TheBigDealmax_, that would work in mac defaults write com.apple.dock desktop-picture-show-debug-text -bool TRUE;killall Dock22:00
TheBigDeal"defaults write com.apple.dock desktop-picture-show-debug-text -bool TRUE;killall Dock"22:00
max_TheBigDeal, I have Xubuntu, not a Mac.22:01
max_and that doesn't look like a shell command anyway22:02
ali1234max_: you can get and set the wallpaper with xfconf-query22:11
max_ali1234: that's true. I already use that command. What I need now is to a command which finds out the name of the wallpaper currently in use/22:12
max_.22:13
ali1234xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitorDVI-D-0/workspace0/last-image22:13
ali1234find current workspace : wmctrl -d | grep \* | cut -d \  -f 122:15
max_ali1234, it returns this:22:16
max_/usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-wallpaper.png22:16
max_which is false22:16
max_Yeah, workspace is not a problem22:16
TheBigDealali1234, have you any idea how can i fix my xubuntu theming?22:18
ali1234i dunno, what's wrong with it?22:19
TheBigDealali1234, a blue solid wallpaper22:20
TheBigDealhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/127187122:20
ubottuUbuntu bug 1271871 in xfdesktop "Desktop background solid color set to #7F0000 after restart despite being set to something else prior to restart" [Medium,Fix released]22:20
TheBigDealit is a bug22:20
ali1234what version?22:21
TheBigDeal14.0422:21
TheBigDealbut now i'm on 14.1022:21
TheBigDealis there a way to restore the default settings22:21
TheBigDealor to reinstall the program that handle themings22:21
max_ali1234: are you, by any chance, still working on my question?22:22
TheBigDealthis problem too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/134708722:23
ubottuUbuntu bug 1347087 in xfdesktop "Xubuntu Desktop Settings no wallpaper choices shown" [Medium,Incomplete]22:23
Celso /quit22:39

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