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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | File Manager Planning | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22347/file-manager-planning/ | ||
| akiva-thinkpad | hey all | 15:57 |
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| JoshStrobl | stop stalking me akiva-thinkpad! | 15:57 |
| JoshStrobl | :D | 15:57 |
| akiva-thinkpad | ha | 15:57 |
| akiva-thinkpad | no | 15:57 |
| akiva-thinkpad | . | 15:57 |
| popey | hey all | 15:57 |
| JoshStrobl | hey chicken chaser | 15:57 |
| popey | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en is the hangout URL if people want to join | 15:57 |
| CarlosMazieri | hello | 15:57 |
| === akiva-thinkpad is now known as akiva-yellow-roo | ||
| oombap | sudo apt-get install mc | 15:58 |
| Letozaf_ | hello guys | 15:58 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | Eyo | 15:58 |
| popey | hey Letozaf_ | 15:59 |
| Letozaf_ | :D | 15:59 |
| popey | Letozaf_: ajalkane: CarlosMazieri https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en | 15:59 |
| popey | if you're able to join | 15:59 |
| CarlosMazieri | hello all | 15:59 |
| ajalkane | howdy | 15:59 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | ajalkane, o/ | 15:59 |
| ajalkane | hi yellow akiva | 16:00 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | hey | 16:00 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | don't be jelly | 16:00 |
| popey | should be live now | 16:00 |
| JoshStrobl | We are live! | 16:00 |
| oombap | nautilus? | 16:02 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | oombap, new | 16:02 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | not nautilus, but same idea | 16:02 |
| DS-McGuire | Sorry guys, I just broke X. | 16:02 |
| JoshStrobl | DS-McGuire, sounds like you need Mir | 16:02 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | switch to mir | 16:02 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | bah | 16:02 |
| JoshStrobl | :D | 16:02 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | you get the points | 16:02 |
| DS-McGuire | You guys!! :L | 16:02 |
| * JoshStrobl gains more Internet Points | 16:02 | |
| oombap | so this will replace nautilus? | 16:03 |
| popey | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-filemanager-planning | 16:03 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | oombap, plausibly! | 16:03 |
| oombap | nice! | 16:03 |
| oombap | can't wait | 16:03 |
| oombap | it should be better than nautilus | 16:04 |
| CarlosMazieri | there is a long path to replace nautilus | 16:04 |
| ajalkane | but perhaps if oombap and other chaps join in the path will be travelled quicker ;) | 16:04 |
| DS-McGuire | Replacing Nautilus is probably one of the hardest tasks. | 16:05 |
| oombap | i'm a taxi driver :D i don't know how can i help :D | 16:05 |
| oombap | free rides in berlin? | 16:05 |
| ajalkane | haha | 16:05 |
| oombap | will you guys drop the gradients in file manager? | 16:06 |
| oombap | a nice solide white would be nice | 16:06 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | So that is what templates are for! | 16:07 |
| ajalkane | I think they're currently dropped at least until toolkit has related bugs fixed | 16:07 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | geepers | 16:07 |
| DS-McGuire | I always thought that was an odd feature... | 16:07 |
| popey | CarlosMazieri: ajalkane are you watching/listening? | 16:08 |
| ajalkane | nope, just ircing | 16:09 |
| popey | because I'm saying things and I don't want to commit you to things :D | 16:09 |
| popey | so the question is about the tasks in the etherpad | 16:09 |
| CarlosMazieri | No, I am at work. | 16:09 |
| popey | we are looking at the tasks and figuring out what the priorities should be on them. | 16:09 |
| phoenixc1der | popey, where can we watch and listen? I'm having trouble getting the link. | 16:10 |
| popey | http://www.youtube.com/embed/2UIjnVv8Cvs | 16:10 |
| popey | let me know if that doesn't work | 16:10 |
| JoshStrobl | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22347/file-manager-planning/ or https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en | 16:10 |
| ajalkane | I'm okay with you people assigning priorities. That's just proper. | 16:10 |
