[15:02] <akiva-thinkpad> ello all
[15:02] <justCarakas> o/ akiva
[15:02]  * ObrienDave knocks on the video screen
[15:02] <nik90> \o
[15:02]  * JoshStrobl pokes out from around the corner
[15:03] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[15:03] <sj> start？
[15:03] <DS-McGuire> link?
[15:03] <JoshStrobl> !topic
[15:03] <JoshStrobl> aww does that not work here?
[15:03] <JoshStrobl> tis' a shame
[15:04] <JoshStrobl> and they're live
[15:04] <elopio> hello.
[15:04] <JoshStrobl> Guys, get some lower-thirds for your names!
[15:04] <nik90> hi elopio
[15:04] <balloons> sorry, my IRC client timed out, hehe
[15:05] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[15:05] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: What hardware does a phone and a desktop need to do the convergence?
[15:05] <balloons> for anyone else who wants to join in the live session; https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcrCbBMHcQIN2y7CrA6CQt4jxQ6_YDjn1Gq570w4m5x5YxmNg
[15:06] <JoshStrobl> akiva-thinkpad, that question looks familiar :P
[15:06] <balloons> akiva-thinkpad, can you rephrase that; it's a bit confusing to me
[15:06] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[15:06] <balloons> akiva-thinkpad, feel free to unmute when needed:-)
[15:06] <akiva-thinkpad> yah I muted myself thanks
[15:06] <akiva-thinkpad> cool
[15:06] <JoshStrobl> balloons, I think he means "What hardware does a phone really need to act as a converted device?"
[15:07] <JoshStrobl> *converged
[15:09] <akiva-thinkpad> Yah the latest versions of many of the core apps are pretty old in that ppa
[15:09] <DS-McGuire> Can the desktop in 14.04 run a click package?
[15:10] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Does Unity 8 w/mir work with all the virtual machines yet? Which VM software do I need to use if I want to test it this way?
[15:11] <balloons> DS-McGuire, technically yes, but it's disconnected and you don't get apparmor support, etc. So really no :-)
[15:11] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Will Unity 8 w/mir have a live desktop that you can run off a USB?
[15:11] <seb128> akiva-thinkpad, there is one already
[15:11] <seb128> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[15:11] <akiva-thinkpad> seb128, /me is embarrassed!
[15:11] <akiva-thinkpad> I havn't actually installed it yet
[15:11] <DS-McGuire> balloons, Oh, that's a shame. I made a web app and uploaded it but I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't run :/
[15:12] <balloons> DS-McGuire, you should be able to install it as a click on unity8
[15:12] <nik90> DS-McGuire: well that's why you need to test on the emulator
[15:12] <DS-McGuire> I did get it to run on my Nexus 10 so it's all good, just wanted it on my desktop.
[15:12] <DS-McGuire> nik90, that's what I am planning to do today :)
[15:13] <nik90> DS-McGuire: the issue with click packages is that, some services like the content-hub is not available on the desktop. So there isn't a straightforward way to run sdk apps on the desktop.
[15:15] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: When are the desktop designs going to start to roll out?
[15:16] <greyback> unity8 on mir works on nouvau - I can confirm that
[15:16] <greyback> Mir alone does work on an AMD chip I've got
[15:17] <JoshStrobl> awesome
[15:17] <greyback> I'm trying to bring unity8 up on it with the free driver too
[15:17] <nik90> QUESTION: How does one test Unity8+Mir using a lxc container? Is that even possible?
[15:17] <JoshStrobl> Yea I use the open source AMD drivers. I just find them more performant and keeps my processors cooler than fglrx.
[15:18] <AlexColombia> hey guys i need information about kerberos bat in my conuntry don't exist many information about it.
[15:18] <JoshStrobl> AlexColombia, might be better to ask in #ubuntu
[15:18] <ChrisTownsend> wiki page on the container: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[15:19] <girox> QUESTION when will the "windowing" system land in NEXT?
[15:19] <nik90> ChrisTownsend: cool, thnx
[15:19] <ChrisTownsend> My plan on the unity8-lxc package is to get a few more bug fixes in and then attempt to get it in trusty-backports.
[15:19] <ChrisTownsend> nik90: np!
[15:20] <seb128> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity8-desktop-iso
[15:20] <seb128> ^ that has some workitems
[15:21] <nik90> ChrisTownsend: A trusty-backports might not be required as long as the PPA is up to date since I remember SRUs take a lot of time to be approved and released.
[15:23] <ChrisTownsend> nik90: Right, but it would be nice to have it in the archive (it's currently in the archive for Utopic/Vivid).  Backports are treated a bit different than SRU's since they are not aimed at security updates.
[15:23] <ChrisTownsend> nik90: I definitely will keep the PPA up to date though, so meh.:)
[15:23] <nik90> :)
[15:26] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Pardon my ignorance; is there a convenience app in this image for grabbing system logs? Are the syslogs for mir different than what system log (on unity7) currently uses?
