[14:59] <alecu> hello!
[15:00] <marcustomlinson> hello
[15:03] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeswqrUEsFk0DLnle-xU4bkb18rKMHWhuuUA8A9XE_6-SS_tQ
[15:03] <dpm> for whoever wants to join the hangout
[15:21] <alecu> The Unity Scope Tool is a real time saver when developing scopes (compared to the emulator or even a device). I highly recommend it.
[15:21] <dpm> indeed!
[15:27] <Guest60718> Is building scopes with Python as supported as in qt?
[15:27] <avoine> QUESTION: is it to soon to use the golang api for building scope?
[15:28] <dpm> thanks Guest60718, avoine, we'll get to your questions in a minute
[15:29] <pstolowski> Guest60718, python is not supported
[15:29] <pstolowski> avoine, Go is supported
[15:29] <pstolowski> avoine, we have go bindings for scopes api
[15:29] <alecu> QUESTION: how do you make the query refresh when a settings change?
[15:30] <pasimako> QUESTION: Can I skip preview and execute url link directly from query results?
[15:31] <thostr_> avoine: see also https://godoc.org/launchpad.net/go-unityscopes/v1
[15:32] <avoine> ok, thanks
[15:33] <avoine> QUESTION: Can you explain how you would build a permanent cache for things like images for example.
[15:33] <avoine> or even json
[15:34] <pasimako> thank you
[15:34] <dpm> fast food on the menu!
[15:34] <dpm> adding location to your scopes in 2 minutes :)
[15:34] <dslul_> QUESTION: how can you change departments at runtime when, for example, a different filter is selected?
[15:40] <avoine> great thanks
[15:51] <belkinsa> Who is running the next session>
[15:51] <dslul_> QUESTION: is it possible to manually change the selected department from code?
[15:53] <belkinsa> dholbach, which session are you going to be in?  This one or the ISO one?  And do you know who is hosting this one?
[15:54] <dholbach> belkinsa: no idea - I just pinged dpm about it :)
[15:54] <belkinsa> I saw
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> hey all
[15:55] <belkinsa> And there he is! akiva-thinkpad, are you hosting it?
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> belkinsa, would rather not; I'm a hosting newb
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> the session at least
[15:56] <belkinsa> Oh, okay.  dholbach or dpm will do it for you.
[15:56] <akiva-thinkpad> cool beans
[15:57] <alecu> bye!
[15:57] <avoine> great session, thanks a lot!
[15:58] <dpm> hi akiva-thinkpad, I'll start the session in a minute and give you the link
[15:58] <akiva-thinkpad> sounds cool
[16:01] <belkinsa> I guess i need to start it...
[16:01] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw
[16:01] <dpm> belkinsa, ah, just saw your message
[16:01] <belkinsa> Thanks
[16:01] <dpm> have you started a session already? Or are you joining that one ^ ?
[16:02] <belkinsa> No, I haven't
[16:02] <belkinsa> I was confused on who was going to do it
[16:02] <belkinsa> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw
[16:03] <belkinsa> I'm in
[16:03] <belkinsa> Bah, stupid firefox
[16:03] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:04] <belkinsa> Go ahead and start it, I will join later, fi I can
[16:05] <akiva-thinkpad> irc good to go?
[16:05] <dpm> hi all, is the feed coming all right?
[16:06] <belkinsa> Feed is good and streaming
[16:08] <belkinsa> akiva-thinkpad, I think that is the common thing is that people do want to program
[16:10] <belkinsa_> This seems to related to this session as Ali said:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22335/howto-to-use-your-skills-and-experience-to-find-a-job/
[16:11] <akiva-thinkpad> yah I saw that
[16:11] <belkinsa_> Ah, good.  I was just checking
[16:11] <akiva-thinkpad> heh I sort of lamented this session after I saw that
[16:14] <belkinsa> There we are!
[16:16] <belkinsa> Here is one example of one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa
[16:17] <belkinsa> Sorry, need to rejoin
[16:17] <cheesehead> Hall of Fame and Ubuntu Accomplishments fell into disuse for valid reasons. Any attempt to ressurect those should address those reasons
[16:19] <belkinsa> Bah
[16:21] <akiva-thinkpad> beklinsa
[16:21] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:22] <belkinsa> Sorry, I thought everthing was working.
