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| sethj | who would I talk to about/what would I do/etc about getting an app/package included in the LiveCD (and/or the default install)? | 18:15 |
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| sethj | I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but it seemed right.. | 18:16 |
| sney | is the package already in ubuntu? | 18:19 |
| sethj | no | 18:21 |
| sethj | sney, it isn't even written yet ;P | 18:22 |
| sney | then you've got a long way to go, pal | 18:22 |
| sney | which is not to say that it's impossible, but | 18:22 |
| sethj | sney, Oh I realize that, but you see, before we even begin we need to decide if we want to use Gtk or Qt. Qt isn't included in the liveCD (for Python anyway) | 18:23 |
| sney | I'm from the debian side so I'm not super familiar with the ubuntu process, but I would guess it goes something like make software -> package & publish to a PPA -> come back to #ubuntu-motu and ask for it to be included in the archive -> beg $metapackage maintainers to have it included with some default package set | 18:24 |
| sethj | sney, thanks, that is helpful. I was getting conflicting information so I wanted to ask. One person told me getting included wasn't too hard, you just need to make a case. Another person told me it was almost impossible. | 18:25 |
| sney | if your goal is to be distributed with the ubuntu cd, then you are probably better off not depending on something else that isn't yet distributed | 18:25 |
| sethj | exactly. | 18:25 |
| sney | your software also has to be useful. space is limited on installer/live isos, and gui stuff just keeps getting bigger | 18:27 |
| sney | eventually, the CD-size iso will probably be abandoned altogether, but installer teams still prefer to keep things trim for various reasons | 18:28 |
| sethj | sney, if you're curious, we're building this: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5738/ask-ubuntu-troubleshooter-defining-a-tool-that-new-users-will-use | 18:29 |
| sethj | sney, do they keep a special ISO for CDs? I know since Ubuntu 13.04 the main ISO was bigger than a CD. | 18:29 |
| sney | hmm, neat | 18:29 |
| sney | good question, like I said I'm from debian so I'm not deeply familiar with ubuntu's practices. I guess they abandoned that size already :P | 18:30 |
| sney | debian still has some cd-size installers and live images | 18:30 |
| sney | question: | 18:31 |
| sney | how would you feel about taking the ubuntu branding off and making this a more broad troubleshooting tool? we have a lot of similar questions in debian support resources, with the same hurdle of having to teach basic troubleshooting to every user... | 18:32 |
| sney | if this thing collects the relevant information and throws it on a pastebin based on a couple clicks, that would really streamline things, heh | 18:32 |
| sney | plus, software that's in the debian archive gets automatically pushed to ubuntu, and you can customize them for each distro with separate patch sets | 18:34 |
| sethj | sney, actually that was what we were planning to do. Call it something more generic and see if we can get it in Debian. | 18:34 |
| sethj | since, like you said, it would be useful to many people. | 18:34 |
| sney | then you're in the wrong channel! #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is where you want to be | 18:35 |
| sethj | yep, when I need a sponsor, but we're not quite there yet ;P | 18:35 |
| sney | well, indeed | 18:35 |
| sney | what's your approximate roadmap? is that on the stackexchange page? | 18:36 |
| sethj | Right now we just needed to know about getting it on the Ubuntu LiveCD to help decide on frameworks. We'll probably end up with Gtk. | 18:36 |
| sney | I would suggest gtk certainly | 18:36 |
| sney | debian's default DE might be gnome one day or xfce the next but gtk is still common between them | 18:37 |
| sney | mint also uses gtk for their cinnamon DE | 18:37 |
| sney | mate is gtk... | 18:38 |
| sney | I'm a kde user and I use lots of gtk apps still. it's more universal. | 18:38 |
| sethj | thanks for the tips, those are good points I hadn't considered. | 18:39 |
| Unit193 | Unity, LXDE (LXQt), and KDE are going Qt5, Xfce is GTK2, Gnome, MATE, and Cinnamon are GTK3. | 18:39 |
| sney | unity is going qt? that's... surprising | 18:40 |
| Unit193 | Heh, started out Qt too. :P | 18:41 |
| sney | I guess the other option is to separate the software into frontend/backend. do people still do that? anyway, then you could also have a curses/text interface, for noobs with servers | 18:41 |
| * Unit193 likes ncurses... | 18:42 | |
| sney | if you want universal appeal that would really be the way to go | 18:42 |
| sney | oh especially since a lot of the questions people ask are something along the lines of "help, it said 'no screens found'" | 18:43 |
| sethj | yes, we are planning on a cli backend, a curses frontend and then either a Qt or GTK gui frontend. | 18:47 |
| sethj | Unit193, LXDE is going Qt? I did not know that. | 18:47 |
| sethj | Either way though, the python bindings for Qt aren't included in a default install so it seems like Gtk is our best bet. | 18:48 |
| sney | indeed | 18:48 |
| sethj | well thanks for the help sney and Unit193! | 19:06 |
| sney | no prob, keep me informed | 19:07 |
| Unit193 | Heh, I didn't really help. Have fun and good luck! | 19:07 |
| Unit193 | (Also, Qt people seem more open to installing GTK applications than GTK people with Qt.) | 19:07 |
| sney | another point in favor of gtk | 19:08 |
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