[15:57] <akiva-thinkpad> hey all
[15:57] <JoshStrobl> stop stalking me akiva-thinkpad!
[15:57] <JoshStrobl> :D
[15:57] <akiva-thinkpad> ha
[15:57] <akiva-thinkpad> no
[15:57] <akiva-thinkpad> .
[15:57] <popey> hey all
[15:57] <JoshStrobl> hey chicken chaser
[15:57] <popey> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en is the hangout URL if people want to join
[15:57] <CarlosMazieri> hello
[15:58] <oombap> sudo apt-get install mc
[15:58] <Letozaf_> hello guys
[15:58] <akiva-yellow-roo> Eyo
[15:59] <popey> hey Letozaf_
[15:59] <Letozaf_> :D
[15:59] <popey> Letozaf_: ajalkane: CarlosMazieri https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:59] <popey> if you're able to join
[15:59] <CarlosMazieri> hello all
[15:59] <ajalkane> howdy
[15:59] <akiva-yellow-roo> ajalkane, o/
[16:00] <ajalkane> hi yellow akiva
[16:00] <akiva-yellow-roo> hey
[16:00] <akiva-yellow-roo> don't be jelly
[16:00] <popey> should be live now
[16:00] <JoshStrobl> We are live!
[16:02] <oombap> nautilus?
[16:02] <akiva-yellow-roo> oombap, new
[16:02] <akiva-yellow-roo> not nautilus, but same idea
[16:02] <DS-McGuire> Sorry guys, I just broke X.
[16:02] <JoshStrobl> DS-McGuire, sounds like you need Mir
[16:02] <akiva-yellow-roo> switch to mir
[16:02] <akiva-yellow-roo> bah
[16:02] <JoshStrobl> :D
[16:02] <akiva-yellow-roo> you get the points
[16:02] <DS-McGuire> You guys!! :L
[16:02]  * JoshStrobl gains more Internet Points
[16:03] <oombap> so this will replace nautilus?
[16:03] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-filemanager-planning
[16:03] <akiva-yellow-roo> oombap, plausibly!
[16:03] <oombap> nice!
[16:03] <oombap> can't wait
[16:04] <oombap> it should be better than nautilus
[16:04] <CarlosMazieri> there is a long path to replace nautilus
[16:04] <ajalkane> but perhaps if oombap and other chaps join in the path will be travelled quicker ;)
[16:05] <DS-McGuire> Replacing Nautilus is probably one of the hardest tasks.
[16:05] <oombap> i'm a taxi driver :D i don't know how can i help :D
[16:05] <oombap> free rides in berlin?
[16:05] <ajalkane> haha
[16:06] <oombap> will you guys drop the gradients in file manager?
[16:06] <oombap> a nice solide white would be nice
[16:07] <akiva-yellow-roo> So that is what templates are for!
[16:07] <ajalkane> I think they're currently dropped at least until toolkit has related bugs fixed
[16:07] <akiva-yellow-roo> geepers
[16:07] <DS-McGuire> I always thought that was an odd feature...
[16:08] <popey> CarlosMazieri: ajalkane are you watching/listening?
[16:09] <ajalkane> nope, just ircing
[16:09] <popey> because I'm saying things and I don't want to commit you to things :D
[16:09] <popey> so the question is about the tasks in the etherpad
[16:09] <CarlosMazieri> No, I am at work.
[16:09] <popey> we are looking at the tasks and figuring out what the priorities should be on them.
[16:10] <phoenixc1der> popey, where can we watch and listen?  I'm having trouble getting the link.
[16:10] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/embed/2UIjnVv8Cvs
[16:10] <popey> let me know if that doesn't work
[16:10] <JoshStrobl> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22347/file-manager-planning/ or https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfSLFB3Q1KbyJ94GfaXPpozfAoS3Bo3ORtNEmtAhFOBRxDgZA?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:10] <ajalkane> I'm okay with you people assigning priorities. That's just proper.