[16:25] <toddcnb> a nice certificate of appreciation for loco's to use for greeters at events and places that offer meeting space or local contributions
[16:26] <cheesehead> toddcnb: Not clear to me - who is appreciating the LoCo?
[16:29] <toddcnb> we use schools and restaurants to host meetings and events I would like to thanks them in some-way also we have a lot of non tech people that help with lots of loacal events that I often forget to say thank you for their help
[16:29] <cheesehead> toddcnb: Ah, so LoCos do the appreviating. Yes, that works.
[16:29] <cheesehead> s/v/c
[16:30] <cheesehead> I generally see three types of positive feedback: Simple/automated, interpersonal/relationship, and formal
[16:30] <cheesehead> So far, we've talked about formal - the harest and most resource-intensive
[16:31] <toddcnb> if we had a nice official Ubuntu certificate for them to display
[16:32] <toddcnb> even business that promote Ubuntu would like that
[16:32] <cheesehead> toddcnb: I don;t see why a recognized LoCo can't knock something lovely together. Just as official no matter who drwas it
[16:32] <akiva-thinkpad> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw come join
[16:33] <belkinsa> Maybe the use of the LoCo with this peer to peer programing could give people reason to get their Membership.
[16:33] <belkinsa> And it could help the LoCo community grow.
[16:34] <cheesehead> belkinsa: Right. LoCos are an example of interpersonal/relationship incentive.
[16:36] <belkinsa> Some sort of LoCo Programing outreach program is what I have in mind but I think outreach may be the wrong word.
[16:36] <belkinsa> This is could be also tied with those programming lessons that dpm and the others are working on.
[16:37] <belkinsa> I think App development days or whatever they are.
[16:37] <toddcnb> many loco's like ours are mostly users few programmers but other loco's are able to assit programming projects
[16:38] <ali1234> the UK loco channel is pretty technical but we don't do anything technical towards ubuntu
[16:38]  * cheesehead failed to join the hangout
[16:39] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting
[16:39] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:40] <ali1234> we all do our own things. the only thing UK loco people have in common is we live in the UK. many people there don't even use ubuntu
[16:40] <akiva-thinkpad> If you went to the loco; what do you want to see in regards to an event?
[16:40] <ali1234> actually even that isn't true, plenty of people live abroad as well
[16:40] <ali1234> "went" to the loco?
[16:41] <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Many different kinds of events: Seimnars on topis, show-off meetings, installfests, bug sprints, etc
[16:42] <cheesehead> Going out and having coffee may be non-didactic, but it does build resume references. That's the networking part.
[16:42] <ali1234> the UK loco is pretty much just an IRC channel with people who speak english in it
[16:43] <cheesehead> I know a couple people who got Linux jobs based on knowing people from a local user group.
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> really?
[16:43] <toddcnb> ubuntu hours are great to fix minor issues and chat with other linux users and show off programs and setups
[16:44] <cheesehead> Is there interest in ressurecting automated feedback/incentives like Ubuntu Accomplishments, or soes everybody just want to get a job?
[16:45] <cheesehead> Some of us already have non-technical jobs, and aren't interested in getting a Linux job.
[16:45] <ali1234> gamification feels like a way to get people to work for free
[16:45] <ali1234> maybe that's just me though
[16:45] <cheesehead> ali1234: Motivates some people, demotivates others. Not for everyone.
[16:46] <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha
[16:46] <akiva-thinkpad> true
[16:46] <belkinsa> ali1234, I agree and it doesn't really promote how good someone is
[16:47] <belkinsa> Wait, I can read.
[16:47] <toddcnb> installfests are very popular for our community
[16:47] <ali1234> many of the old accomplishments weren't even automatic, you had get someone else to verify it
[16:47] <akiva-thinkpad> toddcnb, really?
[16:47] <belkinsa> gamification will promote getting people in but I think there should a way to prove how good people are.
[16:47] <belkinsa> In the skills.
[16:48] <toddcnb> akiva-thinkpad: yes we do two each month but could do 4-5 if we had help
[16:49] <belkinsa> Ali is applying
[16:50] <belkinsa> He just said that on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A22:00
[16:50] <cheesehead> belkinsa: I think we can all agree that gamification is inappropriate for gauging skills and advanced recognition. But there may be a place for it for new entrants and initial contributions.
