[00:08] the whole net neutrality thing in the US at the moment - what a load of morons! [00:08] the constitution probably could be interpreted to dictate that all internet traffic in the US be neutrally treated [00:09] all men are created equal and all that jazz [00:10] gotta love this one: https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/531834493922189313 [00:10] because obamacare is obviously bad [00:22] he's not far off though [00:28] 'obamacare' is obviously bad. they took a concept that, on the face of it, seems perfectly sensible. and then shoe-horned it into their existing dsyfunction [00:29] they didn't actually fix the dysfunction, just tried to force everyone to participate in it [00:30] my worry with net neutrality is that they'll do the same. they'll label it a utility so that it earns 'common carrier' status [00:30] and in the process it'll become elligible for all the existing ways the govt gets to interfere with utilities [00:32] they have a track record of taking "the right idea" and finding the worst possible implementation. so even when they sound like they're catching on, I still worry [00:45] shauno: Things like the no traffic shaping, seems like a bad idea if it means they can't prioritize things like low latency traffic over bulk === xnox_ is now known as xnox === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [06:24] hey [07:51] morning all [07:53] morning [07:53] another nightmare night MooDoo ;p [07:53] ive just moved country doing same thing [07:53] map: why what's going on? [07:54] drinking and smoking:( [07:54] i smoked when i was out in UK [07:54] now its so cheap im smoking 20 a day [07:54] well stop it :) [07:55] easier said than done [07:56] im worried drinking and smokiing will kill me [07:56] i came here to get away from it all [07:56] but as usual i cant [07:56] e-cig? [07:57] never tried [07:57] i wasnt smoking so much before [07:57] but its so cheap here [07:57] i was smoking like 10 on nights oiut [07:57] now im back to my old ways 20 a day [07:59] maybe try ecig or something, then again i've never smoked so what do I know [08:00] i smoked for 12 years [08:00] then quit [08:00] smoked a bit on and off in stoke [08:00] now im smoking everyday in gib [08:45] ugh [08:45] not looking forward to my flight home [08:46] gotta get from Heathrow -> Kensington === MooDoo is now known as Guest24176 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:31] Good morning all; happy Origami Day! \o/ [09:33] i fold and go home [09:35] zmoylan-pi, ba-dum, tsch! [09:35] tip your waitress, try the veal [09:38] zmoylan-pi, I prefer my waitresses upright, thanks. ;) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [10:06] * davmor2 fold JamesTait into an envelope and sends him to south africa, cheapest flight you'll ever have ;) [10:06] Good morning peeps :) [10:08] morning bigcalm [10:08] pip pip [10:08] hey popey :) [10:08] Oh, hey there lornajane :) [10:08] Yo! [10:09] * popey is using gnuplot for the first time [10:09] Ho ho and a bottle of rum [10:09] bigcalm: don't look now, I'm completely reinstalling my laptop before I start my new job :) [10:09] heh [10:09] Ha# [10:09] new distro or just flushing the chaff? [10:09] davmor2, warmer there, too. ;) [10:09] lornajane: as long as you have virtual box and vagrant working, it doesn't matter what you're running :) [10:10] zmoylan-pi: new hard drive. This currently has a spindle disk in it that's been giving me errors for months, and it's running 13.10 [10:10] A working system does help though [10:10] so, big new SSD, from-scratch ubuntu install <-- the plan [10:10] A good plan that should just work (TM) [10:10] bigcalm: yeah this one is working but has been neglected. The ubuntu release cycle fits absolutely horribly against conference seasons [10:11] using linux has given me a new problem. with windows no install lasted more than 6 months, with linux i have systems that have been upgraded but not wiped for a few years. odd things have been tested and forgotten on them which can make them behave /oddly/ :-) [10:11] JamesTait: And you know people there, I was sending you there to be evil it was a nice thing I was doing :) [10:11] davmor2, you're just a big softie, really. :-P [10:11] I'm currently copying the windows partitions over to the new disks, they're the thing I'm most worried about [10:11] hopefully plan means that the backups are both fresh and tested... [10:12] zmoylan-pi: yep [10:12] lornajane: new job = new contract or new permie thing? [10:12] (if you dont mind me asking) [10:12] popey: part time, permanent, remote. I'll be working with bigcalm at siftware from Monday [10:12] Oh! [10:12] about 3 days a week though, to fit in some other training/consulting and community stuff [10:12] Congrats and commiserations! [10:13] this machine hasn't been from-scratch reinstalled in about 18 months and it's always nightmarish