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jajajajahello10:48
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bWith12:58
bCan I stream this please12:58
billyMahmoodHello Roof13:01
billyMahmoodHello Room13:01
HostHi guys and welcome to this years uBuntu event13:02
Hostare you all exited for the upcoming videos?13:03
HostPlease leave all your questions for the end of the event - Thank you13:03
bHello13:04
akiva-thinkpado/13:09
Hostakiva-thinkpad welcome to the room13:10
* akiva-thinkpad accepts welcome13:12
rickspencer3o/ all13:43
rickspencer3mhall119 good morning :)13:43
akiva-thinkpadrickspencer3, \013:43
ssunnymorning everyone :)13:45
rickspencer3hi ssunny13:46
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mhall119good morning everyone13:48
dkesselo/13:48
akiva-thinkpado/13:49
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justCarakassomeone start playing the final countdown13:51
t1mpneneneneeeee, nenene ne neeee!13:52
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t1mphumming doesn't work well on irc13:53
mhall119it doesn't work well in real live eithr ;)13:53
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ssunnymight as well play the star wars tune :D13:54
justCarakasmaybe play a karaoke version in the live stream :D13:54
justCarakasthan we can all humm together irl :D13:54
PedroVin777hello13:54
PedroVin777from Brazil13:55
PedroVin777:D13:55
justCarakasPedroVin777: hello from belgium13:55
mhall119hello from Florida :)13:55
MarkcortbassHello from the Netherlands! :)13:55
t1mpMarkcortbass: goede middag!13:56
PedroVin777Someone from Texas? :D13:56
ssunnyrickspencer3: anything specific you'll be addressing in the keynote ?13:56
t1mpmhall119: good morning :)13:56
rickspencer3hi ssunny13:56
rickspencer3yes13:56
rickspencer3:)13:56
rickspencer3ssunny, anything in particular you want to hear about?13:57
ssunnyrickspencer3: would be great to know more about the plans with unity :)13:57
mhall119ssunny: we have a few sessions on that this week, check the schedule13:58
akiva-thinkpadssunny, ill link you to the schedule13:59
rickspencer3ssunny, I will touch on that, and also, there might be time a the end for Q+A13:59
akiva-thinkpadssunny, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/2014-11-12/13:59
akiva-thinkpadthat is wednesday13:59
ssunnygot it, thanks akiva-thinkpad :)13:59
akiva-thinkpadnp14:00
ssunnyrickspencer3: looking forward to it :D14:00
rickspencer3we're getting ready to start14:00
rickspencer3hangouts is giving mhall119 some headaches14:00
ogra_calm down, it says "starting soon" :)14:00
dholbachgo go go!14:01
rickspencer3starting it now14:01
PedroVin777i'm waiting...14:01
Newton3010Hello all14:02
PedroVin777hello14:02
dpmwelcome everyone!14:02
justCarakasits live14:02
akiva-thinkpado/14:02
JoshStroblo/14:02
rickspencer3sorry everyone14:03
rickspencer3chromium changed such that certain features no longer work in it14:03
Newton3010lol14:03
justCarakasrickspencer3: no need to apologise :)14:03
rickspencer3so mhall119 has to set it up in Chrome instead :/14:03
akiva-thinkpadtech demo!14:03
ogra_justCarakas, he gets paid for that, its ok :)14:03
akiva-thinkpadbsod!14:03
mhall119thanks google :(14:03
dholbachpoor mhall11914:03
JoshStroblyou should've been using Chrome then14:03
* popey is watching in Opera ☻14:03
justCarakasor firefox :)14:03
dholbachw3m for the win!14:04
akiva-thinkpadmental note; don't use chrome14:04
* rickspencer3 remembers the UOS when Google changed the whole UI for hangouts right in the middle14:04
ssunnyIE :X14:04
ssunny:P14:04
JoshStroblaand that concludes UOS keynote14:04
akiva-thinkpadrickspencer3, lol14:04
JoshStroblhave a good day everyone!14:04
VY1CASigh.14:04
JoshStrobl:P14:04
PedroVin777I nedd subtitles...14:04
PedroVin777:(14:04
justCarakasshortest one evere14:04
PedroVin777*need14:04
rickspencer3hehe14:04
akiva-thinkpadshort and sweet14:04
MarkcortbassPeople, we will be able to use whatsapp with Ubuntu Touch! The Sailfish OS app 'Mitakuuluu' will be ported to Ubuntu Touch!14:04
Newton3010well, that sure does instill alot of confidence !!14:04
rickspencer3don't worry, mhall119 will be back real soon14:04
JoshStroblwhat an amazing keynote, am i right!?14:04
Newton3010abso14:04
akiva-thinkpadI like the part where he talked about the future of chome.14:05
popeyYear of the Linux Desktop ☻14:05
JoshStroblMarkcortbass, Mitakuuluu users were banned for using an unofficial WhatsApp app.14:05
justCarakasdo we need to refresh ?14:05
jack_vni'm beginer14:05
JoshStroblMarkcortbass, so no, wait for an official app14:05
rickspencer3hold on folks, mhall119 just needs to restart the session14:05
popeyjustCarakas: yes, url in the topic14:05
JoshStroblI want to see who takes longer to load up all those tabs, mhall119 or popey :P14:06
JohnnyTSO should we be waiting?14:06
mhall119everyone refresh the page to get the new video feed14:06
apwJohnnyT, yeah there was an abort14:07
rickspencer3JohnnyT, yes, mhall119 got it re-running again :)14:07
JoshStroblsays starting soon14:07
akiva-thinkpadgot it14:07
justCarakasgot it14:07
akiva-thinkpadjustCarakas, o/14:07
popeyIt's not like we're landing a ship on a rock in space or anything.14:07
justCarakashey akiva-thinkpad :) nice you could make it in time :)14:07
akiva-thinkpadindeed14:07
dholbachhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22327/intro-by-michael-hall-keynote-by-rick-spencer/ is back14:07
