[00:07] <ray__> gack. crashed. if anyone responded, apologies....
[06:19] <pitti> Good morning
[07:35] <didrocks> morning
[07:46] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:49] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ? avez-vous eu une bonne fête ?
[07:49] <pitti> ah, seb128 n'a pas eu une fête ..
[07:50] <seb128> lut pitti, ça va bien ?
[07:50] <pitti> seb128: oui, merci
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: pluvieux, mais c'était un bon week-end prolongé, oui ! :)
[08:21] <pitti> seb128: mon petit-déjeuner: deux beignets :)
[08:21] <seb128> pitti, miam! :-)
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, ce n'est pas la saison des beignets en France
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: quand est-il ?
[08:24] <darkxst> seb128, larsu gtk inspector requires libgtk-3-dev to be installed for the keybindings to work
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: ici la saison est la carnival, alors de novembre à fevrir
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, en février
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mardi_gras
[08:26] <larsu> darkxst: are you sure? I have it installed and keybindings don't work
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: mais c'est difficile à dire -- on peut acheter des beignets toute l'année (alors maintenant il y a beaucoup plus de varietés)
[08:27] <seb128> larsu, is org.gtk.Settings.Debug gschema installed?
[08:28] <seb128> larsu, dpkg -S org.gtk.Settings.Debug
[08:28] <larsu> nope
[08:28] <seb128> likely the issue
[08:28] <darkxst> larsu, it works here, but I have the package form gnome3-staging
[08:28] <larsu> seb128: who installs that?
[08:28] <larsu> darkxst: is that built differently?
[08:29] <seb128> larsu, http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gtk%2B3.0/debian/libgtk-3-dev.install?r1=43786&r2=43785&pathrev=43786
[08:29] <seb128> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome?view=revision&revision=43786
[08:29] <seb128> larsu, we need a .install to list the file
[08:29] <larsu> seb128: makes sense. I'll add that right away to my branch
[08:29] <darkxst> its probably missing some of the ubuntu stuff, but otherwise just a merge from debian
[08:30] <seb128> larsu, danke
[08:30] <larsu> darkxst: thanks
[08:30] <larsu> seb128: merci
[08:30] <seb128> shrug
[08:30]  * larsu was trying to fix lower hanging fruit first, like that crash :/
[08:30] <seb128> would be nice if the gnome3-staging work was sent back in a way where it's useful to distro
[08:30] <seb128> rather than having 2 versions with different changesets
[08:31] <larsu> also, I'm trying to solve a terminal-bg-issue for Laney
[08:31] <seb128> larsu, the indicator one?
[08:31] <larsu> seb128: no, gtk apps crash for me sometimes, but I can't reproduce :/
[08:31] <larsu> often in the file chooser
[08:31] <seb128> didn't see that one
[08:32] <darkxst> seb128, pretty sure ricotz forwards relevant bits to debian
[08:32] <seb128> debian
[08:32] <seb128> doesn't help with e.g that inspector issue
[08:32] <seb128> or if the ppa version is a merge from Debian ir would help having it submitted rather than having somebody else redoing the merge
[08:34] <larsu> man, I also still get that test failure when building the package locally
[08:34] <darkxst> seb128, talk to ricotz, he does pretty much all the gtk updates
[08:34]  * larsu makes tea
[08:34] <darkxst> (on ppa)
[08:34] <larsu> darkxst: what would it take for us to use the exact same package?
[08:36] <darkxst> larsu, I can't easily install desktop version due to version numbering
[08:36] <darkxst> but would be happy to copy desktop package across to -staging, provided there are no missing bits
[08:38] <darkxst> (but bumping the version to ~utopic2 or something
[08:40] <darkxst> larsu, though I am about to head out shortly
[08:41] <darkxst> I'll take a closer look tomorrow,but majority of those issue sound like ubuntu theming issues and not packaging
[08:47] <willcooke> didrocks, they've scheduled the UDTC meeting at the same time as the desktop Q&A
[08:48] <didrocks> willcooke: you can't move the Q&A? It's the only time when I can have the community participation (or I can handle it myself, but we'll have less people attending I guess)
[08:48] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah, I'll have to
[08:49] <willcooke> I wanted it to be the first day
[08:49] <willcooke> but meh
[08:49] <willcooke> it wont let me move it now
[08:49] <willcooke> argh
[08:49] <willcooke> this system is very frustrating
[08:50] <seb128> willcooke, you could put it a 4pm?
