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soahccc | Hey guys, I currently try to find auditing tools and generally I'm struggling to find anything "recent". There is tiger (which last release was in 2008 iirc) and ossec (which is more what I was looking for) but it seems that the community around ossec is dead. Which tools provide similar functionality (centralized logging, processing and action taking) but not require 3 years of learning to get them running? | 01:16 |
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ZorroT | i did the 14.04 upgrade and lost www userdirs. i've followed the instructions on google top hits for ubuntu 14.04 apache2 errors of this sort, and i am still getting 403s on userdir. | 01:21 |
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fridaynext | anyone have a suggestion for a music server to run on Ubuntu 14.04 headless, that will have smart playlists and update playcounts? | 02:08 |
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ZorroT | i did the 14.04 upgrade and lost www userdirs. i've followed the instructions on google top hits for ubuntu 14.04 apache2 errors of this sort, and i am still getting 403s on userdir. | 05:35 |
cryptodan | is userdirs enabled? | 05:36 |
ZorroT | ja | 05:47 |
ZorroT | cryptodan: yes | 05:47 |
cryptodan | any special .htaccess files? | 05:48 |
ZorroT | this is all such, no userdir content is working | 05:48 |
ZorroT | cryptodan: [Mon Nov 10 19:19:08.955340 2014] [authz_core:error] [pid 10645] [client XXXX:42030] AH01630: client denied by server configuration: /home/XXXX/public_html | 05:49 |
cryptodan | looks like you have .htaccess files | 05:49 |
ZorroT | but that is where none exists | 05:49 |
cryptodan | do an ls -la on public_html | 05:50 |
ZorroT | ha | 05:50 |
ZorroT | i think i just figured it out :-) | 05:50 |
cryptodan | .htaccess is a hidden file | 05:51 |
mardraum | ZorroT: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/upgrading.html | 05:51 |
mardraum | if you went from 2.2 to 2.4, read that. | 05:51 |
ZorroT | i had done the various upgrade procedures, grant, etc. | 05:53 |
ZorroT | what i had forgotten was that this server has a non-standard user web directory | 05:53 |
ZorroT | so of course all of the directives referring to public_html won't help :-) | 05:53 |
ZorroT | ID-10-T error. | 05:54 |
cryptodan | non-standard? | 05:54 |
ZorroT | "other than public_html" | 05:55 |
ZorroT | for i changed public_html references in userdir.conf, php5.conf and now everything is humming along happily. | 05:59 |
cryptodan | id recommend keeping the standard way | 06:00 |
ZorroT | cryptodan: i didn't ask, but thanks. | 06:09 |
ZorroT | there are perfectly good reasons that it is the way it is, and apache is amenable to allowing other than default options. | 06:09 |
ZorroT | i thought i remembered explicitly telling the upgrade process to leave the configs alone | 06:11 |
ZorroT | in which case, the normal documentation for the upgrade process would have applied correctly | 06:11 |
ZorroT | this was the upgrade problem plus me overlooking the difference between the defaults and the existing installation's expectations. | 06:12 |
ZorroT | i apologize for bringing that to channel :-) | 06:12 |
cryptodan | It was just a recommendation nothing to insult you | 06:17 |
ZorroT | typically, one doesn't change server defaults for purposes of whimsy. tone doesn't carry well on irc :-) | 06:22 |
ZorroT | also, thank you for your help, cryptodan and mardraum ! | 06:23 |
cryptodan | you are welcome | 06:24 |
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lordievader | Good morning. | 08:17 |
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michele | hi there, what can I use to select the fastest apt mirror? netselect-apt is not in the repos anymore. any ideas? | 10:25 |
Amir2 | What`s the most lightweight GUI for ubuntu server? | 10:46 |
michele | Amir2: xfce/lubuntu | 10:50 |
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delinquentme | about to head in for a devops interview. ask me thangs I should know ! | 14:03 |
malinux | somebody who knows why autocomplete og apt-get install <package> only works when I am not doing so by sudo? | 14:18 |
