[00:04] <Quixx> For what it's worth, wallpapers for desktop 1 aren't being displayed on desktop 2... or desktop 1.
[00:08] <brainwash> Quixx: is it a bug?
[00:08] <brainwash> if yes, please report it here https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[00:11] <Quixx> I dun wanna make an account just to report one bug
[00:19] <Quixx> Also why does alt+scroll change zoom now instead of window transparency/
[00:19] <Quixx> ?
[00:22] <brainwash> Quixx: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=e7da725aab39018f54383dc6e8a64eccd8793035
[00:24] <Quixx> oh nevermind it's middle click+left and right
[00:24] <brainwash> also, I don't know how to help you with the wallpaper issue and you are not willing to report it :/
[00:25] <Quixx> Well a report would basically just be posting what I've posted here
[00:26] <Quixx> I'd be willing to write out whatever extra info is needed, but I don't feel like creating an account on a site that I'm probably not going to use more than once or twice.
[00:26] <Unit193> But in a place devs can referece it and read it.
[00:26] <brainwash> this is a support channel, devs are not reading it
[00:28] <ali1234> i'm reading it
[00:29] <knome> well, the developers are sometimes reading this channel, but it's not really a given...
[00:31] <xyzone> so does anybody know where the configuration of per-user dual screens is?
[00:31] <ali1234> ~/.config/monitors.xml
[00:34] <ali1234> also in the displays xfconf channel
[00:34] <Quixx> If someone really cared they could put it in the bug report thing since they used the site somewhat frequently.
[00:34] <ali1234> Quixx: we can't do that and here is why
[00:34] <ali1234> if i write a bug report saying "wallpapers for desktop 1 aren't being displayed on desktop 2... or desktop 1."
[00:35] <ali1234> eric is going to read it and then say "it works for me, how do i reproduce this?"
[00:35] <ali1234> and i'm going to say back "i dunno, it works for me too"
[00:35] <ali1234> and then we aren't going to fix it
[00:35] <Quixx> But if I write in what the problem is
[00:35] <Quixx> and someone says they can't reproduce it
[00:35] <Quixx> I'm never going to see it because I'll forget to check the site
[00:35] <ali1234> the site will email you
[00:36] <Quixx> In any case the two monitors are rotating images from septate folders, it seems like the setting for monitor 2 are just being forced on monitor 1 for some strange reason. Image cycle timer still works from desk1 settings but desk2 timer counts as well, and images are all based on desk2 settings.
[00:37] <knome> Quixx, pretty please, file a bug
[00:37] <knome> Quixx, you can even file it in on launchpad if you are more comfortable with it
[00:38] <Quixx> do I have to make an account for launchpad?
[00:39] <knome> Quixx, https://login.launchpad.net/+login
[00:41] <xyzone> ali1234, there is no such file in xubuntu 14.04
[00:41] <ali1234> xyzone: it is created by some monitor config tools
[00:41] <ali1234> the xfce one uses xfconf however
[00:42] <ali1234> xfconf-query -c displays -l -v
[00:42] <ali1234> if you use multiple different monitor config tools they will fight each other and mess everything up. sad but true
[00:42] <ali1234> also, if you use nvidia binary driver, probably none of them will work properly and you must use nvidia-settings, which is not per-user at all
[00:43] <xyzone> ali1234, I'm using the default dual monitor application that pops up when you connect an external monitor
[00:43] <ali1234> Quixx: if you do report a bug, please attach output from xrand and xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -l -v
[00:44] <ali1234> xrandr sorry
[01:37] <xyzone> Ok, the displays are at ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[02:36] <n-iCe> Hello guys
[02:39] <ObrienDave> Greetings & Welcome
[02:39] <n-iCe> How are you?
[02:40] <ObrienDave> good, thanks. do you have a support issue?
[02:41] <n-iCe> Well, I'm thinking on install xubuntu
[02:42] <ObrienDave> what are you running currently?
[02:42] <n-iCe> no idea which distro I want
[02:42] <n-iCe> crunchbang
[02:42] <ObrienDave> never used it. you like functionality or bells and whistles?
[02:43] <n-iCe> I like something fast, and small
[02:44] <ObrienDave> I like Xubuntu. it just plain works
[02:44] <ObrienDave> I should say, all 'buntu distros share the same core. just different DE
[02:45] <ObrienDave> I like most XFCE distros
[02:46] <n-iCe> but
[02:46] <n-iCe> is ubuntu slower than xfce'
[02:46] <n-iCe> I mean, does it feel slower?