| phoenixc1der | Thank you. This looks right. | 16:11 |
| ajalkane | I'll try joining to watch | 16:11 |
| DS-McGuire | popey, Wasn't there a guy to work on icons? | 16:12 |
| popey | we have a guy working on icons, yes. | 16:14 |
| popey | but I'm keen on community people getting involved there. | 16:14 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | arto o/ | 16:15 |
| DS-McGuire | popey, Is there a tool for creating icons? When Nokia still made the Nokia N9 they had an icon maker that helped make icons and their shapes. | 16:16 |
| popey | not that I'm aware of | 16:16 |
| Guest95291 | QUESTION: do you know if the filemanager would be the default file picking app for other application? | 16:16 |
| DS-McGuire | That's a shame. | 16:17 |
| ajalkane | That was actually third party app, but Ubuntu touch doesn't seem to have any specific shape for icons like N9 had so perhaps a helper app isn't needed? | 16:17 |
| ajalkane | Guest95291: Filemanager can be used to pick files from other applications. That's user's choice. | 16:17 |
| Guest95291 | ok ok | 16:17 |
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| avoine | QUESTION: are you planning to use user directories with localization? (http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/) | 16:21 |
| ajalkane | avoine: there is no bug report for that, so there's no current plans. You could file a bug about it? | 16:23 |
| avoine | sure | 16:23 |
| DS-McGuire | Rosetta just landed guys!! | 16:24 |
| popey | yay | 16:24 |
| DS-McGuire | moving at 34,000mph! | 16:24 |
| ajalkane | Qt provides the Places so the localization might be ok again - listening from the hangouts | 16:24 |
| popey | CarlosMazieri: is samba / nfs support still on your radar, and in progress | 16:25 |
| oombap | meter per hour? | 16:25 |
| CarlosMazieri | Yes, I intend to keep working on it, so far no news | 16:25 |
| popey | ok | 16:26 |
| avoine | ajalkane: about the filemanager as a file picker, is it set to be use for any file format/type? | 16:26 |
| avoine | file preview would be cool | 16:27 |
| ajalkane | avoine: all that are supported by Content-Hub. Bassically a fixed set | 16:27 |
| ajalkane | yes, that would be cool | 16:27 |
| DS-McGuire | How does an iPad do this? | 16:28 |
| ajalkane | it's a pain in iPad | 16:30 |
| DS-McGuire | ajalkane, Oh, I was hoping it was easy or something and we could work similar to that. | 16:31 |
| ajalkane | I heard rumors that Content-Hub will get support for mime types somewhere down the line, so that will make it more powerful | 16:33 |
| avoine | that's great news | 16:34 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | I feel like a newb; that is a mime type? | 16:34 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | o/ | 16:35 |
| ajalkane | a mime type is a string that defines what type a file is | 16:35 |
| ajalkane | for example something like application/text to recognize text files | 16:35 |
| DS-McGuire | WOO! | 16:35 |
| ajalkane | you can use Places bottom pull-up to copy current path | 16:38 |
| seb128 | hey there, just reading the etherpad notes, is "being able to open files" something that has been discussed? | 16:40 |
| ajalkane | seb128: no because I don't think opening of files is issue in the trunk version? | 16:41 |
| seb128 | ajalkane, dunno, I'm using touch rtm | 16:41 |
| ajalkane | yeah the support was fixed some weeks ago so RTM might not have it yet | 16:41 |
| seb128 | k | 16:42 |
| popey | seb128: new version of file manager _just_ published in the store. ☻ | 16:44 |
| seb128 | popey, nice! | 16:44 |
| ajalkane | woo! | 16:44 |
| DS-McGuire | I have it! | 16:45 |
| * seb128 installs | 16:45 | |
| DS-McGuire | Trying it now. | 16:45 |
| seb128 | k, it's working | 16:46 |
| seb128 | the content hub screen is weird though | 16:46 |
| seb128 | white background and no titles | 16:46 |
| seb128 | or it's white on white and they can't be read | 16:46 |
| seb128 | you can see the icons though | 16:46 |
| ajalkane | that kind of live search requires platform support (tracker or some other file indexing database) | 16:46 |
| DS-McGuire | seb128, Argee, the white is a bit odd and there are no names. | 16:47 |
| popey | seb128: i think there's a bug on that which akiva-yellow-roo filed | 16:47 |
