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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Track: Ubuntu Development | When should we stop making 32 bit images? | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22353/when-should-we-stop-making-32-bit-images/ | ||
| gQuigs | infinity: https://plus.google.com/events/cphiehom1ihmqbns4lg8gj1r92c | 13:58 |
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| infinity | apw: ^ | 13:58 |
| gQuigs | let's try that again: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbzWsy8s-gssRKFksr9j920IwN1x90T15st-BUItGh1Pov6Q?authuser=0&hl=en | 13:59 |
| apw | gQuigs, not sure that is the right link at all | 13:59 |
| infinity | gQuigs: Err, is that the on-air URL? I see no way to actually join the hangout. | 13:59 |
| infinity | Oh, second one is better. | 13:59 |
| willcooke | Did you guys need a hand getting the hangout set up> | 14:01 |
| willcooke | ? | 14:01 |
| infinity | willcooke: Looks like we've got it going. | 14:02 |
| willcooke | great | 14:02 |
| infinity | willcooke: gQuigs Just needs to smack the on air button. | 14:02 |
| willcooke | et voila :) | 14:02 |
| arges | yo. where is the video link? | 14:07 |
| henrix | arges: i was looking at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22353/when-should-we-stop-making-32-bit-images/ | 14:08 |
| arges | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTGVjwkgN_I | 14:08 |
| cyphermox | henrix: you see video on summit right now? | 14:09 |
| henrix | cyphermox: i can see it in the link arges just posted | 14:09 |
| cyphermox | right | 14:09 |
| henrix | cyphermox: but not on the one i posted | 14:09 |
| cyphermox | the google plus events link works to watch, but something isn't sufficiently configured so that video shows up on summit.ubuntu.com | 14:09 |
| arges | yup | 14:09 |
| henrix | arges: thanks, btw ;) | 14:10 |
| arges | np | 14:10 |
| balloons | I pushed the proper link to the page, a refresh should show the stream now | 14:12 |
| arges | balloons: yay it works now | 14:12 |
| cjwatson | installing the 64-bit kernel is only really hard because we don't build it for i386 and rely on multiarch | 14:20 |
| infinity | cjwatson: yeah, that was covered. | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | (but that still doesn't mean impossible, just fiddlier) | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | cool, I was a bit late | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | ... and I make that about a minute lag | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | I think that Debian would prefer to be relying on multiarch rather than having an -amd64 flavour on i386, FWIW | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | it means more downloading on apt-get update for any i386 users | 14:22 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Did you want to hop in on the fishbowl? | 14:23 |
| cjwatson | guess I can | 14:23 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Though, I tihnk we're close to done. | 14:23 |
| cjwatson | did you already talk about the 32-bit UEFI issue? | 14:24 |
| gQuigs | thanks! | 14:42 |
| arges | good job | 14:42 |
| gQuigs | apw: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1411-drop-x86-32 .. haven't moved stuff yet | 14:46 |
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| balloons | no video guys? | 15:10 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Track: Ubuntu Development | 15.04 release planning | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22386/1504-release-planning/ | ||
| * stgraber waves | 15:53 | |
| Riddell | hola | 15:55 |
| Laney | hai | 15:55 |
| Laney | do I just paste the URL of the hangout or something? | 15:55 |
| Laney | I gave it to summit already ... | 15:55 |
| Laney | well: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYd1Z43GhaMVvkkEPrYg-Fsa_2hztiGM9XS7YjnqZzE0eqdyGQ?authuser=0&hl=en-GB ? | 15:56 |
| infinity | Oh, the URL's here. | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | I'm needed in a different session; may hop in at some point. | 16:00 |
| infinity | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule | 16:01 |
| Laney | I can't unmute | 16:11 |
| Laney | for some reason | 16:11 |
| Laney | we're on the stable GNOME | 16:11 |
| Laney | don't know | 16:11 |
| shirgall | Gnome 3.15 beta is expected 2/18 | 16:11 |
| shirgall | (3.15.90) | 16:11 |
| shirgall | 3.16.0 stable expected 3/25 | 16:12 |
| shirgall | https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointFifteen | 16:12 |
| slangasek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseTaskSignup "15.04 Alpha 2 QA contact: flavor contacts"; "15.04 Beta 1 QA contact: flavour contacts" | 16:16 |
| slangasek | yes you can see this page was prepared by a Canadian | 16:16 |
