=== rwd is now known as rww === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [02:15] I never thought xubuntu is so much slower than lubuntu. [02:28] koell, i agree. [02:31] XF-er: i like the style and the magenta colors :3 but moving around windows feels so much slower. i dont know if i can tweak something and get rid of effects [02:34] koell, oh sorry i must have misunderstood you. if you're saying xubuntu is much slower than lubuntu, that's not my experience. [02:35] koell, xubuntu doesn't really have much in terms of effects. it's window manager xfwm4 is really lightweight [02:36] koell, how old is your system? [02:37] XF-er: CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (-MCP-) clocked at 1800 Mhz Kernel~3.16.0-23-generic x86_64 Up~13:39 Mem~917.8/1874.2MB HDD~330.1GB(79.5% used) Procs~183 Client~Shell inxi~2.1.28 [02:38] that should be more than enough, even on my netbook (intel atom 1.6mhz with 1gig ram) xubuntu was pretty snappy [02:38] you may dont see a difference if you never used lubuntu :P [02:39] i noticed a slight difference in terms of RAM footprint, lubuntu was a tad lighter but as far as using it it was pretty similar [02:39] koell, i used lubuntu specifically for about a month, and have tried lxde on other distros as well. [02:39] for example, if i move a window around, it follows a few ms behind the mouse. thats what i mean with laggy. is this how it should behave? [02:40] koell, only when i've used xubuntu with an Nvidia card have i experienced that. [02:41] two of my systems are all intel and i have no lag at all. super snappy [02:41] koell, inxi -G? [02:41] maybe my system is just too old for xubuntu [02:42] XF-er: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8893071/ [02:45] yeah not sure, i would think you system should handle xubuntu just fine. [02:45] i guess it is hard work for my gpu to handle 2 screens maybe [02:46] koell, you got dual monitors going huh? i had a number of issues setting up dual monitors with xfce before, it doesn't have the best support for that yet (xfce 4.12 should be better) but cursor latency was never a problem. [02:48] xubuntu is not the lightest xfce distro around, works fine for me though. Manjaro seemed a little faster all around but i prefer a debian based distro [02:49] img going to try it on a new pc, hope i get a better performance then.. [02:50] if you're still shopping i've got all intel hardware and xubuntu runs like butter on my machines, i always upgrade RAM to 4gigs or 6gigs but it ran fine on 2gigs for most things. [02:52] XF-er: i just moved firefox across the screens, it lags at least half a second behind :D [02:53] not saying it is a big issues, but it feels just slow xD [02:58] XF-er: weird thing is, if i try to play music with gmusic it says i've to install gstreamer O_o i though xubuntu comes by default with the ability to play music [02:58] anyway i like the wallpapers :3 [04:11] . [04:31] Just fresh installed xubuntu 14.10 on my desktop and I'm having quite a few issues. First off, it's seems as though the window manager is freezing. I'm not getting any errors, but I'm unable to move windows or click on anyhting besides what's inside of firefox atm. [04:32] xubuntu16w: in that case, i would first just apply updates and try again.. if you cant in the GUI, you can switch to TTY, and use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [04:32] !tty [04:32] To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution [04:33] if that doesnt work, i would look into alternate, proprietary graphics drivers.. [04:34] did both through tty1 earlier and managed to install flrgfx too [04:34] if that doesnt work, i personally will try different kernel versions via live CD's.. if the hardware doesnt promise linux support, then it can take a bit of trial and error to get acceptable performance.. or, maybe just compromise [04:35] xubuntu16w: so, you are saying, you are completely up to date with upgrades, then? and have rebooted into the most recent kernel? and have installed a proprietary driver? [04:36] you ran "sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle" in the tty terminal? [04:37] yup. i restarted xfwm just now and its working somewhat better [04:37] just restarted it that is [04:37] xubuntu16w: you shouldnt need to restart xfwm.. [04:38] xubuntu16w: regardless, i would start simple.. ram and hard drive test.. see if live CD's run on the hardware on not, and if so, what kernel and driver modules are running.. [04:38] how do I tell which ones I'm using? [04:39] i use lspci -v or whatever GUI tool i want [04:39] uname -a in a terminal will tell the kernel version http://askubuntu.com/questions/2884/how-can-i-determine-the-version-of-the-running-kernel [04:40] lshw -c video as in http://askubuntu.com/questions/23238/how-can-i-find-what-video-driver-is-in-use-on-my-system [04:42] dump from uname -a: [04:42] Linux brandon-desktop 3.16.0-24-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 28 13:07:32 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:43] xubuntu16w: im saying, i would run *many* live CD's, and do, when im learning about new hardware, and *if* any