[00:03] Riddell: Can you go to the release schedule planning session at 1600 UTC tomorrow? I'm not available. [07:18] good morning === mitya57_ is now known as mitya57 === rperier_ is now known as rperier === fabo_ is now known as fabo [08:36] Good morning [08:37] hey :) [08:37] Hey soee, how are you? [08:38] lordievader: waiting for my yerba dring to be ready :) sleepy day it is, you ? [08:40] soee: Yerba dring? Doing good here :) [08:41] lordievader: yeah http://www.mokate.com.pl/centrum-prasowe,loyd-yerba-mate,54,227.html [08:42] i do not dring coffee so i have some replacement :) [08:42] s/dring/drink [08:42] Check ;) [08:54] * bkerensa drive by hugs valorie === who_da_fly is now known as superfly [10:07] shadeslayer: what happened at bluez talk? [10:20] ScottK: I don't suppose you can see why plasma isn't transitioning? [10:20] kwrited is the issue I can see [10:20] but I've no idea what's wrong with it, I removed kwrited-data and it shouldn't be needing it any more [10:40] apachelogger: kdeplasma-addons merged [10:40] thanks all green now [10:40] sgclark: remember to make commits to kubutnu_vivid_archive branch rather than master (make them in master too if you want but mostly I'm leaving debian merging up to debian people) [10:51] is it me? dependency issues on upgrading. http://paste.kde.org/psdxjgdhy [10:51] Hello everyone. I was going to ask the very same question. Package kubuntu-desktop is broken for me after the last update to backports PPA: http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2014/kubuntu-kde-plasma-5-1-1-utopic-backport-ready-and-other-news/. [10:52] I am on Plasma 4 yet [10:52] wibble [10:52] Blizzz: on utopic/14.10 ? [10:52] Riddell: yes [10:52] (me too) [10:52] Blizzz: and what are you upgrading from and to? [10:53] Naproxeno: same question ↑ [10:53] Riddell: with backports and kubuntu ppa [10:53] Riddell: Exactly. Same situation. [10:53] oh she's put it into backport when it should be in next I guess [10:54] Blizzz, Naproxeno: do you want/expect plasma 5? [10:54] Riddell: full output http://paste.kde.org/pry9wpv46 [10:54] Riddell: plasma-desktop wants to be updated to 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 [10:55] Naproxeno: right, but did you want or expect that? [10:55] Ridell: I didn't want Plasma 5 but I thought I could update *only* plasma to 5 [10:55] Riddell: i want to stay at Plasma 4 [10:55] … production/work machine [10:55] right [10:56] ehm [10:56] Ridell: I think now I can't have neither a working Plasma 5 (missing essential packages) nor Plasma 4 (broken packages) [10:56] that should go to next not backports [10:56] or well, next-backports (which I'd find stupid) [10:57] apachelogger: I guess I'll delete the plasma5 packages from there, what do you think [10:57] ? [10:58] Riddell: yes [10:58] also put out an advisory somewhere ... people should ppa-purge to recover from an upgrade [10:59] somewhat unfortunate this is [11:00] Riddell, apachelogger: I've updated plasma-desktop already, which removed kubuntu-desktop and many essential "KDE 4" (I know, wrong terminology). Any tip on how to recover? I don't mind being a guinea pig if you need one. [11:01] [11:58:51] also put out an advisory somewhere ... people should ppa-purge to recover from an upgrade [11:02] in your case that'll probably be ppa-purge && apt install kubuntu-desktop [11:03] apachelogger: Thank you very much and apologies for the impatience. This is my work machine... [11:04] Naproxeno: appologies for the problem [11:05] one would advise to not run backports on a workmachine, and only run dist-upgrade after careful review of the intended changes :P [11:05] one would but where's the fun in that? [11:05] apachelogger: backports served me well in the past, but i am careful what i dist-upgrade :) [11:05] Riddel: No worries! I know how hard the life of a developer is and you do this for us so thank you! [11:06] that's why I run unstable CI builds that break my system every 4 hours xD [11:06] apachelogger: You're completely right but I don't mind "learning" the hard way. :-) [11:06] also, background auto-upgrades, so I don't know when my system was flipped over [11:06] it's like a package lottery [11:06] xD [11:07] package roulette [11:07] hah, yeah [11:08] packages removed, I wonder which ones need to be recreated [11:10] Riddell: are you going to move 5.1.1 (14.10) to Kubuntu Next ? [11:10] soee: maybe later but for now we need to fixup backports with plasma 4 [11:10] ok :) [11:11] apachelogger: lol. I still have a lot to learn about the Debian package system but broken packages (and asking how to fix them when I can't) must not intefere with fun. Once more, thank you for you work! I probably