=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/appdev-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/12/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-2.html === dpm_ is now known as dpm === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | File Manager Planning | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22347/file-manager-planning/ [15:57] hey all [15:57] stop stalking me akiva-thinkpad! [15:57] :D [15:57] ha [15:57] no [15:57] . [15:57] hey all [15:57] hey chicken chaser [15:57] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en is the hangout URL if people want to join [15:57] hello === akiva-thinkpad is now known as akiva-yellow-roo [15:58] sudo apt-get install mc [15:58] hello guys [15:58] Eyo [15:59] hey Letozaf_ [15:59] :D [15:59] Letozaf_: ajalkane: CarlosMazieri https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en [15:59] if you're able to join [15:59] hello all [15:59] howdy [15:59] ajalkane, o/ [16:00] hi yellow akiva [16:00] hey [16:00] don't be jelly [16:00] should be live now [16:00] We are live! [16:02] nautilus? [16:02] oombap, new [16:02] not nautilus, but same idea [16:02] Sorry guys, I just broke X. [16:02] DS-McGuire, sounds like you need Mir [16:02] switch to mir [16:02] bah [16:02] :D [16:02] you get the points [16:02] You guys!! :L [16:02] * JoshStrobl gains more Internet Points [16:03] so this will replace nautilus? [16:03] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-filemanager-planning [16:03] oombap, plausibly! [16:03] nice! [16:03] can't wait [16:04] it should be better than nautilus [16:04] there is a long path to replace nautilus [16:04] but perhaps if oombap and other chaps join in the path will be travelled quicker ;) [16:05] Replacing Nautilus is probably one of the hardest tasks. [16:05] i'm a taxi driver :D i don't know how can i help :D [16:05] free rides in berlin? [16:05] haha [16:06] will you guys drop the gradients in file manager? [16:06] a nice solide white would be nice [16:07] So that is what templates are for! [16:07] I think they're currently dropped at least until toolkit has related bugs fixed [16:07] geepers [16:07] I always thought that was an odd feature... [16:08] CarlosMazieri: ajalkane are you watching/listening? [16:09] nope, just ircing [16:09] because I'm saying things and I don't want to commit you to things :D [16:09] so the question is about the tasks in the etherpad [16:09] No, I am at work. [16:09] we are looking at the tasks and figuring out what the priorities should be on them. [16:10] popey, where can we watch and listen? I'm having trouble getting the link. [16:10] http://www.youtube.com/embed/2UIjnVv8Cvs [16:10] let me know if that doesn't work [16:10] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22347/file-manager-planning/ or https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en [16:10] I'm okay with you people assigning priorities. That's just proper. [16:11] Thank you. This looks right. [16:11] I'll try joining to watch [16:12] popey, Wasn't there a guy to work on icons? [16:14] we have a guy working on icons, yes. [16:14] but I'm keen on community people getting involved there. [16:15] arto o/ [16:16] popey, Is there a tool for creating icons? When Nokia still made the Nokia N9 they had an icon maker that helped make icons and their shapes. [16:16] not that I'm aware of [16:16] QUESTION: do you know if the filemanager would be the default file picking app for other application? [16:17] That's a shame. [16:17] That was actually third party app, but Ubuntu touch doesn't seem to have any specific shape for icons like N9 had so perhaps a helper app isn't needed? [16:17] Guest95291: Filemanager can be used to pick files from other applications. That's user's choice. [16:17] ok ok === Guest95291 is now known as avoine [16:21] QUESTION: are you planning to use user directories with localization? (http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/) [16:23] avoine: there is no bug report for that, so there's no current plans. You could file a bug about it? [16:23] sure [16:24] Rosetta just landed guys!! [16:24] yay [16:24] moving at 34,000mph! [16:24] Qt provides the Places so the localization might be ok again - listening from the hangouts [16:25] CarlosMazieri: is samba / nfs support still on your radar, and in progress [16:25] meter per hour? [16:25] Yes, I intend to keep working on it, so far no news [16:26] ok [16:26] ajalkane: about the filemanager as a file picker, is it set to be use for any file format/type? [16:27] file preview would be cool [16:27] avoine: all that are supported by Content-Hub. Bassically a fixed set [16:27] yes, that would be cool [16:28] How does an iPad do this? [16:30] it's a pain in iPad [16:31] ajalkane, Oh, I was hoping it was easy or something and we could work similar to that. [16:33] I heard rumors that Content-Hub will get support for mime types somewhere down the line, so that will make it more powerful [16:34] that's great news [16:34] I feel like a newb; that is a mime type? [16:35] o/ [16:35] a mime type is a string that defines what type a file is [16:35] for example something like application/text to recognize text files [16:35] WOO! [16:38] you