=== zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [04:25] hey all [04:28] mornin' [04:40] ordered a new laptop:D [04:40] couldnt resist..need a bigger screen;p [04:41] il take my samsung rv520 back to my dads when back in UK and he can try ti fix:D [04:47] quitter! [04:47] screen for the watching of things i take it? [04:49] reminds me of the time i went back to my desk after lunch and found my boss had sold my monitor. he still expected me to finish some code of course... [04:52] lmao [04:53] how'd that afternoon go? [05:00] i sat at keyboard and typed randomly into what was a text editor before i left to make a point [05:04] and yea daftykins [05:04] quitter? gonna fix the samsung..i hope;D [05:05] why don't you just get a TV [05:06] well i dont have anything to ut it on [05:06] unless it was a small ish one [05:07] only got 2 like drawers [05:24] weird thing was couldnt order it to gib [05:24] jhad to send it to my friends girlfriend in Marbella [05:36] 0o [05:37] strange eh [05:50] islands are strange beasts to most delivery organisations, makes me think they're staffed by vampires or something :-p [05:51] and enclaves are just islands without the water [05:51] but the deliver to spain [05:51] O_o [05:52] because the border between gibraltar and spain is not a happy fluffy one [05:54] :D [05:58] i used to buy stuff from the UK arm of the swedish (i think) etailer, komplett [05:59] when you looked at the tracking, things would come down from Sweden and bounce between Germany and England, then England and Denmark... before eventually deciding where the Channel Islands i'm on, are [06:00] and a lot of sites will say free shipping to the uk until you select channel islands. thus reinforcing my vampire theory :-)+ [06:02] ;) [06:02] not sure how those connect but ok! [06:02] zmoylan-pi: what happened with the sold monitor tale!? [06:05] my other boss looked at him like a complete eejit and told him off for selling the monitor. it was a wacky cga/av monitor we used in a video shop point of sales system where it be showing movies until they flipped to the pos system [06:06] because by that point they were hard to get and expensive so it killed one machine in the office for a few days and we couldn't even get the code off it till a new monitor was sourced [06:07] >_< [06:07] also didn't help as the computer was also the fax machine using a horrible dos based tsr piece of software for a fax/modem [06:07] eww [06:08] so when you heard the fax line ringing you had 3 seconds to save before your program was flushed from memory for fax software to be loaded. fun system [06:08] on an xt computer which wasn't known for it's speed [06:09] so you could corrupt the file if you tried to save 50% of the time. now *THAT'S* how you learn to make quick decisions! :-D [06:10] :> [06:13] the last computer i used with a cga monitor... [06:16] time for brooklyn nine nine yay [06:16] aaah, what to do... to sleep or to stay up [06:17] face monday after some sleep? [06:17] what time u gotta be up [06:18] none especially [06:19] ;D [06:19] watch tv in bedand doze off [06:20] beter than trying to sleep [06:20] heh i don't have one in the bedroom [06:22] i use my laptop: [06:22] ;D [06:23] i watch tv shows and movies on 7" tablet [06:23] i just turned off my HTPC [06:24] hrmmm [07:35] good morning all [07:35] time to nip down the coffee shop i think [07:42] morning all === ganesh is now known as Guest36722 [08:08] Hi, I installed ubuntu first it worked fine no problem there, and when my system crashed i installed xp os on c drive this erased ubuntu which was alresdy installed. so now whn i try to install ubuntu it does not detect my xp os and prompts to install ubuntu on full 160gb hard drive. so is there any on who can help me dual boot ubuntu along side xp without losing data? [08:10] have you seen this? - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot# [08:10] oh gone [08:11] yes [08:11] it does not solve my problem [08:11] any one there [08:11] this one? - http://www.wikihow.com/Dual-Boot-Windows-XP-and-Ubuntu [08:11] yep [08:11] ah not sure then, sorry..... [08:12] okay