| shirgall | You should really write your release notes today based on the current plan and adjust it as you go along. Makes it easier to see the goal. | 16:19 |
| infinity | slangasek: Ahh, it's obvious that someone else did the first two and I did the second. :P | 16:20 |
| infinity | s/second/third/ | 16:20 |
| Laney | something very weird is happening to my hangout | 16:23 |
| Laney | or maybe I'm in a time loop | 16:23 |
| Laney | I think the world would explode if I reset probably | 16:24 |
| Laney | s/reset/refreshed/ | 16:24 |
| stgraber | yeah, that seems probable | 16:24 |
| Laney | I'm getting the current audio interleaved with audio from 2 minutes previous | 16:25 |
| Laney | wait | 16:25 |
| Laney | some youtube video started playing | 16:26 |
| Laney | fixed :) | 16:26 |
| stgraber | was about to suggest that :) | 16:26 |
| Laney | but I hadn't touched the browser at all | 16:26 |
| Laney | ho hum | 16:26 |
| belvis | it's very nice to have a later import freeze | 16:26 |
| stgraber | yeah, the summit page auto-reloads somehow, had that happen to me in the past | 16:26 |
| slangasek | infinity: I thought that's because the new release process is the one that has to be followed hung over | 16:40 |
| infinity | Bingo. | 16:40 |
| infinity | Though, often drunk, not hung over. | 16:40 |
| Laney | USB breathalysers | 16:41 |
| stgraber | there's a pam module for that | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | yes, possibly trimming the last few would be a good idea :) | 16:43 |
| Laney | I don't even know how you post it to youtube, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | Laney: win | 16:43 |
| shirgall | Too late. ;) | 16:43 |
| shirgall | Posting to youtube now. | 16:43 |
| Laney | I just pressed "stop" | 16:43 |
| infinity | I need a breathalyser on my phone to prevent drunk texting. | 16:43 |
| Laney | Assume there's a post-upload editing facility | 16:43 |
| infinity | Laney: I believe you can trim ends, don't know about actual editing. | 16:43 |
| Laney | "Vote for your favourite moments!" | 16:44 |
| Laney | hahaha | 16:44 |
| * Laney does this | 16:44 | |
| shirgall | "We can effectively revert things with copies if we cross our fingers." | 16:44 |
| stgraber | now we need to edit the IRC log too... :) | 16:44 |
| infinity | EDIT ALL THE THINGS. | 16:45 |
| Laney | ah | 16:45 |
| Laney | I had to "hang up" a second time | 16:45 |
| shirgall | revert 'stuff' I got the quote wrong | 16:46 |
| shirgall | Don't worry the video is unlisted. | 16:49 |
| shirgall | (Yeah, I checked) | 16:50 |
| Laney | I found the editor | 16:50 |
| Laney | BAH. | 16:54 |
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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Track: Ubuntu Development | Unity8 & Mir casual catch up | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22397/unity8-mir-casual-catch-up/ | ||
| willcooke | video working? | 18:01 |
| mhall119 | working now,yes | 18:01 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 18:01 |
| CheeseBurg | Can the slides link be placed here | 18:03 |
| willcooke | I'll get a link | 18:03 |
| avoine | indeed new indicators are really great | 18:10 |
| mrbrownstone3g | QUESTION: Have the mor team looked into moving to libinput? | 18:10 |
| mrbrownstone3g | mir | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | QUESTION: What work needs to be done to support traditional desktop style stacked windows? How about traditional desktop, will it have a root window? | 18:11 |
| avoine | it is not clear that is it a swipe button tough | 18:12 |
| CheeseBurg | mhall119: Was about to ask something like that lol | 18:12 |
| mhall119 | CheeseBurg: I was initially going to ask mrbrownstone3g's questions, so now you steal one of his | 18:13 |
| * mhall119 spies libinput :) | 18:17 | |
| willcooke | mrbrownstone3g, does that answer your question? | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: the broadcast video hasn't reached that point yet, we have a minute or two lag | 18:18 |
| willcooke | ah yes | 18:18 |
| mhall119 | but I think it did, yes | 18:18 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: did you say when rootless X windows will be supported in Unity Next ISO? | 18:20 |
| CheeseBurg | Yea he is just finishing the slides | 18:20 |
| mhall119 | QUESTION: When/how will we be able to record video directly from Mir? How about a Mir gstreamer source? | 18:20 |
| * mhall119 knows about mircast, but it stores frames as individual image files, IIRC | 18:22 | |
| mhall119 | mirscreencast or whatever it's called | 18:22 |
| CheeseBurg | QUESTION: What is the estimated time for Unity 8 to be able to do traditional desktop stuff? Not interested in when it becomes default, just working. | 18:22 |
| willcooke | HOWTO: Create videos from mirscreencast: http://www.whizzy.org/2014/08/recording-screencasts-from-the-unity-8-desktop-preview/ | 18:24 |