[15:26] <seb128> no convenient app preinstalled, there is a logviewer in the click store
[15:27] <seb128> the system logs are similar to desktop yet
[15:27] <akiva-thinkpad> seb128, interesting.
[15:29] <elopio> here
[15:29] <akiva-thinkpad> o/
[15:30] <ChrisTownsend> It should work with Trusty and later.
[15:30] <ChrisTownsend> If not, it's a bug that I need to fix:)
[15:31] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: What????  I am professional:)
[15:31] <bregma> sry
[15:31] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[15:31] <balloons> ChrisTownsend, awesome thanks
[15:31] <ChrisTownsend> balloons: np!
[15:33] <girox> QUESTION: how can we the apps from ubuntu store on Ubuntu next desktop/unity 8?
[15:33] <girox> install
[15:34] <balloons> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds
[15:34] <justCarakas> girox: you need to use the app scope
[15:34] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[15:35] <girox> last time i've tried with a 14.10 next image didn't work
[15:35] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/83518/testcases
[15:35] <girox> i'll try 15.04 thanks
[15:36] <ddfdfd> yo mu niggas
[15:36] <ddfdfd> whats popping dawgs?
[15:38] <girox> QUESTION: how can we record/take screenshots of Ubuntu next/Unity8?
[15:39] <akiva-thinkpad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8-desktop-session
[15:39] <akiva-thinkpad> that is what I mean
[15:39] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[15:40] <akiva-thinkpad> okay great
[15:40] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: What kind of testing is needed from users?
[15:40] <justCarakas> girox: phablet-screenshot foo.png
[15:41] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: What basic use cases can Unity8 do now in terms of daily usage?
[15:41] <rickspencer3> girox, I know that willcooke has figured out how to make screen casts and such
[15:41] <akiva-thinkpad> Is screenshotting working on mir yet?
[15:41] <justCarakas> if you use phablet
[15:41] <girox> thanks
[15:41] <justCarakas> command I just typed
[15:41] <justCarakas> thats what I use for taking screenshots on my phone
[15:41] <akiva-thinkpad> Sys logs
[15:42] <greyback> hit vol up & down simultaneously, you get screenshot too
[15:43] <akiva-thinkpad> cool
[15:44] <dkessel> QUESTION: is there a way of running "traditional" desktop apps (from debs) from the unity8 launcher?
[15:44] <akiva-thinkpad> o/ zomtir
[15:45] <girox> hm.. what is this mirscreencast? https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/mirscreencast-utility
[15:46] <seb128> dkessel, things with a .desktop should be listed in the apps lens, if the desktop includes X-Ubuntu-Touch=true
[15:46] <akiva-thinkpad> dogfoodable?
[15:46] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[15:47] <akiva-thinkpad> Do questions!
[15:47] <greyback> girox: it's a mir screencasting tool. If you run it against unity-system-compositor, it should work. I doubt i will not work against unity8 though
[15:47] <dkessel> yay another unstable parallel installation on my system :D
[15:48] <girox> so i can record unity8 with mirscreencast? :D
[15:48] <girox> nice
[15:49] <greyback> girox: possible, not sure if that util is fully functional
[15:49] <greyback> but should be
[15:49] <girox> cool
[15:50] <akiva-thinkpad> ha
[15:50] <girox> thanks :>
[15:50] <akiva-thinkpad> okay good to know its coming
[15:51] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90> QUESTION: How does one test Unity8+Mir using a lxc container? Is that even possible?
[15:51] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Does Unity 8 w/mir work with all the virtual machines yet? Which VM software do I need to use if I want to test it this way?
[15:51] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: that was answered by ChrisTownsend on irc
[15:51] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: was referring to my question
[15:51] <akiva-thinkpad> true
[15:51] <akiva-thinkpad> just want to get it on record :)
[15:53] <dshimer> As an enthusiastic but non technical user I would gladly run U8 on my everyday box if I could install and use BtSync, Spideroak, or Dropbox.  All I use on 3 boxes is Ubuntu so if I knew that my data was still syncing and that I could walk over to one of the other systems if I needed to and continue work I would definitely do that.  Are there any cl
[15:53] <dshimer> oud syncs that currently work on U8
[15:55] <ObrienDave> Thank you all!!!
[15:55] <elopio> thanks
[15:56] <akiva-thinkpad> balloons, i'll think about writing a screenshot app, similar to shutter if needed.
[15:56] <DS-McGuire> Thanks!!
[15:56] <akiva-thinkpad> later
[15:56] <sj> thx
[15:56] <balloons> akiva-thinkpad, ohh, closing the gap, awesome
[15:56] <DS-McGuire> Where are we going now?
[15:56] <bregma> guniea pigs to dogfood - don't feed guinea pigs to dogs, they can choke on the little bones
[15:56] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, for me; filemanager app planning
[15:56] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, it will be a small session; we could use more people
[15:56] <DS-McGuire> I'll come. Whats the irc?
[15:57] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2
[15:57] <DS-McGuire> Thanks :)