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RAOF | doko_: Re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/1389493 | 05:18 |
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ubottu | Launchpad bug 1389493 in openjdk-7 (Ubuntu) "Package dropped pulse-java.jar, breaking some development environments" [High,Confirmed] | 05:18 |
RAOF | doko_: As far as I can tell it seems to be a largely cosmetic issue, but a sufficiently annoying one that we should resolve it. | 05:18 |
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doko | RAOF, I'm not sure how. just adding the old name as a symlink doesn't work either | 05:36 |
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RAOF | doko: Urgh. | 06:10 |
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pitti | Good mornin | 06:48 |
ari-tczew | hello pitti | 06:51 |
Noskcaj | Does seahorse-nautilus really need to depend on seahorse-daemon? if not, we can sync | 06:52 |
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Laibsch | now that Debian is frozen will Ubuntu default to syncing from experimental or should I file appropriate bugs for this to happen for the packages that I maintain? | 09:10 |
LocutusOfBorg1 | +1 for Laibsch question, I hope the latter | 09:11 |
mitya57 | No, we will not sync anything from rc-buggy (aka experimental) automatically. | 09:15 |
mitya57 | Please use requestsync from ubuntu-dev-tools to request syncs. | 09:15 |
LocutusOfBorg1 | happy to hear that, I hope you will consider sync from maintainer requests :) | 09:15 |
LocutusOfBorg1 | wonderful thanks | 09:15 |
pitti | yes, manually requested syncs are no problem, we just don't want to auto-import experimental stuff without checking | 09:16 |
LocutusOfBorg1 | yes, seems legit, I would like to avoid that too :) | 09:16 |
Laibsch | bug 1392236 it is | 09:36 |
ubottu | bug 1392236 in scanbd (Ubuntu) "please my packages from experimental" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392236 | 09:36 |
Riddell | who can say why plasma-desktop isn't transitioning from proposed? | 10:06 |
Riddell | I can see kwrited isn't happy about me removing the kwrited-data package which I'm confused about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html | 10:06 |
Riddell | everything else should be ok | 10:06 |
doko | RAOF, hmm, would it help to place an empty pulse-java.jar there? | 10:15 |
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cjwatson | Laibsch: We don't have a mechanism to sync all your packages from experimental; unless you fancy doing some hacking on auto-sync I don't expect to have one in the near future. Please just file explicit sync requests as needed for now | 10:41 |
cjwatson | That is, per-upload | 10:41 |
cjwatson | Easiest is if you get PPU rights or better for your packages, and then you can run syncpackage yourself :) | 10:42 |
xnox | Laibsch: there is tool to do so in standard way to request syncs with the "requestsync" tool available from ubuntu-dev-tools in both ubuntu & debian. | 10:43 |
cjwatson | xnox: He was already pointed at that | 10:44 |
cjwatson | I just wanted to make it clear that the request in the text of bug 1392236 is not something that we actually have the technology put together to fulfil right now. | 10:45 |
ubottu | bug 1392236 in scanbd (Ubuntu) "please sync my packages from experimental" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392236 | 10:45 |
Laibsch | cjwatson: I'd love to get that, but my request for @ubuntu membership was rejected in 2010 because I was contributing too much and had been doing so for too long a time (I kid you not!) | 10:48 |
Laibsch | after that experience I said to myself "WTF" and rolled over and simply ignored the nonsense process and never retried | 10:49 |
Laibsch | it is quite a bit of work and I only needed to waste my time on an application once | 10:49 |
