[14:49] <dholbach> who wants to join the roundtable in 10mins?
[14:50] <belkinsa> I wish if I was at home.  ;)
[14:50] <belkinsa> Well, I want to if I was, is what I meant.
[14:51] <belkinsa> Well...dunno, really.  I could do it in a public place but I'm in a place where a crowd of people will come in like 30 minutes
[14:52] <dholbach> ok, we'll have another roundtable tomorrow too :)
[14:52]  * skellat has to be off-camera today
[14:52] <belkinsa> Yeah, but I miss it because I'm commuting back home at that time
[14:52]  * belkinsa only has one class and it's the first thing in the morning
[14:56] <belkinsa> dholbach, the pad for the session is already created.
[14:57] <dholbach> super
[14:57] <belkinsa> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-roundtable if any one needs it
[15:00] <dpm> thanks belkinsa
[15:01] <belkinsa> o/ cheesehead, I may need you in the future ;).  and dpm not a porblem
[15:01]  * skellat waves at dpm & dholbach
[15:01] <dholbach> skellat, want to join?
[15:01] <skellat> I'm off-camera today
[15:01] <skellat> Broadband provider issues
[15:01] <dholbach> skellat, do you want to join voice-only?
[15:02] <belkinsa> I think everyone one who reads Planet ubuntu knows that both from you, skellat, and me.
[15:02] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-roundtable
[15:03] <mhall119> I'll be around, but might not talk much due to answering Summit questions in PM
[15:04] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/track/community/
[15:04] <cheesehead> belkinsa: Sure
[15:04] <belkinsa> Should we use the QUESTION: system?
[15:05] <skellat> I just adjusted the blueprint for "Community Events" to note the blocker on scheduling Global Jam as we won't know the release schedule until late Friday
[15:05] <dholbach> thanks skellat
[15:05] <mhall119> belkinsa: yes, also anybody can join the hangout if they want to
[15:05] <belkinsa> Cool
[15:05] <mhall119> there should be a link above the video feed to join
[15:05] <belkinsa> Also the new YouTube client has a link for the joining too.
[15:06] <skellat> I'll likely attempt to be "voice-only" during the community events session
[15:06] <popey> o/
[15:08] <skellat> Very big session we need to encourage participation in this week: ISO localization
[15:08] <mhall119> it's not UOS without popey's cat
[15:08] <popey> :D
[15:08] <belkinsa> skellat, is there a session for that?
[15:08] <skellat> belkinsa: Yes
[15:08] <skellat> belkinsa: Tomorrow -- http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22380/development-1411-iso-l10n-uefi/
[15:09] <skellat> We really need a lot of people there as that is hyper-important at least from LoCo Councill's perspective
[15:09]  * skellat helped instigate the session
[15:10] <skellat> The folks behind ubuntu-defaults-builder would be helpful
[15:10] <skellat> UEFI!
[15:11] <cp> How about attempting to address the issue of educating users about universe security with a ubuntu-security-support package based on debian-security-support?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8965845/  has a bit more detail.
[15:11] <mhall119> cp: is there a session for that?
[15:11] <belkinsa> Sure, but I think that isn't a community track one
[15:12] <cp> Not that I know of.  That is why I am bring it up.
[15:12] <belkinsa> Yon can prose it
[15:12] <mhall119> yeah, that's an Ubuntu Development track topic, but if you're willing to run that session you should propose it to one of those track leads
[15:12] <dholbach> cp, you could file it using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Create
[15:12] <cp> Universe is a community issue, the community is supposedly the people who maintain it.
[15:14] <skellat> cp: We're splitting a very fine line here.  Although maintenance of Universe is a community issue, creation of a ubuntu-security-support tool is a creative task of development.  We can put that there most appropriately as there would be issues in how we adapt Debian's work perhaps.
[15:14] <belkinsa> Mate is a food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_%28beverage%29
[15:14] <belkinsa> ;)
[15:15] <mhall119> cp: the Community track is for community development, Ubuntu Development track is for distro development
[15:15] <popey> \o/ MATE
[15:15] <dholbach> popey, acid popey is back
[15:16]  * belkinsa is really guessing that the MATE might be coming from that since it's some sort of fusion
[15:18] <skellat> I'm double-booked between LoCo Team Activity Review as well as 15.04 release planning on Friday.  One is my wearing LoCo Council hat and the other is wearing Xubuntu Team "member without portfolio" hat.  I haven't figured out which session I'll actually be attending yet.
