[13:58] <gQuigs> infinity: https://plus.google.com/events/cphiehom1ihmqbns4lg8gj1r92c
[13:58] <infinity> apw: ^
[13:59] <gQuigs> let's try that again: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbzWsy8s-gssRKFksr9j920IwN1x90T15st-BUItGh1Pov6Q?authuser=0&hl=en
[13:59] <apw> gQuigs, not sure that is the right link at all
[13:59] <infinity> gQuigs: Err, is that the on-air URL?  I see no way to actually join the hangout.
[13:59] <infinity> Oh, second one is better.
[14:01] <willcooke> Did you guys need a hand getting the hangout set up>
[14:01] <willcooke> ?
[14:02] <infinity> willcooke: Looks like we've got it going.
[14:02] <willcooke> great
[14:02] <infinity> willcooke: gQuigs Just needs to smack the on air button.
[14:02] <willcooke> et voila :)
[14:07] <arges> yo. where is the video link?
[14:08] <henrix> arges: i was looking at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22353/when-should-we-stop-making-32-bit-images/
[14:08] <arges> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTGVjwkgN_I
[14:09] <cyphermox> henrix: you see video on summit right now?
[14:09] <henrix> cyphermox: i can see it in the link arges just posted
[14:09] <cyphermox> right
[14:09] <henrix> cyphermox: but not on the one i posted
[14:09] <cyphermox> the google plus events link works to watch, but something isn't sufficiently configured so that video shows up on summit.ubuntu.com
[14:09] <arges> yup
[14:10] <henrix> arges: thanks, btw ;)
[14:10] <arges> np
[14:12] <balloons> I pushed the proper link to the page, a refresh should show the stream now
[14:12] <arges> balloons: yay it works now
[14:20] <cjwatson> installing the 64-bit kernel is only really hard because we don't build it for i386 and rely on multiarch
[14:20] <infinity> cjwatson: yeah, that was covered.
[14:20] <cjwatson> (but that still doesn't mean impossible, just fiddlier)
[14:20] <cjwatson> cool, I was a bit late
[14:21] <cjwatson> ... and I make that about a minute lag
[14:21] <cjwatson> I think that Debian would prefer to be relying on multiarch rather than having an -amd64 flavour on i386, FWIW
[14:22] <cjwatson> it means more downloading on apt-get update for any i386 users
[14:23] <infinity> cjwatson: Did you want to hop in on the fishbowl?
[14:23] <cjwatson> guess I can
[14:23] <infinity> cjwatson: Though, I tihnk we're close to done.
[14:24] <cjwatson> did you already talk about the 32-bit UEFI issue?
[14:42] <gQuigs> thanks!
[14:42] <arges> good job
[14:46] <gQuigs> apw: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1411-drop-x86-32 .. haven't moved stuff yet
[15:10] <balloons> no video guys?
[15:53]  * stgraber waves
[15:55] <Riddell> hola
[15:55] <Laney> hai
[15:55] <Laney> do I just paste the URL of the hangout or something?
[15:55] <Laney> I gave it to summit already ...
[15:56] <Laney> well: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYd1Z43GhaMVvkkEPrYg-Fsa_2hztiGM9XS7YjnqZzE0eqdyGQ?authuser=0&hl=en-GB ?
[15:59] <infinity> Oh, the URL's here.
[16:00] <cjwatson> I'm needed in a different session; may hop in at some point.
[16:01] <infinity> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[16:11] <Laney> I can't unmute
[16:11] <Laney> for some reason
[16:11] <Laney> we're on the stable GNOME
[16:11] <Laney> don't know
[16:11] <shirgall> Gnome 3.15 beta is expected 2/18
[16:11] <shirgall> (3.15.90)
[16:12] <shirgall> 3.16.0 stable expected 3/25
[16:12] <shirgall> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointFifteen
[16:16] <slangasek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseTaskSignup  "15.04 Alpha 2 QA contact: flavor contacts"; "15.04 Beta 1 QA contact: flavour contacts"
[16:16] <slangasek> yes you can see this page was prepared by a Canadian
[16:19] <shirgall> You should really write your release notes today based on the current plan and adjust it as you go along. Makes it easier to see the goal.
