[00:07] <mjayk> haya all my wireless is very flakey after inside kubuntu-desktop were as it is fine in unity
[00:07] <mjayk> ubuntu 14.04 any ideas of what i can try
[08:06] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, before doing do-release-upgrade is it necessary to select "Notify me for a new ubuntu version - for any new version"
[08:11] <valorie> yes
[08:12] <valorie> and also to be fully updated and upgraded
[08:19] <silv3r_m00n> valorie: in which file are those settings saved ?
[08:20] <valorie> I don't know that
[08:21] <valorie> !upgrade
[08:21] <valorie> might say there
[09:08] <alex_____> всем привет
[09:08] <alex_____> тюк
[09:08] <alex_____> hallo everybody
[09:10] <alex_____> somebody hers me?
[09:19] <Michael_> sure
[11:26] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:28] <Moter8> Hey.
[11:28] <lordievader> Hey Moter8, did your upgrade finish?
[11:28] <Moter8> Had paused the vm at midnight and continued today
[11:29] <Moter8> Worked fine.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:32] <roberto_> “!list”
[14:18] <gianfry> ciao
[14:18] <gianfry> !list
[14:31] <deitario1> My K3b crashed (as it is wont to do after having burned a dozen or so discs) but, when I restarted it, I discovered that now all KDE apps on my Lubuntu desktop are failing with "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly".
[14:32] <lordievader> deitario1: Does it specify what protocol?
[14:32] <deitario1> The file protocol. Things like Dolphin and K3b fail to access local drives because the file:// KIOSlave is dying unexpectedly.
[14:33] <deitario1> I seem to remember that being worked around by forcing a restart of one of the resident background processes, but I can't remember which one.
[14:34] <deitario1> Dammit! Now I might as well just kill them all away. The Filelight process that I'd been waiting on for a while just died.
[14:35] <deitario1> (K3b and Filelight are the only KDE 4.x apps I'm using at the moment and, if I accidentally kill a Trinity component that BasKet relies on, I can just restart it.)
[14:38] <lordievader> Sounds like kded ain't started...
[14:42] <deitario1> This one? --> 11893 ?        Sl     0:48 kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit]
[14:44] <lordievader> Never mind about that then ;)
[14:44] <lordievader> deitario1: Could you provide me with an strace of the problem?
[14:44] <deitario1> lordievader: Could still be the problem. I was just finishing noting down where all my Filelight instances were pointing in preparation for killing that process to see if, when it respawns, the problem is fixed.
[14:45] <lordievader> Hmm, so kded is dying?
[14:47] <deitario1> lordievader: Historically, when things break in manners similar to this, it seems to be that whatever caused the crash in the application also put one or more of the daemons into a broken state that requires a manual kill to get out of.
[14:47] <deitario1> SIGTERM does the trick. I don't mean SIGKILL when I say "manual kill".
[14:49] <deitario1> That sort of funny business is actually one of the reasons I left KDE 4.x for LXDE. The way KDE interconnects propagates that kind of problem to the point where I'm forced into behaviour equivalent to tearing down my entire in-progress work session and doing a logout-login cycle.
[14:50] <deitario1> KDE 3.5.x was stable enough that it was rarely a problem but KDE 4.x has removed all meaning from the phrase "It's stable now"
[14:51] <lordievader> Hmm, KDE4 is rather stable in my opinion.
[14:52] <deitario1> K3b aside (which has never reached the stability of the rest of the desktop), I find the APPS generally stable but the infrastructure finicky and fragile.
[14:54] <deitario1> It also doesn't help that, in KDE 3.5.x, Konqueror was the center of my desktop experience as a tabbable, splittable, generic KIO+KPart harness... almost a WM in itself. Konqueror 4.x was so bit-rotted and buggy for so long that I developed an alternative workflow.
[14:54] <deitario1> I think it's still rather finicky but I use it so rarely now that I wouldn't know.
[14:55] <lordievader> Konqueror doesn't see much use on Kubuntu desktops.
[14:56] <deitario1> I'm not a big fan of Dolphin aside from the Split/Unsplit toggle button.
[14:56] <lordievader> For the filebrowser we have Dolphin and for the webbrowser we have firefox as default.
[14:57] <deitario1> I really prefer the in-tab KPart preview and I strongly suspect that Dolphin lacks it only because, if you've got the HTTP KIOSlave and you've got KPart preview, you've just proven that DolphinPart is a huge case of NIH syndrome.
[14:58] <lordievader> NIH?