thanx [08:12] bye [08:14] hi [08:14] hi [08:14] i am not able to dual; boot ubuntu along side xp [08:14] how come you logged out an then in again as another nick? [08:15] i am not nick [08:15] nickname not nick, you went from jake__ to jhonny strange. [08:15] no idea [08:15] can you solve my problem [08:16] I can't as I said, but I'm sure if someone is about who can, they will speak up. but it's early so not that many people will be around. [08:16] okay thanx any way bye [08:53] morning boys and girls. [09:12] Hello. [09:12] Morning all [09:12] My company wants to give me flu shots. [09:14] aloha [09:14] ujjain: nice of them [09:14] i dont' want flu [09:14] do they actually work? [09:17] they can tend to give you symptoms too for a bit [09:17] ujjain: yes they help, but they target only one type of flu that tends to be the most common that year [09:23] ah ok, [09:23] I'll take it [09:23] I tend to get at least sick once a year, sometimes I stay in bed for a few days, I hate that. [09:23] but I feel healthy today, except for a tiny hangover. [09:26] my household has been sick constantly for 3 months [09:26] my wife has been bedridden for 3 days with sick bug [09:26] relief to be at work [09:34] :o [09:34] nothing too sinister i hope [09:35] she has chronic fatigue so these things hit her harder [09:35] must be hard for you all [09:36] yes it is :( [09:53] davmor2: for large values of one. The current vaccine has 3-4 strains of 'flu [09:54] generally, flu jab gives you one or two days of feeling a little rough. If you actually get flu, you can't get out of bed for 2 weeks [09:55] YMMV [09:55] foobarry: on which part? [09:55] ujjain: My wife gets a flu jab every year, she gets the flu at least once a year (but she's a community nurse, so see's lots of patients affected anyway), I've never had a flu jab or the flu, a guess a sample of 2 isn't a good size, but it works for me [09:55] getting really ill from flu vaccinees [09:56] foobarry: the vast majority of people dont [09:56] anecdotally, all of the mums at thte ante natal class who had the wine flu jab caught something akin to swine flu/bad cold [09:56] foobarry: how long after the jab? [09:56] similar for my nan and the flu jab each year [09:56] very soon [09:57] it takes 2 weeks for the vaccine to kick in [09:57] which one? swine flu or flu jab [09:57] 2 weeks is still very soon [09:57] At the end of the day, the jab gives you a mild form of the flu, so its understandable to mild symptoms of flu afterwards while your body builds the antibodies to fight it for the future [09:57] within 2 weeks is probably more likely [09:58] I mean it takes 2 weeks for you to build up immunity [09:58] my son will have the nasal flu vaccine soon [09:58] What Seeker` said ^^ [09:58] so if you get exposed to the flu virus within about 10 days of the jab you can still get the flu [09:58] yep [09:58] Any one recommend a router to replace a BT Home Hub ? I'm guessing BT are not like Sky and don't want you to replace it ? [09:58] but strange that the ante natal mums all had a terrible cold and the non vaccine mums didnt [09:59] in late preganncy , if you catch a cold, it stays [09:59] diplo: I don't have any problems using a non-BT router for infinity (some EoL Netgear router) [09:59] foobarry: exclusively? [09:59] OK great, will take a look around, not looked at routers in years.. always have Drayteks from work [10:00] But a bit out of price range for my dad :) [10:00] But as DJones said, the body reacts as if the virus is real, so a temperature etc. for a day or two is normal [10:01] because thats how your body fights viruses [10:01] Seeker`: wasn't performed under scientific conditions but it was along the lines of "you guys have a terrible cold, did you have the swine jab"? and you guys without a cold, did you have it? [10:01] foobarry: you probably ignored the non-vaccine people that were too ill to come to the class :P [10:02] heh [10:02] foobarry: Easily explained, the nurse giving the flu jab had a cold, breathed on everybody getting the jab, and couldn't breath on the others because they were getting coffee in a