[16:20] <infinity> slangasek: Ahh, it's obvious that someone else did the first two and I did the second. :P
[16:20] <infinity> s/second/third/
[16:23] <Laney> something very weird is happening to my hangout
[16:23] <Laney> or maybe I'm in a time loop
[16:24] <Laney> I think the world would explode if I reset probably
[16:24] <Laney> s/reset/refreshed/
[16:24] <stgraber> yeah, that seems probable
[16:25] <Laney> I'm getting the current audio interleaved with audio from 2 minutes previous
[16:25] <Laney> wait
[16:26] <Laney> some youtube video started playing
[16:26] <Laney> fixed :)
[16:26] <stgraber> was about to suggest that :)
[16:26] <Laney> but I hadn't touched the browser at all
[16:26] <Laney> ho hum
[16:26] <belvis> it's very nice to have a later import freeze
[16:26] <stgraber> yeah, the summit page auto-reloads somehow, had that happen to me in the past
[16:40] <slangasek> infinity: I thought that's because the new release process is the one that has to be followed hung over
[16:40] <infinity> Bingo.
[16:40] <infinity> Though, often drunk, not hung over.
[16:41] <Laney> USB breathalysers
[16:42] <stgraber> there's a pam module for that
[16:43] <cjwatson> yes, possibly trimming the last few would be a good idea :)
[16:43] <Laney> I don't even know how you post it to youtube, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:43] <cjwatson> Laney: win
[16:43] <shirgall> Too late. ;)
[16:43] <shirgall> Posting to youtube now.
[16:43] <Laney> I just pressed "stop"
[16:43] <infinity> I need a breathalyser on my phone to prevent drunk texting.
[16:43] <Laney> Assume there's a post-upload editing facility
[16:43] <infinity> Laney: I believe you can trim ends, don't know about actual editing.
[16:44] <Laney> "Vote for your favourite moments!"
[16:44] <Laney> hahaha
[16:44]  * Laney does this
[16:44] <shirgall> "We can effectively revert things with copies if we cross our fingers."
[16:44] <stgraber> now we need to edit the IRC log too... :)
[16:45] <infinity> EDIT ALL THE THINGS.
[16:45] <Laney> ah
[16:45] <Laney> I had to "hang up" a second time
[16:46] <shirgall> revert 'stuff' I got the quote wrong
[16:49] <shirgall> Don't worry the video is unlisted.
[16:50] <shirgall> (Yeah, I checked)
[16:50] <Laney> I found the editor
[16:54] <Laney> BAH.
[18:01] <willcooke> video working?
[18:01] <mhall119> working now,yes
[18:01] <willcooke> \o/
[18:03] <CheeseBurg> Can the slides link be placed here
[18:03] <willcooke> I'll get a link
[18:10] <avoine> indeed new indicators are really great
[18:10] <mrbrownstone3g> QUESTION:  Have the mor team looked into moving to libinput?
[18:10] <mrbrownstone3g> mir
[18:11] <mhall119> QUESTION: What work needs to be done to support traditional desktop style stacked windows? How about traditional desktop, will it have a root window?
[18:12] <avoine> it is not clear that is it a swipe button tough
[18:12] <CheeseBurg> mhall119: Was about to ask something like that lol
[18:13] <mhall119> CheeseBurg: I was initially going to ask mrbrownstone3g's questions, so now you steal one of his
[18:17]  * mhall119 spies libinput :)
[18:17] <willcooke> mrbrownstone3g, does that answer your question?
[18:18] <mhall119> willcooke: the broadcast video hasn't reached that point yet, we have a minute or two lag
[18:18] <willcooke> ah yes
[18:18] <mhall119> but I think it did, yes
[18:20] <mhall119> willcooke: did you say when rootless X windows will be supported in Unity Next ISO?
[18:20] <CheeseBurg> Yea he is just finishing the slides
[18:20] <mhall119> QUESTION: When/how will we be able to record video directly from Mir? How about a Mir gstreamer source?
[18:22]  * mhall119 knows about mircast, but it stores frames as individual image files, IIRC
[18:22] <mhall119> mirscreencast or whatever it's called
[18:22] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: What is the estimated time for Unity 8 to be able to do traditional desktop stuff? Not interested in when it becomes default, just working.
[18:24] <willcooke> HOWTO:  Create videos from mirscreencast:  http://www.whizzy.org/2014/08/recording-screencasts-from-the-unity-8-desktop-preview/
[18:25] <CheeseBurg> Ok so 15.04ish then?
