cmaloney | http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/2ltd53/browserstack_is_shutting_down/ | 04:53 |
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cmaloney | https://neurotech.bandcamp.com/ <- jrwren | 05:10 |
rick_h_ | ouch! on browserstack | 10:10 |
brousch | neurotech is awesome | 13:00 |
brousch | GiveCamp went really well | 13:02 |
brousch | We took the Django-admin based case management system from the previous 2 years and gave it a bootstrap theme, along with other enhancements | 13:03 |
rick_h_ | morning | 13:27 |
mrgoodcat | morning to you too | 13:30 |
mrgoodcat | wow that browserstack email is pretty damning | 13:32 |
rick_h_ | heh, hackers hold no punches | 13:32 |
mrgoodcat | congratulations on their sincerity in their apology at least | 13:32 |
mrgoodcat | any plan9 fans here? | 14:04 |
jrwren | nope. | 14:07 |
cmaloney | Good morning | 14:16 |
cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I never quite understood Plan 9 | 14:16 |
mrgoodcat | ok fair enough | 14:16 |
cmaloney | it seemed like it might have been good but never seemed to jump to the practical side of the fence | 14:17 |
mrgoodcat | no it never really did | 14:17 |
jrwren | because it wasn't good. | 14:18 |
cmaloney | brousch: That's awesome. | 14:18 |
cmaloney | Well, Unix was nice because it was extremely simple to teach and understand | 14:19 |
cmaloney | and was highly practical | 14:19 |
cmaloney | Plan 9 seemed like the antithesis of that | 14:19 |
cmaloney | http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html | 14:20 |
cmaloney | That about page tells me nothing about why I'd want to use it. | 14:20 |
cmaloney | Also the licensing was a bit of a turn-off | 14:22 |
cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ZELOUIyvw | 14:24 |
cmaloney | Apparently Plan 9 runs on Raspberry Pi. | 14:24 |
jrwren | cmaloney: it was academic. The fact that it left academia is telling of its success. | 14:25 |
cmaloney | How so? | 14:26 |
jrwren | cmaloney: That something designed and built purely for academic reasons had huge success beyond its academic realm. | 14:35 |
jrwren | cmaloney: other thing which come to mind that full under this category: WWW | 14:35 |
jrwren | whoa!!! only $20 | 14:39 |
jrwren | http://gizmodo.com/the-new-raspberry-pi-smaller-and-somehow-cheaper-1656737992?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow | 14:39 |
mrgoodcat | the only reason i brought up plan9 is I stumbled on this and was wondering what the advantages of plan9 are http://www.glendix.org/ | 14:40 |
jrwren | plan9's primary tenant was "everything is a file" which meant things like hardware and network resources too. | 14:42 |
mrgoodcat | iirc they also pioneered full-history filesystems too though | 14:42 |
jrwren | so I read the first sentence describing that glendix, and I think "it already has the things from plan9 where it makes sense" | 14:42 |
mrgoodcat | and are the first/one of the first operating systems with full native support for unicode | 14:43 |
jrwren | mrgoodcat: did they? I though VMS was older than plan9? | 14:43 |
cmaloney | VMS had revisions baked into the filesystem | 14:44 |
cmaloney | though it was pretty inelegant. | 14:44 |
cmaloney | And most folks turned that shit off. :) | 14:44 |
jrwren | cmaloney: right. | 14:44 |
jrwren | i'd have thought BeOS had the utf8 support a year earlier :) | 14:45 |
cmaloney | I think Plan9 claims a lot of innovations simply because it likely sat on a lab drive for a while. :) | 14:46 |
cmaloney | Not sure when it started development | 14:46 |
jrwren | guess not. beos is younger than I thought. | 14:46 |