rickspencer3\o/14:07
VY1CA*Shrug*14:08
dpmmhall119, the page looks good now14:08
popey\o/ nice one mhall11914:08
Newton3010YAY!!!14:08
dpmeveryone remember to refresh http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22327/intro-by-michael-hall-keynote-by-rick-spencer/14:08
akiva-thinkpad\o/14:08
* ogra_ notes rickspencer3 is in early Movember14:08
MarkcortbassBy the way, report to coderus if your whatsapp account is blocked. https://twitter.com/MaxT3/status/52742539515160985614:09
rickspencer3ogra_, it's "no shave" not "no trim", right?14:09
akiva-thinkpadyah formal logic!14:09
loolis there any benefit in watching within hangouts vs watching in youtube?14:09
akiva-thinkpadv = or14:09
ogra_rickspencer3, heh, yeah14:09
JoshStroblMarkcortbass, or just wait for an actual official app. you're really not supposed to be using an unofficial app. there is a reason why it isn't in the Jolla store.14:09
akiva-thinkpadlool, don't think so; if you are using an irc client14:09
MarkcortbassOfficial whatsapp app for Ubuntu Touch in 2018?14:09
JoshStroblMarkcortbass, doubt it14:10
JoshStroblMarkcortbass, probably earlier14:10
MarkcortbassI hope so.. We will see ;)14:10
ogra_there is a telegram webapp at least :)14:10
JoshStroblWhatsApp is pretty on the ball with porting stuff. I imagine Sailfish OS and Ubuntu Touch are next.14:10
MarkcortbassI know. But not many people are using it.. sadly :/14:11
JoshStroblinit system switch <314:12
ogra_would be nice if you could make the dots have the track color next time ;)14:12
ogra_(or the text or whatever)14:12
JoshStroblJuju!14:12
JoshStroblw00t14:12
DS-McGuireHow do we do that?14:15
JoshStroblProbably by logging in at http://summit.ubuntu.com/openid/login?next=/uos-1411/14:16
boobooXmuch orange <314:17
boobooXomg! please move this IRC box to the right! why is it under the video?14:19
DS-McGuireCan we have a link to that launchpad team?14:20
udmcedboobooX +114:20
ObrienDaveboobooX: +114:20
boobooXwe can't keep an eye on IRC14:21
boobooXbecause it's under de video!!! OMG14:21
darthbohow small is your screen?14:21
darthbojust open a different irc client14:21
akiva-thinkpadheh14:21
JoshStroblboobooX, dude...use an actual IRC client and have it sit "always on top" next to the video or on a second (or third) monitor14:22
justCarakasJoshStrobl: don't be so mean, you chased boobooX away14:23
akiva-thinkpadThe chewbaka!14:24
JoshStrobljustCarakas, I fail to see how I was being "mean". I said dude, followed by a suggestion.14:24
JoshStrobljustCarakas, you do realize it is possible he is literally following my advice right now and getting an actual IRC client right?14:25
JoshStroblo/ Rick14:27
akiva-thinkpadnice work!14:27
JoshStroblgood presentation mhall11914:27
akiva-thinkpaddoing well!14:27
akiva-thinkpadWOAH!14:27
DS-McGuireakiva-thinkpad,  o/14:27
cooperminteurope #1 http://i.imgur.com/i9yC5.jpg14:27
akiva-thinkpadCanonical to have a probe on a comet!14:28
akiva-thinkpadDS-McGuire, o/14:28
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mhall119thanks JoshStrobl :)14:28
akiva-thinkpadlove trusty!14:29
JoshStrobl14.04 is such a good release14:29
ObrienDavelove my LTS more14:29
DS-McGuireBest. Release. Ever.14:29
akiva-thinkpadWay better than warty14:29
JoshStrobl+1 DS-McGuire although 10.10 Maverick Meerkat will still have a special place in my heart14:30
DS-McGuireJoshStrobl, I wasn't on the Linux bandwagon back then. :)14:30
dholbach10 10 10? :)14:30
JoshStroblDS-McGuire, well glad to know you are competent and using Linux now ;)14:31
coopermintubuntu next is soo nice!14:31
cooperminti lost interest in everything non NEXT14:32
DS-McGuireJoshStrobl, haha why thank you :)14:32
coopermintanything14:32
JoshStroblcoopermint, glad to know you like Fedora Next too!14:32
coopermintewwww14:32
coopermintno14:32
JoshStroblWhy not?14:32
JoshStroblFedora 21 Alpha Workstation is a really solid release man.14:32
coopermintbecause it's not ubuntu14:32
akiva-thinkpadlol14:33
JoshStroblSo? I love Ubuntu and use it across multiple servers, but Fedora 21 Workstation is fantastic and the Fedora Project really nailed it with their shift to desktop+server+cloud images.14:33
akiva-thinkpadI detect an ubuntu bias in this room14:33
JoshStroblakiva-thinkpad, indeed14:33
mhall119we'll be taking questions at the end of this presentation, but you can start asking them any time and we will queue them up14:33
mhall119just start with "QUESTION" in all caps like that so I get a highlight14:33
coopermintQUESTION can we have click packages in 15.04?14:34
JoshStroblQUESTION: What hardware does Mir support on the desktop currently? Intel-based processors only?14:34
akiva-thinkpadQUESTION : Will ubuntu next have an live desktop that you can run from a USB to install?14:34
mhall119also please remember this is a keynote not engineering sessions, so save your very technical questions for other sessions14:34
akiva-thinkpadlol14:34
akiva-thinkpadokay14:34
JoshStroblokay (sad meme face)14:34
mhall119aw, didrocks :)14:35
JoshStroblQUESTION: What is your favorite Ubuntu release?14:35
DS-McGuireQUESTION: Can we discuss that Ubuntu tablet that is suppose to be taking orders by the end of this year?14:35
mhall119udtc is really awesome, I used it recently to install android studio14:35
akiva-thinkpadgood question14:35