different room while the jabs were done :) [10:02] ........Problem solved..... [10:03] and there is a difference between "bad cold" and "flu" [10:03] if you have flu, you won't be out of the house [10:03] also, mums with colds during preganncy are more likely to have baby with asthma [10:03] so if vaccine->cold then ? [10:04] what? How do you think that would work? [10:04] huh? [10:04] what would work [10:04] how would the flu vaccine cause someone to get a cold? [10:05] or do you mean if they have the vaccine it must be a cold? [10:05] i am convinced the vaccine does cause a cold in many people [10:05] especially the obvserved results in old people and pregnants [10:06] The nasal spray is well tolerated and the most commonly reported side effects are mild and include runny nose, nasal congestion and cough. [10:07] and only recommended for "healthy" [10:07] How do you think the flu vaccine gives someone a cold? It gives them cold-like symptoms, but the symptoms you get are the immune response, which is what you would expect [10:07] hence "feel rough for a few days" [10:08] "Low-grade fever, headache and muscle aches also may occur" [10:08] so even if you are non-contagious , you essentially get a "cold" [10:08] no. You get an immune response [10:09] you need to have an infection with a cold virus to have a cold [10:10] Have to agree with Seeker` "Flu" is a different virus to "cold" so symptoms might be similar, but flu jab can't give you a cold, just a mild form of flu [10:10] DJones: it doesn't even give you a mild form of flu. [10:10] well that is the definition fo the vaccine [10:10] vaccine IS a mild form of the flu [10:10] and gives you cold symptoms [10:11] foobarry: you don't get an active infection [10:11] Seeker`: Yeah agreed, mild symptoms caused by the vaccine as it causes the body to generate antibodies [10:11] calling it "mild flu" is FUD [10:11] whether it is active or not , you still feel ill [10:12] foobarry: yes. You feel rough for a day or two. That is vastly better than having flu. Several orders of magnitude better [10:13] however, even if you do feel rough, you don't have a cold. You don't have the flu. [10:13] thats why i said you essentially get a "cold" [10:13] you don't [10:14] because to have a cold you need to have an active infection with a cold virus [10:14] it looks like a cold and smells like a cold [10:14] but it isn't [10:14] whether it is active or not is largely irrelavent to the sufferer [10:15] foobarry: Bunged up nose, can't smell anything whether its a cold or the flu :) [10:16] Anyone aware of a F/OSS OpenStack-type thing that can be privately hosted? [10:16] uh, openstack? [10:17] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Compact-Lipstick-Sized-Portable-External-Technology/dp/B005QI1A8C < this is not a 2amp charger [10:17] right? [10:17] hahaha :P [10:17] opensource openstack = openstack? [10:18] that's the point of openstack, build your own cloud [10:18] except that it's kind of difficult [10:18] Sorry, finger-fudge [10:18] foobarry: calling everything that results in a bunged up nose a "cold" just isn't correct [10:18] ujjain: well yeah, it's virtualisation with a great deal of flexibility. it ain;t gonna be easy [10:19] *AHEM* Anyone aware of a F/OSS **StackExchange**-type thing that can be privately hosted? [10:19] ujjain: it says 1A on it. [10:19] popey, ah ok, I didn't get that, that sucks then. [10:19] TwistedLucidity: fedora have one.. [10:19] https://askbot.com/ [10:20] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Orphans Day! :-D [10:20] it's not opensource right? [10:20] oh, maybe not [10:20] surprising [10:20] https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/questions/ i assumed it would be [10:20] maybe it is actually [10:20] http://www.mkyong.com/featured/top-5-open-source-qa-systems/ [10:20] foobarry: and while it might be irrelevant to the sufferer, saying that the flu vaccine causes "flu", "mild flu" or a "cold" is incorrect. It simply isn't accurate. [10:20] TwistedLucidity check that link [10:21] http://www.osqa.net/ seems perfect [10:21] Ta [10:21] That does look like