jrwren | cmaloney: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html | 14:47 |
cmaloney | Yeah, BeOS was circa Steve Jobs leaving Apple | 14:47 |
jrwren | i remember looking at it in '96 or '97 | 14:47 |
cmaloney | and BeOS ended circa Steve Jobs returning to Apple. :) | 14:47 |
cmaloney | Actually BeOS wasn't as tied to Apple hardware as I remembered. | 14:48 |
cmaloney | http://hemingwrite.com/ <- This looks pretty cool | 15:47 |
cmaloney | though I'm sure it will retail for $WAYTOOMUCH | 15:47 |
cmaloney | Though I have a solution for distraction-free writing | 15:48 |
cmaloney | http://www2.purplecow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wordperfect-51-dos.png | 15:48 |
brousch | I cannot write without the Internet to look stuff up | 15:53 |
cmaloney | Funny thing is it looks to me like the old Tandy Model 100 | 15:57 |
cmaloney | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100 | 15:57 |
cmaloney | Which was a work-horse computer | 15:58 |
cmaloney | I have the NEC model of it. | 15:58 |
mrgoodcat | i'm back | 17:42 |
mrgoodcat | trying out weechat for a bit | 17:42 |
cmaloney | I like Weechat | 17:42 |
cmaloney | it's my favorite client so far | 17:42 |
mrgoodcat | i've been using irssi since i started using irc | 17:43 |
mrgoodcat | but i've found a lot of the plugins i was using for irssi are just duplicating weechat functionality | 17:43 |
akelling | Weechat is nice | 17:44 |
cmaloney | yeah, pretty much | 17:44 |
akelling | Install buffers plugin | 17:44 |
akelling | /script | 17:44 |
cmaloney | weechat is irssi with a little more thought to the user interface | 17:44 |
mrgoodcat | yea i got buffers | 17:44 |
cmaloney | though their insistance on using their syntax for configuration can be a little maddening | 17:45 |
akelling | agreed on there syntax usage. | 17:45 |
* cmaloney is listening to BloodHunter - Dying Sun | 17:48 | |
cmaloney | heh. I have a last.fm command. :) | 17:48 |
mrgoodcat | do you really? | 17:48 |
mrgoodcat | in weechat? | 17:48 |
cmaloney | It's a plugin | 17:48 |
mrgoodcat | what plugin? | 17:48 |
cmaloney | lastfm | 17:49 |
mrgoodcat | yea found it | 17:49 |
mrgoodcat | stupid question | 17:49 |
cmaloney | I also recommend the screen_away plugin | 17:49 |
cmaloney | no worries | 17:49 |
mrgoodcat | i use tmux | 17:49 |
cmaloney | IT'll work wiith that as well | 17:49 |
mrgoodcat | ok | 17:50 |
akelling | There is a tux away also. I just installed that the other day. | 17:50 |
cmaloney | Really? Not seeing that | 17:51 |
jrwren | what does that do? | 17:51 |
mrgoodcat | grr... shared servers are the worst | 17:52 |
cmaloney | The screen one checks to see if screen / tmux is displaying and if not it will mark you as away | 17:52 |
akelling | correection it is called screen_away | 17:52 |
cmaloney | Yeah, that's the one I'm using | 17:52 |
jrwren | mrgoodcat: what is wrong with shared servers? | 17:53 |
cmaloney | jrwren: When someone using a shared mysql server proverbially shits the bed with their crappy forum software that makes life on a shared server hellish. | 17:55 |
jrwren | ah, a poorly configured shared server. | 17:56 |
jrwren | shared server 101: no slow queries allowed :) | 17:56 |
cmaloney | I haven't run into one where it's not a problem. | 17:56 |
jrwren | cmaloney: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=174 | 17:57 |
cmaloney | Generally when someone spams a forum it's not slow queries that are a problem but the sheer number of inserts. | 17:57 |
jrwren | and http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=130 | 17:58 |
jrwren | and http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=126 | 17:58 |