[08:50] <willcooke> I'm out between 1430 & 1630
[08:50] <seb128> ah
[08:51] <seb128> 7pm then? ;-)
[08:51] <willcooke> *cough*
[08:51] <seb128> or another day!
[08:51] <willcooke> :)
[08:51] <willcooke> there we go
[08:51] <seb128> it's not like the schedule was packed
[08:51] <willcooke> ha
[08:51] <willcooke> it wont let me move it now
[08:52] <willcooke> because
[08:52] <willcooke> "Error: Can not reschedule this meeting"
[08:52] <willcooke> geee
[08:52] <willcooke> thanks
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, pitti, does https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1390629/+merge/241150 looks fine to you now?
[08:59] <pitti> seb128: ah, indeed; I should improve this in python-dbusmock too, to stop defaulting to 0.9
[09:03] <Laney> hey hey
[09:03] <Laney> seb128: yeah looks good
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:05] <Laney> hey didrocks, wb!
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, good morning, how are you?
[09:07] <Laney> doing good
[09:07] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:07] <Laney> we came second by one point in the quiz >:(!
[09:07] <Laney> howdy pitti
[09:10] <seb128> shrug, update-manager closes when trying to install updates
[09:10] <seb128> I wonder if that's a partial upgrade issue
[09:10]  * seb128 upgrades with apt instead
[09:11] <seb128> blaming Laney and vte
[09:12] <seb128> object has no attribute set_pty_object
[09:12] <Laney> debug first, balme second?
[09:12] <Laney> okay, now blame!
[09:12] <seb128> in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptdaemon/gtk3widgets.py
[09:12] <seb128> l394
[09:13] <Laney> um
[09:13] <Laney> do you have the new aptdaemon?
[09:14] <Laney> upgrade just that, try u-m again please
[09:14] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon
[09:14] <seb128> k, it's still in proposed only
[09:14] <seb128> so no
[09:14] <Laney> this is fail when you have the new vte gir installed
[09:14] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/1.1.1+bzr981-0ubuntu1
[09:14] <seb128> depwait
[09:15] <Laney> ya, needs promoting
[09:15] <seb128> should it use a Breaks?
[09:15] <seb128> if it fails with new gir?
[09:15] <Laney> you probably shouldn't be able to install them both at once
[09:16] <Laney> can you NEW freerdp? that's for this transition too
[09:16] <seb128> looking
[09:17] <seb128> urg
[09:17] <seb128> stack of binaries
[09:17] <seb128> crazyness
[09:18] <Laney> yeah those come from debian
[09:18] <seb128> ok, trusting Debian and just having a sanity glance ;-)
[09:22] <didrocks> Laney: promoted, kthxbye
[09:23] <Laney> promoted to sabdfl?
[09:23] <didrocks> heh
[09:23] <didrocks> next year
[09:23] <didrocks> for you :)
[09:26] <seb128> freerdpm NEWed on my side
[09:26] <Laney> ty
[09:28] <didrocks> Laney: you talked about the transition, so it will need to be in main as well or universe is enough?
[09:28] <Laney> for?
[09:28] <didrocks> 10:16:40      Laney | can you NEW freerdp? that's for this transition too
[09:28] <Laney> yes main
[09:28] <didrocks> I thought "this" was for aptdaemon
[09:28] <Laney> not sure which binaries
[09:28] <Laney> but the report will tell you in the end
[09:28] <didrocks> I guess you are a candidate for opening a Mir :)
[09:28] <didrocks> MIR*
[09:29] <didrocks> "you" as "me" -> unsure :p
[09:29] <Laney> it's already in main no?