[15:18] <belkinsa> I hope akiva knows that, dholbach.
[15:19] <dholbach> belkinsa, yep, pinged akiva
[15:19] <belkinsa> Thank you!
[15:19] <dholbach> thanks :)
[15:20] <cp> skellat said "creative task of development".  I think this package is already done and all we need to do is follow Debian as far as the development of the package.  The issue is one of maintenance where we need to have input from various people about what to put in the data files about the particular packages.
[15:20] <mhall119> cp: it would still be an Ubuntu Development track session
[15:20] <mhall119> cp: I recommend you ping those track leads about it: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/tracks
[15:21] <cp> OK, I'll look at the UDS/create page.
[15:21] <dholbach> thanks cp
[15:21] <mhall119> thanks cp :)
[15:22] <belkinsa> The Ubuntu Doc team isn't doing a roundtable for this UOS because of lack of people wanting to do one.
[15:22] <skellat> belkinsa: You're a membership board member...you should speak up here!
[15:23] <belkinsa> We could do one but I should e-mail the others.
[15:23] <belkinsa> Or have the CC session to do it
[15:23] <skellat> belkinsa: I mean speak about membership in regards to what the gentlemen are speaking about
[15:23] <belkinsa> skellat, that could be a good session if I can get someone else in the board to help me.
[15:24] <skellat> Understood
[15:24] <belkinsa> On it!
[15:24] <dholbach> we can talk about it in the community council session
[15:24] <mhall119> belkinsa: depending on timing I'll join with my CC hat on
[15:25] <belkinsa> I may be late to that session by a bit, 10 minutes may be the most.
[15:25] <belkinsa> I can be the Board rep, if needed.
[15:25] <dholbach> it'll be great to have you there
[15:26] <startech> Just got here. Can someone get me up to speed?
[15:28] <belkinsa> e-mail sent to the Membership board
[15:29] <mhall119> startech: rewind the video and check the etherpad notes
[15:29] <mhall119> startech: it's mostly skimmed over several topics
[15:29] <belkinsa> startech, you can watch the video again after the session too
[15:30] <dholbach> any topics you want to discuss?
[15:31] <startech> thanks belkinsa.
[15:31] <belkinsa> Keep in mind what times we have on Friday...
[15:32] <cheesehead> I don't see much difference between "Community Roundtable" and "Community Team Feedback"
[15:32] <mhall119> cheesehead: one is more general discussion about community topics
[15:32] <mhall119> the other is more specific to what those of us on the video do for our regular tasks
[15:33] <belkinsa> mhall119, I am and I'm trying to recruit one or two more people to help.  popey you are welcome to help if you aren't in another session at the time.
[15:33] <cheesehead> mhall119: RGR. Thanks.
[15:33] <mhall119> \o/
[15:34] <belkinsa> We could the UOS feedback on Friday at 14 UTC or 16 UTC
[15:35] <mhall119> preferably 14, I'd like to be in the LoCo Team activity session at 16
[15:35] <belkinsa> Alright, let's save that slot fo the feedback session
[15:36] <mhall119> thanks belkinsa
[15:36] <belkinsa> And I will get that done for you
[15:36]  * skellat is going to run away to find a microphone & mixer board for the next session
[15:36] <belkinsa> Do you need a blueprint for the UOS feedback session?
[15:36] <mhall119> I think we should, it's likely to result in work items
[15:37] <belkinsa> Okay, on it
[15:38] <cheesehead> Feedback: I think the lack of community outrage here today is a good thing. It means the community is being heard; that Ubuntu is responsive.
[15:38] <belkinsa> Keep in mind, I'm scheduling it not leading it.  I'm in class during that time.
[15:38] <cheesehead> Just like Upgrading to 14.10. It's so good, it's boring.
[15:39] <mhall119> belkinsa: you can put me as drafter on the BP if you want
[15:39] <belkinsa> Okay, I will
[15:40] <belkinsa> Is the project, UOS or Ubuntu?