can use Places bottom pull-up to copy current path [16:40] hey there, just reading the etherpad notes, is "being able to open files" something that has been discussed? [16:41] seb128: no because I don't think opening of files is issue in the trunk version? [16:41] ajalkane, dunno, I'm using touch rtm [16:41] yeah the support was fixed some weeks ago so RTM might not have it yet [16:42] k [16:44] seb128: new version of file manager _just_ published in the store. ☻ [16:44] popey, nice! [16:44] woo! [16:45] I have it! [16:45] * seb128 installs [16:45] Trying it now. [16:46] k, it's working [16:46] the content hub screen is weird though [16:46] white background and no titles [16:46] or it's white on white and they can't be read [16:46] you can see the icons though [16:46] that kind of live search requires platform support (tracker or some other file indexing database) [16:47] seb128, Argee, the white is a bit odd and there are no names. [16:47] seb128: i think there's a bug on that which akiva-yellow-roo filed [16:48] yeah it's, I think, SDK bug... so waiting for resolution for that. But opening files work even if it looks a bit silly ;) [16:48] Show hidden files? [16:48] yes [16:48] DS-McGuire: is that gone? [16:48] show hidden is already there [16:48] akiva-yellow-roo, in settings? [16:48] Should be in view settings [16:48] cool [16:49] JoshStrobl, mmmmm been awhile since I branched it [16:49] ajalkane, It hasn't gone, that is something maybe I would put under show hidden files. [16:49] should still make sure we have a CTRL+H support in File Manager for it [16:49] yeah, add to the list of keyboard shortcuts ☻ [16:49] JoshStrobl: yeah... can you add that to the etherpad? [16:49] ya [16:49] its there [16:49] oh added already :) [16:49] QUESTION: at what time do you guys meet on Tuesdays [16:49] ? [16:50] on IRC [16:50] Is the file manager going to be a default app? Or will it be like the terminal where you will have to install it? [16:50] seb128: are there any killer features of nautilus we're missing in the etherpad? [16:50] Multi tab? [16:50] DS-McGuire, multiple tabs is on the list [16:51] akiva-yellow-roo: opening files is hard-coded in FileManager [16:51] JoshStrobl, Sweet :) [16:51] So there's bunch of file extensions that map to Content-Hub types [16:51] popey, I'm looking [16:51] thanks [16:52] Basically if you have several PDF viewing applications, then you will get list of them when you click a .pdf file [16:52] popey, type completion would be nice [16:53] type completion? [16:53] type ahead [16:53] oh [16:53] being able to type letters on keyboard and have icons matching [16:53] yeah, agreed [16:54] thats basically search? [16:54] the "type in the window" thing nautilus does? [16:54] yes [16:54] search/filtering is a bit different [16:54] type ahead is being about to do [16:54] yay, on the list [16:54] /us sh nau [16:54] to go to /usr/share/nautilus [16:55] ah in the CTRL+L field? [16:55] no [16:55] or in the main window? [16:55] just type [16:55] in the main window [16:55] right, yes. we should. [16:55] so that's a desktop feature [16:55] yes === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/appdev-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/12/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-2.html [16:55] yep definitely needed on desktop [16:56] no advanced preferences currently [16:56] there was plans to have "Open Terminal" in there [16:56] Yes. [16:56] but that wasn't possible [16:57] terminal needs to accept another directory than 'home' to start from [16:57] yes, thats going to happen in terminal [16:57] we're working on that soon. [16:57] Mark is doing his Q&A next: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22395/mark-shuttleworth-qa/ [16:57] cool, I'm gonna watch some mark [16:58] thanks guys! [16:58] cool [16:58] same [16:58] thank you guys, very interesting discussion [16:58] chewbakka in the house [16:58] Thanks guys!! [16:58] Thank you all. [16:58] indeed very interesting [16:58] thanks! [16:59] thanks guys! [16:59] thanks [16:59] was fun [16:59] \o/ === akiva-yellow-roo is now known as akiva-is-yellow === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | Ubuntu Developer Tools Center: community input | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22331/ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input/ [17:55] This may or may not be the hangout on air link: [17:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_MCJPuCceE [17:58] hey aquarius [18:00] We're waiting for a couple of presenters to arrive, will get started soon... [18:02] ohai willcooke [18:02] aquarius, you get the link? [18:02] link? [18:02] you want me *in* the session? Sure [18:03] I have to bail a tiny bit early [18:03] thats fine [18:03] not long now all [18:04] ok [18:05] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input [18:06] * mhall119 was in the wrong room === drc is now known as Guest52315 [18:09] yeah! [18:09] good goal [18:13] https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center [18:17] I have barely heard of this; and it wasn't clear to me what this was at the beginning. [18:17] same [18:18] My question is how up to date will software downloaded through this