| ajalkane | yeah it's, I think, SDK bug... so waiting for resolution for that. But opening files work even if it looks a bit silly ;) | 16:48 |
| DS-McGuire | Show hidden files? | 16:48 |
| CarlosMazieri | yes | 16:48 |
| ajalkane | DS-McGuire: is that gone? | 16:48 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | show hidden is already there | 16:48 |
| JoshStrobl | akiva-yellow-roo, in settings? | 16:48 |
| ajalkane | Should be in view settings | 16:48 |
| JoshStrobl | cool | 16:48 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | JoshStrobl, mmmmm been awhile since I branched it | 16:49 |
| DS-McGuire | ajalkane, It hasn't gone, that is something maybe I would put under show hidden files. | 16:49 |
| JoshStrobl | should still make sure we have a CTRL+H support in File Manager for it | 16:49 |
| popey | yeah, add to the list of keyboard shortcuts ☻ | 16:49 |
| ajalkane | JoshStrobl: yeah... can you add that to the etherpad? | 16:49 |
| popey | ya | 16:49 |
| popey | its there | 16:49 |
| ajalkane | oh added already :) | 16:49 |
| Letozaf_ | QUESTION: at what time do you guys meet on Tuesdays | 16:49 |
| Letozaf_ | ? | 16:49 |
| Letozaf_ | on IRC | 16:50 |
| DS-McGuire | Is the file manager going to be a default app? Or will it be like the terminal where you will have to install it? | 16:50 |
| popey | seb128: are there any killer features of nautilus we're missing in the etherpad? | 16:50 |
| DS-McGuire | Multi tab? | 16:50 |
| JoshStrobl | DS-McGuire, multiple tabs is on the list | 16:50 |
| ajalkane | akiva-yellow-roo: opening files is hard-coded in FileManager | 16:51 |
| DS-McGuire | JoshStrobl, Sweet :) | 16:51 |
| ajalkane | So there's bunch of file extensions that map to Content-Hub types | 16:51 |
| seb128 | popey, I'm looking | 16:51 |
| popey | thanks | 16:51 |
| ajalkane | Basically if you have several PDF viewing applications, then you will get list of them when you click a .pdf file | 16:52 |
| seb128 | popey, type completion would be nice | 16:52 |
| popey | type completion? | 16:53 |
| seb128 | type ahead | 16:53 |
| popey | oh | 16:53 |
| seb128 | being able to type letters on keyboard and have icons matching | 16:53 |
| popey | yeah, agreed | 16:53 |
| popey | thats basically search? | 16:54 |
| popey | the "type in the window" thing nautilus does? | 16:54 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:54 |
| seb128 | search/filtering is a bit different | 16:54 |
| seb128 | type ahead is being about to do | 16:54 |
| popey | yay, on the list | 16:54 |
| seb128 | /us <enter> sh <enter> nau <enter> | 16:54 |
| seb128 | to go to /usr/share/nautilus | 16:54 |
| popey | ah in the CTRL+L field? | 16:55 |
| seb128 | no | 16:55 |
| popey | or in the main window? | 16:55 |
| seb128 | just type | 16:55 |
| seb128 | in the main window | 16:55 |
| popey | right, yes. we should. | 16:55 |
| ajalkane | so that's a desktop feature | 16:55 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:55 |
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| ajalkane | yep definitely needed on desktop | 16:55 |
| ajalkane | no advanced preferences currently | 16:56 |
| ajalkane | there was plans to have "Open Terminal" in there | 16:56 |
| DS-McGuire | Yes. | 16:56 |
| ajalkane | but that wasn't possible | 16:56 |
| CarlosMazieri | terminal needs to accept another directory than 'home' to start from | 16:57 |
| popey | yes, thats going to happen in terminal | 16:57 |
| popey | we're working on that soon. | 16:57 |
| DS-McGuire | Mark is doing his Q&A next: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22395/mark-shuttleworth-qa/ | 16:57 |
| ajalkane | cool, I'm gonna watch some mark | 16:57 |
| popey | thanks guys! | 16:58 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | cool | 16:58 |
| JoshStrobl | same | 16:58 |
| ajalkane | thank you guys, very interesting discussion | 16:58 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | chewbakka in the house | 16:58 |
| DS-McGuire | Thanks guys!! | 16:58 |
| CarlosMazieri | Thank you all. | 16:58 |
| avoine | indeed very interesting | 16:58 |
| avoine | thanks! | 16:58 |
| sialamucha | thanks guys! | 16:59 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | thanks | 16:59 |
| akiva-yellow-roo | was fun | 16:59 |
