[04:53] <cmaloney> http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/2ltd53/browserstack_is_shutting_down/
[05:10] <cmaloney> https://neurotech.bandcamp.com/ <- jrwren
[10:10] <rick_h_> ouch! on browserstack
[13:00] <brousch> neurotech is awesome
[13:02] <brousch> GiveCamp went really well
[13:03] <brousch> We took the Django-admin based case management system from the previous 2 years and gave it a bootstrap theme, along with other enhancements
[13:27] <rick_h_> morning
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> morning to you too
[13:32] <mrgoodcat> wow that browserstack email is pretty damning
[13:32] <rick_h_> heh, hackers hold no punches
[13:32] <mrgoodcat> congratulations on their sincerity in their apology at least
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> any plan9 fans here?
[14:07] <jrwren> nope.
[14:16] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:16] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I never quite understood Plan 9
[14:16] <mrgoodcat> ok fair enough
[14:17] <cmaloney> it seemed like it might have been good but never seemed to jump to the practical side of the fence
[14:17] <mrgoodcat> no it never really did
[14:18] <jrwren> because it wasn't good.
[14:18] <cmaloney> brousch: That's awesome.
[14:19] <cmaloney> Well, Unix was nice because it was extremely simple to teach and understand
[14:19] <cmaloney> and was highly practical
[14:19] <cmaloney> Plan 9 seemed like the antithesis of that
[14:20] <cmaloney> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html
[14:20] <cmaloney> That about page tells me nothing about why I'd want to use it.
[14:22] <cmaloney> Also the licensing was a bit of a turn-off
[14:24] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ZELOUIyvw
[14:24] <cmaloney> Apparently Plan 9 runs on Raspberry Pi.
[14:25] <jrwren> cmaloney: it was academic. The fact that it left academia is telling of its success.
[14:26] <cmaloney> How so?
[14:35] <jrwren> cmaloney: That something designed and built purely for academic reasons had huge success beyond its academic realm.
[14:35] <jrwren> cmaloney: other thing which come to mind that full under this category: WWW
[14:39] <jrwren> whoa!!! only $20
[14:39] <jrwren> http://gizmodo.com/the-new-raspberry-pi-smaller-and-somehow-cheaper-1656737992?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
[14:40] <mrgoodcat> the only reason i brought up plan9 is I stumbled on this and was wondering what the advantages of plan9 are http://www.glendix.org/
[14:42] <jrwren> plan9's primary tenant was "everything is a file" which meant things like hardware and network resources too.
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> iirc they also pioneered full-history filesystems too though
[14:42] <jrwren> so I read the first sentence describing that glendix, and I think "it already has the things from plan9 where it makes sense"
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> and are the first/one of the first operating systems with full native support for unicode
[14:43] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: did they? I though VMS was older than plan9?
[14:44] <cmaloney> VMS had revisions baked into the filesystem
[14:44] <cmaloney> though it was pretty inelegant.
[14:44] <cmaloney> And most folks turned that shit off. :)
[14:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: right.
[14:45] <jrwren> i'd have thought BeOS had the utf8 support a year earlier :)
[14:46] <cmaloney> I think Plan9 claims a lot of innovations simply because it likely sat on a lab drive for a while. :)
[14:46] <cmaloney> Not sure when it started development
[14:46] <jrwren> guess not. beos is younger than I thought.
[14:47] <jrwren> cmaloney: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html
[14:47] <cmaloney> Yeah, BeOS was circa Steve Jobs leaving Apple
[14:47] <jrwren> i remember looking at it in '96 or '97
[14:47] <cmaloney> and BeOS ended circa Steve Jobs returning to Apple. :)
[14:48] <cmaloney> Actually BeOS wasn't as tied to Apple hardware as I remembered.
[15:47] <cmaloney> http://hemingwrite.com/ <- This looks pretty cool
[15:47] <cmaloney> though I'm sure it will retail for $WAYTOOMUCH
[15:48] <cmaloney> Though I have a solution for distraction-free writing
[15:48] <cmaloney> http://www2.purplecow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wordperfect-51-dos.png
[15:53] <brousch> I cannot write without the Internet to look stuff up
[15:57] <cmaloney> Funny thing is it looks to me like the old Tandy Model 100
[15:57] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100
[15:58] <cmaloney> Which was a work-horse computer
[15:58] <cmaloney> I have the NEC model of it.
[17:42] <mrgoodcat> i'm back
[17:42] <mrgoodcat> trying out weechat for a bit
[17:42] <cmaloney> I like Weechat
[17:42] <cmaloney> it's my favorite client so far
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> i've been using irssi since i started using irc
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> but i've found a lot of the plugins i was using for irssi are just duplicating weechat functionality
[17:44] <akelling> Weechat is nice
[17:44] <cmaloney> yeah, pretty much
[17:44] <akelling> Install buffers plugin
[17:44] <akelling>  /script
[17:44] <cmaloney> weechat is irssi with a little more thought to the user interface
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> yea i got buffers
[17:45] <cmaloney> though their insistance on using their syntax for configuration can be a little maddening
[17:45] <akelling> agreed on there syntax usage.