[16:51] <belkinsa> I agree with it being a place to get people into the Community and get them started.  For there, because they learned the skills, they can maybe apply for the Membership or something like that.
[16:51] <belkinsa> But how will that get them a job in real life, buT can get my answer in Ali's session.
[16:52] <cheesehead> Instead of building new tools, perhaps we should look at existing tools - are we unintentionally giving null- or non-positive feedback to on-ramping contributors?
[16:53] <cheesehead> Learning to Triage bugs in the Bug Squad, for example, is not easy. A simpler on-ramp may help reduce their turnover.
[16:53] <belkinsa> cheesehead, +1
[16:53] <ali1234> triage is easy
[16:54] <ali1234> just ask if they've tested on the most recent version and set the bug to incomplete
[16:54] <belkinsa> Maybe we need to reboot 5-A-Day or something like that
[16:54] <akiva-thinkpad> http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/
[16:54] <cheesehead> belkinsa: But why do 5-a-day? What's the incentive?
[16:55] <belkinsa> Good point.
[16:55] <belkinsa> Never mind
[16:55] <belkinsa> Thanks for the session.
[16:55] <ali1234> btw, the ubuntu-sdk is not something i have ever needed to use while contributing, and i don't see myself ever needing to use it
[16:55] <cheesehead> 5-a-day seems like a good candidate for gamification.
[16:56] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[16:56] <belkinsa> cheesehead, yes, but I  think that is only for bugs, but could be moved to development/coding
[16:57] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, the sdk is still not complete either.
[16:57] <belkinsa> Could this help also: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ProjectHarvest
[16:57] <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat
[16:57] <cheesehead> belkinsa: +1
[16:58] <ali1234> akiva-thinkpad: i only use xubuntu, i've no interest in QML app-dev or whatever it's supposed to be used for
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, A performance hound!
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[16:59] <ali1234> i have contributed to ubuntu platform components only to the extent that they are used in xubuntu
[16:59] <dpm> thanks everyone!
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, qml is mainly for the phone which will eventually come out.
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> the qml apps can work on xubuntu though
[16:59] <ali1234> yeah, again, not interesting to me at all
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[17:00]  * akiva-thinkpad finds the next session
[17:00] <ali1234> if you want me to contribute to that stuff the first thing you need to do is convince me to use it
[17:00] <ali1234> but that will be difficult
[17:00] <cheesehead> ali1234: Okay, how do we convince you to use a certain tool?
[17:00] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, The pragmatism is strong with this one ~
[17:00] <ali1234> cheesehead: make it better than the others?
[17:01] <cheesehead> ali1234: So your only criteria is 'better'?
[17:01] <cheesehead> Not more convenient?
[17:01] <cheesehead> Or familiar?
[17:01] <ali1234> yes, for my personal definition of "better"?
[17:01] <ali1234> no, nothing to do with familiarity, i only switched to xubuntu a year ago
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, well qml's main selling point will be touch inteface with the phone. Do you see yourself eventually getting an ubuntu phone?
[17:01] <ali1234> no.
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmm
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> ubuntu TV?
[17:01] <ali1234> no
[17:02] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmm
[17:02] <ali1234> i don't even have a TV
[17:02] <cheesehead> ali1234: If we don't know your personal definition of 'better', we cannot convince you of anything. So why would we bother? Do what you want.
[17:02] <akiva-thinkpad> good
[17:02] <akiva-thinkpad> tv's are evil time wasters
[17:02] <cheesehead> ali1234: It simply meant you're not a good consumer for the 'incentives' under discussion. You seem self-motivated.
[17:03] <ali1234> yes, very much. really the only way to make me contribute more would be to write even more buggy code
[17:03]  * cheesehead writes that down
[17:03] <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha
[17:03] <akiva-thinkpad> mental note: write more buggier code.
[17:04] <akiva-thinkpad> btw thanks for joining the irc chat; it made it a lot easier to run my first uos session.
[17:05] <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Sure. Does this mean we can eliminate the get-a-job session later? We seem to have covered that ground.