[15:40] <mhall119> ubuntu
[15:40] <belkinsa> Okay
[15:40] <belkinsa> Not a problem
[15:41] <mhall119> thanks belkinsa :)
[15:42] <belkinsa> :D
[15:42] <belkinsa> And done: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/uos-1411-community-uos-feedback
[15:43] <mhall119> should get into summit within the next hour
[15:43] <belkinsa> Alright.
[15:44] <belkinsa> I wish you all a good time at the UOS and I will see you tomorrow, as I don't have any other sessions to come to and I have school work to finish.
[15:47] <dholbach> dpm, I'll start the next one as well
[15:48] <dpm> dholbach, thanks. I'll go and turn the light on, it's getting dark in the hangout :)
[15:48] <dholbach> yeah, same here :)
[15:49] <cheesehead> Thanks, what a clever bot.
[15:50] <mhall119> cheesehead: when UDS was in-person the bots would put big warnings up on the projector to tell us we were about to be kicked out of the room :)
[15:51] <cheesehead> mhall119: Ah, good times.
[15:59] <dholbach> does anyone want to join the session?
[16:00] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-1411-appdev-events
[16:05] <dholbach> does anyone want to join the hangout?
[16:07] <dholbach> notes at http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-1411-appdev-events
[16:09] <halla> is training material downloable?
[16:10] <dholbach> halla, yes, it's available at http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-dev-training/
[16:11] <dholbach> halla, scopes material will be added in the coming weeks
[16:16] <dholbach> any more feedback?
[16:38] <dpm> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2677/
[16:55] <davidcalle_> Thanks guys!
[17:40] <aveemashfaq> is this starting in half an hour
[17:40] <aveemashfaq> i am in IST and i don't have a clue what time zone this refers to
[17:40] <elfy> should be in 20 minutes
[17:41] <elfy> aveemashfaq: date -u in a terminal will show you UTC :)
[17:41] <aveemashfaq> i know that. i did a google search
[17:41] <aveemashfaq> i was just confused what time was mentioned UTC or CET
[17:41] <aveemashfaq> thank you elfy
[17:42] <elfy> the summit pages refer to UTC :)
[17:52] <dholbach> dpm, I'll kick off the events session
[17:52] <dpm> thanks again dholbach
[17:52] <rrnwexex> hi guys, cloud-related community guy here.
[17:59]  * skellat is ready to be "audio-only" this round
[17:59] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join the hangout?
[18:00]  * skellat is having to install the plugin again
[18:00] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfwbYnnxymcasxVI4e7kMx8ESSNG22jXFwl21R_4irrbQflIg
[18:01] <dpm> if anyone wants to join in ^
[18:01] <dholbach> dkessel, elfy: anyone else wants to join in?
[18:01] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-1411-planning-v-cycle-events
[18:01] <dpm> To keep notes for the session
[18:01] <elfy> dholbach: I'm in and out
[18:01] <elfy> so might later :)
[18:02] <thomi> I'm lurking, I can join if I'm needed
[18:02] <thomi> I'm not really sure what balloons has in mind for me :D
[18:03] <balloons> hey thomi :-)
[18:03] <dkessel> dholbach: eating, sorry
[18:03] <dpm> thomi, it's next hour :)
[18:03] <thomi> oh really?
[18:03] <thomi> I could have stayed in bed!
[18:03] <balloons> thomi, yea, next hour for manual testing
[18:03] <thomi> well, now I feel silly
[18:04] <elfy> blame timezones thomi :)
[18:04] <balloons> 1900 UTC.. I blame timezones combined with dailylight savings
[18:04] <elfy> ha
[18:04] <aveemashfaq> i don't have any problem joining the hangouts but should i
[18:04] <aveemashfaq> i can get some input
[18:04] <slickymasterWork> I'll be here just for a short period
[18:11] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[18:12] <aveemashfaq> SUGGESTION: new users do not have any idea about how to test and give feedback (peoople like me are enthusiastic but no nothing). So, atleast better documentation is required
[18:12] <elfy> aveemashfaq: last cycle there were a couple of sessions about testing
[18:13] <aveemashfaq> Firstly, please post them in the google plus community or atleast make a youtube video and link it so that we can know
[18:14] <aveemashfaq> no novice user wants to get into uncharted waters in the beginning, but that does not mean that he or she is not so enthusiastic
[18:15] <aveemashfaq> are the guys who are speaking even reading the irc
[18:15] <elfy> dpm - did any result come from the uos  date?
