[04:19] <gomedun> Can anyone help me out with this wierd issue I'm getting?
[04:19] <gomedun> My ethernet doesn't seem to work
[04:20] <gomedun> and I've checked on the name, I've tried adding it to /etc/network/interfaces
[04:20] <gomedun> I've tried both manual and dhcp
[04:20] <gomedun> yet no matter what I can't even ping my router.
[05:26] <acmeraptor> so who feels like helping me jack up my system?
[05:27] <holstein> acmeraptor: just ask, and maybe a volunteer can assist
[05:28] <acmeraptor> i'm working on getting a wireless usb wifi adapter.  i have a set of instructions from a forum page but am having a problem actually compiling a driver
[05:29] <holstein> you shouldnt need to compile a driver
[05:29] <acmeraptor> basics... netgear n900 dual band wifi usb adapter on ubuntu 12.04
[05:29] <acmeraptor> oh yea??
[05:29] <acmeraptor> ooh... i think i already know where you're going
[05:30] <holstein> ideally, in the modular linux kernel, where drivers are included, a driver will be able to support the hardware.. if not, you can ask the manufacturer to supply you one like they promise and supply for the other operating systems
[05:30] <holstein> typically, if a device is not "plug and play" in linux, then, it can be challenging to provide support
[05:30] <holstein> !wifi
[05:30] <acmeraptor> so this is my starting point.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1942689&page=4
[05:30] <holstein> i would literally just plug the device in, and i'll do that with just a few live environments.. i'll try and find the chipset using the information from !wifi
[05:31] <holstein> acmeraptor: your starting point should be with the manufacturer
[05:31] <acmeraptor> netgear doesn't make or support linux drivers
[05:32] <holstein> acmeraptor: they are freely able to look at all of linux.. its all open.. anyone can write a driver or module.. or release information for the driver to be made.. if they (the manufacturer) dont, then, there can be little you can do to just create one from scratch.. or "compile" one
[05:32] <holstein> acmeraptor: its more about the chipset.. if the netgear device ships with a chipset that supports linux well, then, it will and can work well
[05:32] <acmeraptor> i understand that. they choose not to support it.. which brought me to the link i posted and to here
[05:33] <holstein> acmeraptor: i would literally plug the device in, and check for the chipset.. what chipset is the device using?
[05:33] <acmeraptor> well that's where i was going. the chip mfg has uncompiled code
[05:33] <holstein> acmeraptor: sure.. i understand. but, you *can* return the device and get one that *does* support the operating system you are using
[05:34] <acmeraptor> the mfg is ralink
[05:34] <holstein> acmeraptor: the "chip manufacturer" should have directions on how to use what they have.. they may have specific kernel requirements, that may *not* be the kernel you are using
[05:34] <holstein> personally, those things are just *too* cheap these days to hassle with them
[05:34] <holstein> i plug them in, if they dont work, if i bought i, i return it.. if i cant return it, i sell it.. if i cant sell it, i give it to a windows use friend, and get one that *does* support linux
[05:35] <acmeraptor> ok...
[05:35] <holstein> otherwise, you can try and find the directions from the chipset manufacturer, and link them here, if you need help
[05:35] <holstein> !paste
[05:36] <acmeraptor> it's detected and usable in ubuntu 14.. however my cheap p.o.s. hp desktop can't run 14 due to some weird graphic card hiccup
[05:36] <holstein> im sure someone can look.. *or*, you can go upstream to #ubuntu , since this is a general driver support issue.. or, a general linux channel..
[05:36] <holstein> acmeraptor: 14.04*
[05:37] <acmeraptor> yea i installed 14.04 successfully, and it used the adapter with no input from me other than the wpa key.  but when i try to login for the first time, it hangs due to the video glitch i just half-described
[05:37] <acmeraptor> i'm not a complete n00b man
[05:37] <holstein> acmeraptor: ?
[05:38] <holstein> acmeraptor: i didnt mean to imply you are.. and i know i didnt say that you were..
[05:38] <holstein> acmeraptor: i would test the hardware.. seems like you may have something else going on that could be causing your issue...
[05:38] <acmeraptor> you didn't. i just meant to say that i have done some research prior to resorting to asking others for assistance
[05:39] <holstein> i'll force the vesa driver, and test
[05:39] <holstein> !nomodeset
[05:39] <holstein> should be able to do that from the live 14.04.. and see if the wifi is working..
[05:39] <acmeraptor> no. it's just that 12.04 doesn't have anything that supports this particular usb adapter. which is why i need to compile the supplied code to get it to work
[05:39] <holstein> regardless, you shouldnt need to complie any drivers
[05:40] <holstein> 12.04 lubuntu doesnt have *any* support at all
[05:40] <holstein> its eol
[05:40] <acmeraptor> if i can steal a module from 14 without forcing the 12.x kernel to be updated i'm all for it
[05:40] <holstein> main ubuntu 12.04 is still supported. on the desktop.. for a bit
[05:40] <holstein> 14.04*
[05:40] <holstein> you can just plain run the entire kernel from 14.04.. but, i think you have a larger hardware issue
[05:41] <holstein> i would test with nomodeset and see if that actually addresses the issue
[05:41] <acmeraptor> allow me to state this plainly.  i cannot use anything higher than 12.04 on this hp desktop.  I've tried... multiple times... the graphics thing makes it just hang on the login screen
[05:42] <holstein> acmeraptor: sure. i'll try and be more clear as well. have you tried the vesa driver in 14.04 on the hardware? if not, i would..
