[00:07] gack. crashed. if anyone responded, apologies.... === duflu_ is now known as duflu === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ === rvr_ is now known as rvr [06:19] Good morning [07:35] morning [07:46] lut didrocks [07:49] bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ? avez-vous eu une bonne fête ? [07:49] ah, seb128 n'a pas eu une fête .. [07:50] lut pitti, ça va bien ? [07:50] seb128: oui, merci [07:50] pitti: pluvieux, mais c'était un bon week-end prolongé, oui ! :) [08:21] seb128: mon petit-déjeuner: deux beignets :) [08:21] pitti, miam! :-) [08:24] pitti, ce n'est pas la saison des beignets en France [08:24] seb128: quand est-il ? [08:24] seb128, larsu gtk inspector requires libgtk-3-dev to be installed for the keybindings to work [08:25] seb128: ici la saison est la carnival, alors de novembre à fevrir [08:25] pitti, en février [08:25] pitti, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mardi_gras [08:26] darkxst: are you sure? I have it installed and keybindings don't work [08:27] seb128: mais c'est difficile à dire -- on peut acheter des beignets toute l'année (alors maintenant il y a beaucoup plus de varietés) [08:27] larsu, is org.gtk.Settings.Debug gschema installed? [08:28] larsu, dpkg -S org.gtk.Settings.Debug [08:28] nope [08:28] likely the issue [08:28] larsu, it works here, but I have the package form gnome3-staging [08:28] seb128: who installs that? [08:28] darkxst: is that built differently? [08:29] larsu, http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gtk%2B3.0/debian/libgtk-3-dev.install?r1=43786&r2=43785&pathrev=43786 [08:29] http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome?view=revision&revision=43786 [08:29] larsu, we need a .install to list the file [08:29] seb128: makes sense. I'll add that right away to my branch [08:29] its probably missing some of the ubuntu stuff, but otherwise just a merge from debian [08:30] larsu, danke [08:30] darkxst: thanks [08:30] seb128: merci [08:30] shrug [08:30] * larsu was trying to fix lower hanging fruit first, like that crash :/ [08:30] would be nice if the gnome3-staging work was sent back in a way where it's useful to distro [08:30] rather than having 2 versions with different changesets [08:31] also, I'm trying to solve a terminal-bg-issue for Laney [08:31] larsu, the indicator one? [08:31] seb128: no, gtk apps crash for me sometimes, but I can't reproduce :/ [08:31] often in the file chooser [08:31] didn't see that one [08:32] seb128, pretty sure ricotz forwards relevant bits to debian [08:32] debian [08:32] doesn't help with e.g that inspector issue [08:32] or if the ppa version is a merge from Debian ir would help having it submitted rather than having somebody else redoing the merge [08:34] man, I also still get that test failure when building the package locally [08:34] seb128, talk to ricotz, he does pretty much all the gtk updates [08:34] * larsu makes tea [08:34] (on ppa) [08:34] darkxst: what would it take for us to use the exact same package? [08:36] larsu, I can't easily install desktop version due to version numbering [08:36] but would be happy to copy desktop package across to -staging, provided there are no missing bits [08:38] (but bumping the version to ~utopic2 or something [08:40] larsu, though I am about to head out shortly [08:41] I'll take a closer look tomorrow,but majority of those issue sound like ubuntu theming issues and not packaging [08:47] didrocks, they've scheduled the UDTC meeting at the same time as the desktop Q&A [08:48] willcooke: you can't move the Q&A? It's the only time when I can have the community participation (or I can handle it myself, but we'll have less people attending I guess) [08:48] didrocks, yeah, I'll have to [08:49] I wanted it to be the first day [08:49] but meh [08:49] it wont let me move it now [08:49] argh [08:49] this system is very frustrating [08:50] willcooke, you could put it a 4pm? [08:50] I'm out between 1430 & 1630 [08:50] ah [08:51] 7pm then? ;-) [08:51] *cough* [08:51] or another day! [08:51] :) [08:51] there we go [08:51] it's not like the schedule was packed [08:51] ha [08:51] it wont let me move it now [08:52] because [08:52] "Error: Can not reschedule this meeting" [08:52] geee [08:52] thanks [08:57] Laney, pitti, does https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1390629/+merge/241150 looks