[02:47] <ObrienDave> that would be a matter of opinion. XFCE is certainly lighter on resources than Unity DE.
[02:48] <ObrienDave> but with 'buntu, you can easily switch DEs
[02:48] <ObrienDave> I have XFCE, fluxbox, enlightenment19, and i3 installed
[02:49] <n-iCe> wow, why
[02:49] <ObrienDave> just because i can :)
[02:51] <ObrienDave> you could also. easy enough to install different DEs. Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Unity, Gnome. etc. if you like
[02:51] <ObrienDave> without reinstalling the core system
[02:52] <n-iCe> would not like that
[02:52] <n-iCe> I am downloading XFCE right now
[02:52] <ObrienDave> cool
[02:52] <n-iCe> how to boot from a usb, I think unetbootin does not work?
[02:52] <n-iCe> with it'
[02:53] <ObrienDave> unetbootin is recommended for USB stick. i prefer to write ISO to DVD/RW. i've had better luck that way
[02:54] <Unit193> !usb
[02:54] <Unit193> You can also use dd or one of many other tools.
[02:54] <n-iCe> thanks
[02:54] <ObrienDave> or, burn ISO to DVD, use that to install to USB stick. gives you a live, portable system :)
[02:54] <n-iCe> I just have a usb
[02:55] <ObrienDave> ok, unetbootin or dd commands. i am not familiar with dd
[02:55] <n-iCe> ok
[02:55] <n-iCe> thanks
[02:56] <ObrienDave> welcome
[02:56] <n-iCe> where are you from
[02:56] <ObrienDave> Oregon
[02:59] <n-iCe> 4minutes more
[03:00] <ObrienDave> do you have Virtualbox or something like that?
[03:00] <n-iCe> no
[03:00] <n-iCe> why
[03:01] <ObrienDave> you could install it to VM and not mess up your current system, if you don't like Xubuntu
[03:01] <n-iCe> I don't care about formatting all
[03:01] <n-iCe> indeed,  don't like VM
[03:01] <ObrienDave> ok
[03:06] <n-iCe> brb ObrienDave
[03:06] <n-iCe> doone
[03:06] <ObrienDave> k
[03:07] <n-iCe> how can I run a ./unetbootin and see what's going on
[03:07] <n-iCe> because did not launch
[03:08] <Unit193> Install it from the archive.
[03:19] <n-iCe> Im back
[03:19] <n-iCe> on xubuntu
[03:19] <n-iCe> installation does not detect I am connected already to the internet
[03:20] <ObrienDave> no clue on that one
[03:21] <n-iCe> anyway
[03:21] <n-iCe> It is installing, and it looks awesome
[03:21] <n-iCe> and so fast
[03:21] <ObrienDave> cool
[03:23] <n-iCe> Can I change the top bar color?
[03:25] <ObrienDave> you can. easier to change themes. i use clearlooks and crux
[03:27] <n-iCe> ok
[03:28] <ObrienDave> hmm, don;t have clearlooks anymore. sec
[03:31] <ObrienDave> my mistake. under settings, appearance, you'll find crux and clearlooks
[08:43] <james0r> when removing my AC Plug i'm getting a big drop in screen brightness. not seeing a setting for this in the power manager though.
[08:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> go to the xfce power management settings in your taskbar
[08:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> go to preferences and then look under battery. there u see a tab called monitor where you can set the default percentage in brightness
[08:54] <james0r> Mike-Linux-NL, i'm on 14.10. I dont have a tab called 'monitor' but i do have one called 'Display'. But there are no settings for default brightness under this tab
[08:55] <Mike-Linux-NL>  it should say Level at the bottom
[08:55] <Mike-Linux-NL> where you can set a percentage
[08:58] <james0r> Mike-Linux-NL, only for "on inactivity reduce to" however this should apply to when i unplug my ac plug (and am active) and just for kicks and giggles i tried it and sure enough it doesn't apply
[08:58] <james0r> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16833274/Screenshot%20-%2011122014%20-%2003%3A56%3A11%20PM.png
[08:58] <james0r> that's my Xfce power manager dialog window
[09:09] <james0r> eh found a script that fixes it for now
[09:37] <BalTun> hi
[11:30] <BalTun> I'm trying to use phpbrew to switch php versions
[11:31] <BalTun> but it switches only in console and in site there is still another version
[11:33] <ObrienDave> you might ask in #ubuntu. more people there to help
[11:37] <BalTun> thanks
[18:41] <shamilm> help
[18:42] <GridCube> !ask | shamilm
[18:42] <shamilm> !h
[18:42] <shamilm> !