[09:29] <didrocks> ah, it was a binary NEW
[09:29] <Laney> ya
[09:29] <didrocks> so no MIR needed, just a normal bug to track
[09:29] <didrocks> and tell which bins
[09:31] <Laney> I think c-m will tell us once I upload remmina
[09:32] <Laney> also CI train will probably stop crying https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-015-1-build/57/console
[09:32] <Laney> doesn't understand depwait
[09:38] <Laney> larsu: did you find anything out about the terminal-bg thing?
[09:38] <Laney> oh, oh, unity, are you crashing?
[09:39] <larsu> Laney: let's say I have some leads... talked to Company about debugging it yesterday
[09:39] <Laney> neat
[09:39] <larsu> ya, crashing for me as well - not sure what triggers it
[09:40]  * Laney files
[09:40] <larsu> Laney: it's a tricky problem. And sadly involves deprecated functions...
[09:41] <Laney> ...
[09:41] <Laney> are we doing something wrong?
[09:43] <larsu> in the theme? no.
[09:43] <larsu> it's the same with with gnome-terminal upstream
[09:43] <larsu> I don't think adwaita sets the background at all, though
[09:45] <Laney> do you know what changed between g-t 3.12 and .14 to break it?
[09:46] <larsu> no, I think it might be a gtk change
[09:46] <larsu> because get_background_color() always returns white now
[09:46] <larsu> where it didn't before
[09:46] <Laney> well it works with the old gnome-terminal on the same gtk
[09:47] <larsu> hm, true. good point
[09:48] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: hey! libreoffice-impress suggests bluez, any idea why? is it bluez5-compatible?
[09:55] <didrocks> seb128: can you create a ppa for bluez transition? Maybe we can have a devirtualized one and have a more generic naming, like for transitions?
[09:55] <didrocks> so that we can BINcopy to -proposed
[09:55] <didrocks> (create the ppa under ~ubuntu-dekstop, only the admins can)
[09:56] <seb128> didrocks, I don't think I've the right powers to devirtualize a ppa
[09:56] <seb128> didrocks, also do we want desktop to be in charge of that transition?
[09:56] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but just create the ppa, I'll then ask to turn it into a devirtualize one
[09:56] <didrocks> seb128: I'm fearing if we are not, nothing will happen
[09:56] <seb128> cyphermox said he would do the merge and work on that
[09:56] <seb128> but alright
[09:57] <didrocks> seb128: there are 30 rdepends to check
[09:57] <seb128> I'm just wondering if we should have it under a team more "open"
[09:57] <didrocks> I'm unsure he will do that
[09:57] <seb128> like somewhere the kubuntu team can upload as well
[09:57] <didrocks> the ~ubuntu-desktop is opened, core-devs are part of it
[09:57] <didrocks> so they can upload
[09:57] <seb128> well, that's going to include universe packages as well likely?
[09:57] <seb128> but ok, let's do that
[09:57] <seb128> that's probably going to be low enough that we can do sponsoring if needed
[09:58] <didrocks> and better than if we give motu rights to upload to that ppa, we'll have to check they don't update things being part of main
[09:58] <didrocks> so yeah, I prefer that we sponsor if needed
[09:58] <didrocks> even if I guess we'll just take as much as possible from debian anyway
[09:58] <didrocks> (for universe at least)
[09:58] <seb128> didrocks, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/bluez5
[09:59] <didrocks> seb128: thanks!
[09:59] <seb128> yw!
[10:00] <seb128> didrocks, let's see if devirt works, I'm unsure what are the rules, is coredev fine or did is wanted Canonical only for those?
[10:00] <didrocks> seb128: coredev is fine
[10:00] <didrocks> as it's as distro :)
[10:01] <didrocks> seb128: don't you think we should have a more generic name?