will be [18:18] CheeseBurg, as up to date as exists on the "source" [18:18] that's one of the main goals [18:18] Will it auto update or is it connected to releases like software downloaded through the Ubuntu sotre [18:19] keep the IDEs etc up-to-date without being tied to a new release of Ubuntu [18:19] willcooke: Thanks, good to know [18:19] CheeseBurg, it pulls it down from the main provider, not the software centre [18:20] willcooke: Quick question, is the long term goal for creators of this software to add their stuff OR is there a team who does this? [18:21] long term, it would be great if upstream would provide integrations for us (it's very easy) [18:21] but short term, we expect to do the work [18:21] Occassionally I get questions as to what is the best python ide; I use geany... [18:21] +1 geany, it's not so much an IDE, but it's a great programming editor [18:21] but I do not know if it is best. Is this something this could tackle? [18:21] true [18:22] the ubuntu sdk has very mild python support; is this planned to be expanded? [18:22] You guys should be pimping this more. This will really help out development [18:22] akiva-is-yellow: it depends on upstream QtCreator, but I don't think so [18:23] CheeseBurg, please help with the pimping :) [18:23] CheeseBurg, would be nice to have an icon [18:23] i'll place it on r/ubuntuappdev [18:24] willcooke: If you have oracle java then I have people who will love this [18:24] is there an ide that can build python projects? [18:24] CheeseBurg, I've added it to the list [18:24] akiva-is-yellow: I have only seen one python ide and it is from the intellij guys [18:25] CheeseBurg, link? I'd like to test it [18:25] willcooke: I'm sold then. [18:25] :) [18:27] lol! [18:27] YES! Love this. [18:28] Fun way to bork your sdk [18:28] akiva-is-yellow: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/ [18:28] run "sudo ubuntu-sdk" [18:28] havent used it tho [18:28] lol [18:30] error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PKGNAME': Permission denied [18:30] jrwren: yeah, just tried it as well [18:30] symlinks FTW [18:30] ha ha [18:31] oh my I am so glad I came to this meeting [18:31] we should get more python libs packaged into universe [18:33] Quote: "At the moment we do "Punch people in the face" out of the box". [18:33] in pips defense, it doesn't install to system, it installs to /usr/local/ [18:36] jrwren: yeah, but it's still available at a system level [18:37] CheeseBurg, ah gross... JDK required... [18:37] akiva-is-yellow: Yea all their stuff it is [18:38] its hard to find a ide that isnt tho [18:38] CheeseBurg, Qtcreator maybe should then just be extended [18:39] I mean pyqt is a big thing [18:40] I agree but it probably won't be done [18:40] They are busy enough working on qt itself [18:40] and Canonical is focusing more on Go [18:41] CheeseBurg, yah busy is the key word here [18:41] and Go is more interesting. [18:42] this or Geany could be extended to do project files. [18:42] that shouldnt be too difficult. [18:42] But geany isnt an ide, it is an text editor [18:42] making an editor into an ide is super complex [18:43] it is why it hasnt been done yet [18:43] CheeseBurg, it already supports autocomplete, syntax highlighting, indenting [18:43] ^true [18:43] but the rest is a lot more complex [18:43] all it would need imo, is need a sidebar that can keep track of files in a project. [18:43] that is why most new ides are based on eclipse [18:44] akiva-is-yellow: isnt that jsut an addon? [18:44] CheeseBurg, I don't know; if it exists; I'd take it. [18:44] I mean; pardon my ignorance; but what else does a python ide need? [18:45] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input [18:46] akiva-is-yellow: wrong person to ask. but I was once looking for a python ide too. I just learned to love sublime text instead [18:46] CheeseBurg, $ [18:46] I hear sublime is cool though [18:46] I'd like to try it some time [18:47] akiva-is-yellow: You can use it for free for a while [18:47] try it for a week or so [18:47] its like notepad++ but much better [18:47] CheeseBurg, does it do python projects? [18:48] * akiva-is-yellow is very meh on notepad++ [18:48] its just for write code so it does just about everything [18:48] does not compile code at all [18:48] but has syntax highlighting and such [18:49] ha ha [18:49] lol [18:49] questions from IRC anyone? [18:49] we're getting towards wrap up [18:49] QUESTION: Icon for this app? [18:50] QUESTION: Will all programming languages be supported? [18:51] QUESTION: Developer tools beyond the IDEs? For example; bundling shutter for screenshotting? Bazaar explorer? [18:52] QUESTION: Will Unity 8 have this as well? [18:53] CheeseBurg, eventually, yes [18:53] willcooke: OK good [18:54] thanks everyone! [18:54] I'm willing to get involved but I am still at a loss as to exactly what the roadmap looks like [18:54] Can I put the t-shirt competition on ubuntuappdev irc? [18:54] or are you guys being facetious? [18:55] not irc, reddit* === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/appdev-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/12/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-2.html === dpm is now known as dpm-afk