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cmaloneyhttp://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/2ltd53/browserstack_is_shutting_down/04:53
cmaloneyhttps://neurotech.bandcamp.com/ <- jrwren05:10
rick_h_ouch! on browserstack10:10
brouschneurotech is awesome13:00
brouschGiveCamp went really well13:02
brouschWe took the Django-admin based case management system from the previous 2 years and gave it a bootstrap theme, along with other enhancements13:03
rick_h_morning13:27
mrgoodcatmorning to you too13:30
mrgoodcatwow that browserstack email is pretty damning13:32
rick_h_heh, hackers hold no punches13:32
mrgoodcatcongratulations on their sincerity in their apology at least13:32
mrgoodcatany plan9 fans here?14:04
jrwrennope.14:07
cmaloneyGood morning14:16
cmaloneymrgoodcat: I never quite understood Plan 914:16
mrgoodcatok fair enough14:16
cmaloneyit seemed like it might have been good but never seemed to jump to the practical side of the fence14:17
mrgoodcatno it never really did14:17
jrwrenbecause it wasn't good.14:18
cmaloneybrousch: That's awesome.14:18
cmaloneyWell, Unix was nice because it was extremely simple to teach and understand14:19
cmaloneyand was highly practical14:19
cmaloneyPlan 9 seemed like the antithesis of that14:19
cmaloneyhttp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html14:20
cmaloneyThat about page tells me nothing about why I'd want to use it.14:20
cmaloneyAlso the licensing was a bit of a turn-off14:22
cmaloneyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ZELOUIyvw14:24
cmaloneyApparently Plan 9 runs on Raspberry Pi.14:24
jrwrencmaloney: it was academic. The fact that it left academia is telling of its success.14:25
cmaloneyHow so?14:26
jrwrencmaloney: That something designed and built purely for academic reasons had huge success beyond its academic realm.14:35
jrwrencmaloney: other thing which come to mind that full under this category: WWW14:35
jrwrenwhoa!!! only $2014:39
jrwrenhttp://gizmodo.com/the-new-raspberry-pi-smaller-and-somehow-cheaper-1656737992?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow14:39
mrgoodcatthe only reason i brought up plan9 is I stumbled on this and was wondering what the advantages of plan9 are http://www.glendix.org/14:40
jrwrenplan9's primary tenant was "everything is a file" which meant things like hardware and network resources too.14:42
mrgoodcatiirc they also pioneered full-history filesystems too though14:42
jrwrenso I read the first sentence describing that glendix, and I think "it already has the things from plan9 where it makes sense"14:42
mrgoodcatand are the first/one of the first operating systems with full native support for unicode14:43
jrwrenmrgoodcat: did they? I though VMS was older than plan9?14:43
cmaloneyVMS had revisions baked into the filesystem14:44
cmaloneythough it was pretty inelegant.14:44
cmaloneyAnd most folks turned that shit off. :)14:44
jrwrencmaloney: right.14:44
jrwreni'd have thought BeOS had the utf8 support a year earlier :)14:45
cmaloneyI think Plan9 claims a lot of innovations simply because it likely sat on a lab drive for a while. :)14:46
cmaloneyNot sure when it started development14:46
jrwrenguess not. beos is younger than I thought.14:46
jrwrencmaloney: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html14:47
cmaloneyYeah, BeOS was circa Steve Jobs leaving Apple14:47
jrwreni remember looking at it in '96 or '9714:47
cmaloneyand BeOS ended circa Steve Jobs returning to Apple. :)14:47
cmaloneyActually BeOS wasn't as tied to Apple hardware as I remembered.14:48
cmaloneyhttp://hemingwrite.com/ <- This looks pretty cool15:47
cmaloneythough I'm sure it will retail for $WAYTOOMUCH15:47
cmaloneyThough I have a solution for distraction-free writing15:48
cmaloneyhttp://www2.purplecow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wordperfect-51-dos.png15:48
brouschI cannot write without the Internet to look stuff up15:53
cmaloneyFunny thing is it looks to me like the old Tandy Model 10015:57
cmaloneyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_10015:57
cmaloneyWhich was a work-horse computer15:58
cmaloneyI have the NEC model of it.15:58
mrgoodcati'm back17:42
mrgoodcattrying out weechat for a bit17:42
cmaloneyI like Weechat17:42
cmaloneyit's my favorite client so far17:42