just for the sheer volume of toolchains that I have [10:14] I love being polyglot but I'm not right excited about getting it all working again :) [10:14] morning boys and girls. [10:17] popey: some how I feel involved in the commiserations bit [10:17] haha [10:17] Hi brobostigon [10:17] i kid [10:17] :P [10:18] hi bigcalm [10:19] bigcalm: I am confident we can all survive this. You will probably want to kill me at some point but luckily it's a remote company ;) [10:19] \o/ [10:20] we need a deity of distro installs to make offerings too... [10:22] lornajane: I'm going to be in the office 2-3 days a week. Hopefully see you there occasionally. As I have a standing desk at home, it's going to feel lazy to be back in an office chair there though [10:22] dig a hole in floor... :-p [10:23] bigcalm: I expect to be in the office approximately monthly so will definitely see you [10:24] Nice [10:30] * popey glares at gnuplot [10:30] plot "/tmp/tmp.h64nvRQ5QM" using 1:2 [10:30] "/tmp/tmp.cREQfnSCeg", line 13: Bad format character [10:30] what is wrong with that plot line? [10:32] expecting something after the /' [10:32] expecting something after the /'s [10:32] ? [10:32] * popey fiddles some more [10:33] https://twitter.com/sprmtt/status/532118829741408256/photo/1 - oh customers! [10:34] Bwuhaha [10:37] * popey makes notes not to let SuperMatt near his boxes [10:38] hey, I covered everything that's not common knowledge [10:41] Looking at devices connected to my router, I can see a device that doesn't have a host name (it's just "?"). Going to the allocated IP address I get the "Apache2 Debian Default Page" page. I can't find a Debian VM running on any of my machines. How might I track this one down? [10:42] emp? :-) [10:42] nmap and see what else is there, sometimes it'll list an os [10:42] nmap, see what ports are open and try and connect [10:42] :D [10:43] Oh dear [10:43] I just SSHd to the IP address. It's my laptop connecting on wifi as well as eth0 [10:43] Grr [10:43] heh [10:44] or... your alternate universe self connecting to your network to see waht you're up to :-) [10:44] * bigcalm disables wifi [10:46] I have absolutely no idea what's on our network, don't think I could even draw the wired topology accurately [10:46] this is what happens when you marry your sysadmin [11:06] lornajane: morning [11:06] hi czajkowski [11:06] I know my server room downstairs in the basement is well a a pile of cables everywhere. downside to geek men who like gadgets and aren't tidy [11:06] lornajane: nice blog post this morning you mentioned [11:07] the don't be a dick when contributing [11:08] hmmm may have in fact killed my laptop it no longer recognises I have a battery - only works when it's plugged in . feck [11:09] yeah, I loved this post. To be fair, I love most of what snipe writes but I've been saving this one for linktuesday [11:09] czajkowski: do you mean that the indicator only shows up when it's plugged in, or that the laptop doesn't work when it's not plugged into the mains? [11:09] * lornajane now has a non-booting machine that won't recognise the bootable USB [11:09] bigcalm: the latter [11:09] czajkowski: ouch [11:09] it was working fine yesterday and no issue [11:10] having a mass of untidy cables is kerplunk security where trying to add or move something will trigger instantly noticeable errors :-p [11:10] may have to push for new laptop sooner [11:10] just know if I do that they are gonna give me a mac and I will in fact curl up and cry [11:10] shutdown, remove the battery and reinstall to be sure? [11:10] it's an ultra book cant even unpplug the battery easily [11:10] and also day 5 of new job kinda need it to work [11:10] feck [11:12] okay livecd booting now, definitely going in the right direction [11:13] czajkowski: what's the new job? [11:13] czajkowski: does that mean that Matt has moved to the Mac side? [11:13] lornajane: developer community manager at couchbase [11:13] bigcalm: yup [11:14] so much politer than cat herder :-p [11:14] Oh my [11:14] zmoylan-pi: I get paid to talk to geeks [11:14] czajkowski: nice! Have fun with that :) [11:14] I get paid to talk - not like I've a problem in that area [11:14] Heh [11:14] lornajane: so far so good. lot to learn and pick up [11:14] but enjoying it [11:15] this week I need to be in london for 3 days. and need to learn at the same time so may start pulling hair out soon if laptop doesn't behave [11:25] tbf you are already pretty skilled at talking so i wouldn't worry about there being a lot to learn ;) [11:26] * czajkowski hugs christel how's you darling [11:27] not too shabby! thyself? :) [11:28] not bad [11:33] that's either hilarious or embarrassing. Just realised that I don't have access to my password manager from Windows :) [11:35] Boss man has insisted that we move from Keepass to 1Password as he's now a Mac user. It doesn't look very good to me [11:36] does