wouldn't have a Kubuntu to install in the first place without it. :-) [11:11] Riddell: were there plasma4 backports in there? [11:11] for utopic [11:11] apachelogger: oh good point, no there were not [11:12] only telepathy [11:14] ok so i'll leave it up to sgclark to put 5.1.1 in kubuntu-ppa/next for utopic [11:15] Naproxeno, Blizzz: is ppa-purge working? [11:16] Riddell: i did not upgrade, so I guess and update should work for me? [11:19] Riddell: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ppa_backports_ubuntu_dists_utopic_* && apt-get update does the job. I want to keep kde telepathy 0.9 [11:19] Blizzz: yes although I'm not sure how long it takes for the packages to disappear after I run the delete command so do check they've gone [11:19] Naproxeno: I'm on it. It has finished running just now. I'm going to install kubuntu-desktop next. [11:19] Riddell: plain update did not, or I would have needed to wait longer [11:23] Naproxeno: what command did you run? [11:24] Hi from the LibreOffice QA team. Can anyone reproduce this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83053 (easy to test) [11:24] Freedesktop bug 83053 in Presentation "UI: unable to modify styles due to window not drawn" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:24] hi beluga_ [11:26] Riddell: sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports; sudo apt-get update (just in case); sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [11:27] beluga_: I can't follow the steps to recreate (but also I'm on plasma 5 which doesn't use the oxygen style so it may not be valid) [11:27] Riddell: yep. It might not be reproducible [11:27] maybe specific to the reporter's set up & hardware.. [11:28] if you guys are feeling adventurous, here is a search that shows all unconfirmed bugs with "kubuntu" either in the summary or in some comment (15 bugs): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&f1=short_desc&f2=longdesc&j_top=OR&list_id=493104&o1=substring&o2=substring&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&v1=kubuntu&v2=kubuntu [11:28] beluga_: I'm installing kubuntu 14.04 now, will test when that's done in a minute [11:29] wibble [11:29] wobble [11:31] the LibO QA team has been working like a pack of monomanic squirrels and the bug tracker is starting to get quite clean [11:32] Riddell: Everything seems fine on first look. kscreensaver wasn't installed but I guess I installed it manually back in the day. [11:33] beluga_: here at kubuntu we're all busy moving from KDE Plasma 4 to Plasma 5 so I guess less focus on the finer details, currently I can't work out why libreoffice doesn't use the kde oxygen style when running under plasma 5 [11:34] Ridell: ok I'll make a note to ask about Plasma 5 on the QA channel and maybe test it myself in a VM or something later [11:38] I have Manjaro KDE on a laptop and Plasma 5 is already in their "testing" update channel since 3 weeks so next up is stable [11:39] hmm, another variant of arch [11:39] one day I'll look at arch and see what makes it so popular [11:41] I wanted rolling and it has been great :) [11:44] beluga_: 'choose the "Modify style" on the menu' is that Edit Style in the right click menu? [11:46] Riddell: yes that's one way to get it [11:46] beluga_: working fine on kubuntu 14.04 in virtualbox [11:46] which does use the kde oxygen style [11:46] Riddell: which version of LibO? [11:47] 4.2.4 [11:47] package version 1:4.2.4-0ubuntu2 [11:48] Riddell: ok that actually matches the reporter's version.. thanks, I will comment to the report :) [11:57] beluga_: I also can't reproduce on kubuntu development version using libreoffice 4.3.2, but that's without the kde oxygen style as I say [11:57] which I think it a likely culprit for the reporter's problem === greyback__ is now known as greyback [12:20] Riddell: correct me ig my anserw is invalid https://plus.google.com/115409429955408963270/posts/8ruyrfhJ4CE [12:23] 'Morning folks [12:24] hiho BluesKaj [12:24] hey soee [12:24] soee: looks good thanks, you can also give them this command to tidy it up sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [12:25] ok, ill update it [12:28] wgrant: if I requestDeletion() will the status flip away from published somewhat immediate or only when the next publisher run is? [12:29] apachelogger: Immediately. [12:30] thanks [12:39] morning, ugh I guess I made a mess sorry [12:41] :) [12:41] oh hi sgclark [12:41] sgclark: not much I don't think most people have backports enabled for utopic [12:42] sgclark: we hadn't discussed where plasma5 backports should go but I think we now know it should go to next and not backports ppa :) [12:42] sgclark: are you able to put it into next? [12:42] lol