[17:48]  * cmaloney is listening to BloodHunter - Dying Sun
[17:48] <cmaloney> heh. I have a last.fm command. :)
[17:48] <mrgoodcat> do you really?
[17:48] <mrgoodcat> in weechat?
[17:48] <cmaloney> It's a plugin
[17:48] <mrgoodcat> what plugin?
[17:49] <cmaloney> lastfm
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> yea found it
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> stupid question
[17:49] <cmaloney> I also recommend the screen_away plugin
[17:49] <cmaloney> no worries
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> i use tmux
[17:49] <cmaloney> IT'll work wiith that as well
[17:50] <mrgoodcat> ok
[17:50] <akelling> There is a tux away also. I just installed that the other day.
[17:51] <cmaloney> Really? Not seeing that
[17:51] <jrwren> what does that do?
[17:52] <mrgoodcat> grr... shared servers are the worst
[17:52] <cmaloney> The screen one checks to see if screen / tmux is displaying and if not it will mark you as away
[17:52] <akelling> correection it is called screen_away
[17:52] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's the one I'm using
[17:53] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: what is wrong with shared servers?
[17:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: When someone using a shared mysql server proverbially shits the bed with their crappy forum software that makes life on a shared server hellish.
[17:56] <jrwren> ah, a poorly configured shared server.
[17:56] <jrwren> shared server 101: no slow queries allowed :)
[17:56] <cmaloney> I haven't run into one where it's not a problem.
[17:57] <jrwren> cmaloney: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=174
[17:57] <cmaloney> Generally when someone spams a forum it's not slow queries that are a problem but the sheer number of inserts.
[17:58] <jrwren> and http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=130
[17:58] <jrwren> and http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=126
[17:58] <jrwren> but those are in reverse order.
[17:58] <cmaloney> Now to get those backported to A2hosting. ;)
[17:58] <jrwren> cmaloney: :(
[17:59] <cmaloney> Though they are improving substantially
[17:59] <cmaloney> I think it's harder for folks to traverse directories
[17:59] <jrwren> cmaloney: almost exactly what you describe: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=235
[18:01] <cmaloney> That's great, though it provides no solution. :)
[18:06] <jrwren> cmaloney: i know. I'm not sure if they ever submitted any of that as open source.
[18:07] <jrwren> cmaloney: their actions on that led me to like AGPL more. :)
[18:08] <cmaloney> Yep. I regard companies that hold bug fixes back in the hopes of a competitive advantage to be pretty douchey.
[18:31] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: trying to use the lastfm plugin in weechat. it uses feedparser. feedparser is not installed as a system package. i don't have sudo to install it systemwide
[18:31] <cmaloney> I think you can use virtualenv with weechat
[18:31] <mrgoodcat> i think so too
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> but i'm annoyed that i have to figure out how
[18:32] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: virtualenv --system-site-packages to save the day
[18:32] <cmaloney> save for weechat isn't Python-based
[18:32] <cmaloney> so you'd have to run the plugins in a virtualenv
[18:34] <mrgoodcat> yea that
[19:24] <brousch> Damn this Thinkpad 8 tablet is nice. 8" 1920x1080 dual core 1.46GHz atom 2GB RAM
[19:25] <brousch> 1920x1200 actually
[19:32] <jrwren> running windows 8.1?
[19:40] <brousch> Yeah
[19:41] <brousch> Running normal windows on here feels like it's less locked down than Android
[19:41] <brousch> I can install whatever I want, have all of my chrome extensions
[19:43] <mrgoodcat> well it would feel that way, since android is pretty locked
[19:43] <brousch> I could install visual studio/PyCharm and develop on the device for the device with a big ole IDE
[19:44] <mrgoodcat> well good luck with that on 2GB ram
[19:45] <brousch> Hm, using 68% of RAM with all my usual chrome tabs open
[19:53] <jrwren> doesn't windows 8.1 use less memory than windows 7?
[19:54] <brousch> Sure seems like it
[20:12] <cmaloney> Windows 8.1 uses only 6 bits instead of 8 bits to conserve memory usage
[20:12] <cmaloney> That's like 35% more bits for you to use.
[20:13] <cmaloney> (yes I'm making shit up)
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> RAM usage being high isn't nessecarily a sign of a problem
[20:13] <mrgoodcat> good caching should actually make use of unused RAM
[20:14] <brousch> Being flash storage, swapping isn't quite as painful
[20:14] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I remember having to disabuse someone of (back in windows 95 / 98) that putting 4GB of memory in their machine meant it wouldn't swap, ever.