fine to you now? [08:59] seb128: ah, indeed; I should improve this in python-dbusmock too, to stop defaulting to 0.9 [09:03] hey hey [09:03] seb128: yeah looks good [09:04] hey Laney! [09:05] hey didrocks, wb! [09:05] Laney, good morning, how are you? [09:07] doing good [09:07] hey Laney [09:07] we came second by one point in the quiz >:(! [09:07] howdy pitti [09:10] shrug, update-manager closes when trying to install updates [09:10] I wonder if that's a partial upgrade issue [09:10] * seb128 upgrades with apt instead [09:11] blaming Laney and vte [09:12] object has no attribute set_pty_object [09:12] debug first, balme second? [09:12] okay, now blame! [09:12] in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptdaemon/gtk3widgets.py [09:12] l394 [09:13] um [09:13] do you have the new aptdaemon? [09:14] upgrade just that, try u-m again please [09:14] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon [09:14] k, it's still in proposed only [09:14] so no [09:14] this is fail when you have the new vte gir installed [09:14] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/1.1.1+bzr981-0ubuntu1 [09:14] depwait [09:15] ya, needs promoting [09:15] should it use a Breaks? [09:15] if it fails with new gir? [09:15] you probably shouldn't be able to install them both at once [09:16] can you NEW freerdp? that's for this transition too [09:16] looking [09:17] urg [09:17] stack of binaries [09:17] crazyness [09:18] yeah those come from debian [09:18] ok, trusting Debian and just having a sanity glance ;-) [09:22] Laney: promoted, kthxbye [09:23] promoted to sabdfl? [09:23] heh [09:23] next year [09:23] for you :) [09:26] freerdpm NEWed on my side [09:26] ty [09:28] Laney: you talked about the transition, so it will need to be in main as well or universe is enough? [09:28] for? [09:28] 10:16:40 Laney | can you NEW freerdp? that's for this transition too [09:28] yes main [09:28] I thought "this" was for aptdaemon [09:28] not sure which binaries [09:28] but the report will tell you in the end [09:28] I guess you are a candidate for opening a Mir :) [09:28] MIR* [09:29] "you" as "me" -> unsure :p [09:29] it's already in main no? [09:29] ah, it was a binary NEW [09:29] ya [09:29] so no MIR needed, just a normal bug to track [09:29] and tell which bins [09:31] I think c-m will tell us once I upload remmina [09:32] also CI train will probably stop crying https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-015-1-build/57/console [09:32] doesn't understand depwait [09:38] larsu: did you find anything out about the terminal-bg thing? [09:38] oh, oh, unity, are you crashing? [09:39] Laney: let's say I have some leads... talked to Company about debugging it yesterday [09:39] neat [09:39] ya, crashing for me as well - not sure what triggers it [09:40] * Laney files [09:40] Laney: it's a tricky problem. And sadly involves deprecated functions... [09:41] ... [09:41] are we doing something wrong? [09:43] in the theme? no. [09:43] it's the same with with gnome-terminal upstream [09:43] I don't think adwaita sets the background at all, though [09:45] do you know what changed between g-t 3.12 and .14 to break it? [09:46] no, I think it might be a gtk change [09:46] because get_background_color() always returns white now [09:46] where it didn't before [09:46] well it works with the old gnome-terminal on the same gtk [09:47] hm, true. good point [09:48] Sweet5hark: hey! libreoffice-impress suggests bluez, any idea why? is it bluez5-compatible? [09:55] seb128: can you create a ppa for bluez transition? Maybe we can have a devirtualized one and have a more generic naming, like for transitions? [09:55] so that we can BINcopy to -proposed [09:55] (create the ppa under ~ubuntu-dekstop, only the admins can) [09:56] didrocks, I don't think I've the right powers to devirtualize a ppa [09:56] didrocks, also do we want desktop to be in charge of that transition? [09:56] seb128: yeah, but just create the ppa, I'll then ask to turn it into a devirtualize one [09:56] seb128: I'm fearing if we are not, nothing will happen [09:56] cyphermox said he would do the merge and work on that [09:56] but alright [09:57] seb128: there are 30 rdepends to check [09:57] I'm just wondering if we should have it under a team more "open" [09:57] I'm unsure he will do that [09:57] like somewhere the kubuntu team can upload as well [09:57] the ~ubuntu-desktop is opened, core-devs are part of it [09:57] so they can upload [09:57] well, that's going to include universe packages as well likely? [09:57] but ok, let's do that [09:57] that's probably going to be low enough that we can do sponsoring if needed [09:58] and better than if we give motu rights to upload to that ppa, we'll have to check they don't update things being part of main [09:58] so yeah, I prefer that we sponsor if needed [09:58] even if I guess we'll just take as much as possible from debian anyway [09:58] (for universe at least) [09:58] didrocks, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/bluez5 [09:59] seb128: thanks! [09:59] yw! [10:00] didrocks, let's see if devirt works, I'm unsure what are the rules, is coredev fine or did is wanted Canonical only for those? [10:00] seb128: coredev is fine [10:00] as it's as distro :) [10:01] seb128: don't you think we should have a more generic name? [10:01] so that we keep the same devirt ppa in the future if needed [10:01] hum, canonical rt is down as well [10:01] * didrocks has to wait for the request [10:02] #webops [10:02] Laney: they will ask me for a RT first [10:02] trust me, I've been there more than once :) [10:02] ok, working back now [10:02] didrocks, I can't edit the url, want me to create another ppa? [10:02] seb128: yeah, let's do that [10:03] didrocks, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions [10:03] excellent, using that one! [10:03] thx [10:04] didrocks, I updated the description with "currently bluez5" [10:05] sweet! I think we can all update that btw [10:05] just not creating/decomissionning [10:06] cool [10:06] Laney: on dep-wait, CI train had the logic for this [10:06] seems it's been broken once again with all the refactoring that happens… [10:07] happyaron, hey, can you look at bug #1390738? Some comments suggest it's due to ibus [10:07] bug 1390738 in gedit (Ubuntu) "Cursor disapears after CTRL+C" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390738 [10:08] ok [10:09] thanks [10:19] seb128: FYI, it's now devirt [10:20] we'll see on first upload :) [10:20] didrocks, thanks [10:22] yw [10:46] whoever promoted gir1.2-vte-2.91 (thanks) missed the other binary packages and the source :-) [10:50] popey, are you a track lead for Users? [10:52] Laney: I only did this one once you talked about it: [10:52] 10:22:52 didrocks | Laney: promoted, kthxbye [10:53] was that in relation to freerdp or vte? [10:53] vte, you talked about it at that time, hence my ack on the promotion [10:53] ah right [10:53] well I think the rest of the package needs to go to main too [10:54] just got https://launchpadlibrarian.net/190178513/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.aptdaemon_1.1.1%2Bbzr981-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:54] do you have a list of the exact sources and bins you need? [10:55] I think src:vte2.91 gir1.2-vte-2.91 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common libvte-2.91-dev libvte-2.91-doc [10:55] similar to what we had in .90, isn't it? [10:55] then once we get g-t and ubiquity the 2.90 ones can go to universe [10:55] ok [10:55] doing [10:56] ♥ [10:56] Laney: they did break their API so that it's versionned? [10:56] I guess you want the -udeb as well [10:57] for ubiquity [10:57] popey, ignore [10:58] don't think the udeb is needed [10:58] indeed, seems we don't use it [10:59] those are for d-i === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [11:00] yeah, and it's not used in the server installs apparently [11:00] ok, done [11:01] thanks! [11:01] yw [11:06] Sweet5hark1, hey! This GL rendering stuff in LO. Will that help us with Mir in the long run? === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [11:12] * didrocks scratches his head on a test failure… [11:19] ok found and pushed, grrr at commit at the wrong branch… === Trevinho_ is now known as Trevinho === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:51] more unity problems. Had to hard-reboot because it spun my cpu out of control and was unresponsive [12:51] did anyone else see this` [12:54] I don't get that, however bamf isn't matching anymore my weechat launcher [12:54] can be due to new weechat as well [12:54] mh, nothing changed at bamf level, but not sure... [12:55] didrocks: maybe new terminal might handle differently the -class thing? [12:55] Trevinho: yeah, it can be as well [12:55] larsu, no such issue here [12:55] didrocks, does it happen from the start? do you loose matching or just the icon? [12:55] there is an issue with the new gtk and icons in case you test that [12:56] seb128: it just happened once [12:56] like firefox/tb icons get lost after a restart of the apps [12:56] seb128: matching and startup [12:56] didrocks, ok, likely a different issue then [12:56] yep, clicking on the icon doesn't do anything, even with no terminal started [12:57] try downgrading g-t/vte and see if that resolves it? [12:57] not now, but that's part of my plan [12:58] Failed to parse arguments: Option "--disable-factory" is no longer supported in this version of gnome-terminal. [12:58] ok, actually, running manually gives a clue [12:58] of course, it's still in the man though [12:58] we should probably add back the option, or make it not bail out [12:59] to support upgrades with a config like yours [12:59] yeah [12:59] Laney, larsu ^ [12:59] go for it [12:59] well, "do not reuse an existing terminal", is there any other option for that? [13:00] I don't want my weechat to start in a tab of an existing terminal [13:00] the option is gone [13:00] need to do something like this now: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/148111/20018514/ [13:00] (courtesy of desrt) [13:00] * larsu had the same problem [13:00] urgh [13:01] I don't think running a separate process is supported anymore === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:01] bah for backward compatibility though [13:01] or transition handling [13:01] thanks for the pointer larsu! [13:01] not sure what we could do. I was under the impression that not many people used this feature [13:02] isn't --window --profile foo what you want? [13:02] --class, actually [13:02] maybe too [13:02] but you also need to set --app-id [13:03] what for? [13:03] * Laney hasn't used this feature [13:03] --window isn't in the man, only in --help [13:03] something is set that bamf (and gnome shell) pick up [13:04] to do the window/app matching [13:04] too bad desrt isn't here, I never fully looked how this works [13:04] let me try something [13:05] yep, seems that machine doesn't work, even with --class [13:05] matching* [13:05] but I should reload unity, just in case it didn't pick my new desktop file, one sec [13:07] yeah, matching doesn't work [13:07] WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gnome-terminal-server", "Gnome-terminal" [13:07] so, --class is ignored [13:08] wow [13:08] ah, starting gnome-terminal-server with --app-id does create a new process [13:08] seb128: didrocks: what it is about bluez? [13:08] but then you need a dbus service file to make gnome-terminal find that instance [13:08] larsu: I just do gnome-terminal --window --class [13:09] cyphermox: not sure what seb128 wanted, I created a ppa, but let's discuss in the session (today) at UOS [13:09] seb128: didrocks: we could certainly start doing the transition in a PPA, that's a good idea [13:09] didrocks: I'm just unsure what you're unsure I'd be doing? :) [13:10] cyphermox: no, I had a good and simple plan, which is "let's discuss at UOS" and not bikeshed meanwhile :) [13:10] yeah, that's good [13:10] just one thing though [13:10] cyphermox, discussion was about "who has cycles to work on that transition" [13:10] ~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/bluez can't be devirt. [13:11] cyphermox: why? [13:11] ah, I recall there was an issue with IS re: who has upload rights to de-virtualized PPAs [13:11] maybe that's changed now, but I doubt it [13:12] cyphermox: ah, there is no issue in ~ubuntu-desktop, it's onlly people who already can have access to distro builders [13:12] only* [13:12] already figured out with IS, and devirt [13:12] ah, guess so [13:12] cool then :) [13:12] phew, I thought it was a bigger issue :) [13:12] nah [13:13] worst case there is always canonical-arm-dev [13:13] ogra_: all is well [13:13] ah, i thought you got the bluez [13:13] :) [13:14] ok, going for a run outside [13:14] didrocks: enjoy! [13:15] seb128: I just don't have work cycles to work on it right now, but it needs to be done; which means waiting for pulse [13:15] larsu: thanks! :) [13:15] ... which is all stuff we'll cover in the session === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:31] seb128, would