[16:11] <phoenixc1der> Thank you.  This looks right.
[16:11] <ajalkane> I'll try joining to watch
[16:12] <DS-McGuire> popey, Wasn't there a guy to work on icons?
[16:14] <popey> we have a guy working on icons, yes.
[16:14] <popey> but I'm keen on community people getting involved there.
[16:15] <akiva-yellow-roo> arto o/
[16:16] <DS-McGuire> popey, Is there a tool for creating icons? When Nokia still made the Nokia N9 they had an icon maker that helped make icons and their shapes.
[16:16] <popey> not that I'm aware of
[16:16] <Guest95291> QUESTION: do you know if the filemanager would be the default file picking app for other application?
[16:17] <DS-McGuire> That's a shame.
[16:17] <ajalkane> That was actually third party app, but Ubuntu touch doesn't seem to have any specific shape for icons like N9 had so perhaps a helper app isn't needed?
[16:17] <ajalkane> Guest95291: Filemanager can be used to pick files from other applications. That's user's choice.
[16:17] <Guest95291> ok ok
[16:21] <avoine> QUESTION: are you planning to use user directories with localization? (http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/)
[16:23] <ajalkane> avoine: there is no bug report for that, so there's no current plans. You could file a bug about it?
[16:23] <avoine> sure
[16:24] <DS-McGuire> Rosetta just landed guys!!
[16:24] <popey> yay
[16:24] <DS-McGuire> moving at 34,000mph!
[16:24] <ajalkane> Qt provides the Places so the localization might be ok again - listening from the hangouts
[16:25] <popey> CarlosMazieri: is samba / nfs support still on your radar, and in progress
[16:25] <oombap> meter per hour?
[16:25] <CarlosMazieri> Yes, I intend to keep working on it, so far no news
[16:26] <popey> ok
[16:26] <avoine> ajalkane: about the filemanager as a file picker, is it set to be use for any file format/type?
[16:27] <avoine> file preview would be cool
[16:27] <ajalkane> avoine: all that are supported by Content-Hub. Bassically a fixed set
[16:27] <ajalkane> yes, that would be cool
[16:28] <DS-McGuire> How does an iPad do this?
[16:30] <ajalkane> it's a pain in iPad
[16:31] <DS-McGuire> ajalkane, Oh, I was hoping it was easy or something and we could work similar to that.
[16:33] <ajalkane> I heard rumors that Content-Hub will get support for mime types somewhere down the line, so that will make it more powerful
[16:34] <avoine> that's great news
[16:34] <akiva-yellow-roo> I feel like a newb; that is a mime type?
[16:35] <akiva-yellow-roo> o/
[16:35] <ajalkane> a mime type is a string that defines what type a file is
[16:35] <ajalkane> for example something like application/text to recognize text files
[16:35] <DS-McGuire> WOO!
[16:38] <ajalkane> you can use Places bottom pull-up to copy current path
[16:40] <seb128> hey there, just reading the etherpad notes, is "being able to open files" something that has been discussed?
[16:41] <ajalkane> seb128: no because I don't think opening of files is issue in the trunk version?
[16:41] <seb128> ajalkane, dunno, I'm using touch rtm
[16:41] <ajalkane> yeah the support was fixed some weeks ago so RTM might not have it yet
[16:42] <seb128> k
[16:44] <popey> seb128: new version of file manager _just_ published in the store. ☻
[16:44] <seb128> popey, nice!
[16:44] <ajalkane> woo!
[16:45] <DS-McGuire> I have it!
[16:45]  * seb128 installs
[16:45] <DS-McGuire> Trying it now.
[16:46] <seb128> k, it's working
[16:46] <seb128> the content hub screen is weird though
[16:46] <seb128> white background and no titles
[16:46] <seb128> or it's white on white and they can't be read
[16:46] <seb128> you can see the icons though
[16:46] <ajalkane> that kind of live search requires platform support (tracker or some other file indexing database)
[16:47] <DS-McGuire> seb128, Argee, the white is a bit odd and there are no names.