coopermintQUESTION: what's canonical strategy for the low end market? think 35$ Firefox OS phones and Goolge Android L 100$ phones14:35
JoshStroblDS-McGuire, it is by the same kid that wanted to create that "ultimate os" running arch linux, so I wouldn't take it seriously14:36
akiva-thinkpadwoah! hes tired!14:36
JoshStroblDS-McGuire, it isn't something from Canonical itself14:36
DS-McGuiremhall119, +1 Best way for me to eclipse set up!14:36
DS-McGuireto get *14:36
akiva-thinkpadAnd the only perscription is more cowbell!14:37
mhall119lol14:37
popeyDS-McGuire: the one from Andrew Bernstein? Nothing to do with us.14:37
JoshStroblQUESTION: We haven't heard much about the BQ device, mainly about the Meizu device. BQ is still in on shipping an Ubuntu Phone device right?14:37
DS-McGuirepopey, My bad :/14:37
skellatQUESTION: What markets for phone release *first*?14:37
popeyDS-McGuire: no, _his_ bad ☻14:37
DS-McGuirepopey, lol, I don't mind passing the blame here... His bad for sure!14:38
coopermintQUESTION: should Ubuntu drop non LTS releases and go rolling?14:38
mhall119http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/14:38
JoshStroblcoopermint, heck no14:38
cooperminti'm not trying fedora!14:39
DS-McGuirecoopermint, NOPE14:39
JoshStroblcoopermint, one of the big reasons why Canonical has such a high adoption rate for Ubuntu by businesses is the LTS14:39
coopermintfedora core 1 was my first distro after slack14:39
JoshStroblcoopermint, what does Fedora have to do with it? They aren't rolling.14:39
ObrienDaveOh, I can hear the conspiracy theorists complaining about "scopes" already. ROFL14:39
cooperminti have a bad history with fedora stuff14:39
JoshStroblcoopermint, yea, you can all you want, no reason to bring that negativity in here man14:40
JoshStroblSeriously, try out Fedora 21 Beta.14:40
coopermintyou started it14:40
akiva-thinkpadlol14:40
JoshStroblWhat?14:40
coopermintno!14:40
coopermintewww14:40
mhall119Fedora does great work, no need to knock it14:40
cooperminti'm on ubuntu #114:40
matv1  what conspiracy theories would those be ??14:40
cooperminteurope + ubuntu #114:40
ObrienDavecalling scopes, spyware LOL14:41
akiva-thinkpadha ha14:41
JoshStroblcoopermint, I think you should re-evaluate yourself. You're acting immature man.14:41
akiva-thinkpadspy on your content!14:41
matv1scopes are apps that sit in a particular spot of the UI right?14:41
mhall119JoshStrobl: coopermint: let's drop it and move on, shall we?14:42
coopermintok :>14:42
akiva-thinkpadpurple stairs14:42
DS-McGuireAre there any design yet as to what a core app might look like on a desktop? It keeps me up at night...14:42
JoshStroblQUESTION: What are you personally hoping to be accomplished in the Ubuntu ecosystem by 15.04?14:42
* ObrienDave munches white chocolate peppermint pretzels ;P14:43
akiva-thinkpadDS-McGuire, good question14:43
JoshStroblDS-McGuire, put QUESTION in front of that :P14:43
DS-McGuireQUESTION: Are there any designs yet as to what a core app might look like on a desktop? It keeps me up at night...14:43
JoshStroblObrienDave, awww man, I want some now :/14:43
* JoshStrobl high fives DS-McGuire 14:43
* DS-McGuire accepts high five14:43
akiva-thinkpadQUESTION: What hardware does a phone and a desktop need to do the convergence?14:44
popeyakiva-thinkpad: one of these http://www.esato.com/gfx/news/img/microtfzu7_2006_07_17.jpg14:45
JoshStroblakiva-thinkpad, micro-HDMI out or a similar connector that is capable of sending data out at a fast enough rate to display onto a monitor14:45
popeyBut with cats.14:45
akiva-thinkpadha ha14:45
akiva-thinkpadwoah; video phone14:45
akiva-thinkpadJoshStrobl, +114:46
popey\o/14:46
DS-McGuireJoshStrobl, So, thunderbolt?14:46
JoshStroblDS-McGuire, yea probably or a higher spec USB14:47
JoshStroblMaybe USB 3.114:47
DS-McGuireThere is a new USB Spec coming out soon. Perhaps this could be considered into when convergence is ready.14:47
akiva-thinkpadThanks all14:48
popeymhall119: its fixed on you still14:49
popeymhall119: can you click yourself to undo that?14:49
akiva-thinkpadnice question josh14:49
JoshStrobl\o/14:50
dkesseli think mhall119 really wants to dazzle us all with his ceiling fan14:50
JoshStrobldkessel,gotta admit that is one sexy ceiling fan14:50
matv1Yeah Trusty! great job14:50
JoshStroblUbuntu Phone seems something more for mid-to-high-end devices14:51
JoshStroblyep14:51
akiva-thinkpadWOAH14:51
DS-McGuireIs a nexus 4 not considered a low level spec phone now?14:51
DS-McGuireI class it as one now.14:52
JoshStroblDS-McGuire, nah more like a mid-level device14:52
DS-McGuireJoshStrobl, Wow... :/14:52
akiva-thinkpadahhhhhhhhhh14:52
akiva-thinkpadha ha14:52
pavakwhen the Ubuntu touch phone will be released and when it'll come in Indian market?14:52
akiva-thinkpadquality first!14:53
JoshStrobl"a valued partner"14:53
JoshStroblI'll take that as a yes14:53
JoshStroblDon't sweat it Rick14:53
JoshStroblEither that or "a valued partner but not shipping a device this year" or something like that.14:53
akiva-thinkpadAwesome to work with is a good answer!14:54
skellatrickspencer3: As long as they get FCC certification, I'm good with that!14:54
SausagesYou're using a BQ device already, right? Isn't that what "Krillin" is?14:54
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akiva-thinkpadlol!14:55
akiva-thinkpadcontroversy! Rolling Release14:55
alinurhi14:56
* skellat thanks rickspencer3 for that statement14:56