[10:01] <didrocks> so that we keep the same devirt ppa in the future if needed
[10:01] <didrocks> hum, canonical rt is down as well
[10:01]  * didrocks has to wait for the request
[10:02] <Laney> #webops
[10:02] <didrocks> Laney: they will ask me for a RT first
[10:02] <didrocks> trust me, I've been there more than once :)
[10:02] <didrocks> ok, working back now
[10:02] <seb128> didrocks, I can't edit the url, want me to create another ppa?
[10:02] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, let's do that
[10:03] <seb128> didrocks, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions
[10:03] <didrocks> excellent, using that one!
[10:03] <seb128> thx
[10:04] <seb128> didrocks, I updated the description with "currently bluez5"
[10:05] <didrocks> sweet! I think we can all update that btw
[10:05] <didrocks> just not creating/decomissionning
[10:06] <seb128> cool
[10:06] <didrocks> Laney: on dep-wait, CI train had the logic for this
[10:06] <didrocks> seems it's been broken once again with all the refactoring that happens…
[10:07] <seb128> happyaron, hey, can you look at bug #1390738? Some comments suggest it's due to ibus
[10:08] <happyaron> ok
[10:09] <seb128> thanks
[10:19] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, it's now devirt
[10:20] <didrocks> we'll see on first upload :)
[10:20] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[10:22] <didrocks> yw
[10:46] <Laney> whoever promoted gir1.2-vte-2.91 (thanks) missed the other binary packages and the source :-)
[10:50] <willcooke> popey, are you a track lead for Users?
[10:52] <didrocks> Laney: I only did this one once you talked about it:
[10:52] <didrocks> 10:22:52   didrocks | Laney: promoted, kthxbye
[10:53] <Laney> was that in relation to freerdp or vte?
[10:53] <didrocks> vte, you talked about it at that time, hence my ack on the promotion
[10:53] <Laney> ah right
[10:53] <Laney> well I think the rest of the package needs to go to main too
[10:54] <Laney> just got https://launchpadlibrarian.net/190178513/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.aptdaemon_1.1.1%2Bbzr981-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:54] <didrocks> do you have a list of the exact sources and bins you need?
[10:55] <Laney> I think src:vte2.91 gir1.2-vte-2.91 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common libvte-2.91-dev libvte-2.91-doc
[10:55] <didrocks> similar to what we had in .90, isn't it?
[10:55] <Laney> then once we get g-t and ubiquity the 2.90 ones can go to universe
[10:55] <didrocks> ok
[10:55] <didrocks> doing
[10:56] <Laney> ♥
[10:56] <didrocks> Laney: they did break their API so that it's versionned?
[10:56] <didrocks> I guess you want the -udeb as well
[10:57] <didrocks> for ubiquity
[10:57] <willcooke> popey, ignore
[10:58] <Laney> don't think the udeb is needed
[10:58] <didrocks> indeed, seems we don't use it
[10:59] <Laney> those are for d-i
[11:00] <didrocks> yeah, and it's not used in the server installs apparently
[11:00] <didrocks> ok, done
[11:01] <Laney> thanks!
[11:01] <didrocks> yw
[11:06] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, hey!  This GL rendering stuff in LO.  Will that help us with Mir in the long run?
[11:12]  * didrocks scratches his head on a test failure…
[11:19] <didrocks> ok found and pushed, grrr at commit at the wrong branch…
[12:51] <larsu> more unity problems. Had to hard-reboot because it spun my cpu out of control and was unresponsive
[12:51] <larsu> did anyone else see this`
[12:54] <didrocks> I don't get that, however bamf isn't matching anymore my weechat launcher
[12:54] <didrocks> can be due to new weechat as well
[12:54] <Trevinho> mh, nothing changed at bamf level, but not sure...
[12:55] <Trevinho> didrocks: maybe new terminal might handle differently the -class thing?