[14:58] <deitario1> Not Invented Here
[14:58] <deitario1> As in "Dolphin was a huge 'reinvent the wheel' thing"
[14:58] <lordievader> Ehh, or 'not implemented here', I suppose ;)
[14:59] <deitario1> That works too. Generally, it's more often used to describe things like the refusal of GNOME to use things like DCOP.
[15:00] <deitario1> (Back in the 3.x days, I remember a lot of people saying "GNOME doesn't use KIOSlaves because they're C++. KDE doesn't use GnomeVFS because it's garbage.")
[15:00] <lordievader> Haha :)
[15:01] <deitario1> ...and I can attest to the latter. GNOME seemed to have a knack for reinventing KDE componentry and then stirring in a huge helping of segfaults.
[15:03] <lordievader> deitario1: Shall we carry this conversation over to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[15:03] <deitario1> lordievader: sure.
[15:47] <deitario1> Ugh. Found the problem. My root partition encountered an error and remounted read-only.
[15:47] <lordievader> Haha, never blame the hardware, even when it is wrong :P
[15:48] <deitario1> After killing the KDE daemons, I got this error -->  Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: The name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files.
[15:49] <deitario1> When I tried to confirm that everything was up to date, apt-get complained about read-only files and, sure enough, dmesg reported that the filesystem had been remounted read-only.
[15:54] <deitario1> smartctl isn't reporting any online errors, but this is the second time I've had this problem in the last couple of months and these drives HAVE been in use since around 2008, so I'll probably want to start taking more thorough measures.
[15:55] <deitario1> (If for no other reason than to ensure that, if fsck once again trashes my root partition to the point of requiring a reinstall, I can restore it quickly.)
[15:55] <lordievader> deitario1: Dmesg usually notes something about why it goes into ro mode.
[15:56] <deitario1> EXT4-fs error (device sda5): ext4_lookup:1437: inode #656325: comm Filelight::Loca: deleted inode referenced: 672817
[15:56] <lordievader> deitario1: So it is an fs problem, not a disk problem.
[15:58] <deitario1> lordievader: If it's not silent hardware corruption breaking the FS, then it's been introduced in one of the kernels which was backported to 12.04 LTS.
[15:59] <deitario1> Things ran swimmingly for years until, a month or two ago, this sort of thing happened and fsck "fixed" things by throwing out half the OS's files. That's when I switched to 14.04 so I could get a new enough glibc to run Don't Starve.
[16:05] <lordievader> deitario1: Run a long smart test.
[16:05] <deitario1> lordievader: That's what I'm about to do.
[16:06] <lordievader> Great minds think alike ;)
[16:06] <deitario1> There. "Please wait 163 minutes for test to complete."
[16:09] <lordievader> There is a reason it is called long ;)
[16:09] <deitario1> Since this machine has four drives and various non-KDE applications still work thanks to my rw-mounted /home partition, I'll take this opportunity to download and burn a Lubuntu 14.10 disc as well as doing a few other preparatory things which require little or no I/O on my root partition.
[16:15] <deitario1> On the plus side, I just finished moving a bunch of downloads (mostly Humble and GOG.com installers) to DVD, so I've got enough space free across the other three drives to backup the entire contents of /dev/sda twice over without putting both copies of any file on the same physical device.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> odd , the network-manager widget icon is missing from the panel and isn't available in the add widgets option even though it's installed
[16:21] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/HCKVbc8.png ಠ_ಠ
[16:38] <vros> Hi!
[16:40] <lordievader> o/
[16:45] <vros> ... need some help with second GUI, as gnome: How to install Gnome like paralel GUI on Kubuntu 12.04? How I might to change it?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> vros, if you already have gnome installed then choose the desktop at login just below the password field
[16:55] <vros> BluesKaj,  ... using Kubuntu... KDE. And like to install Gnome (need for some tools). And how to install it(?), in other way i get DEAD KDE(100% true).
[16:56] <BluesKaj> vros, best to ask in #ubuntu or #gnome then
[16:56] <vros> great(
[16:57] <kingjere> My server had 2 NICs. I took out one. The remaining one still thinks it is eth1. Why?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop ??
[16:57] <BluesKaj> vros,^
[16:58] <vros> it will corrupt graphs'
[16:59] <BluesKaj> kingjere, edit your /etc/network/interfaces
[16:59] <kingjere> BluesKaj: I had the auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp, but it kept sayign interface not found.