[16:47] <popey> seb128: i think there's a bug on that which akiva-yellow-roo filed
[16:48] <ajalkane> yeah it's, I think, SDK bug... so waiting for resolution for that. But opening files work even if it looks a bit silly ;)
[16:48] <DS-McGuire> Show hidden files?
[16:48] <CarlosMazieri> yes
[16:48] <ajalkane> DS-McGuire: is that gone?
[16:48] <akiva-yellow-roo> show hidden is already there
[16:48] <JoshStrobl> akiva-yellow-roo, in settings?
[16:48] <ajalkane> Should be in view settings
[16:48] <JoshStrobl> cool
[16:49] <akiva-yellow-roo> JoshStrobl, mmmmm been awhile since I branched it
[16:49] <DS-McGuire> ajalkane, It hasn't gone, that is something maybe I would put under show hidden files.
[16:49] <JoshStrobl> should still make sure we have a CTRL+H support in File Manager for it
[16:49] <popey> yeah, add to the list of keyboard shortcuts ☻
[16:49] <ajalkane> JoshStrobl: yeah... can you add that to the etherpad?
[16:49] <popey> ya
[16:49] <popey> its there
[16:49] <ajalkane> oh added already :)
[16:49] <Letozaf_> QUESTION: at what time do you guys meet on Tuesdays
[16:49] <Letozaf_> ?
[16:50] <Letozaf_> on IRC
[16:50] <DS-McGuire> Is the file manager going to be a default app? Or will it be like the terminal where you will have to install it?
[16:50] <popey> seb128: are there any killer features of nautilus we're missing in the etherpad?
[16:50] <DS-McGuire> Multi tab?
[16:50] <JoshStrobl> DS-McGuire, multiple tabs is on the list
[16:51] <ajalkane> akiva-yellow-roo: opening files is hard-coded in FileManager
[16:51] <DS-McGuire> JoshStrobl, Sweet :)
[16:51] <ajalkane> So there's bunch of file extensions that map to Content-Hub types
[16:51] <seb128> popey, I'm looking
[16:51] <popey> thanks
[16:52] <ajalkane> Basically if you have several PDF viewing applications, then you will get list of them when you click a .pdf file
[16:52] <seb128> popey, type completion would be nice
[16:53] <popey> type completion?
[16:53] <seb128> type ahead
[16:53] <popey> oh
[16:53] <seb128> being able to type letters on keyboard and have icons matching
[16:53] <popey> yeah, agreed
[16:54] <popey> thats basically search?
[16:54] <popey> the "type in the window" thing nautilus does?
[16:54] <seb128> yes
[16:54] <seb128> search/filtering is a bit different
[16:54] <seb128> type ahead is being about to do
[16:54] <popey> yay, on the list
[16:54] <seb128>  /us <enter> sh <enter> nau <enter>
[16:54] <seb128> to go to /usr/share/nautilus
[16:55] <popey> ah in the CTRL+L field?
[16:55] <seb128> no
[16:55] <popey> or in the main window?
[16:55] <seb128> just type
[16:55] <seb128> in the main window
[16:55] <popey> right, yes. we should.
[16:55] <ajalkane> so that's a desktop feature
[16:55] <seb128> yes
[16:55] <ajalkane> yep definitely needed on desktop
[16:56] <ajalkane> no advanced preferences currently
[16:56] <ajalkane> there was plans to have "Open Terminal" in there
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> Yes.
[16:56] <ajalkane> but that wasn't possible
[16:57] <CarlosMazieri> terminal needs to accept  another directory than 'home' to start from
[16:57] <popey> yes, thats going to happen in terminal
[16:57] <popey> we're working on that soon.
[16:57] <DS-McGuire> Mark is doing his Q&A next: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22395/mark-shuttleworth-qa/
[16:57] <ajalkane> cool, I'm gonna watch some mark
[16:58] <popey> thanks guys!
