[05:49] <pitti> Good morning
[06:08] <larsu> good morning pitti!
[06:14] <pitti> hey larsu, how are you?
[06:20] <larsu> pitti: good thanks! A bit tired :)
[06:20] <larsu> and you?
[06:22] <pitti> larsu: heh, same
[07:40] <mvo> Laney: I updated meta-release-development now
[07:41] <pitti> hey mvo, guten Morgen
[07:42] <mvo> hey pitti, guten morgen
[07:42] <pitti> Package: perl
[07:42] <pitti> Priority: optional
[07:42] <pitti> mvo: ^ all good now?
[07:42] <mvo> \o/
[07:42] <mvo> yeah, I already noticed in the system-image buildlog, really great
[07:42] <mvo> thanks a bunch!
[07:43] <pitti> mvo: heh, no worries -- you fixed i-s-h :)
[07:47] <mvo> :)
[08:29] <willcooke> morning all
[08:29] <willcooke> lots of public hols today
[08:37] <larsu> morning. Germany doesn't have a public holiday today
[08:38] <larsu> (in response to your mail)
[08:40] <willcooke> this lie to me: http://www.holidays-info.com/Holidays-Germany/2014/holidays_2014.html
[08:40] <willcooke> oh, I see it's not a "legal holiday"
[09:02] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:05] <Laney> what's the haps
[09:05] <willcooke> whole load of peeps being on holiday
[09:05] <willcooke> except Germany who are not
[09:05] <Laney> who is? france?
[09:06] <willcooke> France, Canada, US
[09:06] <Laney> I see
[09:06] <Laney> not me, no sir
[09:31] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:31] <pitti> hey willcooke
[09:31] <pitti> oh, that explains a lot
[09:31] <willcooke> morning pitti
[09:31] <Laney> hey pitti, what's up?
[09:38] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:40] <larsu> hi seb128!
[09:43] <seb128> hey larsu ;-)
[09:43] <OrokuSaki> Anyone use 14.04 Desktop or 14.10 on Arm?
[09:43] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:44] <OrokuSaki> I cannot get gnome-flashback (metacity) to run.. And I do not have 3D Acceleration
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: j'ai croié que tu as une fête aujourd'hui ?
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: ooh -- pas dans Hollande, je suppose ?
[09:44] <OrokuSaki> I recompiled mesa.. still no go... I was getting a LibGL error
[09:44] <OrokuSaki> Anyone run 14.04 on arm with fbdev (x11)?
[09:45] <seb128> pitti, salut, oui mais je suis rentré en France ce w.e et j'ai fait la route jeudi, donc je rattrape un peu du travail aujourd'hui en échange
[09:46] <seb128> OrokuSaki, hey, I don't think any of us does that no
[09:46] <OrokuSaki> Well.. if you get bored... I think it is broken
[09:46] <OrokuSaki> I ran 13.10 just fine.. but 14.04 seems to have issues without 3d acceleration
[09:46] <pitti> seb128: ah, pour visiter tes parents ?
[09:47] <OrokuSaki> thanks!
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, oui
[09:47] <OrokuSaki> yeah... Fedora 21 works out of the box with freedreno.... Though I like Ubuntu's Onscreen Keyboard
[09:47] <OrokuSaki> Hmmmm
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, et en Allemagne vous ne fetez pas le 11 novembre ?
[09:48] <OrokuSaki> Guess I could run onboard with Fedora... give that a try
[09:48] <seb128> or you could try e.g xubuntu
[09:49] <larsu> seb128: we do (in some parts), but it's not an official holiday
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: non, mais nous mangeons beaucoup de beignets !
[09:49] <OrokuSaki> Hmmm Oh yeah... Xubuntu.. thanks
[09:49] <OrokuSaki> =)
[09:49] <OrokuSaki> Wayland.... I think I might do that
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: j'encore dois les acheter :)
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: (carnaval commence aujourd'hui)
[09:53] <seb128> miam
[09:53] <seb128> j'aime les beignets ;-)
[09:54] <Laney> "miam" is "yum"?
[09:55]  * Laney likes that
[09:59] <seb128> Laney, yes ;-)
[11:50] <willcooke> curse you Google Talk plugin
[11:52] <davmor2> willcooke: it works fine, your just holding it wrong ;)
[11:52] <davmor2> you're even
[11:58] <willcooke> oooohh
[11:58] <willcooke> I expect Chromium has updated
[11:58]  * willcooke restarts his browser
[11:58] <willcooke> (s)
[11:59] <willcooke> aahhhhhhh
[11:59] <willcooke> it's all gone blue
[12:00] <willcooke> hummmm
[12:00] <willcooke> looks like "use gtk+" theme suddenly became selected for no reason
[12:00] <willcooke> qengho, ^^^
[12:01] <willcooke> qengho, might be nothing
[12:01] <Laney> larsu: want to help with a GtkStyleContext question/issue?
