=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/platform-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-platform-1.html === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Track: Ubuntu Development | When should we stop making 32 bit images? | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22353/when-should-we-stop-making-32-bit-images/ [13:58] infinity: https://plus.google.com/events/cphiehom1ihmqbns4lg8gj1r92c [13:58] apw: ^ [13:59] let's try that again: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbzWsy8s-gssRKFksr9j920IwN1x90T15st-BUItGh1Pov6Q?authuser=0&hl=en [13:59] gQuigs, not sure that is the right link at all [13:59] gQuigs: Err, is that the on-air URL? I see no way to actually join the hangout. [13:59] Oh, second one is better. [14:01] Did you guys need a hand getting the hangout set up> [14:01] ? [14:02] willcooke: Looks like we've got it going. [14:02] great [14:02] willcooke: gQuigs Just needs to smack the on air button. [14:02] et voila :) [14:07] yo. where is the video link? [14:08] arges: i was looking at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22353/when-should-we-stop-making-32-bit-images/ [14:08] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTGVjwkgN_I [14:09] henrix: you see video on summit right now? [14:09] cyphermox: i can see it in the link arges just posted [14:09] right [14:09] cyphermox: but not on the one i posted [14:09] the google plus events link works to watch, but something isn't sufficiently configured so that video shows up on summit.ubuntu.com [14:09] yup [14:10] arges: thanks, btw ;) [14:10] np [14:12] I pushed the proper link to the page, a refresh should show the stream now [14:12] balloons: yay it works now [14:20] installing the 64-bit kernel is only really hard because we don't build it for i386 and rely on multiarch [14:20] cjwatson: yeah, that was covered. [14:20] (but that still doesn't mean impossible, just fiddlier) [14:20] cool, I was a bit late [14:21] ... and I make that about a minute lag [14:21] I think that Debian would prefer to be relying on multiarch rather than having an -amd64 flavour on i386, FWIW [14:22] it means more downloading on apt-get update for any i386 users [14:23] cjwatson: Did you want to hop in on the fishbowl? [14:23] guess I can [14:23] cjwatson: Though, I tihnk we're close to done. [14:24] did you already talk about the 32-bit UEFI issue? [14:42] thanks! [14:42] good job [14:46] apw: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1411-drop-x86-32 .. haven't moved stuff yet === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/platform-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-platform-1.html [15:10] no video guys? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Track: Ubuntu Development | 15.04 release planning | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22386/1504-release-planning/ [15:53] * stgraber waves [15:55] hola [15:55] hai [15:55] do I just paste the URL of the hangout or something? [15:55] I gave it to summit already ... [15:56] well: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYd1Z43GhaMVvkkEPrYg-Fsa_2hztiGM9XS7YjnqZzE0eqdyGQ?authuser=0&hl=en-GB ? [15:59] Oh, the URL's here. [16:00] I'm needed in a different session; may hop in at some point. [16:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule [16:11] I can't unmute [16:11] for some reason [16:11] we're on the stable GNOME [16:11] don't know [16:11] Gnome 3.15 beta is expected 2/18 [16:11] (3.15.90) [16:12] 3.16.0 stable expected 3/25 [16:12] https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointFifteen [16:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseTaskSignup "15.04 Alpha 2 QA contact: flavor contacts"; "15.04 Beta 1 QA contact: flavour contacts" [16:16] yes you can see this page was prepared by a Canadian [16:19] You should really write your release notes today based on the current plan and adjust it as you go along. Makes it easier to see the goal. [16:20] slangasek: Ahh, it's obvious that someone else did the first two and I did the second. :P [16:20] s/second/third/ [16:23] something very weird is happening to my hangout [16:23] or maybe I'm in a time loop [16:24] I think the world would explode if I reset probably [16:24] s/reset/refreshed/ [16:24] yeah, that seems probable [16:25] I'm getting the current audio interleaved with audio from 2 minutes previous [16:25] wait [16:26] some youtube video started playing [16:26] fixed :) [16:26] was about to suggest that :) [16:26] but I hadn't touched the browser at all [16:26] ho hum [16:26] it's very nice to have a later import freeze [16:26] yeah, the summit page auto-reloads somehow, had that happen to me in the past [16:40] infinity: I thought that's because the new release process is the one that has to be followed hung over [16:40] Bingo. [16:40] Though, often drunk, not hung over. [16:41] USB breathalysers [16:42] there's a pam module for that [16:43] yes, possibly trimming the last few would be a good idea :) [16:43] I don't even know how you post it to youtube, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [16:43] Laney: win [16:43] Too late. ;) [16:43] Posting to youtube now. [16:43] I just pressed "stop" [16:43] I need a breathalyser on my phone to prevent drunk texting. [16:43] Assume there's a post-upload editing facility [16:43] Laney: I believe you can trim ends, don't know about actual editing. [16:44] "Vote for your favourite moments!" [16:44] hahaha [16:44] * Laney does this [16:44] "We can effectively revert things with copies if we cross our fingers." [16:44] now we need to edit the IRC log too... :) [16:45] EDIT ALL THE THINGS. [16:45] ah [16:45] I had to "hang up" a second time [16:46] revert 'stuff' I got the quote wrong [16:49] Don't worry the video is unlisted. [16:50] (Yeah, I checked) [16:50] I found the editor [16:54] BAH. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/platform-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-platform-1.html === henrix_ is now known as henrix === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Track: Ubuntu Development | Unity8 & Mir casual catch up | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22397/unity8-mir-casual-catch-up/ [18:01] video working? [18:01] working now,yes [18:01] \o/ [18:03] Can the slides link be placed here [18:03] I'll get a link [18:10] indeed new indicators are really great [18:10] QUESTION: Have the mor team looked into moving to libinput? [18:10] mir [18:11] QUESTION: What work needs to be done to support traditional desktop style stacked windows? How about traditional desktop, will it have a root window? [18:12] it is not clear that is it a swipe button tough [18:12] mhall119: Was about to ask something like that lol [18:13] CheeseBurg: I was initially going to ask mrbrownstone3g's questions, so now you steal one of his [18:17] * mhall119 spies libinput :) [18:17] mrbrownstone3g, does that answer your question? [18:18] willcooke: the broadcast video hasn't reached that point yet, we have a minute or two lag [18:18] ah yes [18:18] but I think it did, yes [18:20] willcooke: did you say when rootless X windows will be supported in Unity Next ISO? [18:20] Yea he is just finishing the slides [18:20] QUESTION: When/how will we be able to record video directly from Mir? How about a Mir gstreamer source? [18:22] * mhall119 knows about mircast, but it stores frames as individual image files, IIRC [18:22] mirscreencast or whatever it's called [18:22] QUESTION: What is the estimated time for Unity 8 to be able to do traditional desktop stuff? Not interested in when it becomes default, just working. [18:24] HOWTO: Create videos from mirscreencast: http://www.whizzy.org/2014/08/recording-screencasts-from-the-unity-8-desktop-preview/ [18:25] Ok so 15.04ish then? [18:25] ish :) [18:25] link to unity8/mir session https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1h-5cMRK3xsy9ayb4-74L0R2zld-CC5xcqO8bJQAVlvo/edit?usp=sharing [18:25] kgunn: Thanks for the slides [18:25] QUESTION: Any thoughts on running my desktop with XMir and mir again? [18:26] QUESTION: Has there been interest in Mir outside from Ubuntu [18:26] oh snap it ended already lol [18:26] hehe, and the broadcast ends [18:26] balloons: some people still do appearently, some folks tell of "improved performance" I think b/c it gives another buffer to prevent pipeline stall [18:27] some gamers use it [18:27] CheeseBurg: yes, there has been outside interest [18:27] kgunn: Can you say who or is that NDA? [18:28] there have been some chip partners as well as some companies that do vm's [18:28] CheeseBurg: yeah, i can't get too specific [18:29] Understandable [18:29] i'll say there's been one project that actually did their own shell on mir...totally custom [18:29] XBMC? [18:30] I wish these projects would talk about it. I am interested in Mir usage outside of Ubuntu [18:30] i know it is frustrating at times [18:31] avoine: @hard to tell it's a swipe...you can always file a bug and we can bring that up with design [18:31] it doesn't mean they'll change it for sure, but always up for discussion from user feedback [18:32] kgunn: yeah, I'll [18:34] kgunn: that bring me an other question, where should I fill this "general" bugs that are not app specific, unity8? [18:35] avoine: yes, if it's really something about the shell....then unity8 is the place [18:35] ok [18:35] anything shell is launcher, indicators/panel, dash, notifications [18:35] that sort of thing [18:35] i am somewhat interested in using Mir in Xfce [18:35] or Xfce in Mir [18:36] but only because i looked at Wayland and said "nope" [18:36] avoine: and don't worry about logging against the wrong project too much...bugs usually find their way [18:37] ali1234: does xfce have it's own toolkit or use gtk ? [18:37] kgunn: it uses gtk [18:37] kgunn: but more importantly it uses libwnck [18:37] and doesn't agree with CSD and the "compositor does everything" model [18:38] ali1234: I maintain libwnck, and I think it won't be moved to anything different from X any time soon [18:38] Trevinho: that's fine as long as something replaces it [18:39] ali1234: it can be replaced in some terms, but also Xfce will need to provide its own compositor also in a mir world [18:39] Trevinho: again, that is fine, as long as we don't have to invent custom APIs for everything [18:39] (or a compositor based on something that is shared by others, if you prefer) [18:40] well, mir has not a protocol by itself [18:44] so what would be the place to start? [18:44] the problems listed by the cairo-dock developer are pretty much identical to the ones i have identified [18:45] running cairo-dock inside xfce is something xfce users would expect to be able to do [18:46] but under the current model we'd both have to write our own (incompatible) compositors [18:47] ali1234: for the gtk aspect this is a nice link describing the current state [18:47] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/ubuntu-devs-demo-gtk-apps-running-mir-unity-8 [18:47] ali1234: have you used mir ? or played with the example apps/example shell ? [18:48] no [18:48] it won't run on my graphics card [18:51] ali1234: ah...proprietary drivers [18:51] feel free to visit #ubuntu-mir [18:53] i've used it on a phone actually... i ported the first ever ubuntu touch release to samsung galaxy === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-platform-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/platform-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-platform-1.html