[05:42] <holstein> acmeraptor: you can do that with..
[05:42] <holstein> !nomodeset
[05:43] <holstein> safe graphics mode. or, an xorg.conf that forces vesa
[05:43] <acmeraptor> i've tried about every safe mode of installation that the installer software offers.. same problem
[05:43] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[05:43] <acmeraptor> and i know why. it's a cheap hp system i got from a big name store
[05:43] <holstein> acmeraptor: the vesa driver, specifically.. i would rather use the vesa driver in 14.04 than unsupported 12.04
[05:44] <acmeraptor> i'm not even sure that would work. it's another one of those lame ass built in video adapters. not an add-in graphics card
[05:44] <holstein> acmeraptor: im actually quite sure
[05:45] <holstein> !vesa
[05:45] <holstein> its actually made for just that scenario
[05:47] <acmeraptor> i think i still have 14 on a usb drive to install with.. i can give it another go.. but if i don't come back on tonight... i'm going to have ill will towards you, probably wish that you have some uncooked brocolli for dinner tomorrow.. unless you like raw veggies, then it's a reward.
[05:47] <acmeraptor> but you get my meaning :)
[05:47] <holstein> 14.04*
[05:48] <acmeraptor> dude you should work for microsoft.  upgrade. buy better stuff. etc
[05:48] <holstein> there are 2 different "14" versions.. the one from april (.04) and the latest from october (.10)
[05:48] <holstein> acmeraptor: i *never* said, nor implied that you should buy anything..
[05:48] <holstein> acmeraptor: i said, thats what i *choose* to do.. buy things that support the operating system im using
[05:49] <holstein> but, that is likely not the issue.. since it *does* work in 14.04
[05:49] <holstein> the manufacturer may not give support for the 12.04 kernel version..
[05:50] <acmeraptor> we may be typing the same language but we are clearly having a communication problem
[05:50] <holstein> acmeraptor: i only mean to be helpful
[05:50] <holstein> acmeraptor: 12.04 lubuntu is *not* supported any longer.. i (and most other folks) suggest using 14.04.. i would do whatever it takes to get on 14.04..
[05:51] <acmeraptor> i realize that. which is why i am trying to not be rude.  i thank you for the advice, but haven't even been able to ask what i wanted to ask
[05:51] <holstein> acmeraptor: just ask, friend
[05:51] <holstein> !ask
[05:51] <acmeraptor> fair enough buddy :)
[05:52] <acmeraptor> as i stated, i have the code supplied by the chip manufacturer.  i'm simply having trouble compiling it
[05:52] <holstein> acmeraptor: sure.. as i stated, that can be (and likely is) due to them not supporting the 12.04 kernel
[05:52] <holstein> acmeraptor: did you ask them? does the documentation state it supports the 12.04 kernel version?
[05:53] <acmeraptor> do i need to be in a specific directory in order to make the 'make' command work?  i did it once already, however i had issues after that...
[05:53] <acmeraptor> the adapter actually connected to a wifi network. but froze ubuntu entirely shortly after.  bad enough that i had to do a power on reset
[05:53] <holstein> acmeraptor: whatever issues you have, you'll need to ask them about it. its not our code.. all i can do is ask you again if you would like to share the directions from the site
[05:54] <acmeraptor> i'm not blaming anyone on the ubuntu side!
[05:54] <holstein> acmeraptor: you mean, lubuntu 12.04 froze?
[05:54] <acmeraptor> you guys rock!
[05:54] <acmeraptor> yes
[05:54] <holstein> !tty
[05:54] <Unit193> 'make' is run from the source directory.
[05:54] <holstein> ^could you get to tty?
[05:54] <acmeraptor> i have a terminal open now
[05:55] <holstein> acmeraptor: im talking about, in the future, when that wifi device allegedly freezes lubuntu 12.04, try tty
[05:56] <acmeraptor> can try anything when the whole computer freezes.  i gave it a few hours one time. it wasn't some loop that timed out. it just stopped working altogether
[05:56] <acmeraptor> *cannot try..
[05:56] <holstein> acmeraptor: were you able to get to tty? yes or no? did you try?
[05:58] <acmeraptor> i was not able to even attempt it on newer versions of ubuntu. which is why i'm still working with 12.04. it's the only version stable enough to let me attempt things and stay running
[05:58] <acmeraptor> believe me. i'd love to go to 14.04
[05:58] <holstein> acmeraptor: lubuntu 12.04 is *not* supported
[05:58] <acmeraptor> i know that
[05:59] <acmeraptor> but it's the only one that stays running
[05:59] <holstein> acmeraptor: personally, i think you have a lager hardware issue that is causing your other issues.. maybe a bad ram stick or loose parts.. bad hard drive.. etc..
[05:59] <holstein> if you have a "system freeze" try accessing tty..
[06:00] <acmeraptor> no. it's just a piece of shit hp desktop that i got from best buy for 400 dollars about 3 years ago
[06:00] <acmeraptor> i can't exactly build my dream system though right now.
[06:00] <holstein> you can use xubuntu 12.04 for a bit longer
[06:01] <acmeraptor> dude. by freeze, i don't mean slow. i mean dead in the water. only after a hard boot i can actually type or do other human input
[06:01] <holstein> acmeraptor: sure, i understant that, friend.. did you actually try the key combinations for a tty?