Laibsch | I have pretty high clearance on bug triage in LP and I am Debian DM but apparently I need to get that @ubuntu membership for what you are suggesting and frankly, after that experience in 2010 I cannot be bothered to waste my time on the application process once again | 10:50 |
cjwatson | Laibsch: OK, just wanted to let you know about the parameters that are available for syncing | 10:51 |
cjwatson | Laibsch: BTW it's not true that membership is required before PPU or other similar upload access | 10:51 |
cjwatson | Laibsch: getting upload access *grants* membership as part of it | 10:51 |
Laibsch | really? | 10:51 |
Laibsch | Ubuntu processes evolve fast and have gotten complicated | 10:52 |
cjwatson | Laibsch: this has been the case as long as I can remember | 10:52 |
Laibsch | where is the doc describing the process? | 10:52 |
cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers | 10:52 |
cjwatson | which links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess | 10:53 |
cjwatson | I would generally say that developers should be taking this route rather than going through the general Ubuntu membership thing first | 10:53 |
cjwatson | and again, that's pretty much always been the case - sorry if you were misadvised before | 10:53 |
Laibsch | "Joining the Per-package Uploaders Check out the general requirements for Ubuntu Membership. " | 10:54 |
cjwatson | yes, that means you need to meet the requirements | 10:54 |
Laibsch | it seems to be a requirement to me | 10:54 |
cjwatson | it doesn't mean you need to separately gain membership first | 10:54 |
Laibsch | but I have to go through the nonsense one more time? seriously, how many times would you beg someone for a key when he told you you are TOO skilled and trustworthy? | 10:55 |
cjwatson | you don't have to go to the people who do general membership | 10:55 |
Laibsch | OK | 10:55 |
Laibsch | that might help | 10:55 |
Laibsch | ;-) | 10:55 |
cjwatson | what this means is that the DMB will check for sustained and significant contributions as part of their process | 10:55 |
Laibsch | I remember I had to wake up at 3 in the morning and sit around for two hours twiddling thumbs | 10:55 |
Laibsch | to receive a rejection because I do too much | 10:56 |
Laibsch | I am still thoroughly pissed off | 10:56 |
Laibsch | yes, sustained and significant | 10:56 |
cjwatson | so they check the same requirements, but you don't have to go through two committees or whatever | 10:56 |
Laibsch | in my case too sustained (since 2005) and apparently too significant | 10:56 |
Laibsch | :-/ | 10:56 |
cjwatson | being granted any kind of upload access implicitly grants membership | 10:56 |
cjwatson | (technically: because ~ubuntu-dev is a member of ~ubuntumembers) | 10:57 |
cjwatson | I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I can't do anything about that, but I can suggest a more appropriate avenue that might yield better results | 10:58 |
Laibsch | OK | 10:58 |
Laibsch | that is appreciated | 10:58 |
Laibsch | this really should not happen, I hope it never happened again, but I cannot be sure | 10:58 |
Laibsch | I will keep my application efforts to a minimum this time, if I receive another rejection this time because "I did not proof my case" then that will be it for me. I only jump through so many hoops to be admitted as a volunteer | 11:00 |
cjwatson | I left the community council in 2006, so I haven't been directly involved with the non-developer membership stuff since then ... | 11:00 |
xnox | Laibsch: yeah, developer membership board focuses on checking / verifying sufficient technical skills and knoweledge of release process (to make sure one syncs/uploads the right things at the right time). Looking over your profile, it looks to me like you have sufficient technical skill to apply for PPU (per package uploader). | 11:02 |
xnox | for the packages that you are the mainter off in Debian already. | 11:02 |
xnox | and then you will be able to sync them yourself into ubuntu. | 11:02 |
xnox | ps. I sit on the Ubuntu Developer Membership Board that grants such rights | 11:02 |