akiva-thinkpadalinur, hi o/14:56
matv1QUESTION are we not worried that apps that get developped fr the phone (ie the qt/qml sdk) that also end up on the desktop while UI convergence isnt complete, will diminish UX on the desktop. (thinking of oxide webapps for instance)14:57
akiva-thinkpadjosh with all the questions14:57
matv1or was that too late :D ??14:57
JoshStrobl:D14:57
akiva-thinkpadmatv1, too late for a question! but there are more sessions right after this!14:58
coopermintnice! i'll stalk you on mirc :D jajajajaja14:58
akiva-thinkpadmatv1, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/2014-11-12/14:58
* JoshStrobl high fives rickspencer314:58
rickspencer3coopermint, :)14:58
matv1akiva-thinkpad cool14:58
akiva-thinkpad:D14:59
coopermintbye14:59
* rickspencer3 high fives JoshStrobl14:59
ObrienDavethank you!14:59
ssunnythank you for the session :)14:59
akiva-thinkpadawesome!14:59
matv1thnx rick and michael14:59
akiva-thinkpadTesting Unity 8 Desktop here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22361/testing-unity-8-desktop/14:59
akiva-thinkpadbye!15:00
akiva-thinkpad#ubuntu-uds-users-115:00
mhall119dkessel: I know it's annoying, but if I turn it off it gets hot in here15:01
mhall119thanks FLorida :(15:01
dholbachCommunity roundtable session at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22325/community-roundtable/15:01
mhall119in #ubuntu-uds-community-115:02
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gumball_4416:56
akiva-is-yellowhey all16:59
DS-McGuireakiva-is-yellow, o/16:59
gumball_4hi16:59
SuperTeecehi17:00
sialamuchaahi17:00
gumball_4where are the free drinks?17:00
rickspencer3o/ all17:01
mhall119gumball_4: at my house,where are you?17:01
gumball_4you are not mark..17:01
dholbachprefix your questions with QUESTION:17:01
gumball_4in berlin ;))17:01
whodid the audio just drop out?17:02
gumball_4no17:02
JoshStroblwho, nope17:02
JoshStroblsomeone kidnapped Mark and replaced him with a near beardless imposter!17:02
gumball_4:)))17:02
JoshStroblMan I actually miss him having the thick beard. Never ever thought I'd say that.17:03
akiva-is-yellowDS-McGuire, o/17:03
mhall119you can start asking mark questions here any time, I will queue them up17:03
JoshStroblQUESTION: What happened to the beard?17:03
* mhall119 knew that was coming17:03
JoshStrobl:D17:03
nik90lol17:04
dholbachno surprise there :-P17:04
akiva-is-yellowQUESTION: Do you have plans to replace firefox on the desktop with your Webbrowser app?17:04
JoshStroblQUESTION: What is your favorite scope currently in Ubuntu Touch?17:04
akiva-is-yellowWOAH!17:04
JoshStrobl:o17:04
dholbachthe mixcloud scope definitely: https://plus.google.com/u/1/+BogdanCuza/posts/B3c6ECjaReo :-P17:05
* JoshStrobl is jumping up and down like a schoolgirl waiting the announcement.17:05
JoshStrobl*waiting for the17:05
DS-McGuireI am going to call it... Nokia.17:05
JoshStroblDS-McGuire, wishful thinking :P17:05
www2QUESTION witch project i need to watch for video editing and spesial for a opensource replasment adobe after efects out site blender17:06
DS-McGuireNooo /me just called it17:06
Vars_ubuntuhooray! the best linux system ubuntu.17:06
akiva-is-yellowwww2, kdenlive17:06
JoshStrobl+1 for kdenlive17:06
JoshStrobldespite it having KDE in the name of it17:06
akiva-is-yellowit has an excellent UI;17:06
akiva-is-yellowI think it actually uses raw qt libs17:07
JoshStroblI'm sure it does too :P17:07
* akiva-is-yellow could be wrong17:07
DS-McGuireWhich version of GTK is supported?17:07
ChloeWolfieGirl_I find choosing between Gnome and unity difficult!17:07
Vars_ubuntuwhat about the ubuntu phone? I've been following up since last year17:08
mhall119DS-McGuire: 3.something17:08
JoshStroblQUESTION: We're seeing a lot of progress being made on Juju and OpenStack, where do you see Landscape going in the future?17:08
DS-McGuiremhall119, Thanks :D17:08
akiva-is-yellowQUESTION: Is Ubuntu Profitable yet? Is it getting close?17:08
t1mpChloeWolfieGirl_: install them both :)17:08
akiva-is-yellowubuntu/canonical17:08
JoshStroblDoubtful.17:09
DS-McGuireJoshStrobl, It's true.17:09
ChloeWolfieGirl_t1mp Thats the way I'm doing it currently, /me is excited for unity 817:09
CheeseBurgQUESTION: I know a lot of technical testing is being done on Unity8 but what about design work? When can we see some sketches?17:09
gumball_4QUESTION: what is your opinion17:10
gumball_4 about the first Motorola Atrix?17:10
t1mpCheeseBurg: on Friday there will be a design session http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22359/app-design/17:10
t1mpCheeseBurg: actually it is about app design, but maybe you can sneak your question in there ;)17:11
JoshStroblQUESTION: How do you see Ubuntu Server improving to ensure it remains competitive with the likes of CoreOS?17:11
avoineI was going to ask that question ^ :P17:11
JoshStroblThat question should be easy, since you have Juju :P17:12
JoshStroblBut figured I'd ask anyways17:12
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: How would you and how do you think Microsoft would respond if/when Ubuntu Touch overtakes WP in market share?17:12
akiva-is-yellowlol17:12
Vars_ubuntuQuestion: It will the ubuntu phone release soon? Meizu MX4 is a great option I think.17:12
JoshStroblChloeWolfieGirl_, they'll respond with the only thing they know to do with competition. Sue and/or get royalty fees for patents.17:12
