[04:53] http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/2ltd53/browserstack_is_shutting_down/ [05:10] https://neurotech.bandcamp.com/ <- jrwren [10:10] ouch! on browserstack [13:00] neurotech is awesome [13:02] GiveCamp went really well [13:03] We took the Django-admin based case management system from the previous 2 years and gave it a bootstrap theme, along with other enhancements [13:27] morning [13:30] morning to you too [13:32] wow that browserstack email is pretty damning [13:32] heh, hackers hold no punches [13:32] congratulations on their sincerity in their apology at least [14:04] any plan9 fans here? [14:07] nope. [14:16] Good morning [14:16] mrgoodcat: I never quite understood Plan 9 [14:16] ok fair enough [14:17] it seemed like it might have been good but never seemed to jump to the practical side of the fence [14:17] no it never really did [14:18] because it wasn't good. [14:18] brousch: That's awesome. [14:19] Well, Unix was nice because it was extremely simple to teach and understand [14:19] and was highly practical [14:19] Plan 9 seemed like the antithesis of that [14:20] http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html [14:20] That about page tells me nothing about why I'd want to use it. [14:22] Also the licensing was a bit of a turn-off [14:24] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ZELOUIyvw [14:24] Apparently Plan 9 runs on Raspberry Pi. [14:25] cmaloney: it was academic. The fact that it left academia is telling of its success. [14:26] How so? [14:35] cmaloney: That something designed and built purely for academic reasons had huge success beyond its academic realm. [14:35] cmaloney: other thing which come to mind that full under this category: WWW [14:39] whoa!!! only $20 [14:39] http://gizmodo.com/the-new-raspberry-pi-smaller-and-somehow-cheaper-1656737992?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow [14:40] the only reason i brought up plan9 is I stumbled on this and was wondering what the advantages of plan9 are http://www.glendix.org/ [14:42] plan9's primary tenant was "everything is a file" which meant things like hardware and network resources too. [14:42] iirc they also pioneered full-history filesystems too though [14:42] so I read the first sentence describing that glendix, and I think "it already has the things from plan9 where it makes sense" [14:43] and are the first/one of the first operating systems with full native support for unicode [14:43] mrgoodcat: did they? I though VMS was older than plan9? [14:44] VMS had revisions baked into the filesystem [14:44] though it was pretty inelegant. [14:44] And most folks turned that shit off. :) [14:44] cmaloney: right. [14:45] i'd have thought BeOS had the utf8 support a year earlier :) [14:46] I think Plan9 claims a lot of innovations simply because it likely sat on a lab drive for a while. :) [14:46] Not sure when it started development [14:46] guess not. beos is younger than I thought. [14:47] cmaloney: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/about.html [14:47] Yeah, BeOS was circa Steve Jobs leaving Apple [14:47] i remember looking at it in '96 or '97 [14:47] and BeOS ended circa Steve Jobs returning to Apple. :) [14:48] Actually BeOS wasn't as tied to Apple hardware as I remembered. [15:47] http://hemingwrite.com/ <- This looks pretty cool [15:47] though I'm sure it will retail for $WAYTOOMUCH [15:48] Though I have a solution for distraction-free writing [15:48] http://www2.purplecow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wordperfect-51-dos.png [15:53] I cannot write without the Internet to look stuff up [15:57] Funny thing is it looks to me like the old Tandy Model 100 [15:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100 [15:58] Which was a work-horse computer [15:58] I have the NEC model of it. [17:42] i'm back [17:42] trying out weechat for a bit [17:42] I like Weechat [17:42] it's my favorite client so far [17:43] i've been using irssi since i started using irc [17:43] but i've found a lot of the plugins i was using for irssi are just duplicating weechat functionality [17:44] Weechat is nice [17:44] yeah, pretty much [17:44] Install buffers plugin [17:44] /script [17:44] weechat is irssi with a little more thought to the user interface [17:44] yea i got buffers [17:45] though their insistance on using their syntax for configuration can be a little maddening [17:45] agreed on there syntax usage. [17:48] * cmaloney is listening to BloodHunter - Dying Sun [17:48] heh. I have a last.fm command. :) [17:48] do you really? [17:48] in weechat? [17:48] It's a plugin [17:48] what plugin? [17:49] lastfm [17:49] yea found it [17:49] stupid question [17:49] I also recommend the screen_away plugin [17:49] no worries [17:49] i use tmux [17:49] IT'll work wiith that as well [17:50] ok [17:50] There is a tux away also. I just installed that the other day. [17:51] Really? Not seeing that [17:51] what does that do? [17:52] grr... shared servers are the worst [17:52] The screen one checks to see if screen / tmux is displaying and if not it will mark you as away [17:52] correection it is called screen_away [17:52] Yeah, that's the one I'm using [17:53] mrgoodcat: what is wrong with shared servers? [17:55] jrwren: When someone using a shared mysql server proverbially shits the bed with their crappy forum software that makes life on a shared server hellish. [17:56] ah, a poorly configured shared server. [17:56] shared server 101: no slow queries allowed :) [17:56] I haven't run into one where it's not a problem. [17:57] cmaloney: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=174 [17:57] Generally when someone spams a forum it's not slow queries that are a problem but the sheer number of inserts. [17:58] and http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=130 [17:58] and http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=126 [17:58] but those are in