jrwren | but those are in reverse order. | 17:58 |
cmaloney | Now to get those backported to A2hosting. ;) | 17:58 |
jrwren | cmaloney: :( | 17:58 |
cmaloney | Though they are improving substantially | 17:59 |
cmaloney | I think it's harder for folks to traverse directories | 17:59 |
jrwren | cmaloney: almost exactly what you describe: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=235 | 17:59 |
cmaloney | That's great, though it provides no solution. :) | 18:01 |
jrwren | cmaloney: i know. I'm not sure if they ever submitted any of that as open source. | 18:06 |
jrwren | cmaloney: their actions on that led me to like AGPL more. :) | 18:07 |
cmaloney | Yep. I regard companies that hold bug fixes back in the hopes of a competitive advantage to be pretty douchey. | 18:08 |
mrgoodcat | jrwren: trying to use the lastfm plugin in weechat. it uses feedparser. feedparser is not installed as a system package. i don't have sudo to install it systemwide | 18:31 |
cmaloney | I think you can use virtualenv with weechat | 18:31 |
mrgoodcat | i think so too | 18:31 |
mrgoodcat | but i'm annoyed that i have to figure out how | 18:32 |
jrwren | mrgoodcat: virtualenv --system-site-packages to save the day | 18:32 |
cmaloney | save for weechat isn't Python-based | 18:32 |
cmaloney | so you'd have to run the plugins in a virtualenv | 18:32 |
mrgoodcat | yea that | 18:34 |
brousch | Damn this Thinkpad 8 tablet is nice. 8" 1920x1080 dual core 1.46GHz atom 2GB RAM | 19:24 |
brousch | 1920x1200 actually | 19:25 |
jrwren | running windows 8.1? | 19:32 |
brousch | Yeah | 19:40 |
brousch | Running normal windows on here feels like it's less locked down than Android | 19:41 |
brousch | I can install whatever I want, have all of my chrome extensions | 19:41 |
mrgoodcat | well it would feel that way, since android is pretty locked | 19:43 |
brousch | I could install visual studio/PyCharm and develop on the device for the device with a big ole IDE | 19:43 |
mrgoodcat | well good luck with that on 2GB ram | 19:44 |
brousch | Hm, using 68% of RAM with all my usual chrome tabs open | 19:45 |
jrwren | doesn't windows 8.1 use less memory than windows 7? | 19:53 |
brousch | Sure seems like it | 19:54 |
cmaloney | Windows 8.1 uses only 6 bits instead of 8 bits to conserve memory usage | 20:12 |
cmaloney | That's like 35% more bits for you to use. | 20:12 |
cmaloney | (yes I'm making shit up) | 20:13 |
mrgoodcat | RAM usage being high isn't nessecarily a sign of a problem | 20:13 |
mrgoodcat | good caching should actually make use of unused RAM | 20:13 |
brousch | Being flash storage, swapping isn't quite as painful | 20:14 |
cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I remember having to disabuse someone of (back in windows 95 / 98) that putting 4GB of memory in their machine meant it wouldn't swap, ever. | 20:14 |
mrgoodcat | lol | 20:14 |
cmaloney | Also: Android is horribly locked down. I blame the phone carriers for being idiots. | 20:14 |
mrgoodcat | i blame everyone involved | 20:15 |
cmaloney | I'd like to think Google would want to make something a little more open | 20:15 |
mrgoodcat | Google, carriers, manufacturers, senators, lobbyists, their families, friends, and goddamn pets | 20:15 |
cmaloney | but maybe that's misguided | 20:15 |
cmaloney | Damn you Fido for insisting the boot loader on my phone needs to be locked down. | 20:16 |
cmaloney | No milkbone for you. | 20:16 |
mrgoodcat | AOSP is actually pretty good | 20:16 |
mrgoodcat | the problem is that google play services are all closed | 20:16 |
cmaloney | Yeah, pretty much anything to do with commerce is closed. | 20:17 |