delinquentme | malinux, i believe its a setting in your profiles . | 14:20 |
delinquentme | ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile | 14:21 |
delinquentme | so if root has the same setting it should work | 14:21 |
delinquentme | root profiles will be in /root/* | 14:21 |
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malinux | delinquentme: hm, det root user don't have a .bashrc | 14:31 |
malinux | it has, I sudo -i to root and it has | 14:31 |
malinux | so I will check ito ut | 14:31 |
malinux | delinquentme: autocomplete works when in root shell, but not when I do the same as sudo | 14:33 |
malinux | I enabled autcomplete in the .bashrc for root | 14:33 |
malinux | by uncommenting the lines | 14:33 |
Kartagis | malinux: enable the bash-completion in /etc/bash.bashrc | 14:41 |
malinux | Kartagis: already done so | 14:41 |
Kartagis | did you source it afterwards? | 14:41 |
malinux | by running: . /etc/bash.bashrc ? | 14:42 |
malinux | yes | 14:42 |
malinux | or shoud I run source /etc/bash.bashrc ? | 14:42 |
malinux | dosen't work either | 14:42 |
malinux | if I try to autocompelte firefox, I get: | 14:44 |
malinux | malin@malin-M15a:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox | 14:44 |
malinux | firefox firefox_29.0+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2.dsc | 14:44 |
malinux | firefox_29.0+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2.debian.tar.gz firefox_29.0+build1.orig.tar.bz2 | 14:44 |
zoraj | hi all | 14:59 |
LinStatSDR | Hellop | 15:00 |
zoraj | I'm actually installing ubuntu server | 15:00 |
zoraj | and after I finish installing it, I will install Xen as hypervisor | 15:00 |
zoraj | my question is, should I install Ubuntu Gnome Desktop or whatever WM ? | 15:01 |
zoraj | I wouldn't do that though | 15:01 |
LinStatSDR | whats wrong with the terminal | 15:01 |
lordievader | zoraj: No WM at all? | 15:02 |
zoraj | well, as I said, I will install Xen, so how Xen will show up Win 7 guest if it's totally in terminal | 15:02 |
zoraj | maybe a silly question ^^ | 15:02 |
LinStatSDR | I was being silly heh | 15:02 |
lordievader | zoraj: Servers rarely have a display attached. The display to VM is usually supplied through VNC or something. | 15:03 |
zoraj | I'd prefer full terminal, but I will gonna install Xen, will it be necessary that at least I install gnome or something like that | 15:03 |
zoraj | lordievader, I know, I am just wondering since it will be a hypervisor dom 0 | 15:04 |
zoraj | it's not a standard server, as it will host fully graphical OS | 15:04 |
zoraj | (Win7, Win 8) | 15:05 |
zoraj | so, my question is, will I have to install gnome or whatever WM, (atm, I am on the package choice screen) | 15:07 |
zoraj | this is my first step with Xen, | 15:08 |
mardraum | have to? no | 15:09 |
malinux | any suggestions? :) | 15:13 |
LinStatSDR | Wait waht | 15:13 |
zoraj | ok, I'm continuing the installation, | 15:16 |
LinStatSDR | You got it. | 15:17 |
malinux | should I consider an reinstall of my entire Ubuntu-install, to get sudo apt-get install to autocomplete correct? | 15:21 |
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lordievader | malinux: What? | 15:33 |
lordievader | malinux: Do you mean to say that you have broken packages? | 15:33 |
malinux | lordievader: no, I say that apt-get install won't autcomplete when I do it as sudo. example: sudo apt-get install <package> it dosen not autcomplete pacakges, but things in /usr/bin and equal | 15:34 |
malinux | not the package-things | 15:34 |
malinux | lordievader: it works if I go to a root-shell or do it as user | 15:35 |
malinux | apt-get install is useless as user | 15:35 |
malinux | and if I have to enter the rootshell to get it work, that's a workaround and not a solution :) | 15:35 |
lordievader | malinux: That is likely due to your shell. | 15:38 |
malinux | lordievader: okey, so what is wrong with it? :) | 15:38 |
malinux | echo $SHELL returns /bin/bash | 15:38 |
lordievader | malinux: Probable the config. | 15:38 |
malinux | lordievader: ok, I can pastebin the .bashrc ? | 15:39 |