the shizzle. [10:24] TwistedLucidity, something like discourse? [10:24] Askbot is a free open source Question and Answer (Q&A) forum software written in Django and Python. < GPL too btw. [10:24] That's a forum type thing, no? [10:25] ujjain: GPL will probably be knee-jerk refused. [10:25] http://try.discourse.org/ [10:25] ah ok, I don't know which FOSS license, if that matters. [10:25] discourse isn't a Q&A [10:25] TwistedLucidity, yeah, you're right, actually. [10:26] I can find out, was just struggling to find examples [10:26] have heards of Shapado before [10:26] I just made the mental link with Jeff Atwood. :) [10:27] ok who signed me up to the mellow mushroom e-club? [10:29] Good morning peeps :) [10:30] Yes. [10:32] JamesTait: that's an oxymoron if ever there was one, what have orphans got to be happy about ;) Happy orphan adoption day I could go with :) [10:32] morning bigcalm [10:34] http://www.linuxvoice.com/raspberry-pi-model-a/ [10:34] neato [10:34] there is a 15 pound one now! [10:37] man that nearly a stone [10:38] 1st 1lb [10:54] davmor2, I did think that as I was typing it, and I refrained from wishing everyone a happy cancer awareness day for the same reason. :-/ [10:56] JamesTait: hahaha, yeah it's hard to judge which would be worse there......oh wait combining the two would definitely be the worse option [10:57] just as I was planning to set a trigger to reply to everything davmor2 says with "*groan*" he actually says something that isn't an awful dad joke or a pun. [10:57] what a lost opportunity [10:58] :D [10:59] Myrtti: haha like it :) [11:00] I was starting to suspect you communicate only by puns [11:00] faith in davmor2 having atleast some shred of mental health left: restored [11:01] Myrtti, that won't last long. ;) [11:01] http://www.meetup.com/Linux-Open-Evening-Hayes-West-London/events/218005122/ - rackspace open evening for linux techs next wednesday [11:01] Myrtti: yeah don't worry I have a cold I'm not feeling well ;) [11:03] davmor2, I hope you didn't have that when you bear-hugged me on Friday. [11:03] JamesTait: no wifey had it then, passed it to me over the weekend cause she's nice like that [11:04] too much kissy wissy [11:06] davmor2, aww, how sweet - you even share your pathogens! [11:07] JamesTait: you mean you and your family don't :P [11:08] davmor2, ìf it means me getting what Connagh's had the lat couple of weeks, I hope not. :-P [11:08] JamesTait: oh that sounds rough [11:09] davmor2, it's "only" a cough. But it's the kind of cough that keeps him (and us) up half the night and he's struggling to shake it. [11:10] davmor2: chances of you coming to the LUG this week? [11:10] davmor2, coughing-induced vomiting has become a regular highlight, unfortunately. [11:12] bigcalm: if it is this week hopefully high depending on the cold [11:12] JamesTait: ouch yes not fun, and what makes it worse is the acid reflux would trigger more coughing thus starting the cycle off again :( [11:13] davmor2: if you're not there, do you want me to give Ron a tenner for you? [11:13] davmor2, precisely. :( [11:13] bigcalm: that would be awesome if you could. thanks [11:14] davmor2: erm, I mean £5 [11:14] davmor2: unless you're bringing a +1 [11:14] bigcalm: no just me [11:14] Okay [11:15] Myrtti: see I can be serious [11:17] Like Hamlet, davmor2 pretends to be mad as a March hare to confuse his peers [11:19] bigcalm: no I am as mad as a march hare, I just have moments of lucidity :) [11:20] bigcalm: it's the lucid bits that worry people the most ;) Don't know why :) [11:38] ali1234: Thanks for that ssd recommendation, picked one up at the weekend & works nicely, not sure if I notice much of a speed difference compared to the old hdd though [11:45] DJones: speed up doing what? [11:46] Just general speed, I wasn't expecting much difference [11:46] From experience so far, it bears out what I expected [11:54] http://finland.fi/Public/default.aspx?contentid=315671&nodeid=37588&culture=en-US [11:54] :-D [12:04] our equallogic SAN almost at its 5yr warranty expiry [12:05] first disk has just died [12:05] uptime 1114 days [12:05] great bit of kit === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:17] :) [12:18] did it travel around the planet a few times crossing the international date line so it thinks it's after it's expiration date? :-) [12:28] new raspberry pi a+ [12:29] http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-model-a-plus-on-sale/ [12:30] £15 [12:32] while i understand that it's mostly used for embedded tasks i really think it needed 2 usb ports [12:54] convenient that the wall berlin came down around this time of year. it means they do not have to mention ze war [12:55] also came down same day as krystalnacht so drowns that out a smidge too [12:56] yes [12:58] OR it could be seen as a country that something appaling happened in got's its act together and did something wonderful a few years later? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [14:41] and so it starts all over again: tv ads showing e-cigs [14:43] well they've already started banning vaping in public spaces so it may not be on tv long [14:43] unless it makes money [14:43] some rules haven't been updated yet [14:44] a colleague is vaping in the office, but it irritates my throat and i can taste it [14:44] well it may take less time to get it off air. though how they'll ban the vaping not shown vaping ads will be interesting [14:44] H&S unofficially advised that it is banned [14:44] i still fondly remember the funny hamlet ads in the 80s [14:44] but no clear comms coming centrally means awkward convos arising rather than a global email saying don't vape indoors [14:45] true but we live in a huggy feely don't want to hurt anyones feelings hr world [14:45] zmoylan-pi: the first introduction most kids got to classical music ...... oh that's the hamlet music [14:45] waht's wrong with vaping? [14:45] bad for you [14:45] its more likely that it takes ages for issues to be decided upon [14:46] if a colleague does it indoors we all breathe it [14:46] it irritates my throat [14:46] and tastes nasty [14:46] it's not just water vapour [14:46] in theory, vaping makes smokers more productive, as its saves on the time, they would use to go out for a smoke, to actually doing producitve things in the office. [14:47] while annoying the other users of the office [14:47] Simple, just doc smokers 1 hours wage every day to compensate for wasted time. [14:47] dont hire smokers [14:47] * TwistedLucidity await fireworks... [14:47] that has been known to happen already, TwistedLucidity [14:47] well, let people smoke but judge them on their productivity [14:48] just don't judge non-smokers badly if they spend an hour away frmo their desk during their day [14:48] 1hr ? [14:48] but who am I, i'm going to spend3pm to 5pm playing pool [14:48] i had a colleague who spent 1hr at his desk [14:48] and the rest in the smoking room chatting up the ladies [14:48] ah, good life. [14:48] smoking room = common non-work room [14:48] * brobostigon used chewing tobacco in his last office, he got the micotine, was productive, and didnt annoy anyone with bad smells etc. [14:49] the vaper uses patches+vape [14:49] +cigs [14:49] just as long as his spitoon was emptied... [14:49] yeah, hehe, a lot of people get away with it, a lot of pepople also seem to be 3 or 4 times as prodcutive as others and just make the same money [14:49] http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/66014-systemd-fallout-joey-hess-quits-debian-project [14:49] greybeards... [14:49] I wonder where he'll go? [14:49] isnt that what tissues were invented for ?, zmoylan-pi ? [14:49] the elder sandals, they should not be dismissed as they are wise [14:50] and bins [14:50] Ceilings? [14:50] under the desk [14:50] actually no brobostigon, kleenex were invented to remove makeup, they put up a suggestion box for other uses till someone added a disposable hankerchief [14:50] No wait, that's wet tissue paper [14:50] oh wait, that's schools [14:51] heh, double "oh waits" [14:51] and to remove mucus from ones nasel passages. [14:51] and "other things" [14:58] Me: Sorry, I can’t accept this booking. I could never meet the deadline. [14:58] Client: Why? [14:58] Me: Well, because