[12:01] <willcooke> but fyi
[12:01] <Laney> :)
[12:38] <larsu> Laney: sure
[12:38]  * larsu was at lunch
[12:38] <Laney> larsu: oops, sorry, mostly contextless, got distracted :P
[12:38] <Laney> GT 3.14 doesn't get the background from the theme properly
[12:39] <Laney> ...or the foreground
[12:39] <Laney> if I paste the TerminalScreen {} CSS into the inspector (yay), then it does pick it up
[12:39] <Laney> do you have any idea what that could be?
[12:41] <larsu> what TerminalScreen css?
[12:41] <Laney> in the theme
[12:41] <Laney> sets the default colours
[12:41] <qengho> willcooke: hrm. what's blue? the tab bar?
[12:41] <larsu> Laney: ah, setting TerminalScreen from the theme doesn't work?
[12:41]  * larsu is still unsure what Laney means
[12:42] <Laney> right
[12:42] <larsu> do you have it in its own css file?
[12:42] <Laney> I didn't change the theme
[12:42] <larsu> is that included from gtk-main.css?
[12:42] <Laney> it works in 3.12
[12:42] <larsu> oh, I see
[12:42]  * larsu has a look
[12:42] <Laney> I guess if you build gnome-terminal 3.14 you should see it
[12:43] <Laney> if not I could put debs somewhere
[12:43] <larsu> that would make my life easier :)
[12:43] <Laney> kay
[12:44] <larsu> ugh, gnome-terminal.css is a mess :-/
[12:46] <willcooke> qengho, yeah - looks like it reverted to Gtk themes for one of my profiles, it's all ok now
[12:46] <Laney> larsu: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard/
[12:46] <larsu> thnks!
[12:48] <qengho> willcooke: I haven't seen it, and I'd like to understand. Okay how? Did you have to do anything to make it okay?
[12:49] <willcooke> qengho, I ran the upgrade this morning, but I still had Chromium open.  Upgrade finished, did some stuff, Gtalk plugin crashed, figured I should restart browser anyway, did that
[12:50] <willcooke> qengho, then when it opened I had a blue header to the window.  I went in to settings and clicked Use Classic Theme
[12:50] <willcooke> qengho, and then everything was back to normal
[12:51] <qengho> Hrmpf. Weird.
[12:51] <larsu> Laney: now my terminal doesn't work anymore :(
[12:51] <Laney> "doesn't work"!
[12:51] <willcooke> qengho, I think it was just "one of those things"  I'll see if I can recreate it...
[12:51] <larsu> it installed anyway even though vte is not newest version
[12:51] <larsu> and now it crashes on startup
[12:52] <qengho> I don't like those things. Maybe GTK theme update at same time, judging from chatter here?
[12:52] <larsu> tries to activate the org.gnome.Terminal (or similar) on the bus, but that exits with 127
[12:52] <willcooke> qengho, could be, yeah
[12:52] <Laney> it Depends on the vte it needs so I don't understand how that could happen
[12:53] <larsu> me neither :)
[12:53] <larsu> but now I can't seem to get the old version back
[12:53]  * larsu tries specifying it explicitely
[12:54] <Laney> apt-get install gnome-terminal-{,data}/vivid
[12:54] <Laney> erm
[12:54] <Laney> apt-get install gnome-terminal{,-data}/vivid
[12:54] <larsu> ya, that worked
[12:55] <larsu> thanks :)
[12:57] <Laney> it upgraded and launched for me in a vm
[12:57] <Laney> I put "deb http://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard ./" in sources.list and upgraded using apt
[12:58] <larsu> oh that works? I installed the .debs manually
[12:58] <larsu> ugh, now gnome-terminal crashed after trying to find something
[12:59]  * larsu runs an upgrade
[13:10] <larsu> Laney: how do you run the inspector? Shortcuts still don't work for me
[13:11] <larsu> and starting it with GTK_DEBUG=interactive doesn't work either
[13:11] <Laney> larsu: run the gnome-terminal-server with the env var
[13:15] <larsu> Laney: it starts a second instance of that when I open a terminal
[13:15] <larsu> weird, shouldn't it try to get the name?
[13:15] <Laney> um?
[13:15] <Laney> shouldn't do
[13:15] <larsu> ya, shouldn't...
[13:16] <Laney> how can it even do that if the first one has the name?
[13:17] <larsu> I don't know, trying to find out right now
[13:17] <Laney> sorry for all the yak shaving ...
[13:18] <larsu> he, no worries :)
[13:27] <larsu> Laney: the one I start manually doesn't seem to request the name...
[13:27] <larsu> according to d-feet. Not sure if I trust that anymore :)
[13:28] <Laney> certainly does here :/
[13:28] <Laney> it's got quite a fast timeout though, like 10 seconds
[13:28] <larsu> weird. How do you start it?
