[00:08] 2nd go-no-go is a go [00:09] say what? [00:09] that's about all we're gonna get until 2:35am UTC [00:09] daftykins, the ESA probe onto a comet [00:10] they're at the step where they send the command to burn a sharp turn towards the comet from a wide orbital path [00:10] diddledan: SO we're not going to really know anything tomorrow [00:10] ooh-err [00:11] penguin42, yeah, the livestream isn't due to finish until 20:00 UTC tomorrow - I think the actual capture will be somewhere tomorrow eve? [00:11] I should have taken notes [00:16] it's one hell of an accomplishment so far, but all I can really come up with is "oooh, purdy" (eg http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78214000/jpg/_78214682_78214681.jpg ) [00:17] oh my word [00:17] that looks like something from sci-fi [00:18] <3 [00:18] that's an awesome photo [00:18] yeh that's great [00:19] such a thin arm to that solar panel, assuming that's what it is [00:36] well, it has approximately no weight [01:01] yeah :D [01:01] or no mass ;) [01:01] oh I'm sure it has plenty of mass; actually I guess the bigger problem is inertia? [01:03] this one again [02:50] cosplay cylon anyone? http://www.geeknative.com/49333/incredible-cylon-centurion-cosplay-may-never-happen [02:52] heck [04:06] hi all...GAH my laptop still not shipped === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [07:06] morning [07:12] happy harpoon a comet day \o/ [07:54] hmm these tesco tablets really are cheap [07:54] the hudl 2 [07:55] i picked up a bt keyboard yesterday for €15 [07:56] i think someone on this channel got a hudl using a boatload of clubpoints cheaper than that [07:56] :D [07:56] i'm not in England though so don't even have a Tesco [07:56] don't think they'd ship to here even [07:56] haven [07:57] haven't seen one in ireland, and i have looked [07:57] they have cheap tablets for sale but nothing i like the look of. got my current asus in argos for €130 with nice case [08:41] yeah, directhex got his for less than 2 quid, my hudl2 was 40 quid [08:42] little bit dubious about intel atom usage [08:42] plus it doesn't seem to have much of an edge over say, the older Nexus 7 [08:43] ah well, was just the temptation to play with something new then try and palm off to mother-dearest ;) [08:44] There's not much difference between the hudl2 & N7 2013 models in use as far as I can see, wife's got one to replace a broken N7v2, it does the job as well as her old N7 [08:45] If anything it has some advantages (micro sd slot etc) [08:45] ah yes [08:45] strangely the tesco website accepts a Guernsey postcode [08:45] Speed wise its the same, battery life appears pretty similar, resolution is slightly worse due to the bigger screen, but not noticable [08:45] hdmi too [08:46] popey: Yep [08:46] it also feels more robust to me than the nexus range [08:46] i like the larger screen, especially for movies/tv [08:46] I spent the entire flight to USA watching films / TV. Was glorious [08:46] It is thicker and heavier, but not excessively so [08:46] battery life was ~6-7 hours while constantly watching video [08:46] yes. [08:46] fits in my back pocket ☻ [08:47] Big pockets [08:47] XD [08:47] well, sticks out vertically [08:47] or big backside... :-) [08:47] but i can put it in and walk about, i did so at the sprint, and used it for checking my calendar [08:47] I'd recommend them [08:47] all of the above [08:48] bought a cheap winter coat from lidl and found it has an internal pocket that will hold the 7" tablet nicely [08:48] zmoylan-pi: We got a BT keyboard for £10 in a local discount shop [08:49] nice! [08:49] desktop size or pocket size bt kb? [08:49] About the same size as an N7 [08:50] the bt keyboard i got is same size give or take a few mm as 7" tablet [08:51] squishy soft rubber buttons but should be useable with a little practice [08:52] today (well yesterday) I learned of "livestreamer" [08:52] livestreamer http://new.livestream.com/ESA/cometlanding best [08:52] watching the comet thing [08:55] popey, did I miss anything on the comet landing? [08:56] http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30012854 'thruster system used to push the robot into the surface of the comet when it