[17:02] <kingjere> dmesg | grep eth0 returns a line: systemd-udevd[329]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
[17:02] <BluesKaj> kingjere, in the terminal eth0=dhcp
[17:03] <lordievader> kingjere: Because udev ;)
[17:04] <lordievader> kingjere: Remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-net-persistent.rules to reset the naming.
[17:05] <kingjere> lordievader: It all makes sense now. Assigned via MAC address.
[17:06] <lordievader> kingjere: Jup ;)
[17:07] <kingjere> lordievader: I assume if I rm that file and reboot it will be regenerated with current hardware?
[17:09] <kingjere> lordievader: I assumed correctly. Thanks for the help.
[17:10] <lordievader> ;)
[17:17] <Moter8> Is there some way to report slow mirrors? :(
[17:17] <Moter8> These language pack installations cant go higher than 35 KB/s it seems
[17:18] <lordievader> Use a different one ;)
[17:18] <Moter8> If I'd have an option to...
[17:19] <lordievader> Change the sources list.
[17:20] <Moter8> Does that work too when installing from a live dvd?
[17:20] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/Hjrd00l.png
[17:20] <lordievader> I suppose so.
[17:22] <Moter8> Thanks, I'll try.
[17:24] <Moter8> lordievader, http://i.imgur.com/aRDWbj0.png ? :/
[17:26] <Moter8> ill try http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me-or-choose-a-faster-mirror
[17:26] <lordievader> Or just use a localized archive.
[17:26] <BluesKaj> I have no problem with my wifi connection , but I need the the network manager widget avialble tro configure and connect to vpn servers , but there's no network management widget available after my last update/upgrade
[17:33] <Moter8> lordievader, downloading at max-speed now
[17:33] <Moter8> woo :)
[17:33]  * Moter8 wonders why this isnt the default setting
[17:36] <s> ciao
[17:41] <s_> ciao
[17:41] <BluesKaj> hi
[17:46] <BluesKaj> I'm tempted to install the nm-applet in order to configure the vpn servers since network manahement widget disappeared
[17:46] <BluesKaj> err management
[17:47] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: I solved my network auto-start issue.
[17:57] <lordievader> Moter8: :)
[18:06] <Arthur_D> hi, I am looking for help on how to share my wireless connection to another computer by cable. Any help appreciated
[18:16] <BluesKaj> had to settle for network manager gnome and nm-applet in order to configure access to vpn servers
[18:17] <BluesKaj> kde network manager widget isn't available after the latest upgrades
[18:21] <ibkhayyat> hi, i was trying to install the kubuntu on my old laptop, but it gives an error wubi14.10 rev289... anything i can do to fix this
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ibkhayyat, wubi ias no longer supported on the latest kubuntus
[18:22] <BluesKaj> is
[18:23] <ibkhayyat> but it is on the dvd for to install the kubuntu, the iso that i downloaded from the website here
[18:24] <ibkhayyat> it is the autorun from the disc
[18:24] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: I solved my network auto-start issue.
[18:26] <ibkhayyat> so should i boot from the disc? is it the only option?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Snowhog, good.. how did you solve it/
[18:28] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: 11/02/14 [16:43:37] <Snowhog> For anyone who upgraded from 14.04 to 14.10 and found that their network wasn't auto-starting, I solved the issue. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1354924/comments/24
[18:29] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: Others signed up for the bug, report that 'my' solution wasn't the same as theirs, but for me, it did solve my problem.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> right
[18:32] <BluesKaj> have a strange problem with network manager widget, it refuses to show up :)
[18:32] <BluesKaj> have to use the gnome nm-applet
[18:33] <alex_rock> is there any vim --servername option in vim on kubuntu 14.04?
[18:39] <Snowhog> alex_rock: Yes. See man vim and search:  /--servername
[18:40] <alex_rock> no it does not exist
[18:41] <alex_rock> it is in the manual, but not in vim -h
[18:43] <BluesKaj> have you asked in #vim?
[18:48] <alex_rock> i am not registered. i cannot write there. have to compile it with clientserver option
[18:48] <alex_rock> why kubuntu does not support it by default....
[18:50] <Snowhog> alex_rock: See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10646339/edit-a-remote-file-with-vim
[18:52] <alex_rock> Snowhog: it has nothing to do with vim option --servername!!!!!!!!
[18:53] <Snowhog> alex_rock: No need to get angry. We are only 'trying' to be helpful.
[18:53] <Snowhog> alex_rock: What is it you are trying to accomplish?