CheeseBurgt1mp: Is it just app design? What about shell design and features?17:13
ChloeWolfieGirl_JoshStrobl:  but didn't you hear Microsoft "LOVES" Linux now :P17:14
GolynxChloeWolfieGirl_: unlikely that will happen. Micosoft got Nokia now and got big plans for mobile space17:14
JoshStroblChloeWolfieGirl_, they love Linux so much that they get royalty fees from Samsung for Android, which builds upon Linux.17:14
Vars_ubuntunokia and microsoft has been working together so long17:15
JoshStroblThe Juju docs have improved between 14.04 and 14.10, so if you haven't looked into Juju Charm development yet, seriously look into it.17:15
SuperTeeceThat's a nice air vent....17:15
JoshStroblQUESTION: Are you still rocking the Dell XPS laptop?17:16
JoshStroblIoT: just utilize your existing minimal images!17:16
KingJamezMicrosoft had a chance to take out linux 10 years ago,  they thought that it would not take a chance..... too bad for them.. now linux (ubuntu ) is taking over.17:17
JoshStroblIoT suggestion: Raspberry Pi support for essential packages (work already mostly done by Raspbian)17:17
JoshStroblmhall119, Canonical guys need to create #ubuntu-iot channel17:18
sabdflhello all17:18
JoshStroblo/17:18
lazyPowerJoshStrobl: o/17:18
elfyhi sabdfl17:18
yoann54can't wait to have an ubuntu touchphone.. when will it be real ?17:18
JoshStroblHey lazyPower17:18
CheeseBurgt1mp: Is it just app design? What about shell design and features?17:19
akiva-is-yellowQUESTION: Thank you Mark for putting yourself behind ubuntu, creating and fostering the project and community to which we all benefit. Happy 10th anniversary, and we hope you continue to provide your vision.17:19
CheeseBurgthis chat program is very weird17:19
SuperTeeceyoann54 it's real now17:19
paeschliyes, will there be an Ubuntu Phone in 2014?17:19
ChloeWolfieGirl_#ubuntu-internet-of-things :P17:19
JoshStroblmhall119, you pronounced my last name right :o17:19
akiva-is-yellowha ha ha17:19
t1mpCheeseBurg: it is part of the app-design track.. but more general design questions can be asked if thee is time17:20
JoshStroblhaha Jono Bacon style lambchops17:20
JoshStroblI love that17:20
akiva-is-yellow"i get bored with my face; I don't know about you."17:20
DS-McGuireapt-get remove beard17:20
dheerajHEY....I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE UBUNTU EDGE PROJECT???17:20
JoshStrobldheeraj, no need for caps bud17:20
t1mpdheeraj: prefix the question with QUESTIO17:20
dobeydheeraj: ubuntu edge was not funded17:20
t1mpdheeraj: prefix the question with QUESTION. The rest of the question can be without caps :)17:20
ChloeWolfieGirl_dheeraj: then ask about it?  start the question off with QUESTION  then ask :317:21
JoshStrobldheeraj, Edge was not funded, as dobey said, therefore it will not exist.17:21
CheeseBurgQUESTION: With MS building Windows 10 with convergence like system, what will Ubuntu have to do to stand its own? Is timing going to be important for Ubuntu?17:21
JoshStroblOxide <317:21
dheerajlike not even in the future???17:21
JoshStrobldheeraj, nobody can see into the future17:21
SuperTeeceQUESTION Are Canonical staff using Ubuntu Touch as daily drivers? Are any using Edge prototypes/one-offs?17:21
JoshStroblhahaha17:21
JoshStroblthe Amazon scope17:21
JoshStroblamazing17:21
akiva-is-yellowlol17:21
akiva-is-yellowha ha17:21
JoshStroblSad thing is, i expected that sabdfl17:22
fdassdffWell done sabdfl17:22
paeschliphaha :D17:22
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION: Any news on Clickyfying Libreoffice17:22
dobeySuperTeece: i'm using a nexus5 with ubuntu17:22
SuperTeecedobey: are you staff?17:22
lazyPowerQUESTION: Is Google Cloud getting an official Juju Provider so I can move my <insert cloud here> infra to google rapidly and easily?17:22
kenvandineSuperTeece, it's been my daily driver for over a year now17:22
JoshStroblThe Youtube scope <317:22
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: how will Ubuntu Touch try to avoid the viscous pain of people saying "grr Ubuntu it has no apps"17:22
DS-McGuireQUESTION: Are we still looking to design everything with the origami style? I just love it so much, don't take it away.17:22
dobeySuperTeece: a lot of the developers are using ubuntu as a daily on the nexus4 too, yes17:23
JoshStroblsabdfl, it wasn't sarcasm17:23
SuperTeecekencandine: are you staff?17:23
paeschliQUESTION: Will 16.04 LTS be the last 32 bit supported or is it just a rumour?17:23
kenvandineSuperTeece, yes17:23
JoshStroblsabdfl, I love Amazon.17:23
dheerajQUESTION: The apps on the ubuntu phone and the desktops are of the same extensions???17:23
SuperTeecekencandine: awesome, thanks17:23
akiva-is-yellowJoshStrobl, lol :P17:23
ChloeWolfieGirl_<3 Mark shuttleworth xD17:23
DS-McGuireGot to agree :P17:23
dobeydheeraj: extensions?17:23
lu1sQUESTION: Is there a vagrant, vbox image or iso for the mobile version of ubuntu? To try it out and hack it?17:23
Quantumi think it would be a good idea if ubuntu phone integrate an assistant personal for his futur phone/OS and why not in desktop :'D17:24
dheerajextension like .exe .msc .apk etc etc17:24
JoshStrobldheeraj, Ubuntu Touch uses click packages, desktop uses DEB17:24
JoshStrobl.click v.s. .deb17:24
akiva-is-yellowQUESTION: Do you want to see piggyback internet connection in ubuntu touch phone as a core feature?17:24