malinux | this is my .bashrc: 16:23 < dr0> apt-get install sudo | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:23 < selx> apt-get install dr0 | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:23 < dr0> malinux: neida | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:23 < dr0> :-P | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:25 < selx> malinux: jeg aner ikke. Har ikke hatt så mye problemer med det du driver med... | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:25 < malinux> selx: nei, har debian server og ubuntu desktop | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:25 < malinux> har samme problemet begge steder by the way | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:25 < malinux> dr0: sudo er installert på både debian-serveren og på Ubuntu-desktopen min | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:26 < selx> aha :P | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:26 < RoyK> tror godeste Carlsen sliter litt :P | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:27 < malinux> hører rykter | 15:40 |
malinux | 16:27 < malinux> selx: ja. så vet ikke hva jeg skal gjøre jeg :S [16:27] [malinux(+Zi)] [3:FreeNode/#ubuntu-no-offtopic(+cnt)] [Act: 1,2,4,5,6,8,9,11,14,16,17,18,20,21,22,23,24,28,29,31,35] | 15:40 |
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malinux | [#ubuntu-no-offt] har installert autoco | 15:40 |
malinux | oops sorry | 15:40 |
malinux | oh,. sorry | 15:40 |
malinux | http://paste.ubuntu.com/8942743/ | 15:40 |
malinux | here it is | 15:40 |
zoraj | tack :) | 15:41 |
zoraj | the goddamn grub wont install on mbr | 15:41 |
zoraj | :\ | 15:41 |
zoraj | and a blazing red screen appears as it says, fatal error | 15:41 |
fridaynext | does anyone here use subsonic for music streaming? | 15:41 |
lordievader | malinux: I rarely use bash, so I won't be any help there ;) | 15:43 |
malinux | lordievader: ah | 15:43 |
malinux | what do you use? | 15:44 |
lordievader | ZSH. | 15:44 |
malinux | lordievader: hm, I could try to change to zsh :) | 15:47 |
malinux | lordievader: autcomplete as sudo works there, and the colors of that shell is awesome, Think I just change :) | 15:49 |
RoyK | malinux: works well for me with bash, though | 15:54 |
malinux | RoyK: okey, it dosen't help me a lot :p hm, I am such of a noob that can't even change default shell to zsh | 15:57 |
malinux | and by changing the shell I don't fix the original issue | 15:57 |
malinux | RoyK: it works when you in user prompt, type sudo apt-get install <package> ? | 15:57 |
RoyK | yep | 15:59 |
RoyK | malinux: chsh -s /bin/zsh username | 15:59 |
malinux | did that | 15:59 |
malinux | but when I open a terminal, it opens to bash | 16:00 |
malinux | hm, maybe I forgot to add username | 16:00 |
RoyK | malinux: if you did, then you probably changed root's shell | 16:00 |
malinux | RoyK: why do you think I changed the root's shell? | 16:00 |
malinux | now I did again as user an added my username to user | 16:01 |
malinux | exited the terminal | 16:01 |
malinux | reopenend with ctrl + alt + t | 16:01 |
malinux | it starts a bash-shell | 16:01 |
malinux | bah | 16:01 |
RoyK | malinux: if you were root and ran chsh -s /bin/zfs, that changes the shell for thecurrent user | 16:01 |
malinux | RoyK: ok | 16:01 |
RoyK | malinux: no idea - I'll be back here in an hour or so | 16:01 |
malinux | okey :) | 16:02 |
malinux | RoyK: tried with sudo now, to change, nothing. | 16:02 |
RoyK | malinux: bbl | 16:03 |
malinux | I hate computers, but I can't live without them | 16:03 |
malinux | after a reboot, the shell is now zsh as default. Is the syntax the same as for bash? I have to readd aliases | 16:23 |
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mdeslaur | hallyn: any idea why libvirt ftbfs on vivid? | 16:33 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: libxml2 security update | 16:49 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: if you dpkg -i the previous version it builds | 16:49 |
hallyn | i filed a bug. the response was basically 'you figure out why'. which isn't unreasonable - it may be a mis-use by libvirt | 16:49 |
fandi | hi all, | 16:50 |
fandi | how to start service corosync on ubuntu 14.04 | 16:50 |
fandi | root@db3:/home/fandi# service corosync start | 16:51 |
fandi | there is no answer. thanks | 16:51 |