[16:58] <akiva-yellow-roo> cool
[16:58] <JoshStrobl> same
[16:58] <ajalkane> thank you guys, very interesting discussion
[16:58] <akiva-yellow-roo> chewbakka in the house
[16:58] <DS-McGuire> Thanks guys!!
[16:58] <CarlosMazieri> Thank you all.
[16:58] <avoine> indeed very interesting
[16:58] <avoine> thanks!
[16:59] <sialamucha> thanks guys!
[16:59] <akiva-yellow-roo> thanks
[16:59] <akiva-yellow-roo> was fun
[16:59] <popey> \o/
[17:55] <willcooke> This may or may not be the hangout on air link:
[17:56] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_MCJPuCceE
[17:58] <willcooke> hey aquarius
[18:00] <willcooke> We're waiting for a couple of presenters to arrive, will get started soon...
[18:02] <aquarius> ohai willcooke
[18:02] <willcooke> aquarius, you get the link?
[18:02] <aquarius> link?
[18:02] <aquarius> you want me *in* the session? Sure
[18:03] <aquarius> I have to bail a tiny bit early
[18:03] <willcooke> thats fine
[18:03] <willcooke> not long now all
[18:04] <willcooke> ok
[18:05] <didrocks> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input
[18:06]  * mhall119 was in the wrong room
[18:09] <akiva-is-yellow> yeah!
[18:09] <akiva-is-yellow> good goal
[18:13] <didrocks> https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center
[18:17] <akiva-is-yellow> I have barely heard of this; and it wasn't clear to me what this was at the beginning.
[18:17] <CheeseBurg> same
[18:18] <CheeseBurg> My question is how up to date will software downloaded through this will be
[18:18] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, as up to date as exists on the "source"
[18:18] <willcooke> that's one of the main goals
[18:18] <CheeseBurg> Will it auto update or is it connected to releases like software downloaded through the Ubuntu sotre
[18:19] <willcooke> keep the IDEs etc up-to-date without being tied to a new release of Ubuntu
[18:19] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: Thanks, good to know
[18:19] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, it pulls it down from the main provider, not the software centre
[18:20] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: Quick question, is the long term goal for creators of this software to add their stuff OR is there a team who does this?
[18:21] <willcooke> long term, it would be great if upstream would provide integrations for us (it's very easy)
[18:21] <willcooke> but short term, we expect to do the work
[18:21] <akiva-is-yellow> Occassionally I get questions as to what is the best python ide; I use geany...
[18:21] <mhall119> +1 geany, it's not so much an IDE, but it's a great programming editor
[18:21] <akiva-is-yellow> but I do not know if it is best. Is this something this could tackle?
[18:21] <akiva-is-yellow> true
[18:22] <akiva-is-yellow> the ubuntu sdk has very mild python support; is this planned to be expanded?
[18:22] <CheeseBurg> You guys should be pimping this more. This will really help out development
[18:22] <mhall119> akiva-is-yellow: it depends on upstream QtCreator, but I don't think so
[18:23] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, please help with the pimping :)
[18:23] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, would be nice to have an icon
[18:23] <akiva-is-yellow> i'll place it on r/ubuntuappdev
[18:24] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: If you have oracle java then I have people who will love this
[18:24] <akiva-is-yellow> is there an ide that can build python projects?
[18:24] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, I've added it to the list
[18:24] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: I have only seen one python ide and it is from the intellij guys
[18:25] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, link? I'd like to test it
[18:25] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: I'm sold then.
[18:25] <willcooke> :)
[18:27] <akiva-is-yellow> lol!
[18:27] <jrwren> YES! Love this.