[12:55] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, it can be as well
[12:55] <seb128> larsu, no such issue here
[12:55] <seb128> didrocks, does it happen from the start? do you loose matching or just the icon?
[12:55] <seb128> there is an issue with the new gtk and icons in case you test that
[12:56] <larsu> seb128: it just happened once
[12:56] <seb128> like firefox/tb icons get lost after a restart of the apps
[12:56] <didrocks> seb128: matching and startup
[12:56] <seb128> didrocks, ok, likely a different issue then
[12:56] <didrocks> yep, clicking on the icon doesn't do anything, even with no terminal started
[12:57] <seb128> try downgrading g-t/vte and see if that resolves it?
[12:57] <didrocks> not now, but that's part of my plan
[12:58] <didrocks> Failed to parse arguments: Option "--disable-factory" is no longer supported in this version of gnome-terminal.
[12:58] <didrocks> ok, actually, running manually gives a clue
[12:58] <didrocks> of course, it's still in the man though
[12:58] <seb128> we should probably add back the option, or make it not bail out
[12:59] <seb128> to support upgrades with a config like yours
[12:59] <didrocks> yeah
[12:59] <seb128> Laney, larsu ^
[12:59] <Laney> go for it
[12:59] <didrocks> well, "do not reuse an existing terminal", is there any other option for that?
[13:00] <didrocks> I don't want my weechat to start in a tab of an existing terminal
[13:00] <larsu> the option is gone
[13:00] <larsu> need to do something like this now: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/148111/20018514/
[13:00] <larsu> (courtesy of desrt)
[13:00]  * larsu had the same problem
[13:00] <didrocks> urgh
[13:01] <larsu> I don't think running a separate process is supported anymore
[13:01] <didrocks> bah for backward compatibility though
[13:01] <didrocks> or transition handling
[13:01] <didrocks> thanks for the pointer larsu!
[13:01] <larsu> not sure what we could do. I was under the impression that not many people used this feature
[13:02] <Laney> isn't --window --profile foo what you want?
[13:02] <larsu> --class, actually
[13:02] <Laney> maybe too
[13:02] <larsu> but you also need to set --app-id
[13:03] <Laney> what for?
[13:03]  * Laney hasn't used this feature
[13:03] <didrocks> --window isn't in the man, only in --help
[13:03] <larsu> something is set that bamf (and gnome shell) pick up
[13:04] <larsu> to do the window/app matching
[13:04] <larsu> too bad desrt isn't here, I never fully looked how this works
[13:04] <didrocks> let me try something
[13:05] <didrocks> yep, seems that machine doesn't work, even with --class
[13:05] <didrocks> matching*
[13:05] <didrocks> but I should reload unity, just in case it didn't pick my new desktop file, one sec
[13:07] <didrocks> yeah, matching doesn't work
[13:07] <didrocks> WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gnome-terminal-server", "Gnome-terminal"
[13:07] <didrocks> so, --class is ignored
[13:08] <Trevinho> wow
[13:08] <larsu> ah, starting gnome-terminal-server with --app-id does create a new process
[13:08] <cyphermox> seb128: didrocks: what it is about bluez?
[13:08] <larsu> but then you need a dbus service file to make gnome-terminal find that instance
[13:08] <didrocks> larsu: I just do gnome-terminal --window --class
[13:09] <didrocks> cyphermox: not sure what seb128 wanted, I created a ppa, but let's discuss in the session (today) at UOS
[13:09] <cyphermox> seb128: didrocks: we could certainly start doing the transition in a PPA, that's a good idea
[13:09] <cyphermox> didrocks: I'm just unsure what you're unsure I'd be doing? :)
[13:10] <didrocks> cyphermox: no, I had a good and simple plan, which is "let's discuss at UOS" and not bikeshed meanwhile :)
[13:10] <cyphermox> yeah, that's good
[13:10] <cyphermox> just one thing though
[13:10] <seb128> cyphermox, discussion was about "who has cycles to work on that transition"
[13:10] <cyphermox> ~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/bluez can't be devirt.