[20:14] <mrgoodcat> lol
[20:14] <cmaloney> Also: Android is horribly locked down. I blame the phone carriers for being idiots.
[20:15] <mrgoodcat> i blame everyone involved
[20:15] <cmaloney> I'd like to think Google would want to make something a little more open
[20:15] <mrgoodcat> Google, carriers, manufacturers, senators, lobbyists, their families, friends, and goddamn pets
[20:15] <cmaloney> but maybe that's misguided
[20:16] <cmaloney> Damn you Fido for insisting the boot loader on my phone needs to be locked down.
[20:16] <cmaloney> No milkbone for you.
[20:16] <mrgoodcat> AOSP is actually pretty good
[20:16] <mrgoodcat> the problem is that google play services are all closed
[20:17] <cmaloney> Yeah, pretty much anything to do with commerce is closed.
[20:17] <brousch> So the conundrum I have right now is that Windows tablets give me the most freedom right now.
[20:17] <brousch> It hurts
[20:17] <cmaloney> I guess they don't want someone sniffing credit card numbers or hacking faux transactions
[20:17] <mrgoodcat> you know what hurts?
[20:17] <mrgoodcat> your double usage of "right now"
[20:18] <cmaloney> wow
[20:18] <brousch> :P
[20:18] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: He wanted to elaborate that right now this was a problem right now. :)
[20:19] <cmaloney> brousch: Wait for the Ubuntu Tablets
[20:19] <brousch> I hope it gets Van Halen stuck in your head
[20:19] <cmaloney> That'll give you so much freedom you'll need a bucket to hold it
[20:19] <brousch> I've been waiting 2 years!
[20:19] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: that isn't what i meant with 8.1 using less memory.
[21:03] <brousch> Hm, a local guy runs owncloud on Dreamhost. This is very interesting. http://wiki.dreamhost.com/OwnCloud
[21:04] <rick_h_> https://jujucharms.com/owncloud/ :P
[21:04] <cmaloney> "Please be aware that by using this software, you may be violating our policies. Please make sure you review our Acceptable Use Policy (Personal Backups)"
[21:04] <cmaloney> That's awesome.
[21:05] <brousch> Well you need to use their other type of storage
[21:05] <brousch> "dream objects"
[21:05] <brousch> rick_h_: But this means no server for me to admin
[21:06] <brousch> And piggy-backs on the $10/mo I already pay dreamhost for the other random stuff I have there
[21:06] <rick_h_> oh well
[21:07] <cmaloney> OwnCloud is pretty interesting to me. But  not sure I'd run it on a web-hosting platform.
[21:07]  * cmaloney is pretty paranoid about exposing services to the open internet
[21:07] <cmaloney> SSH is about it
[21:08] <cmaloney> (well, and Wordpress)
[21:08] <jrwren> hahahaha.
[21:08] <cmaloney> And SMTP
[21:08] <jrwren> if you have wordpress exposed to open internet then you aren't paranoid enough :]
[21:08] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'll admit it.
[21:09] <cmaloney> I've been looking at alternatives
[21:09] <brousch> Django!
[21:09] <cmaloney> Problem is converting all of my old blog posts is a PITA
[21:10] <brousch> yes
[21:10] <cmaloney> brousch: Does Django have Wordpress import? :-P
[21:10] <cmaloney> Is it Web Scale?
[21:10] <brousch> it is web scale!
[21:11] <brousch> http://django-blog-zinnia.readthedocs.org/en/v0.9/import_export.html
[21:11] <brousch> Apparently at least 1 django-based blogging platform has import from wordpress
[21:12] <brousch> actually quite a few of them do
[21:13] <jrwren> https://github.com/SchumacherFM/wordpress-to-hugo-exporter
[21:14] <brousch> Hm, this thinkpad 8 had a strange power connector. It's like micro-usb+
[21:15] <brousch> http://www.amazon.com/IVSO-Levovo-Thinkpad-tablet-Lenovo/dp/B00JBD7KPA
[21:15] <cmaloney> jrwren: There's an import for Pelican as well, but the RST that it generates has issues
[21:16] <cmaloney> RST doesn't like wrapping links.
[21:23] <mrgoodcat> i used to use jekyll so i didn't have to expose wordpress externally
[21:23] <mrgoodcat> now i use mdwiki
[21:23] <mrgoodcat> static sites ftw
[21:30] <brousch> Yeah, I should really move to a static blogging platform. I rarely post and use disqus for comments
[21:31] <mrgoodcat> i had disqus
[21:31] <mrgoodcat> but i removed it
[21:31] <brousch> oooh, I moved up to 28 kyu
[22:04] <cmaloney> I forgot that pseudophedrine pretty much knocks me out
[22:05] <cmaloney> have been taking the Meijer allergy-relief (Allegra OTC) stuff which makes me pissed off and moody