lordievader | fandi: What does "sudo service corosync status" return? | 16:52 |
fandi | same no return :) | 16:53 |
fandi | how to be manage by upstart | 16:53 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: oh, hrm, where's the bug? | 16:54 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: bug 1390637 | 16:54 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1390637 in libxml2 "newest libxml2 update in vivid breaks libvirt build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390637 | 16:54 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: i'm about to just ask on oftc#virt just to see if anyone knows offhand. | 16:55 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: hrm, haven't look at all, but perhaps this: https://git.gnome.org/browse/libxml2/commit/?id=72a46a519ce7326d9a00f0b6a7f2a8e958cd1675 | 16:58 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: I'll poke at it this afternoon | 16:58 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: oh, good, that one does look promising. excellent, thanks for looking, ping me if you need anything | 16:59 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: although, libxml2 in the stable releases should cause the ftbfs also, so maybe that's not it | 17:00 |
mdeslaur | anyway, I'll poke at it | 17:00 |
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mdeslaur | hallyn: bingo: http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commit;h=8f17d0eaae7ee2fa3e214b79b188fc14ed5aa1eb | 17:25 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: want to give that a try? | 17:25 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: will do, thx | 17:28 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: test-building, but danpb agrees that'll be the fix | 17:32 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: cool | 17:32 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: if it builds, don't upload, I've got security patches to add, so just tell me | 17:32 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: rather, give me your debdiff | 17:33 |
fandi | lordievader, ok done, i thinks i miss ntp | 17:34 |
fandi | lordievader, now it's working | 17:34 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: ok, will do | 17:34 |
lordievader | fandi: Hmm, okay. Good to hear :) | 17:34 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/libvirt.debdiff , gonna do one more test build | 18:11 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: built fine for me too, so uploading with security fixes | 18:29 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: thanks! | 18:29 |
hallyn | mdeslaur: great, thank you! | 18:32 |
pmatulis | hallyn: just read the "containers are better" thread, ha ha | 18:50 |
hallyn | pmatulis: I'm waiting to see how he blows his fuse when he reads my last reply | 18:51 |
pmatulis | hallyn: tbh, it's funny that i always read that sentence the way it was intended but i can easily see others getting confused if ① you do not keep the whole paragraph in mind and ② you're not a native speaker | 18:53 |
hallyn | all right, the color for names of ppl calling out my nick (yellow) is not working for me on white bg :) | 18:53 |
hallyn | neat how you did that _1_ and _2_ | 18:53 |
pmatulis | ;) | 18:53 |
hallyn | but yeah, i agree. the funny thing is, | 18:53 |
hallyn | 1. he won't accep tthat maybe he's missing a subtlety of hte language, and 2. he won't accept that maybe he committed a similar faux pas in several of his emails | 18:54 |
hallyn | but maybe i'm giving him too much credit an dhe really is just an angry troll | 18:54 |
* med_ wonders where the mythical "containers are better" thread lives.... | 18:55 | |
pmatulis | med_: ubuntu-doc m/l | 18:55 |
hallyn | med_: in the end I am in fact not a native english speaker, so i do accept that i make mistakes | 18:57 |
hallyn | but basically i only defer to my wife :) and she agrees with me. so <boom> | 19:00 |
med_ | badabing badaboom | 19:00 |
hallyn | speaking of this, time to check for a response | 19:00 |
med_ | serge, what's your birth language? | 19:00 |
hallyn | English :) | 19:00 |
hallyn | and she's a bit of a stickler with it | 19:01 |