[17:05] <akiva-thinkpad> cheesehead, doesn't matter to me.
[17:05] <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Nor me.
[17:06] <akiva-thinkpad> although truth be told; I would have cancelled it if I had known that session was going on
[17:06]  * akiva-thinkpad grabs some pumpkin pie
[17:07] <ali1234> the reasons i prefer xubuntu involve a lot of things but largely: it is entirely designed for desktop, nothing else. it's a very small code base which is easy to learn all of, and it's a horizontal rather than vertical stack
[17:08] <cheesehead> ali1234: Xubuntu is nice. I used it for many years.
[17:08] <ali1234> by which i mean it shares pieces with a lot of other projects, rather than being a custom UI with custom toolkit running on a custom display server, none of which is used anywhere else
[17:08] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, have you tried lubuntu as well?
[17:09] <ali1234> so if i fix a bug in Gtk it doesn't just help xubuntu
[17:09] <genupulas> so here anybody can talk ?
[17:09] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, that is very true.
[17:09] <cheesehead> genupulas: Yes
[17:09] <akiva-thinkpad> genupulas, yep;
[17:09] <genupulas> ok
[17:10] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, so interestingly a developer from xfce was on linux unplugged podcast awhile back
[17:10] <ali1234> i haven't really tried lubuntu, no. i might if they get some reasonable Qt release going
[17:10] <ali1234> akiva-thinkpad: which one?
[17:10] <akiva-thinkpad> he indicated that XFCE does need some contributors.
[17:10] <ali1234> yeah, i know, i've mostly been working upstream
[17:10] <akiva-thinkpad> I can't recall
[17:11] <ali1234> was probably nick
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> I'm not terribly familiar with xfce; but it was made out to seem that the developer community there was more enthuthiast as opposed to official.
[17:11] <ali1234> absolutely
[17:11] <ali1234> i don't think anyone anywhere is paid to work on xubuntu
[17:11] <ali1234> er, xfce
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, so that is interesting ; you contribute upstream to xfce?
[17:11] <ali1234> well, either really
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[17:12] <ali1234> i contribute upstream to all projects
[17:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, o_O
[17:12] <ali1234> i've patches in the kernel, gtk, more stuff than i can remember
[17:12] <akiva-thinkpad> wow
[17:12] <ali1234> when i hit a bug and it affects me, i fix it
[17:12] <akiva-thinkpad> what are you working on these days?
[17:12] <ali1234> hence, i fix what i use
[17:13] <ali1234> last thing i sent a patch for was xfce task manager
[17:14] <ali1234> that was for a bug found in xubuntu testing
[17:14] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting. Do you use github, launchpad, subversion?
[17:14] <ali1234> i use github and launchpad a lot. also errors.ubuntu.com. subversion... only as long as it takes to import the repo into git
[17:15] <ali1234> xfce also has it's own git repos
[17:15] <ali1234> what i think is really lacking is communication between distros and upstream
[17:15] <ali1234> i find so many bugs on distro bug trackers, especially launchpad
[17:16] <ali1234> and upstream doesn't even know about them
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, yah I get that a lot with my compiz bugs
[17:16] <ali1234> oh yeah, compiz
[17:16] <ali1234> i've got a commit on 0.8, but that was after canonical forked it
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> what for?
[17:16] <ali1234> so probably nobody is using my fix
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ha
[17:16] <ali1234> fixing the ezoom plugin to work with multimonitor
[17:17] <ali1234> most of my patches are trivial as well, like anyone with a bit of critical thinking could find these bugs
[17:17] <ali1234> that and lots of free time
[17:17] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, oh nice. best feature of compiz imo
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, what do you use for your ide?
[17:18] <ali1234> yeah, i agree, that's why i ported it to xfwm
[17:18] <ali1234> i don't use an ide
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> really?
[17:18] <ali1234> i used to use gedit until they ruined it, now i use mousepad
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> vim emacS?
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[17:18] <ali1234> if i am in a terminal i use nano
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> never heard of mousepad
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> have you ever tried geany?
[17:18] <ali1234> it's exactly like how gedit used to be
[17:18] <ali1234> i found geany to be slightly ugly and very slow
[17:19] <akiva-thinkpad> maybe.