[06:02] <acmeraptor> yes
[06:02] <holstein> acmeraptor: it can be vey helpful to know if the system is frozen, or its a kernel panic, or etc
[06:02] <holstein> acmeraptor: all you need to do is read when i ask "have you tried tty" and answer, simply "yes, and that didnt work either"
[06:02] <acmeraptor> fair point. i used a wireless keyboard/mouse adapter.  after that did nothing i switched to a wired keyboard. still nothing
[06:03] <holstein> acmeraptor: still, that doesnt rule out to me a larger hardware issue
[06:06] <acmeraptor> i hope you get this analogy dude.  i'm trying to climb an ant hill. you want me to climb a mountain.  i do thank you for your responses and suggestions.  we're just not talking about the same things.  have a good night man!  (only eat raw brocolli if you want too, i won't say anything bad about you :)
[06:07] <holstein> well.. that happened
[10:01] <Oe_eden> when installing libreoffice it should also really install libreoffice-gtk(3) otherwise it looks ugly, took me some time to figure out...
[10:01] <Oe_eden> where/how can I request this?
[10:04] <hateball> Well, apt-cache show libreoffice tells you "You can extend the functionality of LibreOffice by installing these
[10:04] <hateball>  packages:"
[10:05] <silverlion> Oe_eden, write an email to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
[10:10] <silverlion> Oe_eden, you. are. a. genious ;)
[10:10] <silverlion> thanks for that protipp :D
[10:53] <Oe_eden> uh sure :)
[11:11] <silverlion> Oe_eden, I'm working with the Lubuntu developers so consider your tipp as received and being worked on ;)
[11:11] <silverlion> I just did install that package and I'm blown away ;)
[11:11] <Unit193> !bug | Oe_eden
[11:12] <silverlion> Unit193, I'd not say that's a bug or anything ;)
[11:12] <silverlion> he just gave an additional advise
[11:12] <silverlion> ;)
[11:13] <Unit193> He wants libreoffice to recommend libreoffice-gtk, that's not a mailing list discussion that's a bug to report.
[11:26] <Oe_eden> either way is fine by me :)
[14:06] <crystol> bonjour a tous
[14:06] <crystol> hello
[14:06] <hateball> hello
[14:21] <Aladiah> Should it work better with 14.10 version ?
[14:21] <testdr> Aladiah: what bar? windows, panel... and what click? Touchpad, mouse-usb/ps2 ... pen
[14:21] <Aladiah> the navigation bar
[14:21] <Aladiah> where we have the button menu, wifi etv etc
[14:22] <Aladiah> it takes longer longer to react
[14:22] <Aladiah> or not react at all
[14:22] <testdr> Aladiah: what is the navigation-bar? Ok - that is the panel(bar) - lxpanel - and for 14.10, you can try the live-version(boot from usb) to check if its the same and it could be for new hardware-support its fixed there.
[14:23] <Aladiah> i will
[14:23] <testdr> Aladiah: and you should provide the full name of your hardware - i can only guess it may be a laptop?
[14:24] <Aladiah> iam creating a usb persistent with my linux software
[14:24] <Aladiah> it is a laptot
[14:24] <Aladiah> laptop
[14:24] <testdr> sounds more like :   lap-dead
[14:24] <Aladiah> Packard Bell easy not le69Kb series
[14:24] <testdr> full manufactory naming
[14:26] <testdr> Aladiah: this-> Packard Bell Easynote LE69KB-45004G50Mns
[14:26] <Aladiah> 4500g50mns i cant find on the laptop
[14:27] <Aladiah> 12504G50
[14:27] <testdr> Aladiah: ignore the last Number - it says something about memory, harddisk, cpu
[14:28] <Aladiah> amd dual core e1-2500
[14:28] <Aladiah> amd radeon hd 1240
[14:28] <Aladiah> 500 har disk
[14:28] <Aladiah> 4g ddr3
[14:29] <Aladiah> amd radeon hd 8240
[14:32] <Aladiah> testdr: do you think is something can be solve with console commands to improve graphic compatibility or not at all ?
[14:33] <testdr> Aladiah: on a quick-search - i could find one hint about Ubuntu-12.04 with an Packard Bell EasyNote LE69KB (in italy-forum) and it says the fglrx-update may fix a not working graphics-screen.
[14:34] <Aladiah> how to do that ? i can try it
[14:34] <Aladiah> please tell me the console command for it .
[14:34] <testdr> Aladiah: but you did not support the info about what click you are using - built-in touchpad or external mouse?
[14:35] <Aladiah> iam with the laptop normallly
[14:35] <Aladiah> with out external prerphericals
[14:35] <Aladiah> periphericals
[14:35] <Aladiah> its a friend of mine laptop
[14:35] <Aladiah> then i will do for mine. i hope it will work
[14:36] <Aladiah> its an amd too. iam afraid
[14:36] <testdr> Aladiah: thats no excuse - i ask this for a way to fix and to make shure its only the kind of using the built-in-touchpad (there are known problems with such kind of devices)
[14:37] <Aladiah> hooo
[14:37] <testdr> Aladiah: if you have a usb-mouse around - it is an easy way to plug it in, boot the laptop and check if the delay for mousclicks with the usb-mouse is not the same
[14:37] <Aladiah> do you think the problem is with the buillt in
[14:37] <Aladiah> i dont have on at all
[14:38] <testdr> Aladiah: you have all updates installed?
