[01:24] <OvenWerks> holstein: for the most part we have been doing so, looking for new changes in xfce and xubuntu to add to ubuntustudio.
[01:26] <OvenWerks> holstein: xubuntu was talking about having sort of a basic xubuntu meta that they would add to for the the main xubuntu. We were hoping to use that as well.
[01:27] <OvenWerks> holstein: That is still the goal I think. I have been able to work on next to anything as I have no system at all to work with as my studio was flooded out and my computer is in storage.
[01:29] <OvenWerks> holstein: this is my wife's computer. My netbook can not be reloaded because I can't see the boot screen on it and the last week or so the drive has started to show signs of giving up too :P
[01:32] <OvenWerks> We have been promised new flooring/walls/ceiling by Christmas. So next year I should be able to be more active.
[01:37] <OvenWerks> holstein: So we want to more than emulate xubuntu, we want to use it as is as a base. There may be more than one reason for doing so as xubuntu is following the trend of less menu by switching to wisker and dealing with that may help us have something that works ok with what menu is left in gnome and unity. That is, we seem to need to rethink our menuing anyway to work with the lack of menu facilties in other DEs.
[01:39] <OvenWerks> So ubuntustudio on your phone/tablet may end up being a reality as DEs move that way and phones/tablets become smarter/faster.
[01:43] <OvenWerks> It appears that SSDs are becoming more reliable than disk drives... the new disk drives are sporting 2 year warranties and some of the SSDs are up to 10 year... The drive in my netbook is about 2-3 years old and I am thinking switching to SSD in that as the drive fails.
[02:05] <DalekSec> Did you have any questions about that Xubuntu minimal metapackage?
[02:06] <OvenWerks> DalekSec: I would, but not till the new year... or I will forget by the time I start working with it. What I need to do is take that and see how the ubuntustudio metas work installed on top.
[02:08] <OvenWerks> So far I have been able to drop our metas on top of kubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu with minimal problems, but that was 2 versions ago
[02:09] <OvenWerks> I will need to get up to date. I was following xubuntu development quite closely, but have stopped since I have had no system to work with.
[03:01] <holstein> OvenWerks: where are you? if you dont mind me asking.. 
[04:32] <OvenWerks> holstein: Vancouver Island
[04:34] <OvenWerks> My main problem is having room to set up, I will replace the drive (or machine) in my netbook.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> But they don't seem to make them any more. The laptops are bigger than I want and the small ones are pads with Arm/Android in them.
[04:38] <holstein> i like the netbooks
[04:40] <OvenWerks> The biggest problem with mine is there are no open graphics drivers. :P what is there is ok for what I do though.
[04:40] <holstein> yeah.. i have an early via one.. pain
[04:44] <OvenWerks> I'll probably end up with an i3 based deal, just up in size. But I really liked the atom because they run cooler.
[04:48] <OvenWerks> Wife home... I loose use of computer  :)
[16:30] <zequence> Had forgotten about jokosher. Seems it has been removed from the Debian repos for the upcoming Jessie release
[16:31] <zequence> The project seems abandoned
[16:31] <zequence> Too bad really. Seemed like a nice garageband type of app
[17:09] <holstein> folks are always wanting a garageband type thing
[19:18] <DalekSec> http://www.linuxalt.com/linux-software/jokosher.html doesn't help much...
[19:18] <DalekSec> holstein: Oh, if you wanted to try and like Aqualung 1.0, I packaged it to try it too. :P
[19:38] <holstein> DalekSec: i remember kind of liking it
[19:43] <DalekSec> Aha, really?  It's been removed in Debian/Ubuntu, but 1.0~rc1 is out and works (fixing the reasons for it's removal.)
[19:43] <holstein> maybe someone at debian will put it back,t hen
[19:47] <DalekSec> Adam Cécile?  He seems to be MIA.