[18:54] <alex_rock> Snowhog: I am not angry :-D Linus is also NOT angry
[18:54] <alex_rock> remote from okular to vim
[18:55] <alex_rock> something like vim -servername latex
[18:55] <alex_rock> vim --servername latex
[18:56] <alex_rock> i think gvim provides this option, because everybody using gvim. But i will not use gvim
[21:31] <Arthur_D> hi, I am looking for help on how to share my wireless connection to another computer by cable. Any help appreciated
[21:32] <Arthur_D> the computer I am on now has Kubuntu 14.04, while the one I am looking to share my connection to is one with Fedora 21 beta on
[21:37] <kavaco> hi
[21:38] <kavaco> my list of drivers dont work on kubuntu(in config panel kde)
[21:39] <lordievader> kavaco: What? I don't understand your problem.
[21:40] <lordievader> Arthur_D: That sounds like bridging wifi with ethernet, which is quite nasty.
[21:40] <kavaco> the driver list is empty
[21:40] <lordievader> Arthur_D: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC
[21:40] <lordievader> kavaco: jockey you mean?
[21:42] <kavaco> jockey? dont understand
[21:42] <kavaco> i have a AMD RADEON vga card
[21:43] <lordievader> kavaco: What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[21:43] <kavaco> He appeared on the list
[21:43] <lordievader> !paste | kavaco
[21:44] <Arthur_D> lordievader: thanks for the link. Wonder why it's so nasty... it ought to be doable IMHO
[21:44] <lordievader> Because you are going from 802.3 to 802.11.
[21:45] <lordievader> It is doable, but nasty.
[21:45] <kavaco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8907708/
[21:45] <Arthur_D> lordievader: ok, so no way to do this via NetworkManager I take it
[21:46] <lordievader> Arthur_D: Perhaps.... I don'
[21:46] <lordievader> don't know.
[21:46] <lordievader> kavaco: You don't have a Radeon card...
[21:46] <kavaco> He was on the list, after I updated and installed some programs he disappeared. So I reinstalled kubuntu. And then it happened again.
[21:47] <kavaco> i have, and work on windows 8.1
[21:47] <kavaco> r7 m265
[21:47] <kavaco> amd radeon
[21:47] <lordievader> kavaco: The kernel doesn't detect it, else it would show up in lspci.
[21:48] <lordievader> kavaco: Does 'grep radeon /var/log/dmesg' return anything?
[21:48] <kavaco> the kernel detected, and now no longer detects
[21:49] <kavaco> grep: nothing
[21:53] <lordievader> kavaco: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo dmidecode'?
[21:56] <dougl> :)
[22:04] <kavaco> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8907900/
[22:06] <lordievader> kavaco: http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-14-5447-laptop/pd There is no version with a Radeon card.
[22:07] <lordievader> kavaco: And no mention of it further in the dmidecode output.
[22:08] <lordievader> kavaco: I'm sorry but your system simply doesn't have a Radeon card.
[22:10] <kavaco> lordievader: http://www.dell.com/br/p/inspiron-14-5447-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC
[22:10] <kavaco> i'm from brazil
[22:10] <kavaco> this is the model
[22:11] <lordievader> Now that is interesting. Anyhow the lspci + dmidecode output confirm that this is likely a us model.
[22:12] <lordievader> Note, dmidecode is output from the bios.
[22:12] <kavaco> its work on Ubuntu with amd catatyst
[22:12] <kavaco> but, dont work on Kubuntu
[22:13] <lordievader> That is rather hard to believe.
[22:14] <kavaco> ahuahauhauhauhauhaua
[22:14] <kavaco> in 3 hours you will be here?
[22:15] <kavaco> I have to leave, but come back in 3 hours
[22:15] <kavaco> I can login into Ubuntu I have installed
[22:15] <lordievader> No, I'd likely be asleep. Try 8-10 hours ;)
[22:15] <kavaco> and show you the outputs
[22:15] <lordievader> kavaco: I'd like to see the output though ;)
[22:16] <lordievader> kavaco: My client will be connected though.
[22:16] <kavaco> I then send the outputs, ok?
[22:17] <kavaco> Thank you so much. bye
[22:18] <lordievader> kavaco: Please do :)
[23:26] <Phillies> still never figured out whats going on with vpn on kubuntu
[23:29] <Phillies> iptables are clear,  it says it connects but then no traffic at all       checked router settings   did portforward for openvpn for my router theres no firewall restrictions  i dunno wtf
[23:29] <Phillies> tried a vpn seller and had a friend setup open vpn on a box for me to try
[23:29] <Phillies> and nada
[23:35] <Phillies> http://paste.kde.org/p6zckh8u9