brousch | So the conundrum I have right now is that Windows tablets give me the most freedom right now. | 20:17 |
brousch | It hurts | 20:17 |
cmaloney | I guess they don't want someone sniffing credit card numbers or hacking faux transactions | 20:17 |
mrgoodcat | you know what hurts? | 20:17 |
mrgoodcat | your double usage of "right now" | 20:17 |
cmaloney | wow | 20:18 |
brousch | :P | 20:18 |
cmaloney | mrgoodcat: He wanted to elaborate that right now this was a problem right now. :) | 20:18 |
cmaloney | brousch: Wait for the Ubuntu Tablets | 20:19 |
brousch | I hope it gets Van Halen stuck in your head | 20:19 |
cmaloney | That'll give you so much freedom you'll need a bucket to hold it | 20:19 |
brousch | I've been waiting 2 years! | 20:19 |
jrwren | mrgoodcat: that isn't what i meant with 8.1 using less memory. | 20:19 |
brousch | Hm, a local guy runs owncloud on Dreamhost. This is very interesting. http://wiki.dreamhost.com/OwnCloud | 21:03 |
rick_h_ | https://jujucharms.com/owncloud/ :P | 21:04 |
cmaloney | "Please be aware that by using this software, you may be violating our policies. Please make sure you review our Acceptable Use Policy (Personal Backups)" | 21:04 |
cmaloney | That's awesome. | 21:04 |
brousch | Well you need to use their other type of storage | 21:05 |
brousch | "dream objects" | 21:05 |
brousch | rick_h_: But this means no server for me to admin | 21:05 |
brousch | And piggy-backs on the $10/mo I already pay dreamhost for the other random stuff I have there | 21:06 |
rick_h_ | oh well | 21:06 |
cmaloney | OwnCloud is pretty interesting to me. But not sure I'd run it on a web-hosting platform. | 21:07 |
* cmaloney is pretty paranoid about exposing services to the open internet | 21:07 | |
cmaloney | SSH is about it | 21:07 |
cmaloney | (well, and Wordpress) | 21:08 |
jrwren | hahahaha. | 21:08 |
cmaloney | And SMTP | 21:08 |
jrwren | if you have wordpress exposed to open internet then you aren't paranoid enough :] | 21:08 |
cmaloney | jrwren: I'll admit it. | 21:08 |
cmaloney | I've been looking at alternatives | 21:09 |
brousch | Django! | 21:09 |
cmaloney | Problem is converting all of my old blog posts is a PITA | 21:09 |
brousch | yes | 21:10 |
cmaloney | brousch: Does Django have Wordpress import? :-P | 21:10 |
cmaloney | Is it Web Scale? | 21:10 |
brousch | it is web scale! | 21:10 |
brousch | http://django-blog-zinnia.readthedocs.org/en/v0.9/import_export.html | 21:11 |
brousch | Apparently at least 1 django-based blogging platform has import from wordpress | 21:11 |
brousch | actually quite a few of them do | 21:12 |
jrwren | https://github.com/SchumacherFM/wordpress-to-hugo-exporter | 21:13 |
brousch | Hm, this thinkpad 8 had a strange power connector. It's like micro-usb+ | 21:14 |
brousch | http://www.amazon.com/IVSO-Levovo-Thinkpad-tablet-Lenovo/dp/B00JBD7KPA | 21:15 |
cmaloney | jrwren: There's an import for Pelican as well, but the RST that it generates has issues | 21:15 |
cmaloney | RST doesn't like wrapping links. | 21:16 |
mrgoodcat | i used to use jekyll so i didn't have to expose wordpress externally | 21:23 |
mrgoodcat | now i use mdwiki | 21:23 |
mrgoodcat | static sites ftw | 21:23 |
brousch | Yeah, I should really move to a static blogging platform. I rarely post and use disqus for comments | 21:30 |
mrgoodcat | i had disqus | 21:31 |
mrgoodcat | but i removed it | 21:31 |
brousch | oooh, I moved up to 28 kyu | 21:31 |
cmaloney | I forgot that pseudophedrine pretty much knocks me out | 22:04 |
cmaloney | have been taking the Meijer allergy-relief (Allegra OTC) stuff which makes me pissed off and moody | 22:05 |
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