pmatulis | hallyn: how does that make you not a native speaker? | 19:01 |
Valduare | hi guys | 19:04 |
hallyn | med_: oh, *mine*. haha. french, then dutch. whic his funny bc i've forgotten all my french | 19:04 |
Valduare | anyone here know much about vpn | 19:04 |
hallyn | Valduare: go ahead and ask your q. someone her eor in #ubuntu-devel will be able to help, most likely | 19:05 |
Valduare | I have some mk808 devices android sticks i want to have on same network as my ubuntu server | 19:10 |
Valduare | but they are in separate physical locations | 19:10 |
Valduare | so vpn is the way to do that. | 19:10 |
Valduare | looks like there are a lot of different options ie openVPN and tinc | 19:10 |
Valduare | need someone knowledgable to help walk me through this new world of vpn :P | 19:10 |
* hallyn checks the server guide | 19:13 | |
Valduare | wondering what the dif between ipsec and things like openvpn does ssh tuneling? | 19:16 |
hallyn | Valduare: I guess https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/openvpn.html is the place to look | 19:18 |
lordievader | Valduare: The layer at which it happens. Openvpn is application layer. | 19:20 |
patdk-wk | more that just that :) | 19:34 |
patdk-wk | ipsec is strictly a transport thing, it is limited, and that limitation causes people problems (mtu) | 19:34 |
patdk-wk | openvpn works around the mtu issue, so it's normally *easier* to setup and use, but it has it's own built in routing and is not a *standard* thing, so compatability issues can exist | 19:35 |
Valduare | with openVPN i need their app for android or ios or mac or windows to connect to it though | 19:36 |
Valduare | but these devices have built in vpn connectors for other types of vpn servers? | 19:36 |
Valduare | or do I just not worry about going with the built in route and use openVPN | 19:37 |
patdk-wk | how do you expect us to answer that? | 19:37 |
patdk-wk | we are not you | 19:37 |
patdk-wk | going the builtin support is normally better | 19:38 |
patdk-wk | but if you know nothing about ipsec | 19:38 |
patdk-wk | I really would not recommend going down that path | 19:38 |
patdk-wk | unless you REALLY want to learn it | 19:38 |
lordievader | IPsec is good for headaches... | 19:38 |
lordievader | Especially if you are new to it ;) | 19:39 |
teward | ^ that | 19:39 |
Valduare | so then tinc vs openVPN? | 19:39 |
soren | Valduare: openvpn is a point to point sort of thing. tinc is more of a mesh sort of thing. | 20:05 |
Valduare | ah | 20:06 |
Valduare | so openVPN might be whaat im looking for then | 20:06 |
Valduare | i have a webserver app that I want it to see these mk808 android devices as local | 20:06 |
qman__ | If you're trying to connect android devices, ipsec is going to be the most practical way; it is a pain, but openvpn requires hacking your rom to install last I checked | 20:11 |
Valduare | hmm ok | 20:18 |
njalk | qman__: openVPN runs fine on my android, stock fw | 20:33 |
qman__ | None of my android devices have openvpn support, and the app requires installing libraries manually to add it | 20:34 |
qman__ | Not just root | 20:35 |
njalk | hmmm worked out of the box with the openvpn app here | 20:35 |
Valduare | so is openvpn something i’d install on my web server that i want the android devices to connect to | 20:36 |
Valduare | or would i setup a second virtual machien thats dedicated openvpn appliance | 20:36 |
qman__ | Generally you'd want a separate server | 20:36 |
njalk | i've got a pi set up as my openvpn server | 20:37 |
qman__ | Another vm is fine | 20:37 |
qman__ | It doesn't hurt to try it, but in my experience, openvpn on android is generally a no-go | 20:37 |
Valduare | I use a separate vm with smoothwall express 3 as a virtual router to hold my public ip address and then an internal nic for the vm’s under it | 20:37 |
qman__ | That was my main motivation to set up ipsec over l2tp | 20:38 |
Valduare | so then one of the vm’s under it is the web server app | 20:38 |
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keithzg | qman__: Huh, I've never had issues with OpenVPN on Android. | 20:45 |
* keithzg literally uses it daily, on a variety of (Nexus or Motorola) Android devices. | 20:46 | |