xnox | Laibsch: i have never been involved in the Community governance, I gained my ubuntu membership via Developer Membership board but becoming ubuntu contributing developer first, and later a core dev. | 11:02 |
xnox | well, cjwatson chaired the meeting / voted to approve me :-) | 11:03 |
Laibsch | I'm sure that must help | 11:03 |
xnox | Laibsch: nah, he was skeptical, but fair =)))))) | 11:04 |
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xnox | Laibsch: if you make application wiki page, and email it in, we can review you on the 1st of December 19:00 UTC as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda | 11:05 |
Laibsch | I hope I won't have to be present this time? | 11:06 |
xnox | (one needs to apply at least 2 weeks in advance of the meeting) | 11:06 |
Laibsch | that's again middle of the night | 11:06 |
Laibsch | the times are not good for Asia-based people | 11:06 |
Laibsch | like I said, my application effort will be minimal, including wiki page (I will create a very simple one) | 11:06 |
Laibsch | 19:00 UTC is not possible for me to attend | 11:10 |
Laibsch | that's again exactly 3 AM | 11:10 |
Laibsch | sorry, I love Ubuntu, but not that much | 11:10 |
xnox | Laibsch: those are generally irc interractive meeting. | 11:10 |
Laibsch | not after that experience | 11:10 |
xnox | Laibsch: you can email, and request for an email application. | 11:10 |
Laibsch | good | 11:10 |
Laibsch | I wonder where my old wiki page went? | 11:10 |
xnox | the meeting on the 15th will be at 15:00 UTC | 11:10 |
Laibsch | I'd like not having to redo it | 11:11 |
xnox | Laibsch: if that's any better for interractive application. | 11:11 |
cjwatson | If you happen to know the URL, try appending ?action=info to it | 11:11 |
Laibsch | here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie | 11:12 |
Laibsch | found it | 11:12 |
Laibsch | deeply buried in google ;) | 11:12 |
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ogra_ | does anyone have an idea why the fix for debian bug 169922 does not seem to be in ubuntu ? | 12:50 |
ubottu | Debian bug 169922 in mount "umount doesn't remount fs read-only if force option is also used" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/169922 | 12:50 |
* ogra_ tries to make adb on the phone actually force a readonly re-mount before killing the system on "adb reboot" ... seems "umount -f -r -a" does not work (nor does it work with a single mountpoint) | 12:51 | |
ogra_ | according to that but this should work since 2004 | 12:52 |
ogra_ | s/but/bug/ | 12:54 |
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pitti | ogra_: I regularly do "mount -o remount,ro /", and that works fine | 13:22 |
pitti | (as both dual-boot and the emulator are r/w by default, annoyingly) | 13:22 |
ogra_ | pitti, / is ro anyway ... | 13:23 |
ogra_ | pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8986920/ | 13:23 |
ogra_ | or | 13:23 |
ogra_ | root@ubuntu-phablet:~# umount -f -r /userdata | 13:23 |
ogra_ | umount: /userdata: target is busy | 13:23 |
pitti | ah, busy | 13:23 |
ogra_ | right | 13:23 |
ogra_ | the bug above suggests this should work though | 13:24 |
ogra_ | even when busy | 13:24 |
pitti | well, if there are processes still having open files on that (for write mode), how is it supposed to work? | 13:24 |
ogra_ | (and indeed it is busy) | 13:24 |
pitti | you'd break all the running processes | 13:24 |
ogra_ | thats fine, we call reboot anyway (dircet kernel call) | 13:25 |
pitti | (but I guess that's intended) | 13:25 |
ogra_ | *direct | 13:25 |
ogra_ | i dont care about the state of the processes, but i do care about the integrity of the fs | 13:25 |
ogra_ | we see a lot of file corruption on the phone ... one of the reasons is "adb reboot" ... | 13:26 |
ogra_ | the logical option would indeed be to make it call /sbin/reboot ... but that takes long ... i would like ot keep the convenience of speedy reboots in adb | 13:26 |
pitti | ogra_: so perhaps as a first mitigation sync; reboot -f? | 13:27 |