[14:38] <Aladiah> but i dont think it is, because it freezeee
[14:38] <Aladiah> no
[14:38] <Aladiah> i didnt nothing on it yet
[14:38] <Aladiah> its virgin
[14:38] <Aladiah> updates only during installing
[14:39] <testdr> Aladiah: thats the first thing after the install - to get new drivers and possible fixes for different hardware
[14:39] <Aladiah> dist upgrade and update?
[14:39] <Aladiah> can you put me the command ? iam a little newby
[14:39] <testdr> yes - you know the apt-get commands already?
[14:40] <Aladiah> sudo apt get distupgrade
[14:40] <Aladiah> is that ?
[14:40] <testdr> its "apt-get"
[14:40] <Aladiah> sudo apt-get update&distupgrade ?
[14:40] <Aladiah> is this ?
[14:40] <testdr> do it in two steps:    sudo apt-get update
[14:40] <Aladiah> wicg is the best
[14:40] <Aladiah> ok
[14:41] <testdr> and watch the downloads of the update for new packages and then if it works the : apt-get distupgrade
[14:41] <testdr> its:  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:44] <Aladiah> i need reboot to make efect doesnit ?
[14:44] <testdr> Aladiah: if its the first update - there will be kernel-updates and those will only take effect after a reboot
[14:45] <Aladiah> ok lets try
[14:45] <testdr> Aladiah: you have already done the update and dist-upgrade? I dont believe this laptop so powerfull
[14:47] <Aladiah> yes, iam rebooting
[14:48] <Aladiah> now it worse
[14:49] <Aladiah> after entering password to log in
[14:49] <Aladiah> it show me the environment for a second a come to login again
[14:49] <Aladiah> when i enter as a guest it enter and open an Error box, saying no session for pid 1294
[14:52] <Aladiah> ok lubuntu 14.10 is ready i will try it now in try mode usb
[14:52] <testdr> Aladiah: i need the proof you did update the software (this error sounds like an old one from some time ago) - and it maybe quicker for you to check if a 14.10 with more default up-to-date drivers will work better
[14:53] <holstein> i would try the vesa driver
[14:53] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[14:53] <holstein> i wouldnt expect moving forward with software versions and drivers and the linux kernel to be more supported by the hardware
[14:53] <holstein> i would try the vesa driver and see that that even addresses the issue..
[14:55] <holstein> also, i suggest *not* doing a persistent install, but, just a normal install to the USB stick.. you can use the mini iso or an alternate/server iso to get the ubuntu base installed with grub on the USB stick.. then, you have a "normal" installation
[14:55] <holstein> !mini
[14:57] <testdr> the AMD Radeon HD 8240 - should have full support from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[14:58] <Aladiah> mini install for 64 bits ?
[14:58] <holstein> "should" be just baked in, and work "out of the box"..
[14:58] <Aladiah> there is an iso for 64 bits mini install ?
[14:59] <Aladiah> ubuntu will have same problems doesnit ?
[14:59] <holstein> Aladiah: there are "alternate" installers that allow you to install grub where you like during the installaiton, in 64bit.. correct
[14:59] <Aladiah> iam trying 14.10 now
[14:59] <holstein> Aladiah: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[15:00] <Aladiah> i have an usb with mini iso, but i made it for an old acer lapop 32 buits. it will work with this ?
[15:00] <holstein> Aladiah: here is the factual issue with using a normal desktop iso of lubuntu or any of the other flavors to do an install to the USB stick.. you will get grub on the internal hard drive
[15:00] <holstein> to deal with that, you use an installer that allows you to install grub where you like.. right on the USB stick
[15:00] <Aladiah> ok 14.10 is working ifine
[15:00] <holstein> *or*, you can take the iso and the stick you want to make to a machine that has *no* hard drives
[15:00] <Aladiah> lolol
[15:01] <Aladiah> if it works fine on triwl it will work after install doesn it ?
[15:01] <holstein> Aladiah: i think its more with either the way you have made 14.04, or the iso..
[15:01] <Aladiah> i made them on same way
[15:01] <testdr> i still suspect the update+upgrade was not really done - he made it super quick
[15:01] <holstein> Aladiah: there are *no* guarnatees from AMD that it will work after install. though, they are free to provide you that guarantee
[15:02] <Aladiah> before i made  with my linux windows software , first i made with usb creater or something like tht and results were the same
[15:02] <testdr> Aladiah: if 14.10 works - you should install it and upgrade it in a year or two years to the next LTS version
[15:02] <holstein> Aladiah: personally, i would work with 14.04.. but, if 14.10 is the path of least resistance for you, go for it..
[15:02] <Aladiah> seems like it got to do with update on 14.10 doesnit ~'
[15:03] <holstein> Aladiah: im saying, i dont agree that it seems to be with the 14.10 update.. but, if you want to use 14.10, go for it
[15:03] <Aladiah> i my knowledge would richer and greater as yours i will saty with 14.04.1 o
[15:03] <holstein> Aladiah: i dont think we have isolated enough to assume 14.10 vs 14.04 is the issue..
[15:03] <Aladiah> i want 14.04.1
[15:03] <Aladiah> because is lts
[15:03] <Aladiah> now i will
[15:03] <Aladiah> i forgot to test on my lap top
[15:04] <Aladiah> i have to create an 14.0.1 version again then
[15:04] <testdr> Aladiah: then use 14.04.1 but do the update+upgrade and prove it with the pasted output (the link of the pastebin service) here
[15:04] <holstein> to test what?