were supported well by the hardware, i would run those commands and take a note of what is working well with it [04:44] xubuntu16w: it can be challenging, when you are not given linux support from the manufacturer [04:44] ahhh, thanks. ill try other live cds then [04:44] xubuntu16w: i would try 14.04, and even 12.04.. [05:09] How can I tell if I'm using hardware acceleration for my desktop? [05:09] I've got an old GMA x3100 and I'm trying to run two monitors from it, sometimes it's alright and sometimes it's quite slow [05:09] Quixx: whats "quite slow" ? [05:10] Switching between tabs in firefox is taking about a full second [05:10] anyways, there are no alternative drivers, really.. no proprietary drivers to try [05:10] could be *anything*, like flash, or just an old box [05:11] !info glxgears [05:11] Package glxgears does not exist in utopic [05:11] with compositing on, it's slightly faster when it's off, but sometimes it'll work faster than both [05:11] I also don't have anything but 'normal' web pages open right now, no flash running [05:11] !info mesa-utils [05:11] mesa-utils (source: mesa-demos): Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities. In component universe, is extra. Version 8.2.0-1 (utopic), package size 28 kB, installed size 119 kB [05:11] I've got to run a VM on this as well and it just seems like sometimes xorg just eats more CPU than it should [05:12] Quixx: i install mesa-utils and run glxgears.. but, 3d support doesnt = "happiness" [05:12] I don't need 3d support, just a desktop that doesn't lag [05:12] Quixx: sure, i understand that.. im just saying, 3d support doesnt mean that you have the 'best' configuration for the lack of lag you seem to by saying you wish you had [05:13] So in that case do I need to get 3d support working or something else? [05:13] like, if you test, and you *dont* have 3d support, or *do*, that really only means that.. just 3d support [05:13] Ok? I never mentioned 3d support, just drivers [05:13] Quixx: you meantion hardware acceleration for the desktop [05:14] Quixx: that *is* 3d driver support, correct/ that is what you are asking? [05:14] So wouldn't that be 2d? In windows I think it would be called '2d' [05:14] i dont use windows [05:14] I don't know if there is different terminology for linucks [05:14] But traditionally 2d would be desktop applications [05:14] 3d would be 'games', or something that is rendering 3d. [05:15] Quixx: regardless, you can use the tool i suggested to see if you have "hardware acceleration on the desktop". but, the answer to that doesnt mean you will get less lag [05:16] Quixx: to address the lag, i would start at the beginning, and test hardware.. heat can really make machines slow down like that.. i would try live CD's to remove the current installed operating system from the euquation [05:16] What's the application that checks clock speed? [05:16] i would try and *not* use firefox as a gauge.. since you can be using flash that is quite old there, and experiencing lag there [05:16] Since this is a laptop it might not be running the right clocks [05:16] Quixx: what clock, friend? the cpu? [05:17] CPU [05:17] GPU is linked to the NB and junk [05:17] and CPU is what is getting pegged [05:17] to the MB? the motherboard? like integrated GPU? [05:17] Also firefox is just an example, text input in xchat is also lagging just a bit [05:17] NB, northbridge [05:17] you know, back in the day when the memory controller wasn't on the CPU [05:17] intel would throw the IGP on there as well [05:19] Quixx: i think you will want "lscpu" in the terminal.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/218567/any-way-to-check-the-clock-speed-of-my-processor [05:20] Yup it's running at 800mhz instead of 2500 [05:20] on older hardware like that, i would test the ram, and the hard drive.. and the the fans, and hardare as much as i can in the bios.. or with live CD's [05:20] Well, it was working fine before I updated xubuntu [05:21] I did a reinstall to go from 13.10 to 14.10 [05:21] Quixx: i would install 14.04, on that hardware, and *stay* on it.. [05:21] !lts [05:21] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Xubuntu will be supported for 3 years. The current LTS version is !Trusty (Trusty Tahr 14.04) [05:21] I need to find out why it's not running the CPU at full tilt... I believe I tried 14.10 on another laptop and didn't like it, but it was also very early in the release [05:22] Quixx: 14.04* [05:22] This laptop might be old but it's not that low on power, when everything is working right. [05:22] yes 14.04 [05:22] Quixx: 14.04 is the LTS.. thats what i suggest you use [05:23] Quixx: i didnt say, or imply that its low on power.. but, its not supporting the linux kernel you are using.. could be you will have much bettter luck right out of the box, with 14.04.. try it live, and see [05:23] there are CPU scaling settings that can make you read 800.. there are settings in the bios.. [05:24] i *really* dont think that is the issue you are experiencing.. if this is a fresh install of stock xubuntu 14.10 [05:25] CPU is ~40c, no problem there [05:27] Quixx: cool.. enjoy the hunt.. im off. you