rararaQUESTION: what do you think of the gnome 3 desktop design?17:24
LaneyNot official17:24
DS-McGuireAslong as Mir support GTK shouldn't they all work?17:24
bloodearnestQUESTION: any comments on MS (*very* recently :) releasing an a) opensource and b) cross-plaform .NET? Do you think we will see click-packages written in c#?17:24
JoshStroblso many questions by me!17:25
dheerajQuestion: so are these apps interoperable from phone to desktop???17:25
dobeydheeraj: oh, then yes. sdk apps are packaged as .click17:25
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION whats your favourite non Unity linux desktop gui?17:25
akiva-is-yellowwoah controversial ChloeWolfieGirl_17:25
gumball_4QUESTION: i'm using the non LTS releases six months before release, not 1 year after release. Am i doing it wrong? (i'm not alone btw)17:25
SuperTeecemy stream seems to be about 2 minutes behind17:26
dobeybloodearnest: i guess you can write a C# app as a .click package now, if you want to ship mono inside your package. :)17:26
CheeseBurgQUESTION: Let's pretend that 16.04 has a flawless release of unity8 with ton of apps and working convergance. What is next?17:26
nik90gumball_4: 1 year?17:26
ChloeWolfieGirl_akiva-is-yellow: just personal opinion, wasnt meant to stirr anything up, sorry >.<17:26
akiva-is-yellow j/k17:26
akiva-is-yellow:P17:26
SuperTeeceIs Nexus 6 supported yet? (General QUESTION)17:26
gumball_4nick or whatever is the supported period17:26
dobeySuperTeece: it is not17:26
JoshStroblSuperTeece, Nexus 5 isn't even *officially* supported. I doubt they are in a hurry for Nexus 6.17:27
linuxtechQUESTION:  DNSSEC, when will we see it on ubuntu.com, canonical.com and all the others?17:27
SuperTeeceAnd is there a dual boot solution out there yet? I was so excited for Ubuntu for Android -- that project was what pushed me from iOS to Android, lol.17:27
dobeySuperTeece: install the MultiROM app on android, and do it17:28
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JoshStroblSuperTeece, you can dual-boot currently. I do that with the Nexus 5.17:28
rararaQUESTION: Will the desktop unity come with the same unity7 design or will you rethink some of the design(task switching) and bring the gestures to the desktop?17:28
t1mpSuperTeece: yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation17:28
yoann54so it's happening with a meizu ?17:28
SuperTeeceAwesome, thanks for the responses, I'l googling my own questions at the same time, lol17:28
ajalkaneSuperTeece: I think Ubuntu on Android was not dual-boot but Ubuntu inside Android. Ubuntu Touch, as above is said, should be able to do dual-boot with android17:28
bloodearnestdobey: true, but I wonder about the future of mono now, if MS are doing a supported release of .NET for linux17:28
lazyPowerwhoa thats news to me17:28
lazyPower.net framework is coming to linux?17:28
JoshStroblFantastic answer sabdfl regarding Landscape.17:28
GrrrekeThx for the opensource os! Question: how to get it to people with verry slow internet connection? Opensource web?17:29
dobeybloodearnest: well, .net != C#17:29
dobeybut sure17:29
SuperTeeceajalkane: you're right, it wasn't. But it was an idea to run full Android while mobile and full Ubuntu when docked.17:29
dobeyif you can redistribute it, the answer will be the same i think17:29
JoshStroblLast I checked they aren't open sourcing Roslyn compiler though17:29
JoshStroblSo "meh"17:29
gumball_4QUESTION: are Cloud and Server ahead of Desktop on Canonical's priority list?17:29
dobeyi don't think we want to ship and try to support all kinds of languages on the phone17:29
ajalkaneSuperTeece: yeah that's shelved I think17:29
JoshStrobloh wow another question from me17:29
* JoshStrobl is on a roll17:29
yoann54will be a meizu the first ubuntu phone ?17:29
workingwriterQUESTION: What do you know about the UT One tablet project?17:29
elfyQUESTION: For something that's not Ubuntu orientated - what's going on lately with Mir and all the flavours - what's the plans for that?17:29
SuperTeeceajalkane: yup, and it made me sad17:29
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION: Do you think click could be made Limba compatable?17:30
JoshStroblworkingwriter, it is a non-Canonical project by the same kid that wanted to create some "ultimate OS" on Arch. So take that as it is.17:30
akiva-is-yellowQUESTION: Do you ever play Dungeons and Dragons With Linus Torvalds, Steve Ballmer, Richard Stallman, Tim Cook, and Bill Gates?17:30
Vars_ubuntuthats true ! the best user experience17:30
ajalkaneSuperTeece: I think I read that it was shelved because OEM's didn't come aboard. But great we have Ubuntu Touch coming on OEMs17:30
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: any secret Ubuntu behind the scenes stuff you'd like to share, next mobile partner, etc?17:31
dheerajQUESTION: is there any other option to use with a  Eucalyptus client other than CentOS???17:31
RPiAwesomenessakiva-is-yellow: lol17:31
tom_fr_49hello, do you Unity 8 will be work with Eclipse?17:31
GrrrekeQuestion: opinion on Haiku os?17:31
JoshStrobltom_fr_49, you can develop applications using Qt Creator for Unity 8 (like Ubuntu Touch and scaling it). Eclipse is oriented towards Java, not C++ or Go.17:32
dobeyJoshStrobl: i think he wants to run eclipes under unity817:32
SuperTeeceQUESTION: Are there yet 1st party apps for the big social networks on Ubuntu Touch? Can I join video hangouts?17:32