[17:19] <ali1234> i like gtksourceview *shrug*
[17:19] <akiva-thinkpad> I like geany because its easy to run python in it.
[17:19] <ali1234> tat's what terminals are for?
[17:19] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, just saves a second.
[17:20] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, one thing I also like is that it works with ubuntu's hud. That is really the selling point for me in unity
[17:20] <akiva-thinkpad> And what I missed in xfce.
[17:20] <ali1234> oh jesus no
[17:20] <akiva-thinkpad> not the dash; the hud :P
[17:21] <ali1234> the hud is horrible, i used unity for over a year and the first thing i did when reinstalling is unbind alt
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> although I like the dash as well.
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[17:21] <ali1234> the second thing i did was unbind the windows key
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting
[17:21] <ali1234> the third thing was turn off overlay scrollbars and global menu
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> different strokes for different folks. I love the hud with gimp because most of the options do not have a shortcut key associated with it.
[17:22] <ali1234> painting with keyboard... senseful?
[17:22] <ali1234> i really dislike this push towards keyboard shortcuts... for years ui designers told us how much users hate keyboard shortcuts and typing things
[17:22] <ali1234> ut now apparently they love it
[17:23] <akiva-thinkpad> ha true that
[17:23] <ali1234> well, except when they are using apps... then it all has to be touch controls
[17:25] <ali1234> anyway, my feeling to getting more contributors... and this was raised in the previous session too... first you need to stop losing them
[17:25] <ali1234> and that's something i've been saying for years now
[17:25] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, how do you do that?
[17:26] <ali1234> well, stop chasing users at the expense of people like me
[17:26] <ali1234> i used unity for years, tried to contribute, it was just a mess
[17:26] <ali1234> eventually gave up and went to xubuntu
[17:26] <ali1234> i reported many bugs in that time
[17:26] <ali1234> nearly all of them are still open
[17:27] <akiva-thinkpad> yah it would be good to perhaps indicate that unity7 or compiz are not in active development.
[17:27] <ali1234> the unity stack is huge and vertical and i never could even figure out which part was broken, let alone fix it
[17:27] <ali1234> unity 8 is no better... it is just different
[17:27] <ali1234> i do still watch the development
[17:28] <ali1234> in a way i am glad i never bothered to learn unity 7, because it's dead now
[17:28] <akiva-thinkpad> I have mainly contributed to the core apps; havn't delved much into unity8 itself
[17:28] <ali1234> the phone stuff isn't usable yet
[17:28] <akiva-thinkpad>  I know the feeling of trying to track down what lever pushes what button.
[17:28] <ali1234> you need people who fix what they use
[17:28] <ali1234> first then, you need people using it
[17:29] <akiva-thinkpad> One of my complains is sometimes it is unclear where to file bugs for certain projects
[17:29] <ali1234> right now, people can only use unity 7 day to day
[17:29] <ali1234> but that's dead, so even if they do fix it, it's not worth much
[17:29] <ali1234> constant API churn and rewriting things instead of fixing them has been a problem for a long time now
[17:30] <ali1234> it basically makes it impossible for people to fix what they use
[17:30] <ali1234> because the development version is constantly too buggy to use, and the stable version is maintenance only
[17:30] <ali1234> like i said, i've been harping on about these problems for years
[17:30] <ali1234> just ask popey; he's bored of listening to this rant now
[17:31] <ali1234> anyway, gotta go for dinner
[17:31] <ali1234> cya later
[17:31] <akiva-thinkpad> later
[17:31] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[17:31] <akiva-thinkpad> see you around
[18:53] <dwvisser> Satisfied Lubuntu 14.04 LTS user here. (Installed on 2 machines at home at several at work used for software development.)
[18:53] <wxl> wow we already got a convo going on neat :)
[18:54] <dwvisser> oops... *and* several at work
[18:54] <joern_> hi everyone!
[18:55] <wxl> yeah well i'm at work too :)
[18:55] <dwvisser> Hello. Where is everyone in meatspace. I'm in the USA.
[18:55] <wxl> but about to go at lunch to do this
[18:55] <wxl> ok i'm headed for it
[18:59] <wxl> 30 seconds
[19:00] <wxl> um is it up?
[19:00] <ianorlin> confirmed up
[19:00] <belkinsa> And you are live!
