=== [1]vncm is now known as vncm [09:22] What packages are needed to rebuild the kernel? [09:28] the build dependencies of the kernel package indeed [09:38] 22:57:48* bjf | j4s0nmchr1st0s, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel [09:38] if those two arn't sufficient answer, you need to help us with a more comprehensive question [11:38] apw: fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /ubuntu/ubuntu-3.X.X-XX-generic.git [11:52] j4s0nmchr1st0s, is the ubuntu release codename, trusty or whatever [11:54] j4s0nmchr1st0s, the example 2 lines below makes this clearer [11:58] apw: 2 lines below what [12:00] j4s0nmchr1st0s: The git section you copied and pasted. [12:08] nope [12:13] git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-.git [12:13] For example to obtain the precise tree: [12:13] git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git [12:14] i think you were using that from the wiki? if not where did you get it from so i can delete it [12:17] apw: the link you posted [12:17] It says to use uname -r [12:18] apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) [12:18] that ? [12:20] j4s0nmchr1st0s, ^ [12:22] yes [12:22] that is a completely different command getting the source from a different source, and using differnt versioning [12:22] quantal isnt on there [12:22] quantal is EOL. [12:22] quantal is dead a buried [12:22] And has been for a long time. [12:22] why on early would you want to build that [12:23] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-May/000184.html [12:23] It is not legal to bury it. [12:23] You are in violation of the liscence. [12:23] Uhm, no. [12:23] huh ? [12:24] The sources are still available next to the binaries. [12:24] Where? [12:24] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ [12:24] apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) [12:24] but they likely have gaping security holes that will not be fixed [12:26] and in fact regardless of the fact the source is in the archive (as infinity points out) the git repo is still available but in the ubuntu-archive directory [12:26] ogra_: s/likely/do/ [12:26] infinity, yeah, i didnt check, that made me careful ;) [12:26] infinity: What is this link? [12:26] yeah no likely on that, it has vast caverous security issues which are definatly not fixed [12:26] j4s0nmchr1st0s: That's a link to the pool where all your kernel binaries now live, as well as the source packages. [12:26] right [12:27] j4s0nmchr1st0s, that is a web url [12:27] j4s0nmchr1st0s: quantal isn't on archive.ubuntu.com anymore, and hasn't been for a long while. [12:30] Is ogra_ infected? [12:30] ?? [12:31] i think i'm rather healthy ... apart from slight overweight and a smokers cough [12:31] :) [12:34] * ppisati still thinks we should have called P "pandemic platypus" [12:34] is pandemic an adjective? though english is much abused these days [12:35] ppisati: Pandemic doesn't exactly have that LTS ring to it. [12:35] "profligate platypus" [12:35] apw: isn't it? e.g. a pandemic disease [12:35] a pandemic ogra_ [12:36] etcetc [12:36] ppisati: No, a pandemic is a thing. [12:36] :) [12:36] you don't to pandemic, you have a pandemic [12:36] ahhhhhhhh [12:36] ok [12:36] would pandemical work ? [12:37] or pandemistic ? [12:38] hold on [12:38] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/pandemic [12:38] it's an adjective too === Trevinho_ is now known as Trevinho [12:39] No one trusts Cambridge. [12:52] The source isn't on here. [12:52] Only for a revision. [12:53] I want the sourcecode. [12:57] j4s0nmchr1st0s, well, then grab the source package from old-releases.ubuntu.com ... [13:08] j4s0nmchr1st0s, if you mean the git repo we made the source packages from, those are still in ubuntu-archive/ rather than ubuntu/ in the git line [13:12] j4s0nmchr1st0s, though the source code for any released version is only definativly in the .dsc there [13:44] apw: Is that on github? [13:44] nope, take the original git url and s@ubuntu/@ubuntu-archive/@ on it [13:45] * apw still doesn't get why you don't just upgrade, that has to be easier than making your own kernel for a dead release [13:47] Is that for all of the source or just the kernel apw ? [13:47] that is just for the kernel [13:48] Why are there so many objects? [13:48] becasue it contains the entire history of the linux kernle up to 3.5 and every single release of that kernel we did, which was a lot [13:49] Why does it contain the entire history? [13:49] because it is a git repo of the kernel, that is how they work [13:50] it is cirtainly not going to be smaller than the source pacakge for any specific kernel [13:50] So ubuntu archives the entire kernel history for each release? [13:50] the ubuntu kernel-team keeps the entire history of its kernels yes [13:51] as each kernel is derivative of the same on going linux (linus') history, they can share objects locally [13:52] and cirtainly that is what those of us who have 10 releases worth locally [13:52] That doesn't seem necessary why would the team clone the entire linux history for each release and archive it, unless it is being built from freshly compiled older linux platforms? [13:53] because that his how the git history is represented, as a history of the repo. the archive repos also share objects [13:53] if you only want the current version that is in the source .dsc for the version [13:53] if you want the entire history of the version that is in the repo, and yes it is large [13:53] Was git even around when linux 1 was released? [13:54] no it was not, history starts at 2.6.12-rc2 iirc [13:54] older history is somewhere, not in the main repo [13:55] remember disk space is almost free in the GB range, and this is the logical and simplest form for it to take [13:56] if you share the objects with a linux-linus tree, then the overhead is near 0 [13:59] What do you mean by 'free in the GB range'? [14:00] a GB of disks is of the order of $0.00 in real money [14:01] ? [14:02] j4s0nmchr1st0s: Translation: "disk is cheap, who cares about big git repositories". [14:02] that, thanks [14:03] j4s0nmchr1st0s: We don't ship the full history in the ubuntu archive, only a checkout of the tag being built, but for the kernel team's work, it's valid and useful to have complete history to search, revert, cherry-pick, etc. [14:03] It is bandwidth that is of concern. [14:03] j4s0nmchr1st0s: If bandwidth is really a concern, you don't want actually want a full git clone. :P [14:03] So why are you doing one? [14:03] I need to connect to some high speed link to do this. [14:04] or do a shallow clone [14:04] If I see a fiber optic cable how can I splice it? [14:04] A shovel. [14:05] an axe ... a very slim one ... [14:05] I would have to know how they are transmitting over light. [14:06] Is the backbone using open source drivers? [14:10] unlikely they are using anything non-proprietary at this stage, the data and speeds of same they handle are astronomical [14:14] Interesting to think about. [14:18] That is where I am at. === adam_g` is now known as adam_g === neunon_ is now known as neunon === mjg59` is now known as mjg59 [22:14] apw: Is ubuntu-archive on github, search found nothing. [22:15] git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-quantal.git [22:15] or whatever the series is [23:11] apw: Can git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-quantal.git be bookmarked on github?