[13:28] <larsu> I see it time out because the inspector closes
[13:28] <Laney> GTK_DEBUG=interactive /usr/lib/gnome-terminal/gnome-terminal-server
[13:28] <larsu> definitely open a terminal before tht
[13:29] <larsu> and I see two server processes
[13:29] <larsu> and only running the one doesn't make the name appear
[13:29] <larsu> Laney: from a vt?
[13:29] <Laney> terminator
[13:30] <larsu> hm, starting it from xterm works indeed
[13:31] <larsu> I guess the session bus doesn't get picked up correctly from the vt or something
[13:31] <larsu> (I do set DISPLAY=)
[13:31] <larsu> gnome-terminal-server should warn, though
[13:31] <Laney> ah, you probably need DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set
[13:32] <larsu> probably, but I thought setting the display makes it do the right thing
[13:32] <larsu> apparently not :)
[13:37] <larsu> Laney: setting other stuff in gnome-terminal.css has an effect, so it does get sources
[13:37] <larsu> *sourced
[13:37] <larsu> maybe gnome-terminal overrides colors on startup?
[13:37] <larsu> which would be consistent with overriding them (again) in the inspector workds
[13:41] <larsu> brb
[13:41]  * Laney too, lunch
[14:33] <willcooke> got to head out for a bit, bbl
[15:27] <willcooke> back
[16:54] <Laney> pitti: could you push lp:~laney/aptdaemon/ubuntu-vivid to lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-vivid please?
[16:55] <pitti> Laney: done; cheers!
[16:56] <Laney> ty
[16:56] <Laney> now to hunt for more reviews
[16:57] <Laney> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/libpam-freerdp/port/+merge/241309 please review quickly
[16:57] <Laney> that CI is using *precise*?
[16:58] <tedg> Laney, I believe there was a reason originally for that. But I imagine it's gone now.
[16:58] <tedg> dbarth might know.
[16:58] <tedg> I don't think they're supporting it on precise anymore.
[16:58] <tedg> With the new LTS and all.
[16:59] <Laney> well, surely we can make changes in trunk for vivid and re-branch if necessary :)
[16:59] <Laney> xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubiquity/vte2.91/+merge/241310 if you'd be so kind (+ an upload, I'm scared to touch it)
[17:00] <tedg> Laney, Could you look at this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/indicator-applet/libpanel-applet-3.10+/+merge/230851
[17:01] <xnox> Laney: pwww. that looks a bit wrong (e.g. dependencies, i'll fix that)
[17:01] <xnox> Laney: is spawn_sync does a fork and unblock the main thread?
[17:01] <xnox> Laney: we do not want to wait for the tail_cmd to exit.
[17:01] <xnox> because it doesn't.
[17:03] <xnox> Laney: on _sync is because it's a dbus call?!
[17:04] <xnox> right.
[17:11] <Laney> xnox: Not dbus, it means wait for the process to be executed before returning I think
[17:11] <Laney> there's no async API for this any mroe
[17:12] <Laney> tedg: fine by me if mitya57 is happy
[17:13] <Laney> you should add him to the team for -applet reviews ;-)
[17:29] <Laney> tedg: you ok with me training both of these (libpam-freerdp indicator-applet)?
[17:30] <tedg> Laney, Sure, go ahead!
[17:31] <Laney> thanks
[17:57] <mitya57> Laney, tedg: I am happy, yes.
[17:57] <Laney> it is grinding through the machine
[17:57] <mitya57> (though new gnome-panel first needs my gnome-menus change uploaded)
[17:58] <Laney> you'll be able to do a no-change rebuild then
[18:31]  * willcooke -> EOD.. o/
[18:33] <brainwash> attente_: hey, do plan to backport/sru the fix for bug 1307657 to trusty?
[18:35] <brainwash> if no, then you should mark it as won't fix (trusty)
[18:35] <attente_> brainwash: hmm.. don't know what happened there, i guess it just needs someone to sponsor it
[18:38] <brainwash> attente_: it's sru worthy I think
[18:41] <brainwash> attente_: want to prepare the sru paperwork?
[18:42] <attente_> brainwash: sure, thanks for letting me know
[18:42] <brainwash> I guess there is no need to hurry, but it would be nice if the fix lands in trusty at some point :)
[18:42] <brainwash> awesome
[22:51] <ari-tczew> I've proposed a merge of gimp. Would be nice to get it sponsored :-) bug 1366560
[23:12] <ray__> hello. i have questions about navigating between windows of an application. the logic seemed wrong to me, but I am trying to find a way to report this or suggest something so that it would be useful...
[23:13] <ray__> anyone willing to discuss alt-grave behavior vs click on an app icon in the Launcher behavior?