[15:04] <Aladiah> i forgo
[15:04] <Aladiah> i have another new laptop here, this one is mine the other one i from a friend of mine~~
[15:04] <Aladiah> we bought at the same time
[15:04] <holstein> anyways... you *could* have newer hardware that is supported by the kernel provided in 14.10 and not in 14.04
[15:05] <Aladiah> mine is a toshibva
[15:05] <Aladiah> satellite
[15:05] <holstein> regardless, there is nothing wrong with using 14.10..
[15:05] <holstein> i have a toshiba satellite with AMD graphics.. i have to force vesa driver
[15:05] <Aladiah> c70b d 10 x
[15:05] <holstein> not that that is your issue...
[15:05] <Aladiah> but is nit  a lts
[15:06] <Aladiah> we have support until when ?
[15:06] <holstein> Aladiah: "is nit a lts"? ?
[15:06] <Aladiah> is´nt it LTS
[15:06] <holstein> Aladiah: are you asking about the support cycle of 14.10 ?
[15:06] <Aladiah> 14.10
[15:06] <holstein> !14.10
[15:06] <holstein> you are welcome to use it as long as you like, and support it yourself
[15:06] <Aladiah> 5 month ?
[15:06] <Aladiah> lololol
[15:06] <holstein> you have *3* months after 15.04 is release
[15:06] <Aladiah> it already ends up?
[15:07] <holstein> Aladiah: no
[15:07] <Aladiah> so then i need to upgrade to 15.04 doesnit ?
[15:07] <holstein> Aladiah: what does support mean? its simply, that the software repositories that canonical pays to be hosted are up, and patches are released
[15:07] <holstein> Aladiah: you never *need* to do anything.. you choose to upgrade, if you need
[15:07] <Aladiah> means come here and be ansewered
[15:07] <Aladiah> by you !
[15:08] <Aladiah> lolol
[15:08] <holstein> !15.04
[15:08] <Aladiah> ok
[15:08] <holstein> in april of 2015, 15.04 will be released.. you still have 3 more months of support past that date for 14.10..
[15:08] <holstein> so, there *is* overlap
[15:08] <Aladiah> my friend will stay with 14.10 if it works after install, an then i will create a 14.0.4.1 usb again to try in mine .
[15:09] <Aladiah> then 15.04 will be supported too doesn it ?
[15:09] <holstein> Aladiah: it will be supported as the documentation states
[15:09] <Aladiah> 9 month
[15:09] <Aladiah> during 9 months doesn it ?
[15:09] <holstein> Aladiah: 9 months for "normal" releases.. LTS's are 3 or 5 years, depending.. the flavors can decide what they do
[15:10] <holstein> but, again, what does that mean?
[15:10] <Aladiah> but 15.04 will not be LTS doesn it?
[15:10] <holstein> it only means the canonical provided supprot is not there
[15:10] <holstein> one can choose to support *whatever* they like, for as long as they like
[15:11] <holstein> Aladiah: you can read above about !15.04, and how its not planned to be an LTS, but a normal release, suppored for 9 months..
[15:11] <Aladiah> !15.04
[15:11] <Aladiah> thank you for all
[15:11] <holstein> what i suggest is, go with what works, and relax.. you literally get *no* support on this level from any other operating system
[15:12] <Aladiah> i will bring here fedd back about it later
[15:12] <holstein> system updates and patches to the OS"s come in for OSX and windows, but, not *all* software in the repos like most linux distros do it
[15:12] <Aladiah> yes , for streess, windows 8 is more then enought. i will erease it
[15:13] <Aladiah> Microsoft should pay us an indeminization, because it work so slowly that it gives us stress desease .
[15:13] <holstein> what does that mean if the support term ends? what is compromised and how? and how would one maintain themselves? etc..
[15:13] <holstein> Aladiah: if you dont want windows, just dont buy it.. otherwise, folks use it, and like it.. and thats fine
[15:13] <Aladiah> it comes with laptop. no chouce
[15:13] <Aladiah> no choice
[15:14] <holstein> ?
[15:14] <holstein> Aladiah: there is *always* choice, friend
[15:14] <Aladiah> no, in the store i was dont
[15:14] <holstein> Aladiah: you bought that machine with the promise of windows and guaranteed windows support
[15:14] <holstein> Aladiah: you can purchase with linux support, if you want linux support.. and not run into the issues you are running into
[15:15] <holstein> you will pay more, but the time you spend setting up linux will be less, since the burden of support is shared with the creators of the hardware
[15:15] <Aladiah> but i could be able to find a store in my country with 17 inchs screens with ubuntu
[15:15] <Aladiah> only 15 screen
[15:15] <holstein> Aladiah: so, that *is* a choice
[15:16] <holstein> Aladiah: you chose the convenient purchase of a machine with the screen size you want over linux support.. which is fine
[15:16] <Aladiah> i wil pay in my country for a ubuntu 15 screen and lower specs for an igher price, i choosed travel to neighborwood country, and buy with igher specs, 17 screnn and lower price
[15:16] <holstein> the only issue is, expecting linux support form something that promises window support..
[15:17] <Aladiah> you are extremelly right with your point of view
[15:17] <Aladiah> i think it is actually a fact .
[15:19] <Aladiah> But choice will be, to have at least one store in my country in 200 km around with 17 screen ubuntu, even at a igher price, but 17 screen not at all!