touches down could not be primed' [08:56] not yet [08:56] :/ [08:56] so fingers crossed it still makes it [08:57] ugh £45 to see a doctor over here these days [08:57] blimey [08:57] do you not have NHS style healthcare? [08:57] Good morning peeps :) [08:58] morning all [08:59] http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/11/leak-download-lollipop-lrx21p-factory-image-for-2012-nexus-7-wifi/ interesting [08:59] popey: nah, you pay for GP consultations but you can get seen practically same day if you're early enough [08:59] i've always been given the impression there's a wait in England? [08:59] depends [08:59] I usually get same day appointment [09:00] depends how urgent it is [09:00] i didn't pay anything after my accident, even referrals to the physio [09:00] daftykins: whereabouts are you? [09:01] Guernsey, channel islands [09:01] we're nestled in just above France [09:01] *nod* [09:02] some would have us labelled french mutations ;) [09:02] hehe [09:02] what's kind of amusing is i've got a doctors surgery just along the high street from me now, but i've not been since i was a couple of miles away at my parents place, where it was a short stroll down the road [09:02] i'm just surprised apple hasn't bought the islands as a tax haven :-p [09:02] where i am, if you ring up before 8 they can try and get you in for an emergency [09:03] zmoylan-pi: the Queen wouldn't allow it ;) [09:04] think of all the corgis she could get with apples kind of dosh, she could turn wales into giant corgi sanctuary :-p [09:04] Someone just said "yes!" on the stream. I presume this is a good thing [09:04] they might've just gotten given their tax rebate ;) [09:04] or his system finally rebooted on patch tuesday... [09:05] hahaha [09:06] amusing part 2 is that they'll charge me an admin fee to sign up to another branch 0o [09:06] the island's 26 square miles :( heh [09:08] MooDoo: i have never had a problem getting a same-day appointment, the only appoitment challenge i've encounter is when trying to book a follow-up appointment in say three days or whatever as they will generally have booked up the appointments not allocated for same-day and try to offer you one in three weeks instead :) [09:11] Just a heads up for people updating to Android 5.0, if you use SkyGo, be aware it doesn't work with the lollipop yet and no date on when the updated app will be available [09:13] Which is a bit frustrating for me as it looks like the LgG3 is getting the update starting this week [09:14] christel: :p ;) [09:14] I'm waiting for the Nexus 5 UTA [09:14] OTA [09:15] I assume there will be an OTA for Nexus 7 2012? [09:15] I heard a rumour that the iphone was getting Lollipop before the nexus 5 :) [09:15] given they showed a leaked image (linked above) [09:15] popey: You'd assume so [09:17] i'm already not fond of the new materials design gmail on my Nexus 4 [09:17] if not I don't mind flashing clean. I dont actually use my nexus 7 2012 for anything other than irssinotifier [09:17] but ho-hum, classic change i guess [09:17] yeah, i dont like the new gmail app [09:17] http://www.idigitaltimes.com/android-50-lollipop-release-date-nexus-5-nexus-7-nexus-10-nexus-4-get-ota-rollout-394243 [09:18] Rollout from 12th November [09:18] Includes N7 but doesn't specifify which N7 models [09:19] https://twitter.com/Tesco/status/529927865840971776 [09:19] pffft [09:20] to be fair google haven't released AOSP yet [09:20] so it's hard for anyone (other than big partners) to do any updates [09:20] popey: google released 5.0 sources [09:20] popey: and people have compiled AOSP roms from them [09:20] there's a certain rabid nature to those desiring updates, though i'm not even particularly sure there's much to be after [09:21] oh they have now? [09:21] popey: several weeks ago already I think [09:21] daftykins: +1 [09:21] they hadn't last time I looked. [09:22] nah, they didnt back a week ago [09:22] who are these people that foam at the mouth I MUST HAVE IT NOOOOW [09:22] http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-5.0-Lollipop-source-hits-AOSP-including-some-Nexus-branches_id62443 [09:22] ^ 9 days ago [09:22] so we're both right, good enough [09:22] i for one will laugh