JoshStrobldobey, ah17:32
gumball_4QUESTION: what can the community do speed Ubuntu's development because the pace as it is now is slow17:32
tom_fr_49dobey : yes it's mu question17:32
tom_fr_49dobey : yes it's my question17:32
dobeyand eclipse running under unity8 will mean java supporting Mir17:32
dobeygumball_4: uh, "slow" ?17:33
tom_fr_49Thanks :)17:33
gumball_4yap17:33
gumball_4slooooow17:33
dobeyi think you are mistaken :)17:33
gumball_4nope17:33
gumball_4slooooooooooow17:34
t1mpgumball_4: contribute bug fixes and implement new features17:34
gumball_4i am17:34
SuperTeeceThere, that's a way better camera angle17:34
SuperTeeceHe isn't looking down at me anymore17:34
JoshStroblgumball_4, if that was the case then you'd know it isn't moving slow at all17:34
gumball_4it is, sorry17:34
SuperTeeceNow if he'd just look at the camera17:34
dobeya release every 6 months is nowhere near "slow"17:34
dobeyso stop trolling :)17:34
gumball_4fine17:35
JoshStroblgumball_4, well bud, you are welcome to disagree, doesn't mean you are right. So please stop trolling.17:35
dheerajis there any other option to use with a  Eucalyptus client other than CentOS??? anyone?17:35
tom_fr_49Ubuntu with unity 8 will be adapt to developper for programming as the HUD?17:35
dobeyif you want faster, switch to the "devel" series in your apt sources17:35
DS-McGuireQUESTION: Will we be seeing a keynote for the release for Ubuntu touch? Similar to what  we saw for the announcement of Ubuntu touch? I think it was a great viral marketing idea and I hope to see it again.17:35
JoshStrobltom_fr_49, can you rephrase that question?17:35
JoshStrobltom_fr_49, Unity 8 will scale to the device and apps designs for it in Qt Creator theoretically will as well.17:36
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: How come we don't have the People and Home scope on the phone anymore?17:36
gumball_4QUESTION: how many graphic designers are at Canonical?17:36
JoshStroblChloeWolfieGirl_, the decision was to rely on the webapps instead, to my understanding.17:37
akiva-is-yellowChloeWolfieGirl_, lol!17:37
JoshStroblpopey could probably answer your question ChloeWolfieGirl_17:37
workingwriterJoshStrobl: That's been my suspicion.17:37
popeyChloeWolfieGirl_: thats a design question ☻17:38
ManicPanicwill be great if Unity can have Material Design, like Android lollipop17:38
akiva-is-yellowbrown paper bag type issues?17:38
JoshStroblManicPanic, I'd prefer not17:38
SEKTORam using linux since 2005 ubuntu was my second try as linux distribute and sticked with it since that now am IT student there is a companies such as microsoft and google getting attention of student and have them involve into development and am just wondering if it's possible that you will introduce your products and development kit if it available17:39
SEKTOR to get a new developers instead of letting them just joining the others , i completely understand that ubuntu is open source and as far as i know and hope will remain free but still am a bit disappointed  why there is not much of marketing or convinced student to get more involve to secure better future for ubuntu17:39
dobeyChloeWolfieGirl_: the old "people" and "home" scopes were mostly demoware, and when we switched to the new scopes API, there were no replacements written or designed, and they didn't fit in the timeframe or design of the new scopes apis. but maybe some new designs and implementation will bring it back in the future17:39
JoshStrobloh god17:39
ChloeWolfieGirl_dobey Thank you, I hope they do come back personally!17:40
DarkTrancerQ: Desktop and tablet are becoming unified, how about us gamers?17:41
JoshStroblDarkTrancer, nothing will change. You'll still be able to run your games just fine on the desktop.17:41
tom_fr_49Ubuntu Unity 8 will be good for programming as Ubuntu Unity 7 with the HUD because Unity 8 is not the same intergace that Unity 7? Sorry for my english. Do you understand?17:41
coshubiQ: Can you tell us more about the tablet you were just holding in your hands?17:42
JoshStrobltom_fr_49, to my knowledge, HUD was removed from Unity 8, I'm not sure it'll appear in the desktop.17:42
dobeycoshubi: that wasn't a tablet, it was a dell xps 1517:42
rickspencer3Hells yeah, been my daily driver since May 2013!17:42
rickspencer3not just daily driver, my *only* phone17:42
JoshStroblcoshubi, I believe it was a Nexus 717:42
Vars_ubuntuubuntu touch :)17:42
tom_fr_49ok thanks17:43
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: Can you spill the beans on what software developers you're talking to and trying to convince develop for Ubuntu Touch?17:44
richieis there any plans to bring skygo to ubuntu17:44
Vars_ubuntuI tried to use it, but unfortunately the RIL on S3 doesn't work. So I am waiting deseperately for the release :)17:44
JoshStroblVars_ubuntu, you should nag the porter of the S3 image :P17:44
JoshStroblIf people are complaining about the lack of apps only, you've done a good job.17:46
JoshStroblApps will come naturally.17:46
Vars_ubuntuyes please!!!!!!!!!!!17:46
jakslevDo you consider making a free software version (not open source), for a paid fee? Removing the Amazon link and all the other naughty things that RMS hates?17:47
JoshStrobljakslev, easy solution: Settings -> Privacy -> Online search / sources -> uncheck17:47