[15:19] <holstein> going to a box store and buying a linux machine may not ever be a reality
[15:20] <Aladiah> In my country is
[15:20] <holstein> at least, not a linux distro like ubuntu or debian or fedora, or whatever
[15:20] <Aladiah> Jumbo stores from Auchan group .    .  . the corner supermaket have it! but all bigger screens are 15
[15:20] <holstein> the issue is, buying anything and expecting to use it differently than intended and supported.. you take that support on yourself
[15:21] <Aladiah> that supermarkets sales ubuntu machines for 400 euros around
[15:21] <holstein> a team of experts were hired to make sure the machine works with what operating system is advertised to be supported.. when you go with a different one, you take that on yourself..
[15:21] <Aladiah> and you see higher specs machines with windows at same price
[15:21] <Aladiah> in same store.
[15:22] <holstein> Aladiah: sure, friend.. but *after* you get that machine home, and try and put linux on it, it takes time.. and may not work well
[15:22] <holstein> Aladiah: these factors, for me, have *actual* value
[15:22] <Aladiah> once agina you are very right!
[15:22] <holstein> guaranteed linux support, or out of the box linux support..
[15:23] <holstein> i choose to pay extra for that.. and, as more and more do, the market will reflect.. and i dont have to spend as much time adapting the hardware to the operating system i want to use
[15:23] <Aladiah> i should choose install third party software during instalation ? Or it enought to install lubuntu restricted extras after install ? OR doesnt hav enothing to do ?
[15:24] <holstein> !restricted
[15:24] <holstein> Aladiah: there is no "should".. just what fits your needs.. i think the creators of the content *should* support open standards that can be included by default with linux.. but, you may find you need codec support that is easily installable
[15:25] <Aladiah> because they say 3rd party got to do with mp3 and mpeg and i think that comes with lubuntu restructed extras doesn it ?
[15:25] <holstein> Aladiah: the link above explains *all* of that..
[15:25] <holstein> !mp3
[15:25] <Aladiah> ok i will check it
[15:26] <holstein> Aladiah: the larger restricted extras packages includes support for many restricted formats
[15:27] <Aladiah> I think i will put windows under a virtual box for my friend . It safer doesn it ?
[15:29] <holstein> Aladiah: no
[15:29] <holstein> Aladiah: "safer" is also a matter of opinion and use case
[15:30] <holstein> i prefer windows in VM's becuase i can save snapshots, and i like having it in a virtual hard drive.. but, its no more "safer".. just more isolated from physical hardware.. its the same product from microsoft
[15:31] <Aladiah> last time i tryed it Vista in lubuntu VM , with a low specs laptop, i downloaded the iso from internet and it didnt ask me for serial . . . !
[15:32] <Aladiah> that it is a great advant
[15:32] <holstein> if you are not getting the software from microsoft, then, you are taking a risk.. that *is* not safe..
[15:33] <Aladiah> the bad news was the laptop suddently stopped working. i think it burn
[15:33] <holstein> just like the linux iso's you download.. you are trusting the source providers.. there are security keys in place.. etc..
[15:33] <Aladiah> md5sum
[15:33] <Aladiah> i always check up it
[15:34] <Aladiah> in linux
[15:34] <holstein> that doesnt provide any security though
[15:34] <holstein> its just an integrity check..
[15:34] <holstein> if i were an attacker, and had access to the iso files, i would have access to change that md5 sum
[15:35] <holstein> there are keys and credentials setup for forlks to have access to place iso's there... and you trust the security of that process
[15:35] <holstein> if you go to "random-torrent.com" and get some windows iso, you have *no* idea who put it there, and what is in it..
[15:35] <Aladiah> thats right
[17:11] <GITSaito> hello
[17:14] <holstein> o/
[17:25] <noobiie> hey, I just installed lubuntu 14.04, but it appears that it didn't create my user account :(  it only shows 'Guest Session' at the login prompt, and even if I chose 'other' and enter the user name and password manually, it doesn't work.
[17:25] <noobiie> does anyone have an idea how that could have happened?
[17:26] <noobiie> oh and I used the alternate install CD
[17:26] <noobiie> maybe that was the problem?
[17:30] <noobiie> I logged in with a guest session, and used gksudo which gave me a list of users to chose from (even though it wouldn't let me switch user ID)
[17:30] <testdr> noobiie: never had this and cannot imagine what it could be. Best is to do the install again - and check during install for the time you provide the first user settings - it should ask for the password. If you are shure about your user-data - maybe try the console login on first console, you get it with strg+alt+F1
[17:30] <noobiie> and the user I created wasn't in that list
[17:30] <noobiie> testdr: I know I entered the password twice. I also tried the console login already :/
[17:31] <noobiie> I just want to prevent going through the installation again with the same issue
[17:31] <testdr> noobiie: the only way this happens is if someone uses the live-version and did not do a installation
[17:32] <noobiie> testdr: hmm ok. I did use a custom boot opion (F6 on the install screen), because I had to select -forcepae for my old CPU
[17:32] <noobiie> maybe that caused it?
[17:32] <testdr> no
[17:33] <noobiie> aww damn, I guess I'll just try from scratch again
[17:33] <testdr> noobiie: enlight me?
[17:33] <noobiie> too bad it takes ages on this old laptop
[17:33] <noobiie> testdr: what do you mean?
[17:34] <testdr> noobiie: you said: "damn, i guess.."
[17:34] <holstein> try tty login..