[18:45] <armstrong> need help with optical dvd drive, xubuntu wont recognise it
[18:46] <holstein> armstrong: i would think of it the other way.. your optical drive either doesnt seem to be supporting linux, or you have not learned to configure it to.. you are unable to get it to read *any* discs? or just DVD's? can the bios see it? can you test it with another operating system that the DVD drive supports officiall?
[18:47] <armstrong> thanks holstein
[18:47] <armstrong> bios sees it, and its worked on other systems
[18:47] <armstrong>  *-cdrom
[18:47] <armstrong>        description: DVD-RAM writer
[18:47] <armstrong>        product: DVD+-RW GA11N
[18:47] <armstrong>        vendor: HL-DT-ST
[18:47] <armstrong>        physical id: 0.0.0
[18:47] <armstrong>        bus info: scsi@1:0.0.0
[18:47] <armstrong>        logical name: /dev/cdrom
[18:47] <armstrong>        logical name: /dev/dvd
[18:47] <holstein> !paste
[18:47] <armstrong>        logical name: /dev/sr0
[18:47] <armstrong>        version: A102
[18:47] <armstrong>        capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
[18:47] <armstrong>        configuration: ansiversion=5 status=ready
[18:47] <armstrong>      *-medium
[18:48] <armstrong>           physical id: 0
[18:48] <armstrong>           logical name: /dev/cdrom
[18:48] <armstrong> just not working on xubuntu
[18:48] <holstein> armstrong: has it *ever* worked with *any* linux? what is not working? any/all discs? or just DVD playback?
[18:48] <armstrong> all discs holstein
[20:45] <matrixa1> How do I stop the battery from charging above a certain percentage?
[20:45] <brainwash> matrixa1: does your hardware support this feature?
[20:46] <matrixa1> Or modify the "charge" and "charged" thresholds separately?
[20:46] <matrixa1> brainwash, I don't own a thinkpad, no
[20:47] <matrixa1> except, I have an issue where the battery is charging/charged/charging/charged etc. at 93%
[20:47] <matrixa1> so one of those threasholds is wrong
[20:48] <brainwash> I guess you've already asked google, right?
[20:48] <matrixa1> and the issue was not present in 14.04, but is present in 14.10
[20:48] <matrixa1> brainwash, i've asked google, and it only has answers for thinkpad models
[20:48] <matrixa1> if the solutions was a modprobe it I would've solved it mysel
[20:49] <brainwash> your problem is not xubuntu specific, so I recommend that you also ask in #ubuntu
[20:49] <brainwash> it's a hardware specific issue I'd guess
[20:49] <Guest35977> does anyone know of a voice chat program that can do ip to ip calling? (no accounts)
[20:50] <matrixa1> brainwash, THANKS, AND WILL DO
[20:50] <matrixa1> caps apologies
[20:50] <brainwash> matrixa1: hopefully you'll get a better answer :)
[20:51] <matrixa1> brainwash, will delve into kernel specific modules that regulate battery charging
[20:51] <matrixa1> and see if the #ubuntu swarm knows anything
[20:51] <brainwash> :D
[20:52] <brainwash> Guest35977: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software
[20:55] <Guest35977> great so basically there isnt a single voice program besides mumble
[21:49] <temje>  Hey folks. I'm running Xubuntu 14.04.1. I recently uninstalled steam with 'sudo apt-get remove steam' and now all I get is a grey screen upon login. I can still run guake though!
[21:50] <temje> any ideas?
[21:57] <brainwash> temje: can you run the app finder? alt + f2
[21:58] <temje> I'll find out in a sec!
[21:59] <brainwash> or open the application menu via ctrl + esc
[21:59] <temje> app finder works
[22:00] <temje> ctrl + esp says: Failed to execute child process "xfce4-popup-whiskermenu" (no such file or directory)
[22:01] <brainwash> from the appfinder you can start the different Xfce components like "xfce4-panel" and "xfdesktop"
[22:02] <temje> nope
[22:02] <temje> no such file or directory
[22:02] <brainwash> but I would suggest that you run "xfce4-settings-manager" and navigate to Session and Startup > Session and clear the session cache
[22:02] <brainwash> then relog
[22:02] <brainwash> did you remove any Xfce related packages?