pitti | (but yeah, forcibly unmounting/ro mounting would of course be betteR) | 13:27 |
ogra_ | the code already calls sync ... doe reboot -f gain me anything over the direct kernel reboot call ? | 13:27 |
ogra_ | *does | 13:27 |
pitti | ogra_: no, reboot -f is pretty much that -- don't go through init, just reboot the kernel; that's what I meant | 13:28 |
ogra_ | yeah, well, that is what happens already | 13:28 |
pitti | ogra_: hm, sysrq+u does forced r/o, I wonder if one can trigger that by some other means | 13:28 |
ogra_ | with the init layer ripped out inbetween | 13:28 |
pitti | MNT_FORCE (since Linux 2.1.116) | 13:28 |
pitti | Force unmount even if busy. This can cause data loss. (Only for NFS mounts.) | 13:29 |
pitti | hmm | 13:29 |
pitti | umount(8) also only talks about NFS | 13:29 |
ogra_ | well, the bug seems to actually use a real device | 13:30 |
pitti | ogra_: ooh! | 13:30 |
pitti | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt | 13:30 |
pitti | ogra_: echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger | 13:31 |
ogra_ | hah ! | 13:31 |
* ogra_ hugs pitti | 13:31 | |
pitti | (well, open() and fputc('u') in C, of course) | 13:31 |
pitti | ogra_: at least sysrq+u seems to work fairly reliably for me to reboot my machine after a crash and save the fs | 13:31 |
ogra_ | root@ubuntu-phablet:~# echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger | 13:31 |
ogra_ | root@ubuntu-phablet:~# touch /userdata/foo | 13:31 |
ogra_ | touch: cannot touch ‘/userdata/foo’: Read-only file system | 13:31 |
ogra_ | \o/ | 13:31 |
pitti | touché | 13:32 |
ogra_ | lovely | 13:32 |
pitti | ogra_: so, write 'u', sleep(0.5), reboot()? | 13:32 |
pitti | or maybe even just (1); the whole reboot takes long enough that an extra .5 s for your data safety probably doesn't matter | 13:33 |
ogra_ | well, adbalready has: | 13:33 |
ogra_ | 188 execl("/system/bin/vdc", "/system/bin/vdc", "volume", "unmount", | 13:33 |
ogra_ | 189 getenv("EXTERNAL_STORAGE"), "force", NULL); | 13:33 |
ogra_ | which it calls right before rebooting | 13:33 |
ogra_ | i guess i can just replace these two lines | 13:34 |
pitti | so you are saying that this doesn't work, or it doesn't apply to our internal storage, or we need to do it for other mounts? | 13:34 |
ogra_ | we dont use /system stuff in ubuntu indeed :) | 13:34 |
ogra_ | nor do we use vdc ... | 13:34 |
ogra_ | that code is a no-op currently | 13:34 |
pitti | aah | 13:35 |
ogra_ | but in adbd it is executed right before the reboot call to the kernel | 13:35 |
pitti | ogra_: so yeah, sounds good | 13:35 |
pitti | I'd still give it a second to actually sync and remount | 13:35 |
ogra_ | so for our usecase just writing to proc instead sounds good | 13:35 |
ogra_ | yeah, i can add a sleep | 13:35 |
ogra_ | that will still be miles better than using upstarts reboot though :) | 13:36 |
pitti | right, I didn't even realize that adb reboot didn't use the "proper" reboot | 13:36 |
pitti | it takes long enough, after all (some 5 s here) | 13:36 |
pitti | and I use it all the time | 13:37 |
ogra_ | pitti, hah, i gues you never used a normal reboot then ... thats more in the area of 20s | 13:40 |
pitti | ogra_: well, I did (long-press power button) | 13:41 |
pitti | but I didn't really pay enough attention to wonder about the time difference | 13:41 |
pitti | ogra_: but these days most of what I do with the phone is to test/fix adt-run :) | 13:41 |
ogra_ | it is quite significant ... i always prefer adb reboot | 13:41 |
ogra_ | if i do work on the phone at least | 13:41 |
pitti | ogra_: so, thanks for fixing that! | 13:42 |
ogra_ | well, thanks for getting me on the righ track !! | 13:42 |
ogra_ | (i wouldnt have thought about sysreq ever) | 13:42 |
pitti | smoser: ok, SRU for bug 1391354 uploaded (it's fine in vivid) | 13:59 |
ubottu | bug 1391354 in systemd (Ubuntu Utopic) "Failure to boot ephemeral image for Utopic Fast Installer deployment: no ID_PATH for iSCSI device any more" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391354 | 13:59 |