| popey | \o/ | 16:59 |
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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | Ubuntu Developer Tools Center: community input | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22331/ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input/ | ||
| willcooke | This may or may not be the hangout on air link: | 17:55 |
| willcooke | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_MCJPuCceE | 17:56 |
| willcooke | hey aquarius | 17:58 |
| willcooke | We're waiting for a couple of presenters to arrive, will get started soon... | 18:00 |
| aquarius | ohai willcooke | 18:02 |
| willcooke | aquarius, you get the link? | 18:02 |
| aquarius | link? | 18:02 |
| aquarius | you want me *in* the session? Sure | 18:02 |
| aquarius | I have to bail a tiny bit early | 18:03 |
| willcooke | thats fine | 18:03 |
| willcooke | not long now all | 18:03 |
| willcooke | ok | 18:04 |
| didrocks | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input | 18:05 |
| * mhall119 was in the wrong room | 18:06 | |
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| akiva-is-yellow | yeah! | 18:09 |
| akiva-is-yellow | good goal | 18:09 |
| didrocks | https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center | 18:13 |
| akiva-is-yellow | I have barely heard of this; and it wasn't clear to me what this was at the beginning. | 18:17 |
| CheeseBurg | same | 18:17 |
| CheeseBurg | My question is how up to date will software downloaded through this will be | 18:18 |
| willcooke | CheeseBurg, as up to date as exists on the "source" | 18:18 |
| willcooke | that's one of the main goals | 18:18 |
| CheeseBurg | Will it auto update or is it connected to releases like software downloaded through the Ubuntu sotre | 18:18 |
| willcooke | keep the IDEs etc up-to-date without being tied to a new release of Ubuntu | 18:19 |
| CheeseBurg | willcooke: Thanks, good to know | 18:19 |
| willcooke | CheeseBurg, it pulls it down from the main provider, not the software centre | 18:19 |
| CheeseBurg | willcooke: Quick question, is the long term goal for creators of this software to add their stuff OR is there a team who does this? | 18:20 |
| willcooke | long term, it would be great if upstream would provide integrations for us (it's very easy) | 18:21 |
| willcooke | but short term, we expect to do the work | 18:21 |
| akiva-is-yellow | Occassionally I get questions as to what is the best python ide; I use geany... | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | +1 geany, it's not so much an IDE, but it's a great programming editor | 18:21 |
| akiva-is-yellow | but I do not know if it is best. Is this something this could tackle? | 18:21 |
| akiva-is-yellow | true | 18:21 |
| akiva-is-yellow | the ubuntu sdk has very mild python support; is this planned to be expanded? | 18:22 |
| CheeseBurg | You guys should be pimping this more. This will really help out development | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | akiva-is-yellow: it depends on upstream QtCreator, but I don't think so | 18:22 |
| willcooke | CheeseBurg, please help with the pimping :) | 18:23 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, would be nice to have an icon | 18:23 |
| akiva-is-yellow | i'll place it on r/ubuntuappdev | 18:23 |
| CheeseBurg | willcooke: If you have oracle java then I have people who will love this | 18:24 |
| akiva-is-yellow | is there an ide that can build python projects? | 18:24 |
| willcooke | CheeseBurg, I've added it to the list | 18:24 |
| CheeseBurg | akiva-is-yellow: I have only seen one python ide and it is from the intellij guys | 18:24 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, link? I'd like to test it | 18:25 |
| CheeseBurg | willcooke: I'm sold then. | 18:25 |
| willcooke | :) | 18:25 |
| akiva-is-yellow | lol! | 18:27 |
| jrwren | YES! Love this. | 18:27 |
| akiva-is-yellow | Fun way to bork your sdk | 18:28 |
| CheeseBurg | akiva-is-yellow: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/ | 18:28 |
| akiva-is-yellow | run "sudo ubuntu-sdk" | 18:28 |
| CheeseBurg | havent used it tho | 18:28 |
| akiva-is-yellow | lol | 18:28 |
| jrwren | error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PKGNAME': Permission denied | 18:30 |