[13:11] <didrocks> cyphermox: why?
[13:11] <cyphermox> ah, I recall there was an issue with IS re: who has upload rights to de-virtualized PPAs
[13:11] <cyphermox> maybe that's changed now, but I doubt it
[13:12] <didrocks> cyphermox: ah, there is no issue in ~ubuntu-desktop, it's onlly people who already can have access to distro builders
[13:12] <didrocks> only*
[13:12] <didrocks> already figured out with IS, and devirt
[13:12] <cyphermox> ah, guess so
[13:12] <cyphermox> cool then :)
[13:12] <didrocks> phew, I thought it was a bigger issue :)
[13:12] <cyphermox> nah
[13:13] <ogra_> worst case there is always canonical-arm-dev
[13:13] <cyphermox> ogra_: all is well
[13:13] <ogra_> ah, i thought you got the bluez
[13:13] <ogra_> :)
[13:14] <didrocks> ok, going for a run outside
[13:14] <larsu> didrocks: enjoy!
[13:15] <cyphermox> seb128: I just don't have work cycles to work on it right now, but it needs to be done; which means waiting for pulse
[13:15] <didrocks> larsu: thanks! :)
[13:15] <cyphermox> ... which is all stuff we'll cover in the session
[13:31] <bregma> seb128, would you be willing to join us in a UOS session in 1.5 hours?
[13:34] <seb128> bregma, the testing unity8 desktop one?
[13:34] <bregma> seb128, that's the one
[13:34] <seb128> bregma, yeah, I planned to be there
[13:34] <seb128> I noticed it on the schedule
[13:34] <seb128> thanks for the ping ;-)
[13:35] <bregma> I was strong-armed into doing it
[13:35]  * bregma makes a note not to talk to community people while at sprints
[13:35]  * bregma makes a note not to visit hotel bars while at sprints
[13:36]  * bregma makes a note to avoid sprints and stay home in his cave
[13:36] <willcooke> bregma stay away from a bar?  I don't think so ;p
[13:37] <bregma> well, if I stay at home the pile of empties physically prevents me from getting to the drink
[13:37] <willcooke> lol
[13:40] <mdeslaur> seb128, attente_: I'll have a port of xchat-gnome to gsettings soon...just need to write the migration file now
[13:40] <seb128> mdeslaur, you are on a mission there? ;-)
[13:41] <seb128> modernize xchat-gnome!
[13:41] <ogra_> who uses that anyway
[13:41] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks for the work on that
[13:41] <mdeslaur> well, just want to make sure it still works :)
[13:41] <seb128> mdeslaur, btw did you also have your bg color change with the update?
[13:41] <larsu> mdeslaur: did you talk to the polari guys?
[13:41] <mdeslaur> ogra_: I know, everyone uses facebook chat now, right? :)
[13:41] <ogra_> lol
[13:41] <larsu> not sure how much of xchat-gnome they're keeping (or if they're using it at all)
[13:41] <ogra_> well, rather the non castrated xchat : )
[13:42] <mdeslaur> seb128: change to what?
[13:42] <mdeslaur> ogra_: plain old xchat is gtk2
[13:42] <ogra_> it works :)
[13:43] <mdeslaur> larsu: I think polari is a whole new codebase
[13:43] <mdeslaur> written in javascript
[13:43] <mdeslaur> ogra_: yeah, it'll work really well in unity 8 :)
[13:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, it was white before and now it's grey
[13:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: oh, look at that...I had not noticed it was changed to grey
[13:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: on my main computer I have a custom theme, in my test vm, I had not noticed
[13:47] <mdeslaur> seb128: it uses the gtk theme...