ChloeWolfieGirl_QUESTION: can we extend this by an hour or 2?17:48
CheeseBurgQUESTION: How are talks with OEMs in the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) going? I figure Ubuntu's big impact will start there.17:48
akiva-is-yellowVery big of Mark.17:48
akiva-is-yellownice answer17:48
tim_at_ubuntu@Mark: Can we expect more partners for Ubuntu Touch (Phone and Tablet)?17:49
jakslevJosh, I know. I am just wondering if Ubuntu wouldn't be able to become more popular if it alienates itself from proprietary software?17:49
www2QUESTION: is there a plans for good qualety text to speech voice17:49
Vars_ubuntuis great to listen Mark...and keep update with ubuntu future17:49
dobeyjakslev: the scope that queries amazon is open source and you can easily remove it if you want17:49
akiva-is-yellowwww2, text to speech, or speech to text?17:50
dobeyjakslev: a default ubuntu install has no proprietary software17:50
rickspencer3lol17:50
JoshStrobljakslev, what do you mean by "proprietary software". The Linux kernel is open source, Unity is open source, etc. If you don't want to use proprietary software, you probably shouldn't be even watching via Hangouts (which is proprietary)17:50
www2@akiva-is-yellow text to speech17:50
akiva-is-yellowwww2, not much. It was asked in a previous q&a (by me :P)17:51
dshimerUOS is one of the times that I just have to pause and reflect on how much I appreciate Mark, his attitude, everything I benefit from minute by minute that is a direct reflection of his vision.  Just need to say it out loud once in a while.17:51
Vars_ubuntuyes !!!!!!! mobile communication we are getting space in to it! love it17:51
* rickspencer3 shakes fist17:52
jakslevJosh, etc. I am not talking open source. I am talking free software. Free as in freedom. Not free as in beer17:52
ajalkanedshimer: true that.17:52
zarqosubuntu project is wondefull17:52
JoshStrobljakslev, I know17:52
akiva-is-yellowdshimer, +117:52
JoshStrobljakslev, you can get the source for Unity, for most Ubuntu packages, for the Linux kernel. Etc.17:52
CheeseBurgdshimer:  totally agree17:52
dobeyjakslev: if you think GPL isn't free software, then you're very confused i think :)17:52
JoshStrobljakslev, Hangouts isn't "free as in freedom" software.17:52
jakslevI would just like Mark and Ubuntu to consider the marketing value of turning towards freedom instead of the more commercial google approach17:52
dobeyjakslev: if you want a stripped down version of ubuntu without any of the firmware blobs in the kernel, or the shopping lens, then go build it (or use one of the versions that has already been built)17:53
ajalkanejakslev: if you're using that distinction, isn't pretty much everything about Ubuntu GPL? Which is free as in freedom17:53
JoshStrobljakslev, I fail to see that being an appealing marketing value though.17:53
MaurirQ: WHAT ABOUT UT ONE TABLET ??17:54
dobeywhat is a UT ONE TABLET ??17:54
JoshStroblMaurir, not by Canonical. By the same KID that wanted to write the "the ultimate OS" on Arch Linux, so take that as you wish.17:54
t1mpMaurir: has nothing to do with canonical17:55
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thomasloldkQ. Will the ubuntu phone software compilte with 4g ETC. in Denmark to o - just genrall in europ ?17:55
coshubiMark should do the Steve.17:55
Maurirreally17:55
JoshStroblMaurir, yes really17:55
dobeythomasloldk: ofono has some issues with 4g, but yes, it will work17:56
jakslevJosh, etc. I am just wondering if it wouldn't be smart to position Ubuntu differently than Google :)17:56
JoshStroblMaurir, not anything you should get excited about17:56
ManicPaniccoshubi: Mark is the Steve Jobs of Ubuntu17:56
sabdflcheers all17:56
JoshStroblthanks sabdfl!17:56
jakslevhi517:56
popey\o/17:56
akiva-is-yellowo/17:56
gumball_4517:56
t1mpMaurir: when there will be official Ubuntu tablets, you can be sure there will be a big announcement on ubuntu.com17:56
www2Thanks17:56
coshubiup on stage in the name of free software17:56
MaurirQ: WHEN CAN WE GET AN UBUNTU TABLET ?17:56
who_meThank you Mark17:56
CheeseBurgHe said my name17:56
thomasloldk:O17:56
jakslevlol17:56
popeyCheeseBurg: never wash17:56
JoshStroblMaurir, when one is released.17:56
DS-McGuireBye guysss!17:56
nik90thnx mark for your insights17:56
JoshStroblMaurir, or just by a Nexus 7 and put Ubuntu Touch on that17:56
thomasloldk<317:56
JoshStrobl*buy17:56
akiva-is-yellow🎆17:56
dobeyMaurir: today. go buy a nexus 7 or 10 and put ubuntu on it17:56
ajalkaneBye BOSS!!!!!!17:56
JoshStrobldobey, bingo17:57
zarqosthank you everyone17:57
richielike it17:57
akiva-is-yellowlaunch time17:57
akiva-is-yellowerr lunch17:57
SEKTORrespect17:57
ajalkaneakiva-is-yellow: I like that typo17:57
dobeyjakslev: canonical doesn't run a search engine, maps service, etc etc, so it's nothing like google17:57
akiva-is-yellowerrm no ; I thought there was lunch!17:57
akiva-is-yellowhey more sessions going on everyone17:57
akiva-is-yellowhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/2014-11-12/17:57
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Augustashello18:10
akiva-is-yellowhello18:13
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xilusQUESTION is ubuntu popular in/ developed by China?18:49
akiva-is-yellowxilus, Think you missed the keynote :P18:52
akiva-is-yellowgood question though.18:52
xilusyes I DID18:52
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