mterry | wgrant, heyo -- I have a bzrlib script that I would ideally like to run even faster -- it's intent is to delete invalid tags. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8987882/ Is there a cleverer way to do this? (Or can you point me at someone else that would know?) | 14:24 |
Laibsch | cjwatson, xnox: what about the possibility not to have to attend the IRC meeting? one of you mentioned a mail interview process?! | 14:25 |
xnox | Laibsch: yeah, in the application submission email you should state that you cannot attend either irc meeting times and wich to be processed via email. | 14:26 |
wgrant | mterry: I don't know bzrlib well at all, but I'd look for a bulk revision-id lookup method. | 14:27 |
Laibsch | well, I might be able to attend but I don't want another night session. Even 1500 UTC is 23:00 here or even 00:00 if I am in Tokyo at the time and if it takes two hours like it did last time then I don't want that | 14:27 |
xnox | mterry: well that script is fast if the branch you point it at is local, rather than remote. | 14:29 |
xnox | mterry: so i'd clone it to a temp location first, find all tags to delete, and then delete them from target. | 14:30 |
xnox | it's equivalent of $ bzr tags | grep ? | cut -d\ -f1 | xargs -L1 bzr tag --delete | 14:31 |
mterry | xnox, yeah that might be the best solution, I was hoping to do a nice bzrlib thing | 14:31 |
mterry | xnox, but shell always wins :) | 14:31 |
Saviq | mterry, check out http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.repository.Repository.html#all_revision_ids | 14:31 |
Saviq | xnox, that was the first thing we were doing, and it was _slow_ ;) | 14:31 |
mterry | Saviq, oh really? | 14:32 |
mterry | Saviq, just two bzr requests, I would expect it to be better | 14:32 |
Saviq | mterry, one request per tag, no? | 14:32 |
Saviq | mterry, `bzr tag --delete` does not seem to allow multiple tags (at least per man) | 14:33 |
Laibsch | xnox: I basically left my old application page from 2010 as is and only added a paragraph to the top explaining why I did so. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie What are the next steps? Send e-mail to devel-permissions@lists.ubuntu.com and request for becoming a PPU dev? | 14:36 |
caribou_ | when merging a package from Debian closes outstanding Ubuntu bugs, should those be listed in the changelog ? | 14:36 |
Laibsch | caribou_: You can add "LP: #123" in the changelog | 14:36 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 123 in Launchpad itself "There's no direct way to see the project info when translating it" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123 | 14:36 |
Laibsch | similar to "Closes: #123" | 14:36 |
caribou_ | Laibsch: yeah, that's what I meant | 14:36 |
caribou_ | Laibsch: I know that, I just want to know if this is part of a normal merge activity | 14:37 |
Laibsch | closes is for the Debian BTS, LP: for Launchpad | 14:37 |
Laibsch | oh, you are wondering if you need to leave the changelog intact? | 14:37 |
Laibsch | I'm not sure I understand the question | 14:37 |
Saviq | mterry, yeah, looks like pulling all_revision_ids() and matching to tags would be faster | 14:39 |
caribou_ | Laibsch: when updating the changelog during a merge to the development version and the merge brings in patch from debian that fix existing bugs,should the changelog flag those bugs with (LP: #{bugno}) | 14:43 |
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xnox | caribou_: add lp: #N reference in the debian/changelog, upload to debian, the rest will happen. | 14:43 |
caribou | I would say I should, just need confirmation | 14:43 |
xnox | caribou: you can add lp:#N references, if you can, during merge/before uploads. | 14:44 |
caribou | xnox: "upload to debian" I suppose upload to ubuntu | 14:44 |
Laibsch | xnox: I believe he wants to know if he should fiddle with the changelog when the debian maintainer forgot to flag the LP bug | 14:44 |