[13:48] <mdeslaur> seb128: I'll take a look when I test the gconf-gsettings migration file
[13:48] <mdeslaur> seb128: depending on how much time my insomnia will give me
[13:48] <seb128> k
[13:48] <seb128> it's a detail, just looking different
[13:49] <seb128> more annoying though, it stopped clearing unity launcher badge counts
[13:49] <seb128> like you just replied to me, I focussed xchat-gnome and it didn't clear out the indicator count
[13:49] <seb128> it does if I focus another channel and ubuntu-desktop back though
[13:50] <mdeslaur> seb128: the unity launcher badge count? I've never seen that before
[13:50] <seb128> mdeslaur, do you use xchat-gnome-indicator?
[13:50] <seb128> integration with unity/indicator-messages
[13:51] <mdeslaur> it's installed
[13:51] <mdeslaur> the count is where, on the icon in the launcher, or in the message indicator?
[13:52] <seb128> both
[13:52] <seb128> mdeslaur, you need something to ping/query you though
[13:52] <seb128> never used it?
[13:53] <seb128> the plugin might not be enabled (though I think we do enable it by default)
[13:53] <mdeslaur> one sec, there are so many different plugins that are all confusing as to what they do, let me check
[13:53] <mdeslaur> seb128: ah, I see it now...that one wasn't enabled
[13:54] <mdeslaur> seb128: I'll add it to my list to take a look
[13:57] <mdeslaur> seb128: do you have an example of a package that ships a gsettings distro override file?
[13:58] <mdeslaur> or whatever those are called
[13:58] <seb128> mdeslaur, ubuntu-settings
[13:58] <seb128> mdeslaur, we "batch" our overrides there
[13:58] <seb128> easier than distro patching packages
[13:58] <seb128> it also let users opt out from the override easily
[14:00] <mdeslaur> hrm, ok, thanks
[14:00] <mdeslaur> seb128: so it would be appropriate to have the default xchat-gnome plugin list be in there?
[14:00] <willcooke> Intro UOS session is just starting
[14:00] <mdeslaur> or should the package simply ship it's own override?
[14:00] <seb128> mdeslaur, that would be an option, I've no strong preference
[14:00] <willcooke> (*due to start)
[14:01] <seb128> mdeslaur, having it in xchat-gnome might be easier and make sense
[14:01] <seb128> I doubt it's the sort of customization that is going to annoy users or derivatives
[14:01] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[14:01] <mdeslaur> seb128: ok
[14:03]  * willcooke makes a note to use Chrome not Chromium in order to share slides
[14:04]  * qengho boggles.
[14:04] <seb128> doesn't work in chromium?
[14:06] <qengho> willcooke: Does it need Flash?
[14:07] <willcooke> qengho, hmm, dont think so.  mhall119 is having problems presenting his slides at the plenary
[14:20] <qengho> :(
[14:20] <qengho> I'm 99% sure it's the flash plugin.
[14:37] <ogra_> larsu, i just joined the club ... hard hang of unity ... (utopic here though)
[14:38] <mdeslaur> ogra_: are you sure you're not hitting the intel drm issue? I hit that once in a while
[14:38] <mdeslaur> (on utopic)
[14:38] <larsu> ogra_: ugh. Do you remember what brought you into this state? Seems totally random for me and doesn't happen that often, so I don't know what I would write a bug about
[14:38] <ogra_> mdeslaur, i surely do ... that is what was actually on console
[14:39] <mdeslaur> it's very annoying
[14:39] <ogra_> i managed to get to console after ctrl-alt-f1and waiting 5min
[14:40] <ogra_> then killes firefox and evo who were taking a lot of cycles ... then alt-f7 got me back to a working session
[14:40] <ogra_> on console i had a bunch of intel_drm erros
[14:41] <ogra_> mdeslaur, any fix pending for that ?