[19:01] <belkinsa> I see you!
[19:02] <joern_> I'm watching it, too
[19:02] <joern_> :D
[19:02] <wxl> can you all see the slides/
[19:02] <joern_> but I still don't know how I can join and stuff :P
[19:02] <belkinsa> Blackscreen, wxl
[19:02] <wxl> black screen?
[19:02] <belkinsa> I see them now!
[19:02] <belkinsa> Video lag
[19:03] <joern_> yes, the slides are there
[19:03] <amjjawad> wxl:
[19:03] <amjjawad> I can see it :)
[19:03] <joern_> hi amjjawad
[19:03] <gilir> is there a link somewhere to join the hangout ? :-)
[19:03] <amjjawad> joern_: hello :)
[19:03] <joern_> wxl: you are in a public toilet, aren't you?
[19:03] <joern_> :D
[19:03] <gilir> Looks like a 1 man presentation for now :-)
[19:03] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I failed to sleep :(
[19:04] <amjjawad> joern_: hehehe
[19:04] <joern_> o/ gilir
[19:04] <belkinsa> There should be a Join Hangout on the page
[19:04] <phillw> gilir:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22341/community-1411-latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development/
[19:04] <belkinsa> wxl, which the side
[19:04] <phillw> you need to me signed on, iirc
[19:05] <amjjawad> wxl: you need to post the link here so people could join
[19:05] <amjjawad> click on "invite" on google hangout and copy-paste the link and post it here
[19:05] <joern_> hi phillw
[19:06] <phillw> ho joern_
[19:06] <jose> link is on summit if you marked you were very interested in attending
[19:06] <jose> or are required
[19:06] <belkinsa> Did wxl forgot to switch the side?
[19:06] <amjjawad> jose: I know. Some other people don't though
[19:06] <jose> that's why I wrote it here :)
[19:07] <amjjawad> and that is why I asked wxl to post the link here to make life easier ;)
[19:07] <gilir> phillw, I am only on listen-only mode with this link, but maybe it's on purpose for the beginning of the session
[19:07] <joern_> me too
[19:07] <joern_> :D
[19:08] <amjjawad> wxl: your slide does not work
[19:08]  * belkinsa is listening too
[19:08] <phillw> gilir: belkinsa is the person to sort that out, that's why we have her :)
[19:08] <joern_> but that's better, I guess you don't want to hear my terrible english ^^
[19:08] <amjjawad> wxl: it is on the first page only
[19:08] <belkinsa> I think he can't see the IRC
[19:08] <joern_> that's right
[19:08] <amjjawad> belkinsa: indeed
[19:08] <belkinsa> But I think he post those sides somewhere
[19:08] <MarcT> Need to change the slides
[19:09] <belkinsa> Who is in the hangout with him?  Tell me.
[19:09] <amjjawad> well, someone with good English needs to join him and talk to him ;)
[19:09] <belkinsa> Tell him*
[19:09] <amjjawad> No one as far as I can tell
[19:10] <ianorlin> team :D
[19:10] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I thought you will attend my session :(
[19:11] <amjjawad> looks like it is the time zone belkinsa
[19:11] <belkinsa> amjjawad, I don't have something sable
[19:11] <gilir> hopefuly, we will have the slides after the session :-)
[19:11] <belkinsa> I wanted to host one today but I wasn't able because my computer
[19:11] <belkinsa> gilir, hopefully
[19:11] <amjjawad> belkinsa: what is wrong with your computer?
[19:12] <belkinsa> Yes, and I will fix it
[19:12] <amjjawad> belkinsa: hope so :)
[19:13] <belkinsa> To bad that you can't do hangouts on air on a tablet taht well
[19:13]  * amjjawad when will wxl see the IRC?
[19:13] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I do prefer computers rather than stuff like tablets ..
[19:14] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I don't even have a tab and I don't want to
[19:14] <belkinsa> Same here
[19:14] <joern_> well if I could make Lubuntu completely running on my tablet, I would like it ^^
[19:14] <joern_> but the wifi isn't working
[19:14] <amjjawad> joern_: It is not the system in my case, it is just that I feel myself with a keyboard and buttons
[19:15] <amjjawad> touch thing is not my thing :)
[19:15] <amjjawad> joern_: maybe when ToriOS is out, that would be possible :D
[19:15] <joern_> :P
[19:16] <belkinsa> \o/
[19:18] <amjjawad> why this session about the team?