[17:34] <holstein> !tty
[17:34] <holstein> noobiie: ^
[17:34] <holstein> you are likely still booting the installation media
[17:34] <noobiie> yeah I tried the tty login already, didn't work either
[17:34] <testdr> holstein: noobie swears the created user is not in the list of installed users --
[17:34] <noobiie> haha no, I removed the CD :)
[17:35] <testdr> noobiie: then its what i guessed - you are using the live-version
[17:35] <noobiie> well gksudo didn't show the user in the list after I logged in as guest
[17:35] <holstein> noobiie: what did you install? and how? lubuntu 14.04?
[17:35] <noobiie> lubuntu 14.04 i386 alternate
[17:35] <noobiie> with the 'forcepae' boot option
[17:35] <holstein> so, no live session during install. then
[17:35] <testdr> holstein: sound he rebooted without remove of the install cd and did not notice it
[17:36] <noobiie> nope no live session
[17:36] <noobiie> testdr: believe me I removed the CD rom, and even went into bios to change the boot order before booting into lubuntu
[17:36] <holstein> noobiie: if you can get to the recover console in grub, you can make a user..
[17:36] <holstein> noobiie: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161074/i-unexpetedly-deleted-administrator-account-and-the-other-accounts-are-asking-ro
[17:37] <holstein> ^ you can try that to add a user to the install..
[17:37] <noobiie> holstein: thanks, I'll check that out
[17:37] <noobiie> I still wonder why it didn't create the user in the first place :(
[17:38] <holstein> noobiie: try making the user you want. the alternate iso is for doing more advanced installations.. anything could have been responsible for that
[17:38] <testdr> noobiie: the only thing i cant imagine is a corrupted install (without write-back of all changes) and then there might other things broken too.
[17:39] <noobiie> hmm. would you guys recommend doing the installation again before messing around with the recovery console?
[17:40] <GITSaito> testdr +1
[17:40] <holstein> noobiie: with the normal live iso
[17:40] <noobiie> can I use custom boot options with that as well?
[17:41] <noobiie> cause it won't work without forcepae
[17:41] <holstein> noobiie: i would try adding the user, login and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:41] <holstein> !pae
[17:43] <noobiie> unfortunately this laptop can't boot from USB
[17:44] <noobiie> so I have to use an install CD with forcepae I assume
[17:44] <holstein> noobiie: the iso is what i refer to.. boot however you like
[17:45] <testdr> noobiie: i already did a install with such old hardware - there is the "plop"-bootmanager as a workaround to boot from usb-stick
[17:46] <noobiie> the normal live iso installer doesn't come with LVM full disk encryption though, right?
[17:46] <holstein> noobiie: they *all* should come with a normal user account
[17:47] <noobiie> yeah that's what I thought as well
[17:47] <holstein> noobiie: i say, step one.. try the recovery console, add a user, try the update commands
[17:47] <holstein> noobiie: if that doesnt work, try a different iso.. *anything* you did custom in the installation can have broken the install
[17:47] <holstein> !mini
[17:48] <holstein> ^ that is the iso i prefer to use.. so i can get the base install as i want, the simplest and quickest way
[17:48] <holstein> *then* after that looks good, and tests correct, i add desktops or whatever else
[17:48] <noobiie> I think there is no mini iso for lubuntu though
[17:49] <holstein> i would do that ^ after having done the other suggestion (adding a user in the recovery console) and the other suggestion of using a stock live iso (if that meets your needs)
[17:49] <holstein> noobiie:  the mini is just mini
[17:49] <holstein> noobiie: the mini gets a base installed.. no lubuntu or unity or lxde. or desktop at all
[17:49] <noobiie> ah I see
[17:50] <noobiie> sounds like I can mess up too much with that. I'm no expert ^^
[17:50] <noobiie> anyway, I will just run the installation again and try something else such as recovery console if I still don't get a user account
[17:50] <holstein> noobiie: you would instal with the mini *if* needed, adding no packages at install.. you would have a quick and easy path to install with whatever lvm or pae or whatever and test that base.. *then* install whatever yo ulike
[17:50] <holstein> noobiie: please try adding a user in the recovery console
[17:50] <holstein> noobiie: that will litearally take a minute..
[17:50] <holstein> literally*
[17:51] <noobiie> holstein: like I said, I'm no expert and don't wanna mess this system up as it's going to be kind of important to me
[17:51] <noobiie> I will re-install, and if it fails I will try that approach
[17:51] <holstein> noobiie: cool.. good luck
[17:51] <noobiie> thanks. and thanks for the help.
[17:52] <holstein> it literally wont hurt anything to try adding the user *now*
[17:52] <holstein> running the other commands will tell you if anything is "wrong" with the install..
[17:52] <holstein> it also doesnt prevent you from resintalling *after* you try the suggestion
[17:53] <noobiie> hmm that's a good point
[17:54] <noobiie> I think I'll do that after all. but first I gotta get something to eat. again thanks for the help, really appreciate it
[17:54] <holstein> sure.. anytime
[19:20] <Ahmuck> does aptitude not remove all dependencies asociated with a package with "sudo aptitude purge packaged-name"?
[19:21] <ianorlin> I don't think it does
[19:31] <Ahmuck> i thought that was the idea behind aptitude, is that it cleaned house better when removing a package
[19:34] <anjo-aladiah> Lubuntu 14.10 dont show me wireless connection . How can i know what king of bcm i have with command console ?
[19:35] <Ahmuck> bcm?