reverse order. [17:58] Now to get those backported to A2hosting. ;) [17:58] cmaloney: :( [17:59] Though they are improving substantially [17:59] I think it's harder for folks to traverse directories [17:59] cmaloney: almost exactly what you describe: http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=235 [18:01] That's great, though it provides no solution. :) [18:06] cmaloney: i know. I'm not sure if they ever submitted any of that as open source. [18:07] cmaloney: their actions on that led me to like AGPL more. :) [18:08] Yep. I regard companies that hold bug fixes back in the hopes of a competitive advantage to be pretty douchey. [18:31] jrwren: trying to use the lastfm plugin in weechat. it uses feedparser. feedparser is not installed as a system package. i don't have sudo to install it systemwide [18:31] I think you can use virtualenv with weechat [18:31] i think so too [18:32] but i'm annoyed that i have to figure out how [18:32] mrgoodcat: virtualenv --system-site-packages to save the day [18:32] save for weechat isn't Python-based [18:32] so you'd have to run the plugins in a virtualenv [18:34] yea that [19:24] Damn this Thinkpad 8 tablet is nice. 8" 1920x1080 dual core 1.46GHz atom 2GB RAM [19:25] 1920x1200 actually [19:32] running windows 8.1? [19:40] Yeah [19:41] Running normal windows on here feels like it's less locked down than Android [19:41] I can install whatever I want, have all of my chrome extensions [19:43] well it would feel that way, since android is pretty locked [19:43] I could install visual studio/PyCharm and develop on the device for the device with a big ole IDE [19:44] well good luck with that on 2GB ram [19:45] Hm, using 68% of RAM with all my usual chrome tabs open [19:53] doesn't windows 8.1 use less memory than windows 7? [19:54] Sure seems like it [20:12] Windows 8.1 uses only 6 bits instead of 8 bits to conserve memory usage [20:12] That's like 35% more bits for you to use. [20:13] (yes I'm making shit up) [20:13] RAM usage being high isn't nessecarily a sign of a problem [20:13] good caching should actually make use of unused RAM [20:14] Being flash storage, swapping isn't quite as painful [20:14] mrgoodcat: I remember having to disabuse someone of (back in windows 95 / 98) that putting 4GB of memory in their machine meant it wouldn't swap, ever. [20:14] lol [20:14] Also: Android is horribly locked down. I blame the phone carriers for being idiots. [20:15] i blame everyone involved [20:15] I'd like to think Google would want to make something a little more open [20:15] Google, carriers, manufacturers, senators, lobbyists, their families, friends, and goddamn pets [20:15] but maybe that's misguided [20:16] Damn you Fido for insisting the boot loader on my phone needs to be locked down. [20:16] No milkbone for you. [20:16] AOSP is actually pretty good [20:16] the problem is that google play services are all closed [20:17] Yeah, pretty much anything to do with commerce is closed. [20:17] So the conundrum I have right now is that Windows tablets give me the most freedom right now. [20:17] It hurts [20:17] I guess they don't want someone sniffing credit card numbers or hacking faux transactions [20:17] you know what hurts? [20:17] your double usage of "right now" [20:18] wow [20:18] :P [20:18] mrgoodcat: He wanted to elaborate that right now this was a problem right now. :) [20:19] brousch: Wait for the Ubuntu Tablets [20:19] I hope it gets Van Halen stuck in your head [20:19] That'll give you so much freedom you'll need a bucket to hold it [20:19] I've been waiting 2 years! [20:19] mrgoodcat: that isn't what i meant with 8.1 using less memory. [21:03] Hm, a local guy runs owncloud on Dreamhost. This is very interesting. http://wiki.dreamhost.com/OwnCloud [21:04] https://jujucharms.com/owncloud/ :P [21:04] "Please be aware that by using this software, you may be violating our policies. Please make sure you review our Acceptable Use Policy (Personal Backups)" [21:04] That's awesome. [21:05] Well you need to use their other type of storage [21:05] "dream objects" [21:05] rick_h_: But this means no server for me to admin [21:06] And piggy-backs on the $10/mo I already pay dreamhost for the other random stuff I have there [21:06] oh well [21:07] OwnCloud is pretty interesting to me. But not sure I'd run it on a web-hosting platform. [21:07] * cmaloney is pretty paranoid about exposing services to the open internet [21:07] SSH is about it [21:08] (well, and Wordpress) [21:08] hahahaha. [21:08] And SMTP [21:08] if you have wordpress exposed to open internet then you aren't paranoid enough :] [21:08] jrwren: I'll admit it. [21:09] I've been looking at alternatives [21:09] Django! [21:09] Problem is converting all of my old blog posts is a PITA [21:10] yes [21:10] brousch: Does Django have Wordpress import? :-P [21:10] Is it Web Scale? [21:10] it is web scale! [21:11] http://django-blog-zinnia.readthedocs.org/en/v0.9/import_export.html [21:11] Apparently at least 1 django-based blogging platform has import from wordpress [21:12] actually quite a few of them do [21:13] https://github.com/SchumacherFM/wordpress-to-hugo-exporter [21:14] Hm, this thinkpad 8 had a strange power connector. It's like micro-usb+ [21:15] http://www.amazon.com/IVSO-Levovo-Thinkpad-tablet-Lenovo/dp/B00JBD7KPA [21:15] jrwren: There's an import for Pelican as well, but the RST that it generates has issues [21:16] RST doesn't like wrapping links. [21:23] i used to use jekyll so i didn't have to expose wordpress externally [21:23] now i use mdwiki [21:23] static sites ftw [21:30] Yeah, I should really move to a static blogging platform. I rarely post and use disqus for comments [21:31] i had disqus [21:31] but i removed it [21:31] oooh, I moved up to 28 kyu [22:04] I forgot that pseudophedrine pretty much knocks me out [22:05] have been taking the Meijer allergy-relief (Allegra OTC) stuff which makes me pissed off and moody