can use #ubuntu since this is general hardware support, and not specific to xubuntu or xfce.. cheers! [05:27] i say, the "easy way", try the 14.04 live iso.. if it works well, use that.. [05:27] I just did two installs yesterday and I've got everything set up [05:28] I'm not doing another install without a fight [06:51] just reinstalled xubuntu 14.04 on a macbook, dual-boot w/ osx, full-disk encryption on the xubuntu root partition... and booting puts me into busybox after i give the volume passphrase. Any suggestions? [06:52] if i reboot with my usb install drive, i can mount the encrypted volume without trouble. [07:01] hello?? [08:58] how to install xubuntu from the mirror downloads listed on the site . I tried to flash the iso image to a usb drive using universal usb installer but the uui says configuration file missing [11:19] Guys: http://xubuntu.org/news/laptop-users-fix-available-for-the-black-screen-on-unlock-bug/ [11:19] = NOT FIXED [11:20] xubuntu/ubuntu teams keep reporting this issue as resolved but its not heh.. [11:20] Fresh install,, doesn't matter. [11:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1303736 [11:22] Ubuntu bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released] [11:22] People are still reporting this bug. [11:27] Bonsai|: what if the bug is actually fixed, but people just experience a similar bug? [11:28] brainwash, You tell me. [11:29] it at least easy to apply one of the several workarounds [11:29] I close my lid. I open it. Black screen. Only workaround that works is the xrandr --auto fix. [11:30] you open it and you don't see the unlock screen? [11:30] if this is the case, then it's a different bug [11:30] I talked to 2 other people having this problem. We are all on thinkpad x220's. [11:31] right, it seems to be a problem which is specific to thinpads [11:31] bug 1387413 [11:31] bug 1387413 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387413 [11:32] "This is on a Thinkpad x220." [11:33] This is one of the guys I was talking to about the issue. ubuntu devs were arguing with him that it is not a separate issue and didn't want thim to create that bug report. [11:33] :/ [11:34] I don't know. [11:34] you could just stop using light-locker and install xscreensaver or some other screen locker [11:34] The problem is power manager not light locker [11:35] I believe* [11:35] the report is not filed against the power manager [11:35] Or,, that's where we left off, when we were troubleshooting it. [11:35] Some of the known issues include: [11:35] Xfce4 Power Manager does not restore screen power (1259339), see the release notes for details and workarounds [11:36] sadly not clue, personally I don't use the power manger, or light-locker, or a thinkpad :) [11:36] @ http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/ [11:37] Yea, this is a pain. [11:37] Annoying bug. [11:37] ciao [11:37] brainwash, I appreciate your input. [11:38] Bonsai|: I suggest that you add all your findings to the follow up report which I linked some minutes ago [11:38] * Bonsai| sighs [11:40] I'd be a bit surprised if this is in fact a platform dependent bug, thinkpads are probably among the most used pc's by dev's. [11:40] Yo no se [11:42] in this case I would guess that some of the thinkpad users should be able to debug this problem :) [11:42] Hey, I just installed xubuntu - it was working, then I installed updates and restarted but now my laptop screens just black [11:42] Lol ^ [11:42] :D [11:42] Sorry. [11:42] nothing at all, not even bios stuff. just black [11:43] not even bios status messages? [11:43] nope [11:43] That's scary. [11:43] you can't even enter the bios config screen? [11:43] nope. black screen [11:43] :/ [11:44] oh, the dark side [11:44] must be laptop [11:45] that sounds really odd [11:45] did you already ask google? [11:45] Hippie, Do you see a hint of backlight? That sounds like hardware failure if you can't even get to bios. [11:45] no backlight, but the power light shows on and i can hear the laptop is on [11:46] yeah I thought its hardware too [11:46] Hippie, An old hp I had, had that issue. Took it apart,, monitor ribbin cable was damaged and loose. I was able to "mend" the issue. [11:46] ribbon [11:46] even [11:47] i tried plugging in extetrnal screen, no luck [11:47] i think the ssd or RAM crashed [11:47] new chineses cheap laptop lol [11:47] 1st step in the International IT troubleshooting guide: Smack it with an open hand. [11:47] :) [11:48] You should get to the bios even without the drive. [11:48] ah true [11:50] ;'( [11:50] So xorg is using ~70% CPU when I'm idling on my desktop with a few inactive windows open [11:52] Hippie, If it's currently a paperweight and you can't return it, I'd pull it apart and check the monitors ribbon cable etc. [11:52] When you boot it,, and kit all the f keys does it beep or anything? [11:52] s/kit/hit/ [11:53] [ 1535.931] (EE) intel(0): Detected a hung GPU, disabling acceleration. [11:53] [ 1535.931] (EE) intel(0): When reporting this, please include /sys/class/drm/card0/error and the full dmesg. [11:53] Uh [11:53] That sounds like a problem [12:02] Quixx: I recommend asking in #intel-gfx [12:02] Just joined there actually [12:02] great :) [12:02] Bonsai|: yeah I messaged the supplier, if i cant return then i will [12:03] no it doesnt make any sounds either :? [12:03] and it won't let me send [12:04] Quixx: register with nickserv [12:04] hate this register BS just to post [12:07] oh, and while I'm here, how do I change the threshold of where the cursor is in relation to window boarders in order to change the window size? [12:07] Like, right now it's one or two pixels and I have to be really accurate to get the resize window cursor [12:09] you cannot as of now, but you can use a theme with thicker borders [12:09] also http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/ [12:19] 14.10 is installed. Somehow I have delected the printer configuration option from the desktop settings window. Any ideas how to restore 14.10 to a default configuration so I can start over? [12:52] hello [12:55] after installing opensource driver (r600) performance is still low why? [13:01] wilfried: how to test the performance? or do you mean the overall desktop performance? [13:01] how do you [13:02] the desktop performance is fine, but everything flashplayer related is not good, like watching yt videos online [13:02] direct rendering = yes [13:02] are you sure that the flash player is being used to play videos on youtube? [13:03] it could be the html5 player instead [13:03] which is the new default player [13:04] it is on every site that uses flash player [13:05] chrome browser is also slow, cause it crashes with hardware acceleration on [13:05] in firefox, right? maybe you should give chrome/ium a try [13:05] that's bad [13:06] thats why im asking [13:06] never had this kind of problem with the opensource driver [13:06] *before [13:08] works fine here, it's even a low end system [13:09] you can try and ask in #radeon [13:12] wilfried: any reason why you had to install the radeon driver? it's usually installed and enabled by default [13:13] just installed a newer version [13:13] by adding ppa [13:13] I see [13:14] wilfried: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1wpavp/how_to_enable_vdpau_acceleration_for_accelerated/ [13:14] worth a try [13:15] lol im already searching on that vdpau [13:15] nice thanks [13:15] :) [13:25] following this guide it is nearly acceptable so i will stay with this settings thanks again to bw and every reader ;) [13:25] awesome [14:47] Hi guys [14:47] if any one want change booting logo just get in /lib/plymouth/theme [14:47] themes* === weems_ is now known as weems [16:28] Hi guys [16:28] how read image in terminal console [16:31] whatkind of image ? a jpeg [16:33] any type if that possible [16:34] Airbander, i still don't understand why you need to overcomplicate things by using terminal to open all apps [16:35] Knome you follow me very nice i love that [16:35] i'm new in linux i want understand the most possible of command line [16:35] Airbander, that's not the way to learn it though [16:35] Airbander, and launching apps from command line doesn't mean you know how to use the command line, you'll only learn the application names [16:36] ah [16:37] ok [16:38] Airbander, if you are new to linux, learn how to use the desktop first [16:38] i look over internet i didnt find something good just noob command to navigate [16:38] Airbander, i haven't seen you have any situation where you actually need the command line, you have just been complicating things for yourself [16:39] because i didnt find some one who teatche me [16:39] every one send me a linke [16:39] link * [16:39] and read it lol [16:39] Airbander, but that's not how you learn. [16:39] do you have any advice ? [16:40] Airbander, use the desktop, don't try to learn the command line [16:40] ok desktop [16:40] Airbander, if you want to open an image, navigate to the directory with the images in the graphical user interface and open it with double-clicking [16:40] what is the special about it ? [16:40] and when you NEED the command line - learn what you need rather than trying to learn all [16:40] Airbander, it's easier to use than desktop [16:40] Hi elfy [16:41] err, than command line.. [16:41] do you know i was windows user [16:41] i know exactly how desktop work :D [16:41] wait a s plz [16:42] you know exactly how windows works - and you didn't immediately know that one either ;) [16:42] Airbander, but you don't learn by asking "how do i do this" and then somebody telling you the exact command to do that... you'll just memorize command to do specific things, not learn things [16:42] elfy i know how open images lol [16:42] you have right knomw [16:43] knome [16:43] how do you think i'm talking to you in xchat ? [16:44] Airbander, i understand the command line and know how to open images from the command line - but i open them from the GUI because it's easier to do that and doesn't overcomplicate things. [16:44] omg elfy go to your donjon [16:44] yes knome [16:44] i know thunar [16:44] why i asked this question [16:44] Airbander, so please understand that we do not specifically want to "teach" people complicated ways to do things [16:44] no, it makes no sense. [16:45] ok