and watch for the bad news post-update then wait for fixed releases ;D [09:25] wow [09:25] http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/10/28/nexus-5-owners-check-your-google-play-movies-tv-app-you-might-have-a-free-copy-of-gravity-waiting-for-you/ [09:27] shame it's terrible ;) [09:27] daftykins: free is free 8-) [09:28] oh wow shaun the sheep is free on my nexus 4 [09:28] wow [09:28] i've never even run Play Movies & TV before [09:28] daftykins: game? got a link? [09:28] film apparently sir [09:29] i liked gravity, lots wrong with it but nicely done [09:30] just seemed a bit like calamity-Bullock breaking everything in her path to me ;) [09:30] yeah, i liked gravity too, watched it a few times [09:30] Moon is also great [09:30] some people are just bad with tech, we used one manager to test all software as he could make the most dependable debugged software crash [09:30] daftykins: i didn't know the film had come out yet [09:32] it's nice to see hard sci fi instead of whizz bang aliens sci fi for a change [09:32] and a 7 minute episode daftykins but its a great one [09:32] * zmoylan-pi is hoping the do foundation justice as tv series [09:32] not sure how they can though [09:33] There's only one scify movie to watch, all time classic "Silent Running" [09:33] 2010 [09:33] heh this shaun the sheep thing is only 7 mins [09:33] the day the earth stood still [09:33] oops yes foobarry :D [09:34] daftykins: children have short attention spans [09:34] Good morning all; happy World Architecture Day! :-D [09:34] so do i apparently [09:34] :> [09:35] Is that computer architecture or buildings? [09:35] JamesTait: 32 or 64 bit? [09:35] DJones, YES! [09:52] bigcalm: don't know what you oooo look a unicorn :) [09:53] :P [09:53] That's a cat with an inflatable horn [09:53] cats and inflatable are brief acquaintences [09:57] i've been introduced to Star Trek TOS recently, an episode had these dogs with horns fitted to their heads XD [09:57] henceforth to be known as 'dogicorns' [09:57] original flash gordon had iguanas with rubber frills :-) [09:58] a client has just email'd me saying a supplier of their has graphics in their email signatures - so they want to do the same [09:58] it appears to be three images hosted on their site embedded into an HTML email [09:59] and how big is the image? [09:59] e.g. http://www.specialistglass.co.uk/esignatures/michael-mccabe.jpg [09:59] then then terms and conditions in the image won't apply as they may not be available when the email is read [09:59] http://www.specialistglass.co.uk/esignatures/gallery.jpg and http://www.specialistglass.co.uk/esignatures/footer.jpg [10:00] yeah i'm surprised they saw them without having to enable it in Outlook or some such [10:01] ho-hum, told 'em i don't do graphics anyway so i'm no help [10:03] Morning intrbiz [10:04] morning bigcalm [10:04] Hi davmor2 [10:04] davmor2: how's your health? [10:05] howdy davmor2 me ole mate me ole pal [10:05] bigcalm: better today but I'll let you know latter if I'm going, I want to be well enough that I don't infect you all :) [10:05] flee! MooDoo's looking for a favour!! :-) [10:06] davmor2: sharing is caring! [10:07] zmoylan-pi: no he isn't, He's not dumb enough to ask me for a favour it means he owes me and my favours are far worse ;) [10:07] christel: not this close to the christmas meal it isn't :) [10:07] there's obviously a complicated back story that should be in the channel header :-) [10:08] Morning MooDoo me owld mucka 'ow am ya [10:09] davmor2: crackin lad.... [10:10] intrbiz: dude really have you moved over to the darkside or is this just the busier channel for wolves lug now :) [10:11] davmor2: nothing wrong with the dark side :D [10:11] dark toblerone.... mmmmmm [10:12] MooDoo: I didn't say there was we're the happiest people on the planet :) [10:12] davmor2: not sharing is preferable :) [10:13] bigcalm: indeed :) [10:16] MooDoo: So I woke up this morning and the tune playing loud in my head was the Kinks Lola [10:16] morning boys and girls. [10:16] was listening to that song while walking to shops yesterday, still a great song [10:20] speaking of music, i dumped a lot of MP3 for FLAC rips yesterday, seems the ol' Music