[18:15] <elfy> aveemashfaq: no idea :)
[18:16] <elfy> probably
[18:16] <elfy> aveemashfaq: as far as testing is concerned, last time iirc it was part of an open week
[18:17] <elfy> balloons: ^^ you'd be the one to comment when you're free
[18:18] <skellat> balloons, elfy: I guess we need to consider your social media platform usage for testing calls
[18:20] <skellat> balloons, elfy: We may need to do an "on-boarding video" or two for new testers (dpm: please copy to notes)
[18:20] <elfy> generally it's nothing to do with me at all
[18:20] <skellat> elfy: :-) You know my biases
[18:20] <elfy> you should see all of the testing calls that I'm interested in :)
[18:21] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/communities/114878029820171227880
[18:22] <skellat> aveemashfaq: You can find images for testing at iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[18:22] <elfy> they've quit
[18:22] <dpm> elfy, we've not come to that yet
[18:22] <elfy> dpm:  cool
[18:29] <skellat> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1411-planning-v-cycle-events
[18:35] <skellat> Communications channels is tricky
[18:35] <dholbach> skellat, I'll move the Ubuntu members question from the blueprint to the notes of the Community Council session tomorrow
[18:35] <skellat> Understood
[18:35] <skellat> Ubuntu Member persons are the kernels of LoCo teams
[18:37] <balloons> skellat, elfy hey :-)
[18:38] <balloons> let me pop over
[18:38] <elfy> the guy wandered off and is in the hangout now balloons :)
[18:39] <skellat> More assets
[18:40] <skellat> Work item added: [loco-council] Assess the state of social media usage by LoCo Teams
[18:40]  * balloons reads scrollback
[18:42] <skellat> Other work items added:
[18:42] <skellat> [loco-council] Assess the state of social media usage by LoCo Teams and look at developing best practices.
[18:42] <skellat> [loco-council] Develop review of question: How do we "follow the zeitgeist" in terms of maximizing use of social networks in approaching users
[18:54] <elfy> hi bdmurray
[18:55] <balloons> for whomever wants in the next session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYd7XNGKCdOWsUQGzWe0_9Df5ZUEBRWfTHP0Wf2_GxCxmW97CA?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:56] <cheesehead> I really like quarterly UOS. Perhaps it needs to change to two days.
[18:56] <akiva-is-yellow> o/ hey all
[18:56] <akiva-is-yellow> I like getting together; really energizes me
[18:57] <elfy> hi akiva-is-yellow
[18:57] <akiva-is-yellow> elfy, hey elfy
[19:02] <balloons> alright, time to go :-)
[19:02]  * balloons pushes button
[19:03] <elfy> push the other one ...
[19:03] <elfy> nothing here
[19:07] <elfy> hi brendand
[19:18] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/DevEnv
[19:27] <elfy> brendand: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases
[19:28] <elfy> xubuntu use suites of tests for packages
[19:30] <elfy> balloons: gtg, I'll try and catch up on the session tomorrow - from my pov
[19:34] <bdmurray> I'd like to see links to crash reports in the Error Tracker.
[19:35] <bdmurray> bitesize?
[19:37] <bdmurray> In the test results for a particular test, like how people add bug reports.
[19:38] <bdmurray> I sent an e-mail about how crash reporting from live cds is enabled now and you can find the OOPS IDs in /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log
[19:38] <bdmurray> So then we could have counts of how many people are experiencing crashes.
[19:39] <bdmurray> I think both are necessary at this point in time since there is no communication path with crash reports.
[19:40] <bdmurray> Also the qa tracker allows you to link to any bug in Launchpad (those that aren't crashes) where we wouldn't have duplicates.
[19:41] <bdmurray> Sure, if an API method doesn't exist for the error tracker I can add one.
[19:41] <balloons> https://errors.ubuntu.com/
[19:41] <bdmurray> And I'm happy to do the development work on the qa tracker, if it will be used.
[19:43] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects
[19:43] <bdmurray> yep
[19:44] <bdmurray> Yes, that is what I'd expect.
[19:53] <balloons> aveem, are you about in channel?