you be willing to join us in a UOS session in 1.5 hours? [13:34] bregma, the testing unity8 desktop one? [13:34] seb128, that's the one [13:34] bregma, yeah, I planned to be there [13:34] I noticed it on the schedule [13:34] thanks for the ping ;-) [13:35] I was strong-armed into doing it [13:35] * bregma makes a note not to talk to community people while at sprints [13:35] * bregma makes a note not to visit hotel bars while at sprints [13:36] * bregma makes a note to avoid sprints and stay home in his cave [13:36] bregma stay away from a bar? I don't think so ;p [13:37] well, if I stay at home the pile of empties physically prevents me from getting to the drink [13:37] lol [13:40] seb128, attente_: I'll have a port of xchat-gnome to gsettings soon...just need to write the migration file now [13:40] mdeslaur, you are on a mission there? ;-) [13:41] modernize xchat-gnome! [13:41] who uses that anyway [13:41] mdeslaur, thanks for the work on that [13:41] well, just want to make sure it still works :) [13:41] mdeslaur, btw did you also have your bg color change with the update? [13:41] mdeslaur: did you talk to the polari guys? [13:41] ogra_: I know, everyone uses facebook chat now, right? :) [13:41] lol [13:41] not sure how much of xchat-gnome they're keeping (or if they're using it at all) [13:41] well, rather the non castrated xchat : ) [13:42] seb128: change to what? [13:42] ogra_: plain old xchat is gtk2 [13:42] it works :) [13:43] larsu: I think polari is a whole new codebase [13:43] written in javascript [13:43] ogra_: yeah, it'll work really well in unity 8 :) [13:45] mdeslaur, it was white before and now it's grey [13:46] seb128: oh, look at that...I had not noticed it was changed to grey [13:46] seb128: on my main computer I have a custom theme, in my test vm, I had not noticed === dpm_ is now known as dpm [13:47] seb128: it uses the gtk theme... [13:48] seb128: I'll take a look when I test the gconf-gsettings migration file [13:48] seb128: depending on how much time my insomnia will give me [13:48] k [13:48] it's a detail, just looking different [13:49] more annoying though, it stopped clearing unity launcher badge counts [13:49] like you just replied to me, I focussed xchat-gnome and it didn't clear out the indicator count [13:49] it does if I focus another channel and ubuntu-desktop back though [13:50] seb128: the unity launcher badge count? I've never seen that before [13:50] mdeslaur, do you use xchat-gnome-indicator? [13:50] integration with unity/indicator-messages [13:51] it's installed [13:51] the count is where, on the icon in the launcher, or in the message indicator? [13:52] both [13:52] mdeslaur, you need something to ping/query you though [13:52] never used it? [13:53] the plugin might not be enabled (though I think we do enable it by default) [13:53] one sec, there are so many different plugins that are all confusing as to what they do, let me check [13:53] seb128: ah, I see it now...that one wasn't enabled [13:54] seb128: I'll add it to my list to take a look === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:57] seb128: do you have an example of a package that ships a gsettings distro override file? [13:58] or whatever those are called [13:58] mdeslaur, ubuntu-settings [13:58] mdeslaur, we "batch" our overrides there [13:58] easier than distro patching packages [13:58] it also let users opt out from the override easily [14:00] hrm, ok, thanks [14:00] seb128: so it would be appropriate to have the default xchat-gnome plugin list be in there? [14:00] Intro UOS session is just starting [14:00] or should the package simply ship it's own override? [14:00] mdeslaur, that would be an option, I've no strong preference [14:00] (*due to start) [14:01] mdeslaur, having it in xchat-gnome might be easier and make sense [14:01] I doubt it's the sort of customization that is going to annoy users or derivatives [14:01] willcooke, thanks [14:01] seb128: ok [14:03] * willcooke makes a note to use Chrome not Chromium in order to share slides [14:04] * qengho boggles. [14:04] doesn't work in chromium? [14:06] willcooke: Does it need Flash? [14:07] qengho, hmm, dont think so. mhall119 is having problems presenting his slides at the plenary [14:20] :( [14:20] I'm 99% sure it's the flash plugin. [14:37] larsu, i just joined the club ... hard hang of unity ... (utopic here though) [14:38]