[18:25] <willcooke> ish :)
[18:25] <kgunn> link to unity8/mir session https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1h-5cMRK3xsy9ayb4-74L0R2zld-CC5xcqO8bJQAVlvo/edit?usp=sharing
[18:25] <CheeseBurg> kgunn: Thanks for the slides
[18:25] <balloons> QUESTION: Any thoughts on running my desktop with XMir and mir again?
[18:26] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Has there been interest in Mir outside from Ubuntu
[18:26] <CheeseBurg> oh snap it ended already lol
[18:26] <balloons> hehe, and the broadcast ends
[18:26] <kgunn> balloons: some people still do appearently, some folks tell of "improved performance" I think b/c it gives another buffer to prevent pipeline stall
[18:27] <kgunn> some gamers use it
[18:27] <kgunn> CheeseBurg: yes, there has been outside interest
[18:27] <CheeseBurg> kgunn: Can you say who or is that NDA?
[18:28] <kgunn> there have been some chip partners as well as some companies that do vm's
[18:28] <kgunn> CheeseBurg: yeah, i can't get too specific
[18:29] <CheeseBurg> Understandable
[18:29] <kgunn> i'll say there's been one project that actually did their own shell on mir...totally custom
[18:29] <mhall119> XBMC?
[18:30] <CheeseBurg> I wish these projects would talk about it. I am interested in Mir usage outside of Ubuntu
[18:30] <kgunn> i know it is frustrating at times
[18:31] <kgunn> avoine: @hard to tell it's a swipe...you can always file a bug and we can bring that up with design
[18:31] <kgunn> it doesn't mean they'll change it for sure, but always up for discussion from user feedback
[18:32] <avoine> kgunn: yeah, I'll
[18:34] <avoine> kgunn: that bring me an other question, where should I fill this "general" bugs that are not app specific, unity8?
[18:35] <kgunn> avoine: yes, if it's really something about the shell....then unity8 is the place
[18:35] <avoine> ok
[18:35] <kgunn> anything shell is launcher, indicators/panel, dash, notifications
[18:35] <kgunn> that sort of thing
[18:35] <ali1234> i am somewhat interested in using Mir in Xfce
[18:35] <ali1234> or Xfce in Mir
[18:36] <ali1234> but only because i looked at Wayland and said "nope"
[18:36] <kgunn> avoine: and don't worry about logging against the wrong project too much...bugs usually find their way
[18:37] <kgunn> ali1234: does xfce have it's own toolkit or use gtk ?
[18:37] <ali1234> kgunn: it uses gtk
[18:37] <ali1234> kgunn: but more importantly it uses libwnck
[18:37] <ali1234> and doesn't agree with CSD and the "compositor does everything" model
[18:38] <Trevinho> ali1234: I maintain libwnck, and I think it won't be moved to anything different from X any time soon
[18:38] <ali1234> Trevinho: that's fine as long as something replaces it
[18:39] <Trevinho> ali1234: it can be replaced in some terms, but also Xfce will need to provide its own compositor also in a mir world
[18:39] <ali1234> Trevinho: again, that is fine, as long as we don't have to invent custom APIs for everything
[18:39] <Trevinho> (or a compositor based on something that is shared by others, if you prefer)
[18:40] <Trevinho> well, mir has not a protocol by itself
[18:44] <ali1234> so what would be the place to start?
[18:44] <ali1234> the problems listed by the cairo-dock developer are pretty much identical to the ones i have identified
[18:45] <ali1234> running cairo-dock inside xfce is something xfce users would expect to be able to do
[18:46] <ali1234> but under the current model we'd both have to write our own (incompatible) compositors
[18:47] <kgunn> ali1234: for the gtk aspect this is a nice link describing the current state
[18:47] <kgunn> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/ubuntu-devs-demo-gtk-apps-running-mir-unity-8
[18:47] <kgunn> ali1234: have you used mir ? or played with the example apps/example shell ?
[18:48] <ali1234> no
[18:48] <ali1234> it won't run on my graphics card
[18:51] <kgunn> ali1234: ah...proprietary drivers
[18:51] <kgunn> feel free to visit #ubuntu-mir
[18:53] <ali1234> i've used it on a phone actually... i ported the first ever ubuntu touch release to samsung galaxy