mrgoodcati've been using irssi since i started using irc17:43
mrgoodcatbut i've found a lot of the plugins i was using for irssi are just duplicating weechat functionality17:43
akellingWeechat is nice17:44
cmaloneyyeah, pretty much17:44
akellingInstall buffers plugin17:44
akelling /script17:44
cmaloneyweechat is irssi with a little more thought to the user interface17:44
mrgoodcatyea i got buffers17:44
cmaloneythough their insistance on using their syntax for configuration can be a little maddening17:45
akellingagreed on there syntax usage.17:45
* cmaloney is listening to BloodHunter - Dying Sun17:48
cmaloneyheh. I have a last.fm command. :)17:48
mrgoodcatdo you really?17:48
mrgoodcatin weechat?17:48
cmaloneyIt's a plugin17:48
mrgoodcatwhat plugin?17:48
cmaloneylastfm17:49
mrgoodcatyea found it17:49
mrgoodcatstupid question17:49
cmaloneyI also recommend the screen_away plugin17:49
cmaloneyno worries17:49
mrgoodcati use tmux17:49
cmaloneyIT'll work wiith that as well17:49
mrgoodcatok17:50
akellingThere is a tux away also. I just installed that the other day.17:50
cmaloneyReally? Not seeing that17:51
jrwrenwhat does that do?17:51
mrgoodcatgrr... shared servers are the worst17:52
cmaloneyThe screen one checks to see if screen / tmux is displaying and if not it will mark you as away17:52
akellingcorreection it is called screen_away17:52
cmaloneyYeah, that's the one I'm using17:52
jrwrenmrgoodcat: what is wrong with shared servers?17:53
cmaloneyjrwren: When someone using a shared mysql server proverbially shits the bed with their crappy forum software that makes life on a shared server hellish.17:55
jrwrenah, a poorly configured shared server.17:56
jrwrenshared server 101: no slow queries allowed :)17:56
cmaloneyI haven't run into one where it's not a problem.17:56
jrwrencmaloney: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=17417:57
cmaloneyGenerally when someone spams a forum it's not slow queries that are a problem but the sheer number of inserts.17:57
jrwrenand http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=13017:58
jrwrenand http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=12617:58
jrwrenbut those are in reverse order.17:58
cmaloneyNow to get those backported to A2hosting. ;)17:58
jrwrencmaloney: :(17:58
cmaloneyThough they are improving substantially17:59
cmaloneyI think it's harder for folks to traverse directories17:59
jrwrencmaloney: almost exactly what you describe: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=23517:59
cmaloneyThat's great, though it provides no solution. :)18:01
jrwrencmaloney: i know. I'm not sure if they ever submitted any of that as open source.18:06
jrwrencmaloney: their actions on that led me to like AGPL more. :)18:07
cmaloneyYep. I regard companies that hold bug fixes back in the hopes of a competitive advantage to be pretty douchey.18:08
mrgoodcatjrwren: trying to use the lastfm plugin in weechat. it uses feedparser. feedparser is not installed as a system package. i don't have sudo to install it systemwide18:31
cmaloneyI think you can use virtualenv with weechat18:31
mrgoodcati think so too18:31
mrgoodcatbut i'm annoyed that i have to figure out how18:32
jrwrenmrgoodcat: virtualenv --system-site-packages to save the day18:32
cmaloneysave for weechat isn't Python-based18:32
cmaloneyso you'd have to run the plugins in a virtualenv18:32
mrgoodcatyea that18:34
brouschDamn this Thinkpad 8 tablet is nice. 8" 1920x1080 dual core 1.46GHz atom 2GB RAM19:24
brousch1920x1200 actually19:25
jrwrenrunning windows 8.1?19:32
brouschYeah19:40
brouschRunning normal windows on here feels like it's less locked down than Android19:41
brouschI can install whatever I want, have all of my chrome extensions19:41
mrgoodcatwell it would feel that way, since android is pretty locked19:43
brouschI could install visual studio/PyCharm and develop on the device for the device with a big ole IDE19:43
mrgoodcatwell good luck with that on 2GB ram19:44
brouschHm, using 68% of RAM with all my usual chrome tabs open19:45
jrwrendoesn't windows 8.1 use less memory than windows 7?19:53
brouschSure seems like it19:54
cmaloneyWindows 8.1 uses only 6 bits instead of 8 bits to conserve memory usage20:12
cmaloneyThat's like 35% more bits for you to use.20:12
cmaloney(yes I'm making shit up)20:13