it’s at least 45 hours of work. [14:58] Client: So? The deadline is 48 hours away. (clientsfromhell.net) [14:59] just read that on rss [15:00] my old boss [15:00] "this data will take 3 hrs to copy" [15:00] "i'm back from lunch in 1hr , have it done" [15:00] "but physics..." [15:02] i'd sit staring at the machine and tell him i'm willing the computer to do the job faster [15:02] he'd already left [15:02] pretend to be the opposite to scotty, i am no miracle worker. [15:03] turns out his lunch took 3 hrs and he just wanted to try to dominate me [15:03] set all the clocks in the office back 2 hours... and claim some sort of time dilation has delayed the copy [15:03] sociopath [15:03] :( [15:03] he made people cry often [15:03] some people are very cruel. [15:03] i used to throw my boss down the stairs when he said things that were extra stupid. was the office punishment [15:04] 50 shades of grey [15:04] :-| [15:04] "50 shades of being a nutter of a boss" [15:05] i left because of irrational behaviour like that [15:05] kept acquiring companies and sacking their IT [15:05] because i'd managed to consolidate their stuff before, [15:06] it set a new baseline for expectations [15:06] if you don't like failure, you will end up breaking yourself as the pressure increases to breaking point [15:07] i see that in alan sugar too [15:07] why would anyone give him the time of day? [15:07] yes lord sugar, thankyou lord sugar for the oporutnity to be your slave [15:08] foobarry, was he the archetype for the book?: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/aug/24/fifty-shades-grey-domestic-violence-campaigners [15:09] i think he was textbook sociopath [15:09] sounds like the book alright [15:09] :-p [15:10] seriously I don't get why women found the book empowering [15:10] whats that business with the guy who killed those 2 girls in hong kong? [15:10] its bizarre [15:10] not sure I'm aware of that one [15:10] how do you make the step from wall st -> lord of the flies [15:10] google rurik jutting [15:11] On his final day at work Rurik Jutting cleared his desk and recorded a new voicemail message. [15:11] Part of it read: “I am out of the office. Indefinitely. For urgent inquiries or indeed any inquiries please contact someone who is not an insane psychopath.” [15:11] ah yes [15:11] eek [15:13] seriously mucked up that is [15:13] that sort of job attracts psychopaths anyway i thought [15:14] ooh, my gmail has hit 7.99GB [15:14] i used to work with them [15:14] * diddledan waits for it to clock-over [15:14] and the wannabees too [15:14] i just delete anything more than 2 years old in my gmail and have it stored locally for backup [15:15] why not setup a ***2@gmail.com and archive it there? [15:15] it's pretty sad thay there's no way to detach attachments and safe space that way without forwarding silliness [15:17] offlineimap [15:17] download and re-upload [15:17] not worth the bandwidth for such a simple task [15:18] it was requested a few months after gmail started and has never been done [15:19] how many spaces does google give a freebie account these days? [15:19] 10gb? [15:19] (mine is a business) [15:20] ah 15gb [15:20] 15 by the looks [15:20] yeah [15:21] my laptop is ripping a dvd so was slow firing up a browser logged into google [15:21] "6.18 GB (24%) of 25 GB used" [15:22] more than ten years of email, with lots of filters [15:23] 57% of space used with 2 years of gmail and a few months of kittykam images [15:44] 1.66 GB (6%) of 25 GB used [15:46] can i use a network scanner on linux? like document scanner, not nmap [15:46] another job offer turned down :( [15:46] * zmoylan-pi twitches involuntarily at mention of network scanners [15:47] ali1234: I'm pretty sure my HP8600 works over wifi, but may well depend on which version of Ubuntu you're using, I think there were issues before 14.04 [15:47] but how do i find it and connect to it? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:48] i have a HP M175nw and the printer part works okay [15:49] From what I'm reading, the scanning is supported through the hplip drivers, just try firing up xsane [15:49]