xnox | caribou: otherwise you will need to close bugs yourself. | 14:44 |
xnox | caribou: don't modify other entries, just your own. | 14:44 |
caribou | Laibsch: nope, I'm merging a package from debian into Ubuntu Vivid | 14:44 |
caribou | xnox: indeed | 14:44 |
xnox | caribou: e.g. "* merge from debian, remaining changes: | 14:45 |
xnox | * foo bar | 14:45 |
caribou | xnox: I meant in the section I'm adding following the merge | 14:45 |
xnox | * Changes in debian fix LP: #1, LP: #2 | 14:45 |
caribou | xnox: ok, that's what I wanted confirmed | 14:45 |
xnox | caribou: yeah. | 14:45 |
Laibsch | xnox: I basically left my old application page from 2010 as is and only added a paragraph to the top explaining why I did so. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie What are the next steps? Send e-mail to devel-permissions@lists.ubuntu.com and request for becoming a PPU dev? | 14:45 |
Saviq | mterry, you there? connection issues it seems? | 14:50 |
Saviq | mterry, if you didn't get it, there's a branch.repository.all_revision_ids() | 14:50 |
Saviq | that can be matched against tags | 14:51 |
mterry | Saviq, yeah I found that, am working on revision (got sidetracked by a wizard issue) | 14:53 |
mterry | Saviq, thanks | 14:53 |
Saviq | mterry, no pressure, just wasn't sure you got the msg | 14:54 |
mterry | Saviq, I hadn't | 14:54 |
mterry | Saviq, I am having dumb irc problems indeed :( | 14:54 |
mterry | Saviq, tell me if this is faster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8988295/ | 14:55 |
mterry | still seems slightly slow to me, but I think that's just my connection today | 14:56 |
mterry | locally is very fast | 14:56 |
Saviq | mterry, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8988345/ | 14:58 |
Saviq | it's very slightly slower than the original one with hardcoded list | 14:59 |
Saviq | mterry, so it's great | 14:59 |
mterry | Saviq, heh | 14:59 |
mterry | Saviq, well once we feel comfortable with this, please replace your copy of the script in chinstrap | 15:00 |
Saviq | mterry, yup I will | 15:00 |
Saviq | mterry, I'll just add some logging and display for when you can't write to the branch | 15:00 |
Saviq | mhall119, hmm... how is it that sessions that were supposed to start at 1400 UTC are already finished¿? | 15:21 |
infinity | Saviq: Because it's 15:24? | 15:24 |
infinity | Saviq: 'date --utc' is your friend. :) | 15:25 |
Saviq | infinity, d'oh, I'm +1 now, not +2 ;) | 15:26 |
Saviq | damn DST | 15:26 |
Laibsch1 | I had in the past always been able to simply swap out my HD, put it into a different computer and boot my old system from it. This seems no longer to be the case. what do I need to now? | 15:49 |
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mhall119 | Saviq: lol | 15:52 |
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Laibsch | oops, wrong channel | 15:54 |
pitti | doko: FYI, regresssion in https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-python3.4/7/; (test.test_pyexpat.HandlerExceptionTest) | 16:31 |
pitti | it was auto-synced, so no mail notification to you specifically | 16:31 |
doko | pitti, succeeds on the buildd, and currently I can't see anything network specific | 17:04 |
pitti | doko: no, indeed; test.test_pyexpat.HandlerExceptionTest doesn't sound network specific at all, neither does "RuntimeError: a" | 17:07 |
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pitti | smoser, infinity: btw, now would be a good time to reboot the wolfe host, or the remaining VMs (I suppose if I just reboot them from "within", they won't get teh changed qemu RAM config) | 17:35 |
* pitti slips in a quick dist-upgrade | 17:36 | |
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smoser | pitti, you rock. | 18:33 |
smoser | thank you. | 18:33 |
smoser | oh. i meant thank you for the help on that iscsi issue. | 18:33 |
smoser | pitti, i'm sorry, wrt wolfe, what do you need ? | 18:33 |
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