[19:18] <amjjawad> I thought it is about the dev side?!
[19:18] <belkinsa> What happened?
[19:18] <amjjawad> disconnected
[19:18] <joern_> maybe something with the water closed he's obviously sitting on? ;-)
[19:19]  * belkinsa thinks doing this session via iRC is better
[19:19] <joern_> *closet
[19:19] <belkinsa> ;)
[19:19] <amjjawad> joern_: hahah
[19:19] <wxl> argh
[19:19] <wxl> what the hell :(
[19:19] <belkinsa> You need a new hangout and start again
[19:19] <joern_> wb Walter
[19:19] <amjjawad> finally you looked at the IRC :D wxl
[19:19] <belkinsa> start that one and move one*
[19:19] <wxl> so the slides didn't work??? :(
[19:19] <amjjawad> your slide wasn't working
[19:19] <amjjawad> wxl: nope
[19:19] <wxl> sorry it's hard to see slides and irc at the same time
[19:19] <belkinsa> wxl, F5 and scroll through the,
[19:19] <wxl> i'll try again
[19:19] <wxl> i did belkinsa
[19:20] <belkinsa> Oh, really?
[19:20] <belkinsa> Strange
[19:20] <marcLBPSB> Not able to hear or see anything?
[19:20] <amjjawad> if you click on the link, you should go back again wxl
[19:20] <belkinsa> wxl is having problem
[19:20] <phillw> marcLBPSB:  hangout reset... just re-starting
[19:21] <marcLBPSB> cool....back in
[19:21] <marcLBPSB> sound is echo now..hearing everything twice
[19:22] <joern_> no echo for me
[19:22] <belkinsa> QUESTION: Will the sides be posted somewhere?
[19:22] <joern_> there is someone in the background
[19:22] <belkinsa> Yes
[19:22] <joern_> bit small, but I see it
[19:22] <amjjawad> wxl: yes
[19:22] <marcLBPSB> can see but sound is echo x 2
[19:22] <amjjawad> can you make it bigger wxl
[19:22] <belkinsa> Not really, no echo for me
[19:22] <ianorlin> I can see it
[19:22] <phillw> yup
[19:23] <amjjawad> no echo here
[19:23] <phillw> no echo here
[19:23] <joern_> yay, scrolling slides
[19:23] <joern_> !
[19:24] <belkinsa> Sorry for the repost
[19:24] <belkinsa> wxl, QUESTION: Will the sides be posted somewhere? (if you want to answer it in the end go ahead)
[19:24] <amjjawad> why don't you guys join him?!
[19:24] <amjjawad> don't be shy to share your voice :P
[19:24] <belkinsa> Still no scroll
[19:25] <ianorlin> link ?
[19:25] <amjjawad> https://plus.google.com/events/cjplq7nnhal3decmvu8afk516mk
[19:25] <MarcT> I had two windows open at same time which explains the echo....sorry
[19:25] <amjjawad> MarcT: ;)
[19:26] <belkinsa> Scrolling now!
[19:26] <belkinsa> \o/
[19:33] <wxl> gilir: are you ready?
[19:34] <gilir> wxl, yes, but I suppose to talk alone ?
[19:35] <wxl> gilir: just come on and you'll take over
[19:35] <MarcT> When will 14.10 become an LTS release
[19:35] <joern_> never :P
[19:35] <ianorlin> Where do you report bugs with LXQt if you find them?
[19:35] <wxl> it's an automatic thing about hangouts
[19:35] <joern_> it's not supposed to
[19:35] <gilir> wxl, I'm already on the hangout
[19:35] <wxl> gilir: nope
[19:35] <joern_> wxl: I guess you need to invite or something
[19:36] <wxl> invited
[19:36] <gilir> ianorlin, https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next
[19:37] <gilir> or if you are sure it's upstream : https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/issues
[19:37] <gilir> wxl, I already click on the link, but I'm on listen-only mode
[19:37] <wxl> gilir: change that
[19:38] <gilir> wxl, how do you do that ?