[14:41]  * xnox looks at intel drm developer's table, they look away
[14:41] <ogra_> haha
[14:41] <ogra_> throw somthing
[14:41] <mdeslaur> ogra_: I don't know, I fear the kernel demotivation bot, so I didn't file a bug
[14:42] <xnox> mdeslaur: =))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[14:43] <ogra_> lol
[14:50] <xnox> fyi http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/11/intel-linux-graphics-driver-installer-update?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG%21+Ubuntu%21%29
[15:39] <mdeslaur> thanks *(&$%? intel drm
[15:39] <mdeslaur> ;)
[15:55] <mhall119> willcooke: man, I highlight your Q&A today in the intro and you go and move it :-P
[16:25] <MagicSpud> hello I need help with alacarte...it is not working on ubuntu 14.04
[16:25] <MagicSpud> it took near 4 minutes to add a new menu and it is not adding new elements to it
[16:26] <MagicSpud> I am using gnome-session-fallback
[16:33] <willcooke> mhall119, sorry about that :)
[16:33] <willcooke> clashed with didrocks session
[16:34] <mhall119> no worries, if I had checked email earlier I might havehad time to update my slides
[16:34] <MagicSpud> another issue...when trying to run a shell file I cant find terminal among the open with applications
[17:17] <willcooke> didrocks, we should get the Arudino IDE in to UDTC
[17:19] <didrocks> willcooke: I even didn't know they have an IDE
[17:19] <willcooke> didrocks, I'll show you
[17:20] <didrocks> willcooke: looks sweet and javaish, sure, we can support that :)
[17:20] <willcooke> yeah, it's java
[17:25] <seb128> mdeslaur, nice work debugging the focus issue!
[17:25] <mdeslaur> seb128: hehe, yw :)
[17:36] <willcooke> oh, is this the problem where we lose kdb focus in the side stage?
[17:40] <seb128> willcooke, no, it was an issue with the xchat-gnome update from this week, counter was not properly cleared when focussing the win
[17:40] <willcooke> ack
[17:44] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, name check from sabdfl
[17:45] <willcooke> :)
[17:45] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: huh?
[17:46] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, talking about clickifying LibreOffice
[17:46] <willcooke> you're the go to guy :)
[17:46] <willcooke> Mark also explain that it will be tricky because of the custom toolkit
[17:49] <Sweet5hark> the custom toolkit is one issue. But for click packages the tricky part is that LibreOffice integrates with everything: databases (postgresql, mariadb, addressbooks in mailclients), gtk, kde, python, java (for extensions) etc.
[17:49] <Sweet5hark> well, thats the other issue ;)
[17:50] <willcooke> yeah
[17:56]  * Laney shovels in some more fresh hot hot crack
[17:56] <ogra_> wear gloves !
[17:56] <Laney> I've slowly evolved asbestos hands
[17:57] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: so there are the *.debs released by the Document Foundation, which are in a way "click packages" (from a dependency point of view -- they depend on very little). But those e.g. dont work with the unity menu via dbus (as they are build against an ancient glib), bring their own python. In fact, on Windows (which is also a "click package"-ish thing), LibreOffice comes bundled with building stuff from ~150 other open source proj
[18:02]  * Laney runs away from the scene of the crime
[18:02] <Laney> see you tomorrow ;-)
[18:03] <seb128> Laney, have fun, see you tomorrow
[18:34]  * mlankhorst has standalone xmir running \o/
[18:41] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: Sweet!
[18:42] <ogra_> poor thing ... it might be lonely
[18:42] <ogra_> start some apps ;)
[18:45] <mlankhorst> i had xeyes and xterm sort of working :p
[18:47] <ogra_> :)
[18:47] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: Is this based on the patch you had in the email you sent?
[18:54] <willcooke> mlankhorst, awesome
[18:54]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night!
[18:54] <willcooke> didrocks, thanks a lot!  Plenty to do for us ;)
[18:54]  * willcooke -> EOD too o/
[20:40] <mlankhorst> ChrisTownsend: yeah just no glamor-egl yet :P
[23:54] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: hey, I was looking at the gdk mir code, but it looks that at this line https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gdk/mir/gdkmirscreen.c#n127 screen should be passed, not display (according to the callback signature above)
[23:55] <Trevinho> not sure wether that is the last code btw