| didrocks | jrwren: yeah, just tried it as well | 18:30 |
| willcooke | symlinks FTW | 18:30 |
| akiva-is-yellow | ha ha | 18:30 |
| akiva-is-yellow | oh my I am so glad I came to this meeting | 18:31 |
| jrwren | we should get more python libs packaged into universe | 18:31 |
| akiva-is-yellow | Quote: "At the moment we do "Punch people in the face" out of the box". | 18:33 |
| jrwren | in pips defense, it doesn't install to system, it installs to /usr/local/ | 18:33 |
| didrocks | jrwren: yeah, but it's still available at a system level | 18:36 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, ah gross... JDK required... | 18:37 |
| CheeseBurg | akiva-is-yellow: Yea all their stuff it is | 18:37 |
| CheeseBurg | its hard to find a ide that isnt tho | 18:38 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, Qtcreator maybe should then just be extended | 18:38 |
| akiva-is-yellow | I mean pyqt is a big thing | 18:39 |
| CheeseBurg | I agree but it probably won't be done | 18:40 |
| CheeseBurg | They are busy enough working on qt itself | 18:40 |
| CheeseBurg | and Canonical is focusing more on Go | 18:40 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, yah busy is the key word here | 18:41 |
| akiva-is-yellow | and Go is more interesting. | 18:41 |
| akiva-is-yellow | this or Geany could be extended to do project files. | 18:42 |
| akiva-is-yellow | that shouldnt be too difficult. | 18:42 |
| CheeseBurg | But geany isnt an ide, it is an text editor | 18:42 |
| CheeseBurg | making an editor into an ide is super complex | 18:42 |
| CheeseBurg | it is why it hasnt been done yet | 18:43 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, it already supports autocomplete, syntax highlighting, indenting | 18:43 |
| CheeseBurg | ^true | 18:43 |
| CheeseBurg | but the rest is a lot more complex | 18:43 |
| akiva-is-yellow | all it would need imo, is need a sidebar that can keep track of files in a project. | 18:43 |
| CheeseBurg | that is why most new ides are based on eclipse | 18:43 |
| CheeseBurg | akiva-is-yellow: isnt that jsut an addon? | 18:44 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, I don't know; if it exists; I'd take it. | 18:44 |
| akiva-is-yellow | I mean; pardon my ignorance; but what else does a python ide need? | 18:44 |
| didrocks | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input | 18:45 |
| CheeseBurg | akiva-is-yellow: wrong person to ask. but I was once looking for a python ide too. I just learned to love sublime text instead | 18:46 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, $ | 18:46 |
| akiva-is-yellow | I hear sublime is cool though | 18:46 |
| akiva-is-yellow | I'd like to try it some time | 18:46 |
| CheeseBurg | akiva-is-yellow: You can use it for free for a while | 18:47 |
| CheeseBurg | try it for a week or so | 18:47 |
| CheeseBurg | its like notepad++ but much better | 18:47 |
| akiva-is-yellow | CheeseBurg, does it do python projects? | 18:47 |
| * akiva-is-yellow is very meh on notepad++ | 18:48 | |
| CheeseBurg | its just for write code so it does just about everything | 18:48 |
| CheeseBurg | does not compile code at all | 18:48 |
| CheeseBurg | but has syntax highlighting and such | 18:48 |
| akiva-is-yellow | ha ha | 18:49 |
| akiva-is-yellow | lol | 18:49 |
| willcooke | questions from IRC anyone? | 18:49 |
| willcooke | we're getting towards wrap up | 18:49 |
| akiva-is-yellow | QUESTION: Icon for this app? | 18:49 |
| akiva-is-yellow | QUESTION: Will all programming languages be supported? | 18:50 |
| akiva-is-yellow | QUESTION: Developer tools beyond the IDEs? For example; bundling shutter for screenshotting? Bazaar explorer? | 18:51 |
| CheeseBurg | QUESTION: Will Unity 8 have this as well? | 18:52 |
| willcooke | CheeseBurg, eventually, yes | 18:53 |
| CheeseBurg | willcooke: OK good | 18:53 |
| didrocks | thanks everyone! | 18:54 |
| akiva-is-yellow | I'm willing to get involved but I am still at a loss as to exactly what the roadmap looks like | 18:54 |
| akiva-is-yellow | Can I put the t-shirt competition on ubuntuappdev irc? | 18:54 |
| akiva-is-yellow | or are you guys being facetious? | 18:54 |
| akiva-is-yellow | not irc, reddit* | 18:55 |
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