mrgoodcatRAM usage being high isn't nessecarily a sign of a problem20:13
mrgoodcatgood caching should actually make use of unused RAM20:13
brouschBeing flash storage, swapping isn't quite as painful20:14
cmaloneymrgoodcat: I remember having to disabuse someone of (back in windows 95 / 98) that putting 4GB of memory in their machine meant it wouldn't swap, ever.20:14
mrgoodcatlol20:14
cmaloneyAlso: Android is horribly locked down. I blame the phone carriers for being idiots.20:14
mrgoodcati blame everyone involved20:15
cmaloneyI'd like to think Google would want to make something a little more open20:15
mrgoodcatGoogle, carriers, manufacturers, senators, lobbyists, their families, friends, and goddamn pets20:15
cmaloneybut maybe that's misguided20:15
cmaloneyDamn you Fido for insisting the boot loader on my phone needs to be locked down.20:16
cmaloneyNo milkbone for you.20:16
mrgoodcatAOSP is actually pretty good20:16
mrgoodcatthe problem is that google play services are all closed20:16
cmaloneyYeah, pretty much anything to do with commerce is closed.20:17
brouschSo the conundrum I have right now is that Windows tablets give me the most freedom right now.20:17
brouschIt hurts20:17
cmaloneyI guess they don't want someone sniffing credit card numbers or hacking faux transactions20:17
mrgoodcatyou know what hurts?20:17
mrgoodcatyour double usage of "right now"20:17
cmaloneywow20:18
brousch:P20:18
cmaloneymrgoodcat: He wanted to elaborate that right now this was a problem right now. :)20:18
cmaloneybrousch: Wait for the Ubuntu Tablets20:19
brouschI hope it gets Van Halen stuck in your head20:19
cmaloneyThat'll give you so much freedom you'll need a bucket to hold it20:19
brouschI've been waiting 2 years!20:19
jrwrenmrgoodcat: that isn't what i meant with 8.1 using less memory.20:19
brouschHm, a local guy runs owncloud on Dreamhost. This is very interesting. http://wiki.dreamhost.com/OwnCloud21:03
rick_h_https://jujucharms.com/owncloud/ :P21:04
cmaloney"Please be aware that by using this software, you may be violating our policies. Please make sure you review our Acceptable Use Policy (Personal Backups)"21:04
cmaloneyThat's awesome.21:04
brouschWell you need to use their other type of storage21:05
brousch"dream objects"21:05
brouschrick_h_: But this means no server for me to admin21:05
brouschAnd piggy-backs on the $10/mo I already pay dreamhost for the other random stuff I have there21:06
rick_h_oh well21:06
cmaloneyOwnCloud is pretty interesting to me. But  not sure I'd run it on a web-hosting platform.21:07
* cmaloney is pretty paranoid about exposing services to the open internet21:07
cmaloneySSH is about it21:07
cmaloney(well, and Wordpress)21:08
jrwrenhahahaha.21:08
cmaloneyAnd SMTP21:08
jrwrenif you have wordpress exposed to open internet then you aren't paranoid enough :]21:08
cmaloneyjrwren: I'll admit it.21:08
cmaloneyI've been looking at alternatives21:09
brouschDjango!21:09
cmaloneyProblem is converting all of my old blog posts is a PITA21:09
brouschyes21:10
cmaloneybrousch: Does Django have Wordpress import? :-P21:10
cmaloneyIs it Web Scale?21:10
brouschit is web scale!21:10
brouschhttp://django-blog-zinnia.readthedocs.org/en/v0.9/import_export.html21:11
brouschApparently at least 1 django-based blogging platform has import from wordpress21:11
brouschactually quite a few of them do21:12
jrwrenhttps://github.com/SchumacherFM/wordpress-to-hugo-exporter21:13
brouschHm, this thinkpad 8 had a strange power connector. It's like micro-usb+21:14
brouschhttp://www.amazon.com/IVSO-Levovo-Thinkpad-tablet-Lenovo/dp/B00JBD7KPA21:15
cmaloneyjrwren: There's an import for Pelican as well, but the RST that it generates has issues21:15
cmaloneyRST doesn't like wrapping links.21:16
mrgoodcati used to use jekyll so i didn't have to expose wordpress externally21:23
mrgoodcatnow i use mdwiki21:23
mrgoodcatstatic sites ftw21:23
brouschYeah, I should really move to a static blogging platform. I rarely post and use disqus for comments21:30
mrgoodcati had disqus21:31
mrgoodcatbut i removed it21:31
brouschoooh, I moved up to 28 kyu21:31
cmaloneyI forgot that pseudophedrine pretty much knocks me out22:04
cmaloneyhave been taking the Meijer allergy-relief (Allegra OTC) stuff which makes me pissed off and moody22:05

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