[19:36] <anjo-aladiah> my old laptop come with bcm4311 1example
[19:40] <anjo-aladiah> after using lspci i got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8992046/  related to Lubuntu 14.10 dont work on my bcm43142. Some one help me analyze this ?
[19:44] <testdr> anjo-aladiah: have you installed the paket:  linux-firmware-nonfree    (maybe the necessary firmware is there - or its on the manufacturer homepage) --!! and what other error-messages are for trying to use wlan (like from dmesg and /var/log/syslog)
[19:51] <anjo-aladiah> tesdr i will. i installed it without internet. but now i have a usb 4G internet i will installl it . This is same thing as lubuntu restritecd extras ?
[19:52] <testdr> anjo-aladiah: i dont know if its automatical in the restricted-extras-meta-paket -- but you can install it by its name:  apt-get install  linux-firmware-restricted
[19:54] <anjo-aladiah> iam reading something about Broadcom STA Wireless driver (Proprietary) for bcm43142 . it come with ubuntu restricted extras or nonfree ?
[19:54] <testdr> anjo-aladiah: in this paket are some bcm-firmware blobs to enable those wlan-sticks, but i dont know if there is one for your hardware (thats why i did suggest to check the manufactorer homepage too - some dont allow the firmware-part to be provided)
[20:05] <ianorlin> anjo-aladiah: IF you can plug it in with ethernet somewhere the easeites way is to go to the menu prefrences additional drivers
[20:05] <anjo-aladiah> i went . but nothing ther e
[20:05] <anjo-aladiah> empty
[20:05] <anjo-aladiah> ianolin
[20:05] <ianorlin> it takes a while to show up so be paitent
[20:05] <anjo-aladiah> ianorlin
[20:06] <anjo-aladiah> i installed non free, now i did sudo apt-get update
[20:06] <anjo-aladiah> now iam doing sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:06] <anjo-aladiah> then i will reboot
[20:06] <ianorlin> then next thing to do is get bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:07] <ianorlin> that is what you will need unfortanetly
[20:07] <anjo-aladiah> ok... thanks . . i will try
[20:07] <anjo-aladiah> iam reading this out, but it dont help much for me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:09] <anjo-aladiah> ianorlin: in my old laptop with bcm4311 i use to do this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8992429/   do you think modeprob will help ?
[20:10] <anjo-aladiah> acessing modeprobe.d then put an # sign before line  blacklist bcm43xx ?
[20:11] <anjo-aladiah> ianorlin: so after dist-upgrade will be sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source  ?
[20:12] <anjo-aladiah> is like that the command ?
[20:47] <Noskcaj> gilir, Are we able to sync lxdm? It seems the debian version is based on our one
[20:47] <wxl> wha?
[20:48] <wxl> we're not switching to lxdm fom lightdm, even in light of qt, no?
[20:48] <Noskcaj> wxl, Not that i know of, it's just debian has it now
[21:44] <explodingmango> Hello, I have a problem with the photo manager Shotwell in Lubuntu which doesn't happen in Ubuntu. If I import a photo, give it a tag, then try to make sub-tags in the left pane, after 3 or so new sub-tags the keyboard input stops working.
[21:44] <explodingmango> I can make it happen from a Lubuntu 14.04 LiveCD, and it doesn't happen on the Ubuntu 14.04 LiveDVD.
[21:47] <explodingmango> Seems to happen on both the version in the default provided repository (0.18.0 I think) and also in the latest version from their own repository (0.20.0 I think)
[21:47] <testdr> explodingmango: does it happen in a LUbuntu-14.04 with all updates installed?
[21:48] <explodingmango> This computer I'm typing from is 14.04 with all updates installed and has the problem, however it also says the kernel is tainted because I'm using forcepae. Is that enough to go on, or should I try to get a LiveCD to that state on another computer first?
[21:49] <explodingmango> The LiveCD test was on a different computer, so no forcepae there.
[21:53] <testdr> explodingmango: shotwell is a gnome-application - there is nothing special using it with a different desktop-manager if all libs used are installed. But i dont use shotwell - so i dont know. But like you say - if there is one version working, it should be not primary a Lubuntu problem. could be some weird combination, but for this you have to find more information.
[21:54] <explodingmango> Okay, looks like it's on me to get some more info first. So I need to test from a fully updated Lubuntu, but can that be done while running from a LiveCD (i.e. can you install all the updates there)?
[22:00] <testdr> explodingmango: another way is to get in contact with other users of shotwell - i did not check if there is some more info at the gnome-channel or if its a special gnome-application-channel
[22:01] <explodingmango> I know about irc.gnome.org's #shotwell and #documents, are you talking about some other channel I haven't heard of?
[22:02] <explodingmango> (But yeah, I've got a plan of action now, LiveCDs can't install updates I can use a persistent LiveUSB)
[22:02] <explodingmango> *if LiveCDs can't install updates
[22:23] <gilir> Noskcaj, yes, probably a good idea since lxdm was not update in ubuntu since a log time ago ... I didn't check it but feel free to sync it if you think it's good enough
[23:17] <anjo-aladiah> Lubuntu 14.10 dont give me sound in a Toshiba Satelite
[23:30] <anjo-aladiah> I cant see control sound at all
[23:41] <anjo-aladiah> I dont make any idea why lubuntu 14.10 dont give me sound and no sound applet at all . Someone can help me ?
[23:49] <anjo-aladiah> system is recognizing my sound card but i have no sound nether sound applet on menu bar http://paste.ubuntu.com/8995214/