qman__ | I have a variety of samsung and htc devices, and it has never worked with stock fw or cyanogenmod | 20:48 |
njalk | works fine with my galaxy note 3 and macbook air | 20:48 |
njalk | never had any issues | 20:49 |
qman__ | I actually haven't tried on cm11 yet though | 20:49 |
keithzg | qman__: which Android client have you been trying to use? The older one that's still out there definitely was flaky for me. | 20:49 |
Aison | is there a ppa with samba 4.1.13? | 20:50 |
keithzg | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.openvpn.openvpn is the one that's worked fine for me. | 20:50 |
qman__ | The point, though, is that ipsec / l2tp has native support on all androids, ipads, and windows | 20:50 |
keithzg | Well . . . fair enough I guess. OpenVPN has been super-easy for me for setup (hell, at home my router even has it built in) and if your version of Android is from the last 2 years or so you definitely don't need root. | 20:51 |
qman__ | Never used that one | 20:51 |
keithzg | It's just an app you install, you copy over your certs and .ovpn config file and you're done. | 20:52 |
qman__ | Ah, no tap support, wouldn't work on my setup anyway, but good to know it exists and has some level of support | 20:54 |
zoraj | only one tiny step from succefull new installation | 20:59 |
zoraj | :\ | 20:59 |
zoraj | it wont install grub | 20:59 |
zoraj | wth ! | 20:59 |
zoraj | Lilo isn't an option since it seems Xen doesnt work with Lilo | 21:00 |
lordievader | zoraj: It won't install grub... Could you be more descriptive? | 21:03 |
zoraj | it says "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda" | 21:04 |
lordievader | zoraj: Gui installer or manually? | 21:04 |
zoraj | I have a hd RAID 0 | 21:04 |
zoraj | no gui | 21:04 |
zoraj | terminal ftw | 21:05 |
zoraj | I think I messed up with partition, what I chosed is Use entire hd and LVM | 21:05 |
lordievader | zoraj: Perhaps it is usefull to have a /boot. | 21:06 |
zoraj | what else should I have ? | 21:06 |
zoraj | what are the mandatory ? | 21:06 |
bekks | zoraj: / is mandatory, everything else can be omitted. | 21:07 |
zoraj | so you are saying, better to manually create the partition | 21:07 |
zoraj | coz as I said, I chosed "Use entire disk" | 21:07 |
zoraj | I got / partition | 21:07 |
bekks | zoraj: No one said that manually createing partitions is "better". | 21:07 |
lordievader | It has been my experience that grub + lvm directy to be a drag. | 21:08 |
qman__ | Sounds like you might be using fakeraid; if you are, don't | 21:08 |
zoraj | fakeraid ?? | 21:08 |
zoraj | I'm installing it on a Dell PowerEdge with 4 HD in RAID 0 | 21:09 |
qman__ | "Hardware" raid controllers that aren't actually hardware raid controllers, such as onboard ones | 21:09 |
qman__ | Linux software raid is in all ways superior to fakeraid, so there's no reason to use it | 21:10 |
zoraj | I am convinced that it's all about how I partionned the whole HD, but I dunno where | 21:11 |
zoraj | second time I install it this evening, and always stucked on grub | 21:12 |
qman__ | Linux software raid and a decent HBA is superior to most low and mid range real hardware raid too, you have to spend good money to do better and even then you trade a lot of versatility for a performance edge | 21:15 |
zoraj | well, sound like too advanced for me for now, all I need is setting up my ubuntu server up and running | 21:16 |
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hallyn | mdeslaur: now are you pushing any libvirt updates for t or u? | 22:35 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: I did this afternoon | 22:36 |
mdeslaur | hallyn: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2404-1/ | 22:36 |
hallyn | cool, thanks | 22:37 |
hallyn | shoulda looke dmore closely at the changelog date | 22:37 |
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Bilge | How do you stop a service from running at boot if all you can access is the file system? | 23:47 |
cryptodan | what do you mean? | 23:48 |
Bilge | Exactly what I said | 23:49 |
cryptodan | its rather confusing "when you can only access the file system" what does that mean? | 23:52 |
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