i understand [16:45] if you are runing a server there is no interface [16:45] Airbander, but you're not; you're running xubuntu [16:45] how you will open a image ? [16:45] lol [16:45] and if you are running a server, you don't open images in a GUI. [16:46] Airbander, and please do not tell anybody to go anywhere, that's an unwanted attitude here [16:46] ok i have serious question [16:46] ok i'm sorry [16:47] how upgrade my graphic's cart ? [16:47] when i start flash game they lag for me but in windows they dont [16:48] can solve this one ? plz [16:48] it would help if you started telling which graphics card you are using [16:49] ok wait [16:49] plz [16:49] yes, but please do not use enter as punctuation, we can read longer lines too.. [16:55] sorry about that [16:58] i didnt know how to get the full name [16:58] VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [16:58] i hope this help [16:59] i used software & updates for additional drivers : No additional drivers available [17:00] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [17:00] Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device fd30 [17:00] Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 44 [17:00] Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M] [17:00] Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] [17:01] I/O ports at 8050 [size=8] [17:01] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [17:01] Capabilities: [90] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- [17:01] Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2 [17:01] Capabilities: [a4] PCI Advanced Features [17:01] Kernel driver in use: i915 [17:01] this is it [17:01] can this help ? and sorry for waisting your time [17:01] !pastebin | Airbander [17:01] Airbander: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [17:02] Airbander, for the future... [17:02] sorry ubottu [17:02] i didnt know that [17:02] that's ok; now you do [17:02] yep [17:05] knome ? [17:05] any help plz [17:09] brb. [17:09] Airbander, i have other things to do now; you can wait for the answer or look for the answer somewhere else while you wait [17:10] ok [17:10] take your time and good luck [17:10] if somebody knows how to help you, they most likely will [17:10] for what you are doing [17:10] yep i know they always do [17:10] (and don't necessarily wait/expect that it's me who eventually will help you) [17:10] ya ya [17:11] Airbander: to "upgrade your graphics card" you have to replace the hardware [17:11] don't worry [17:11] holstein sorry you want me to change it ? [17:11] Airbander: i would try the most current version of flash for linux, which is only made available to the chrome browser, and can be used with chrome or chromium only [17:11] Airbander: i dont want anything for you, friend.. if you want to upgrade your grahpics card, you do that by replacing the device [17:12] ok ok [17:12] thanks [17:12] Airbander: you cant upgrade/improve the device with software in *any* operating system [17:12] problem solved [17:12] Airbander: are you using the most recent flash in linux provided to chrome? [17:12] yes [17:12] http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ [17:13] what is the best graphic cart for linux ? [17:13] Airbander: "best" is always a matter of opinion and use case [17:14] forget about games [17:14] Airbander: the "best" would be to purchase with linux support in mind.. by asking the vendors if they support linux [17:14] ok [17:14] Airbander: linux and ubuntu/xubuntu are all open, so anyone can easily and freely support it [17:15] intel works well with linux usually nvidia isn't bad either, but you might need to use closed source drivers with them [17:15] Airbander: system76 for example is a great reseller in that regard.. selling systems made with linux support in mind, and guarnateed.. and included [17:15] thanks guys for the help i hope one day come like you mastering linux [17:15] ok [17:15] Airbander: i never said, nor implied that i have mastered linux, in any way [17:16] i know you didnt say it [17:16] Airbander: cool.. no need to put words in my mouth, then.. how else can i assist you? [17:17] lol [17:17] for now nothing thanks [17:17] thanks alot [17:17] i'm hungry i need to go eat, but i will back. [17:18] Brb [19:01] Trying to install(reinstall) msttcorefonts with Synaptic and in Terminal. But install not work Say: Download Error Sourceforge [19:04] Hello [19:05] how can i assign a shortcut to change the language in 14.10? === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [23:02] XF-er: i tried on my laptop today and everything is fast :) [23:30] I just hate, how freakin hard it is in xubuntu to change the window decoration. :( [23:30] koell, please watch your language, this is a family friendly channel [23:31] koell, also, have you read the documentation? it guides you through the exact steps you need to do that.. [23:31] knome: sorry, but i dont find any application preinstalled which can change the gtk theme or whatever it is called [23:31] koell, have you looked in the documentation+ [23:31] Settings Manager => Window Manager... [23:32] Unit193: the first entry is the default theme?