| CheeseBurg | Ok so 15.04ish then? | 18:25 |
| willcooke | ish :) | 18:25 |
| kgunn | link to unity8/mir session https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1h-5cMRK3xsy9ayb4-74L0R2zld-CC5xcqO8bJQAVlvo/edit?usp=sharing | 18:25 |
| CheeseBurg | kgunn: Thanks for the slides | 18:25 |
| balloons | QUESTION: Any thoughts on running my desktop with XMir and mir again? | 18:25 |
| CheeseBurg | QUESTION: Has there been interest in Mir outside from Ubuntu | 18:26 |
| CheeseBurg | oh snap it ended already lol | 18:26 |
| balloons | hehe, and the broadcast ends | 18:26 |
| kgunn | balloons: some people still do appearently, some folks tell of "improved performance" I think b/c it gives another buffer to prevent pipeline stall | 18:26 |
| kgunn | some gamers use it | 18:27 |
| kgunn | CheeseBurg: yes, there has been outside interest | 18:27 |
| CheeseBurg | kgunn: Can you say who or is that NDA? | 18:27 |
| kgunn | there have been some chip partners as well as some companies that do vm's | 18:28 |
| kgunn | CheeseBurg: yeah, i can't get too specific | 18:28 |
| CheeseBurg | Understandable | 18:29 |
| kgunn | i'll say there's been one project that actually did their own shell on mir...totally custom | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | XBMC? | 18:29 |
| CheeseBurg | I wish these projects would talk about it. I am interested in Mir usage outside of Ubuntu | 18:30 |
| kgunn | i know it is frustrating at times | 18:30 |
| kgunn | avoine: @hard to tell it's a swipe...you can always file a bug and we can bring that up with design | 18:31 |
| kgunn | it doesn't mean they'll change it for sure, but always up for discussion from user feedback | 18:31 |
| avoine | kgunn: yeah, I'll | 18:32 |
| avoine | kgunn: that bring me an other question, where should I fill this "general" bugs that are not app specific, unity8? | 18:34 |
| kgunn | avoine: yes, if it's really something about the shell....then unity8 is the place | 18:35 |
| avoine | ok | 18:35 |
| kgunn | anything shell is launcher, indicators/panel, dash, notifications | 18:35 |
| kgunn | that sort of thing | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | i am somewhat interested in using Mir in Xfce | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | or Xfce in Mir | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | but only because i looked at Wayland and said "nope" | 18:36 |
| kgunn | avoine: and don't worry about logging against the wrong project too much...bugs usually find their way | 18:36 |
| kgunn | ali1234: does xfce have it's own toolkit or use gtk ? | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | kgunn: it uses gtk | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | kgunn: but more importantly it uses libwnck | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | and doesn't agree with CSD and the "compositor does everything" model | 18:37 |
| Trevinho | ali1234: I maintain libwnck, and I think it won't be moved to anything different from X any time soon | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | Trevinho: that's fine as long as something replaces it | 18:38 |
| Trevinho | ali1234: it can be replaced in some terms, but also Xfce will need to provide its own compositor also in a mir world | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | Trevinho: again, that is fine, as long as we don't have to invent custom APIs for everything | 18:39 |
| Trevinho | (or a compositor based on something that is shared by others, if you prefer) | 18:39 |
| Trevinho | well, mir has not a protocol by itself | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | so what would be the place to start? | 18:44 |
| ali1234 | the problems listed by the cairo-dock developer are pretty much identical to the ones i have identified | 18:44 |
| ali1234 | running cairo-dock inside xfce is something xfce users would expect to be able to do | 18:45 |
| ali1234 | but under the current model we'd both have to write our own (incompatible) compositors | 18:46 |
| kgunn | ali1234: for the gtk aspect this is a nice link describing the current state | 18:47 |
| kgunn | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/ubuntu-devs-demo-gtk-apps-running-mir-unity-8 | 18:47 |
| kgunn | ali1234: have you used mir ? or played with the example apps/example shell ? | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | no | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | it won't run on my graphics card | 18:48 |
| kgunn | ali1234: ah...proprietary drivers | 18:51 |
| kgunn | feel free to visit #ubuntu-mir | 18:51 |
| ali1234 | i've used it on a phone actually... i ported the first ever ubuntu touch release to samsung galaxy | 18:53 |
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