yeah [12:42] Riddell: yep, will do that now [12:42] sgclark: also update blog post :) [12:43] soee: oh yes right! ty [12:43] Riddell: I think it's libkscreen related. [12:43] Look at it on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt [12:44] powerdevil too. [12:44] ScottK: mm right [12:44] okular depends on libkscreen1 [12:50] ScottK: why do you think it's powerdevil? [12:51] It's not migrating, but it may be disconnected from the larger problem. [12:52] I suspect though that it'll end up causing a problem with kubuntu-desktop migration once okular is sorted. [12:59] brrr [12:59] Riddell: "emacsrookie (@emacsrookie) is now following you on Twitter!" [12:59] But I use vim! :D [12:59] lol [13:02] :open twitter [13:02] dG [13:02] :wq [13:03] sgclark: with 5.1.1 updates package kwrited-data is ghoing to be removed - this is intended right ? [13:05] soee: yes [13:08] sgclark: ok nice, though there was message, something like: dpkg: kwrited-data: problems with dependencies, removing by request: kwrited depends on kwrited-data (= 4:5.1.0.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1). [13:09] Riddell: ^ you made that change :) [13:09] that should be fine [13:09] beginning to wish I hadn't now, seems more hassle than it's worth :( [13:11] ok but teh whole upgrade dinished without further errors [13:11] reboot [13:19] im back :) all seems to work just fine [13:20] though, there was some update last days to kdm i think, after it was upgraded it was set as default, now if i try to switch to sddm it does not loads [13:21] apachelogger: can you update https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext ? [13:21] some confused people in #kubuntu [13:21] valorie: ^ [13:21] how many pages are there with duplicate dinformation? [13:22] valorie, Riddell: maybe we should just make a page commonuity.kde.org/Kubuntu/PlasmaNext and link there from everywhere else [13:31] hi folkz! === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [13:50] plasma-desktop (still in proposed) seemed to start up fine :) other than that I didn't find away to show the bottom panel on both displays. [13:51] Mirv: the same panel ? [13:52] soee: yeah, the same panel [13:52] I thought there might be an option "show on all displays" or such. [13:52] nope i think i loked for it to, i ended up with 2 separate [13:52] right, I could try that next time [13:53] and in Plasma 5.1.0 on each reboot they were moved to the same screen, now in Plasma 5.1.1 seems to be fine, but have to test it more [14:04] apachelogger: yeah [14:04] ScottK: new owncloud uploaded for trusty-proposed for bug 1384355 awaiting approval [14:04] bug 1384355 in owncloud (Ubuntu) "ownCloud should be removed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384355 [14:10] thanks for testing Mirv [14:10] Mirv: I'm upload okular without old kscreen dependency so hopefully that'll help it move out of proposed [14:14] Mamarok: you're not coming to munich? shall I take you off https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich ? [14:15] shadeslayer, allee, apachelogger, ovidiu-florin, yofelL yous all coming to munich? [14:22] yes [14:23] awooga [14:23] hi Antisound [14:23] yes [14:23] Riddell: will you ? [14:24] sure [14:27] great :D:D [14:29] any idea if firefox for devs will land in ubuntu ? [14:30] hi Riddell [14:30] Riddell: where's my daily live build from plasma 5.1.1 ;-) [14:30] hehe [14:33] Antisound: not yet I'm afraid, something is blocking plasma-desktop from going into the archive and I'm not sure what [14:37] Riddell: ok [14:38] already thought there's something like this cause the status is unchanged for about 2 days i think [14:38] Riddell: no, unfortunately I will not be able to come, please take me off that list [14:45] Riddell: yep [14:58] Riddell: yep [15:08] ScottK: sddm in New queue should you be lacking for things to do [15:12] I assume this is fixed/in the pipeline? https://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20141113-1.txt [15:13] nope, not see than [15:30] apachelogger: kubuntu_vivid_archive made in kde-extras/qtcurve [15:30] apachelogger: the debian and kubuntu packaging seem to be unrelated [15:33] fun [15:33] Riddell: do we actually do a multibuild for qt5 or is that a separate source? [15:33] apachelogger: seems to be all 1 source === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [16:06] Riddell: I have to run an errand before the storm gets bad, what is top priority on the long to-do list? [16:12] sgclark: I guess put your backport into next [16:12] Riddell: I already did [16:12] oh rocking [16:13] submit receipts from akademy to canonical [16:13] I've been putting that off for days [16:13] Riddell: did that long