[19:39]  * gilir try to disconnect / reconnect
[19:39] <belkinsa> Is there an unmute for mic for you?
[19:39] <belkinsa> gilir^^^
[19:39] <wxl> it's that he's not even in the hangout
[19:39] <wxl> can ANYONE actually join the hangout?
[19:40] <joern_> not me
[19:40] <phillw> needs an invite, iirc
[19:40] <gilir> wxl, I think nobody can join
[19:40] <belkinsa> What is the link again?
[19:40] <phillw> belkinsa: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22341/community-1411-latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development/
[19:40] <gilir> I remember first UOS, you saw the people connected to the hangout
[19:41] <wxl> https://plus.google.com/events/cjplq7nnhal3decmvu8afk516mk
[19:41] <gilir> and now, I see nobody execpt wxl
[19:41] <belkinsa> Use the link that you have for the hangout that you are in.
[19:41] <wxl> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdAexc11cnL-K9M5hv4-NuvJixppCPs0lztE6XVus1cjW2dFA?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:41] <wxl> that?
[19:41] <belkinsa> Yes
[19:41] <wxl> oh jeez :/
[19:41]  * wxl facepalms
[19:42] <belkinsa> Link works
[19:42] <belkinsa> gilir, use that link
[19:42] <belkinsa> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdAexc11cnL-K9M5hv4-NuvJixppCPs0lztE6XVus1cjW2dFA?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:43] <belkinsa> I can too
[19:43] <wxl> hi jörn
[19:43] <belkinsa> Where is gilir from?
[19:43] <wxl> france i believe
[19:44] <joern_> finally
[19:44] <belkinsa> He kind of sounds like Gru.  ;)
[19:44] <joern_> belkinsa: where did you get that link from? :D
[19:44] <belkinsa> This one? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdAexc11cnL-K9M5hv4-NuvJixppCPs0lztE6XVus1cjW2dFA?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:44] <belkinsa> From wxl
[19:44] <joern_> yes that one
[19:44] <wxl> ooh it's phillw
[19:44] <belkinsa> It's the hangout link to be in it
[19:44] <joern_> good to know
[19:45] <belkinsa> Firefox, why you crash?
[19:45] <phillw> not shaved... dropped camaera :)
[19:45] <joern_> come on phillw
[19:50] <wxl> joern_: 5 minutes left if you want to talk!
[19:50] <belkinsa> Who is the other guy, not ianorlin but the other one
[19:50] <belkinsa> joern_, is that you in the hangout?
[19:50] <wxl> belkinsa: joern with the headphones
[19:50] <joern_> yes that's me
[19:50] <belkinsa> AH, I see.
[19:51] <belkinsa> It's finally good to see you joern_ in person
[19:51] <joern_> if there is time, I would like to ask about btrfs support for Lubuntu
[19:51] <wxl> 1s
[19:51] <joern_> my fancy gaming headphone :P
[19:51] <wxl> joern_: ↑
[19:51] <wxl> when julien is done talking please introduce yourself
[19:52] <joern_> sounds fine
[19:52] <belkinsa> 16.04 should the LTS but 15.04 or 15.10 can be the switch but more for testing it
[19:52] <belkinsa> 16.04 LTS with the new thing, I mean
[19:52] <wxl> that's what gilir is discussing
[19:52] <belkinsa> AH, I see.
[19:53] <wxl> well 2 min left
[19:53] <wxl> joern_: go
[19:54]  * wxl pets his beard
[19:55] <belkinsa> Thanks for the this session guys
[19:55] <wxl> thanks for coming belkinsa
[19:56] <joern_>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu…/+source/ubiquity/+bug/204187
[19:56] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 204187 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No compressed file system option in ubiquity." [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[19:57] <wxl> bug 204187
[20:00] <wxl> all good buddy
[20:03] <gilir> thanks wxl :-)
[20:03] <wxl> thanks gilir !
[20:03] <phillw> good session!
[20:04] <phillw> wxl: always good to bag the last one of the day... you don't get kicked off :D
[20:04] <wxl> except for the technical mishaps
[20:04] <wxl> shall we continue this conversation at the usual meeting place?
[20:04] <phillw> can do :)7
[20:04] <wxl> ta all