folder has ballooned to 160GB now :O [10:20] 252G Muziek [10:20] daftykins: lightweight ;) [10:20] ^_^ [10:20] i could still prune a lot of that out ;) [10:21] I have most of this (the stuff I didn't buy as a download..) as proper CDs as well :) [10:21] no vinyl? [10:21] MartijnVdS: do you use FLAC? [10:22] daftykins: yes [10:22] I may be forced to listen to The Lord of the Rings bbc radio adaptation on all 13 cds [10:22] zmoylan-pi: I have some vinyl too, but those come with mp3 downloads OR flac downloads these days 8-) [10:23] davmor2: my my, you'll wear out the eject motor! [10:23] i would love to get the version of the hobbit read on jackanory by cribbins [10:23] 24/96 FLAC i hope? ;) [10:24] daftykins: Ripping CDs to anything other than 44100/16 bit is a bit useless [10:25] i know that, but i refer to vinyl ripping [10:25] which is oft done to 24/96 [10:25] zmoylan-pi: I have the bbc adaptation of the hobbit too [10:27] i must stop using my parents co-op share number (you get 4p in the pound over here dividend) but i don't fancy another 5 digit number to remember :D [10:28] hmm [10:28] I'd run out of space on my phone if I used flac [10:28] very quickly [10:28] well you transcode for mobile devices [10:28] have you seen mp3fs? [10:28] reminds me, need to get a couple of 32GB SD cards [10:28] because the processing overhead for FLAC causes rapid battery drain on mobile too [10:28] http://khenriks.github.io/mp3fs/ [10:28] ahayzen: ^^ you use flac on your ubuntu phone? [10:29] popey, i do yes 8GB of flac on the device pretty much :) [10:29] just need kitchen-sinkfs now [10:29] ahayzen: battery life suffers? [10:29] popey, not really lasted the whole plane from DC->LHR and bus ride to oxford with still ~50%+ battery left :) [10:30] blimey [10:30] popey, the CPU usage isn't too different to playing mp3s [10:30] the (rough estimate) 10x greater IO to read a 10x larger file would speak of a definite difference [10:30] thats like 12 hours or so? [10:30] ahayzen: it's gstreamer + codec isn't it? [10:31] daftykins: they have that, it's called a dishwasher [10:31] popey, yeah ages... as Jim said to me at the sprint we are rivalling android/ios for battery life already when just playing music (and the app has a lifecycle exception :P) [10:31] nice [10:31] thats something we get asked about a lot [10:31] "Yeah, but what's the battery life like!?" [10:32] well cramming what is a full desktop os into a mobile device will generate questions on battery [10:32] popey, i detailed some of the different CPU usages of formats while investigating bug 1373392 [10:32] bug 1373392 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "[mako] high cpu usage when playing audio via speaker" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373392 [10:33] zmoylan-pi: sure. [10:33] ahayzen: hah, that bug is a bit lolworthy ☻ [10:33] there's some bizarre behaviour on mobile devices [10:34] popey, yeah i was like so playing via bluetooth uses *less* CPU \o/ [10:34] yeah [10:34] popey, the pulse guys reckoned the reason was playing via bluetooth has a higher buffer size [10:34] heh that seems utterly backwards [10:34] * zmoylan-pi is very happy with battery life on feature phone nokia. no matter how much i use it in a day i can't get it below 75% left :-) [10:35] zmoylan-pi: which model? [10:35] nokia asha 201 [10:35] nice [10:35] that thing looks like a blackberry! [10:35] and i've bounced it off ground a few times to show people how much it doesn't care [10:35] ahayzen: I blame you for this ;) [10:35] haha [10:36] only thing missing at the mo is a good java text editor for it [10:36] davmor2, well it is todo with music-app ;) ... can i blame tvoss ? [10:36] ahayzen: no but you are aloud to blame jhodapp [10:36] a friend bought some new form of nokia device, he's even got whatsapp on it now but refuses to use it to message us for free X| [10:37] davmor2, hehe :) [10:37] allowed even [10:37] well, 'free' [10:37] * popey hugs telegram [10:37] popey, is there a telegram click yet or do you still have to build it? [10:39] golly.. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/whatsapp-compatible-native-client-for-ubuntu-phone/x/1051579 [10:39] he hit the target [10:40] glad facebook haven't ruined it... yet. [10:41] give them time [10:41] :) [10:45] they have time to absorb it into facebook messenger yet [10:45] davmor2: got time for some music testing? ☻ [10:46] davmor2: *shudder* [10:46] * ahayzen hides and pretends music is working perfectly [10:47] heh [10:47] * popey emails [10:48] why is gstreamer so bad at format support? [10:49] mpv can play most formats, and if you install the proper ffmpeg it can play nearly anything [10:49] gstreamer freezes and crashes with anything but a few simple formats, and if oyu install the real ffmpeg it doesn't work at all [10:50] popey I might have [10:50] the problem is that you have the strayed from the true path of vlc :-p [10:51] vlc is rubbish [10:51] ahayzen: chicken [10:51] it can play any format as long as you don't mind the audio and video is always out of sync [10:51] * zmoylan-pi never has that problem with vlc. ymmv [10:51] * brobostigon neither. [10:52] and i use the oldest, cheapest, nastiest hardware with the least ram [10:52] i see vlc sync issues sometimes [10:52] also vlc didn't play a format for me yesterday :( [10:52] it also can't play back HD footage at 30 FPS because it is too slow [10:53] which format? [10:53] g2m4 codec [10:54] 12.04 ubuntu doesn't have a vlc available that runs it [10:57] yeah, I've mostly switched from vlc to mpv [10:57] seems much better/leaner [10:58] whats mpv? [10:58] !info mpv [10:58] mpv (source: mpv): video player based on MPlayer/mplayer2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-1ubuntu3 (utopic), package size 764 kB, installed size 1951 kB [10:59] codec not available "enable it at compilation" [11:00] vs gstreamers, "codec not available? please wait..... ..... ..... would you like me to download it from the internet? ..... please wait some more ....... ...... sorry I couldn't download it." === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [11:00] VLC does not support the audio or video format "G2M4". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this. [11:01] heh [11:01] what the hell is g2m4? [11:01] gotomeeting webcast [11:02] these things tend to crop up a bit if there's a conf call via gotomeeting [11:02] webinars etc [11:02] ya [11:04] foobarry: latest vlc has support but that won't be the version we have for a little while though there is a ppa for it [11:06] MooDoo: bit of stairway to heaven now dude === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [11:11] davmor2: hungergames soundtrack [11:13] davmor2: ppa in 12.04? i can only get 2.0.8 from vlc ppa i found [11:14] back later! [11:24] bug 1391837 [11:24] bug 1391837 in vlc (Ubuntu) "Blocky video with some files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391837 [11:34] foobarry: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/stable-daily try that one [11:35] yes, have that one. gave me 2.0.8 [11:35] doesn't matter, will try on my other pc when i want to watch these [11:36] with newer buntu [11:42] ah, didn't realise that xkcd was doing a 'live' cartoon today. :-) http://xkcd.com/ [11:44] yes thanks for popey telling us :-) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:48] does anything happen in it? [11:49] when does it start [11:49] oh , something appeared now [11:59] aww yeah, second and third cycle trips survived - recycling taken \o/ [11:59] hah, sunlight is right in my eyes right now, where i sit at my desktop [12:00] gotta lean in over the keyboard to avoid it ;) [12:00] make a call to mr. burns and see if his giant block out the sun device is for sale [12:00] my patio is getting dug up today [12:01] zmoylan-pi: i'm on it! [12:01] wonder what they will find [12:02] foobarry: So, that's where Lord Lucan went.... [12:02] i'm only the third person to live here since it was built in 1930s [12:02] and one of the others was my sister (previous owner) [12:03] and shergar [12:07] no he's in the freezer [12:07] yours or tescos? :-) [12:08] my papers go back a few centuries on my 17th century cottage :> [12:08] (for previous owners) [12:08] and you're still waiting for solicter from them to get back to you? :-D [12:08] :D [12:08] also, local property records are in French [12:08] Lunchtime! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30000934 [12:09] wee [12:09] legal and general let me upload my pgp key for them to encrypt mails to [12:09] Laney: Wow - how did you get them to do that? [12:09] it's some symantec secure mail system they use [12:10] made an offer they couldn't refuse, brought muffins? :-) [12:10] Laney: oh yeh I remember having to use the web interface on that once but didn't see any pgp thin [12:10] g [12:10] was an option when receiving the first mail [12:10] you could probably go back in and set it up now [12:16] popey: it is so wrong it is nearly right indeed, i would totally try that :s [12:24] i like the quote - "...why is this sort of food available?" [12:24] something something something... demand? :> [12:30] chop chop 5,000 or 9,000 files copied [12:30] s/or/of/ [12:38] hi guys. i'm using GNOME Terminal 3.12.3, couple of odd behaviours, i'm having very laggy rendering (in gnome-shell 3.12 from gnome3-team ppa) and when i scale text (ctrl-{+,-} [12:39] it resizes the window, rather than just scaling the text and keeping the window at the existing dimensions.. it's actually exactly what i don't want [12:39] the one thing i want is text-reflow. otherwise i'd be back in terminator :P [12:40] has anyone got alternative terminals/fixes for gnome terminal? [12:42] i wonder if there's a gnome channel give your use of a PPA === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:31] On a roll today, had a power cut which turned all my stuff off, MicroServer won't boot because of the hard drive that failed, and my 70mbit fibre is http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3903524619 [13:31] going for the high score of failure? o.O [13:33] Azelphur: :( [13:33] i'd go back to bed ;) [13:33] Wednesday is cancelled! [13:38] i cancelled wednesday & went back to bed [13:38] just got up [13:38] still tired [13:38] my personal /best/ for failures was it took 6 hours to replace a dodgy floppy drive. and it destroyed 3 other drives in the attempt/process. [13:39] ouch! HDDs? [13:39] ooh-err suns gone so it's cold again [13:39] * daftykins battons down the hatches [13:43] zmoylan-pi: Please don't say this, I need to go and remount a drive later [13:43] lol [13:43] or when i went to do some dust maintenance on my file server, the PSU died and i couldn't use it until a replacement arrived :( [13:43] Azelphur: It's pretty impressive getting that sort of upload with almost no download [13:44] :D [13:44] quite the async role reversal [13:44] daftykins: I've got 2 drives in a RAID, and the 2nd drive makes the case vibrate strongly, I've put up with it for months now but it's driving me nuts [13:44] penguin42: indeed, it has happened before when my ISP has oversold a location [13:44] I'm gonna get angry with them if that's the case this time [13:45] penguin42: doh! you need some nice rubber grommets or some such :D [13:45] i remember my boss ran out of compressed air dusters so brought an ancient cpm computer to nearest garage and used their vaccuum to clean out the 10 years of dust and cobwebs. never worked again [13:45] Azelphur: If you've had a power cut it's possible the DSLAM in the cabinet has also lost power and it's just figuring out again [13:45] daftykins: Yeh I was thinking a lump of foam and mounting the drive on a tray [13:45] penguin42: could be, the cabinet is right outside [13:45] that's hopefully more likely than them overselling for a third time [13:47] Azelphur: Well, I'd expect them to oversell, but it would be surprising if it happened to kick in just as you had a power outage, unless your electricity company is also overselling.... [13:47] Azelphur: they actually admit it? [13:48] daftykins: yes, they actually admitted it both times and reprioritised my line after much complaining so that I had some semblance of a functional connection [13:48] they didn't use the word overselling, they said "an influx of new customers" [13:48] ah-har [13:49] which to me equates to "You sold my internet connection to someone else" [13:49] :P [13:54] saw a puma and chinook at lunchtime overhead === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:55] must've been one scared puma getting airlifted ;) [13:58]