ago [16:14] Riddell: okies I am off, if you come up with something just ping me, thanks! [16:55] * Riddell out [18:27] either way is good for me - I'm atm staffing the KDE booth at USENIX/LISA [18:33] fun! how is the weather up there valorie? we have a fun little ice storm going on [18:41] cold and sunny in Seattle [18:41] unsure in Black Diamond -- the power was off for a whole day before I left to come here (Tue) [18:41] yeah very cold here [18:41] lots of people still without power [18:41] ack [18:42] I think my husband might spring for the gas-powered generator now.... [18:42] I hope I don't come home to cold and dark [18:42] hehe [18:42] yeah that is no fun [18:42] it is way to cold for no power [18:43] I guess one of the large branches of my birch tree came down [18:43] :( [18:43] oh no :( [18:44] apachelogger: piinng [19:02] sgclark: I sent a patch to kubuntu-devel a few days ago, did you see it? [19:02] no [19:04] sgclark: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-November/008910.html [19:04] what do you think? [19:06] umm I thought we stuffed all those dumb qml things back in. /shrug [19:18] If added okular to the affected pkgs by bug 1348384 [19:19] bug 1348384 in libspectre (Ubuntu) "evince and okular do not render eps files correctly resulting in a black background" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1348384 [19:19] I check b.k.o if it's already supported. Any kuubntu group I should subscribe to the LP bug? [19:22] Riddell: yes, I will be (well, I am) in Munich next week for the PIM & KUBUNTU sprint [19:36] sgclark: did I already miss your session(s)? [19:39] between the power outage and being here at usenix, I'm half out of every loop possible === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [21:28] sgclark: how about the backport? [21:29] ahh i just saw on your blog [21:29] it's ready [21:29] :D [21:47] * Antisound updates to 5.1.1 [21:49] ok, expo is closing, so if there are still sessions pending, I'll miss 'em [22:10] re [22:10] back on 5.1.1 [22:11] thx sgclark for your hard work [22:28] valorie: internet in and out here today, well more than usual. uos sessions all tomorrow [23:06] hi. i need the steps to upgrade from plasma stable in kubuntu 4.10 to plasma daily. https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu is outdated (package kubuntu-plasma5-desktop no longer exists and i must be doing the steps in the wrong order because it doesnt work to just update plasma-desktop). thx [23:18] rx: sure it does [23:18] kubuntu-plasma5-desktop is a meta package anyway [23:18] so if you install the plasma 5 14.10 ISO and then add the ppa and upgrade [23:18] it should work [23:19] also, I'm heading to bed [23:19] niters [23:19] night [23:23] sgclark: you write a blog post about what im doing ;-) [23:23] wrote* [23:24] on kubuntu.com it says sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next || sudo apt update || sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop || sudo apt full-upgrade [23:25] in your instructions you skip the kubuntu-plasma5-desktop part [23:25] rx: hmmm? daily? not sure that I did. Let me look.. [23:26] and when i tried to do the same magic with daily (ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable) it didnt upgrade plasma-desktop and apt got confused [23:26] also, with the daily ppa, package kubuntu-plasma5-desktop wasnt found [23:28] I know for a fact I have NOT written about the ci because it is not ( in my opinion ) a good ppa for most people, aka it breaks, alot. it is unstable. [23:29] i can live with [23:29] rx: disable the ci ppa for now. then enable this https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next [23:30] rx: then go through the steps you read with kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [23:31] rx: after all of theat is complete and without error. you can add back the ci ppa, if you are positive you can live with the notion your system may break. [23:31] ok [23:31] i will give it a try [23:31] rx: when you use ci, if packages are broken, wait a few hours and try to update again until resolved [23:31] breakage potential to be reduced tomorow [23:32] rx: and don't reboot with broken packages [23:32] woot apachelogger [23:32] i used to build from source from time to time but i like the idea of daily builds [23:33] rx: ok cool, well first get a working next install, then you can ci all you want [23:33] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-daily [23:33] oh nice [23:34] gets populated from the live ppa if everything built to >=unstable and installs properly [23:34] oh [23:34] nice :) [23:35] will heppen soon? [23:35] happen* [23:36] rx: tomorrow we hope [23:36] i will wait