[18:28] <akiva-is-yellow> Fun way to bork your sdk
[18:28] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/
[18:28] <akiva-is-yellow> run "sudo ubuntu-sdk"
[18:28] <CheeseBurg> havent used it tho
[18:28] <akiva-is-yellow> lol
[18:30] <jrwren> error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PKGNAME': Permission denied
[18:30] <didrocks> jrwren: yeah, just tried it as well
[18:30] <willcooke> symlinks FTW
[18:30] <akiva-is-yellow> ha ha
[18:31] <akiva-is-yellow> oh my I am so glad I came to this meeting
[18:31] <jrwren> we should get more python libs packaged into universe
[18:33] <akiva-is-yellow> Quote: "At the moment we do "Punch people in the face" out of the box".
[18:33] <jrwren> in pips defense, it doesn't install to system, it installs to /usr/local/
[18:36] <didrocks> jrwren: yeah, but it's still available at a system level
[18:37] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, ah gross... JDK required...
[18:37] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: Yea all their stuff it is
[18:38] <CheeseBurg> its hard to find a ide that isnt tho
[18:38] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, Qtcreator maybe should then just be extended
[18:39] <akiva-is-yellow> I mean pyqt is a big thing
[18:40] <CheeseBurg> I agree but it probably won't be done
[18:40] <CheeseBurg> They are busy enough working on qt itself
[18:40] <CheeseBurg> and Canonical is focusing more on Go
[18:41] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, yah busy is the key word here
[18:41] <akiva-is-yellow> and Go is more interesting.
[18:42] <akiva-is-yellow> this or Geany could be extended to do project files.
[18:42] <akiva-is-yellow> that shouldnt be too difficult.
[18:42] <CheeseBurg> But geany isnt an ide, it is an text editor
[18:42] <CheeseBurg> making an editor into an ide is super complex
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> it is why it hasnt been done yet
[18:43] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, it already supports autocomplete, syntax highlighting, indenting
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> ^true
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> but the rest is a lot more complex
[18:43] <akiva-is-yellow> all it would need imo, is need a sidebar that can keep track of files in a project.
[18:43] <CheeseBurg> that is why most new ides are based on eclipse
[18:44] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: isnt that jsut an addon?
[18:44] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, I don't know; if it exists; I'd take it.
[18:44] <akiva-is-yellow> I mean; pardon my ignorance; but what else does a python ide need?
[18:45] <didrocks> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-developer-tools-community-input
[18:46] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: wrong person to ask. but I was once looking for a python ide too. I just learned to love sublime text instead
[18:46] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, $
[18:46] <akiva-is-yellow> I hear sublime is cool though
[18:46] <akiva-is-yellow> I'd like to try it some time
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> akiva-is-yellow: You can use it for free for a while
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> try it for a week or so
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> its like notepad++ but much better
[18:47] <akiva-is-yellow> CheeseBurg, does it do python projects?
[18:48]  * akiva-is-yellow is very meh on notepad++
[18:48] <CheeseBurg> its just for write code so it does just about everything
[18:48] <CheeseBurg> does not compile code at all
[18:48] <CheeseBurg> but has syntax highlighting and such
[18:49] <akiva-is-yellow> ha ha
[18:49] <akiva-is-yellow> lol
[18:49] <willcooke> questions from IRC anyone?
[18:49] <willcooke> we're getting towards wrap up
[18:49] <akiva-is-yellow> QUESTION: Icon for this app?
[18:50] <akiva-is-yellow> QUESTION: Will all programming languages be supported?
[18:51] <akiva-is-yellow> QUESTION: Developer tools beyond the IDEs? For example; bundling shutter for screenshotting? Bazaar explorer?
[18:52] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will Unity 8 have this as well?
[18:53] <willcooke> CheeseBurg, eventually, yes
[18:53] <CheeseBurg> willcooke: OK good
[18:54] <didrocks> thanks everyone!
[18:54] <akiva-is-yellow> I'm willing to get involved but I am still at a loss as to exactly what the roadmap looks like
[18:54] <akiva-is-yellow> Can I put the t-shirt competition on ubuntuappdev irc?
[18:54] <akiva-is-yellow> or are you guys being facetious?
[18:55] <akiva-is-yellow> not irc, reddit*