[22:03] <brainwash> also, try to log into the guest session
[22:03] <temje> xfce4-settings-manager worked
[22:04] <temje> i cleared the session cache
[22:04] <brainwash> if the guest session is not initialized properly, then there might be something missing package wise
[22:04] <brainwash> ok
[22:05] <temje> how do i logout from terminal?
[22:06] <brainwash> xfce4-session-logout --logout
[22:06] <brainwash> I think
[22:06] <temje> yep!
[22:07] <temje> hmmm now i get the desktop background, still no panel
[22:07] <temje> guest session is the same
[22:07] <brainwash> what is the terminal output of "apt-cache policy xfce4-panel"?
[22:09] <temje> xfce4-panel:
[22:09] <temje> Installed: (none)
[22:09] <brainwash> ok
[22:09] <brainwash> it is not installed
[22:09] <temje> straaaange
[22:09] <brainwash> sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel
[22:10] <temje> done
[22:10] <brainwash> maybe also run "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop"
[22:10] <brainwash> in case more packages gone missing
[22:11] <temje> oooh yep, 31 newly installed packages
[22:11] <brainwash> :)
[22:12] <temje> is there something I have to do to make everything start automatically again?
[22:12] <temje> PS Thanks!!!
[22:13] <brainwash> clearing the session cache should do the trick
[22:14] <brainwash> the panel is now loaded properly, or?
[22:15] <brainwash> just want to make sure :)
[22:15] <temje> just cleared the cache, now restarting
[22:15] <temje> same thing
[22:16] <temje> grey screen
[22:16] <temje> now i can launch the panel from the app finder though
[22:16] <brainwash> what about the guest session?
[22:17] <temje> works perfectly
[22:17] <brainwash> now that's odd
[22:18] <brainwash> try to clear the session cache manually, ~/.cache/sessions
[22:18] <temje> clear it? as in remove everything in it?
[22:18] <brainwash> yes
[22:19] <temje> and then login or restart?
[22:19] <brainwash> relog
[22:19] <temje> now desktop background is there, but no panel
[22:20] <brainwash> take a look at ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[22:21] <brainwash> starting the panel manually works fine, right?
[22:21] <temje> hold on, got it! i cleared the session from the guest account the first time.
[22:21] <temje> the only strange thing now is right-clicking on the desktop does nothing
[22:22] <temje> or dragging
[22:22] <brainwash> oh, that does not make much sense :P
[22:22] <brainwash> dragging desktop icons?
[22:23] <temje> I don't have any desktop icons (i don't normally) but usually a box appears when you drag
[22:23] <brainwash> looks like xfdesktop is not running either
[22:24] <brainwash> start it manually
[22:25] <temje> yep that worked
[22:27] <brainwash> if both components still do not start automatically, you'll have to backup your xfce4 config files and test again
[22:27] <brainwash> simply rename ~/.config/xfce4
[22:27] <brainwash> and relog
[22:29] <temje> same thing except now my panel is on top
[22:30] <brainwash> can you upload your ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log ?
[22:30] <brainwash> running out of ideas =S
[22:34] <temje> one sec
[22:35] <temje> nothing there
[22:35] <temje> !
[22:36] <brainwash> nothing at all or nothing related?
[22:36] <temje> nothing at all
[22:37] <temje> oh wait
[22:37] <temje> nvm
[22:37] <temje> there it is
[22:38] <temje> how do i upload it?
[22:40] <temje> http://pastebin.com/YmfrS6rd
[22:40] <temje> there it is
[22:43] <brainwash> rather confusing log
[22:44] <temje> hahha
[22:44] <temje> agreed!
[22:44] <temje> brainwash: sorry, I've gotta get going!
[22:45] <brainwash> also, I'm not sure how uninstalling steam would have caused this
[22:45] <temje> thanks soooo much, I'm way further along then I was before
[22:45] <temje> meeeee neither
[22:45] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[22:45] <brainwash> hopefully you'll get it fixed
[22:45] <temje> worst comes to worst, i'll reinstall. Not too hard!
[22:45] <temje> thanks!!!!!!
[22:46] <temje> have a good one!