that work on your platform, bigcalm? [11:36] bigcalm: Ha Ha! ;) does keepass not work on mac then? [11:36] lornajane: windows version runs in wine on Ubuntu 14.04 [11:36] davmor2: not very well it would seem [11:36] yeah I can't point at a windows interface. This is going to be fun [11:37] keepass is on mac too [11:37] keepassX [11:37] lornajane: I use wine for 1Password and SQLyog. Everything else I've managed to get working natively [11:38] there's a third-party 'macpass' too, which is easier than messing around with mono [11:38] http://www.keepassx.org/downloads [11:39] lornajane: the TeamWork Timer app took a little symlinking fun to get it working in Ubuntu, but it does work === Guest24176 is now known as MooDoo === MooDoo is now known as Guest40891 === Guest40891 is now known as MooDoo [11:52] bloomin nickserv [11:53] MooDoo: I blame the user trying to break it, sounds a far more like cause of the problem to me ;) [11:53] lornajane: the only windows thing that I haven't got working in Linux is a VPN for one of our clients. For that I'm currently using a windows VM from modern.ie. I really hope the hosting company sorts out Linux access for me soon [11:54] lornajane: and it's a project that you'll be working on with me, so they really need to get it sorted :) [11:55] davmor2: yeah i just keep getting kicked about :( [11:55] Anybody know how to route traffic for selected IP addresses via a VM? [11:56] MooDoo: which op did you upset with your witty banter ;) [11:56] MooDoo: I bet it's all this Fedora talk on facebook ;) [11:56] hmmm is there any way I can make my machine see my battery [11:57] currently when I click on battery status is saying 00:00 to charge [11:57] s it's like it doesn't see it has a battery any more [11:57] czajkowski: plug the battery into the machine? [11:57] czajkowski: maybe the firmware on the battery itself is fried [11:57] bigcalm: I'm thinking that but wondering what update would do that [11:57] davmor2: it's plugged in smartie [11:57] czajkowski: try booting from a livecd and see if it works then [11:57] davmor2: havn't run FEdora on my laptop in a couple of weeks so it can't be that [11:58] oh nt a bad idea [11:58] * bigcalm frames it and puts on a wall [12:09] I think we've just helped ddos gnome.com [12:13] Oh, and the freenode blog [12:13] \o/ [12:14] gnome.com worked eventually for me and I made a donation [12:14] good lad! [12:14] is this about the groupon name scandal? [12:15] The hint is in the URLs [12:15] yup [12:18] think the folks hosting gnome.org may want to do something with their servers ;) [12:18] I'd like to know how much they've already raised as well [12:19] given it's a foundation it does have funds for this type of issue and to run the foundation [12:20] I thought this year the Women's Outreach had depleted their funds [12:21] yh [12:21] bigcalm: surely you mean gnome.org? [12:21] popey: I do, I suck [12:27] wel it's a foundation so should have public accounts I think [12:27] not saying it's not a worthy cause [12:27] but equally this much exposure and people donating just want to make sure it's for the actual cause in the long run [12:28] it says right on the donation page that anything left over will be used "to improve gnome" [12:28] grr viber on desktop has stopped :( [12:28] exactly. [12:28] so in other words whatever they feel like [12:28] and yes they do have public accounts [12:29] viber sounds too much like tindr and grinr [12:30] it works though and useful when travelling [12:30] as whatspp can be blocked on hotels wifi in some places [12:30] * popey chuckles at "Pownce" [12:30] which used to exist, dunno if it still does [12:32] shutdown in 2008 [12:35] viber is like whatsapp? [12:35] one of the many chat apps [12:35] i did a google hangouts call by accident the other day. the voice quality was far superior to stnadard mobile call [12:36] * popey found the last time pownce was mentioned here... [12:36] http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/01/05/%23ubuntu-uk.html [12:36] also [12:36] * MooDoo runs 2gb and that's more than enough [12:36] ☻ [12:38] yeah, who could have predicted all the amazing innovations that would happen, requiring more than 2gb? [12:38] innovations such as........... [12:38] here it comes.. [12:38] well i'll let you know if i think of any [12:39] I can haz hot coffee! [12:39] Ow, hot [12:41] jeez [12:42] I fought GNU Plot, and I won! http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph.png [12:43] graph makes no sense [12:43] is it per day? [12:44] popey: Congratulations [12:44] is the title at the top not clear? [12:44] no [12:44] how so? [12:44] because you have a continuous variable on the x axis and a discrete variable on the y axis [12:44] looks clear enough to me [12:45] pick a time and date from the bottom and read off a value. the result makes no sense [12:45] y axis need sto be "click per