=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-users-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/users-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-users-1.html === nik90_ is now known as nik90 === dkessel_ is now known as dkessel === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-users-1 to: Track: Users | HOWTO to use your skills and experience to find a job? | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22335/howto-to-use-your-skills-and-experience-to-find-a-job/ [13:53] Hi everyone [13:53] Link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcomfok7w8H_g--Uk240Grx2WUsMd9bZkQyobjfMkI6aa9hOg [13:53] 7 mins to go :) [13:55] amjjawad, excellent glad you are all setup [13:55] balloons: ready as usual :D [13:55] but if I will sleep in the middle, don't blame me :P [13:56] amjjawad, good evening to you :-) Though I suppose I can say morning now [13:56] indeed :D [13:56] good morning to you too :D [13:57] hehe.. a good yesterday I hope [13:57] I am on 14th now :D [13:57] you're still on 13th [13:57] what a crazy world :P [13:57] I hope the 13th is a good day [13:57] yep [13:58] yea, the world is a bit fun [13:58] thanks to the internet [13:58] just in case, I ate some cake and drank a trukish strong coffee [13:58] let's hope I won't fall alseep :P [13:59] ok, so the sugar high needs to last longer than the session [13:59] hahah [13:59] let's see how long that will last [13:59] Okay, here is the link again: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcomfok7w8H_g--Uk240Grx2WUsMd9bZkQyobjfMkI6aa9hOg [14:00] 1 min to go [14:01] Okay, I shall start [14:01] balloons: do you need an invite? or you will not attend? [14:01] amjjawad, are you alone? [14:01] link is here in case: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcomfok7w8H_g--Uk240Grx2WUsMd9bZkQyobjfMkI6aa9hOg [14:01] well, so far alone :( [14:02] I guess I shall start and if anyone wishes to join, he/she is more than welcome [14:04] am I online? [14:04] I started the session [14:04] * balloons install is borked I can't see any video [14:04] amjjawad, you look live [14:05] balloons: thanks [14:05] laptop says yes [14:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Community [14:38] hey all [14:39] hey akiva-thinkpad [14:40] QUESTION: Did you speak of getting letters of recommendation from the opensource community? [14:42] QUESTION: What is the best way to list your open source experiences [14:43] QUESTION: Have you had a patch accepted by the Linux kernel? Greg Hartman has said that this sort of thing really impresses employers. [14:44] QUESTION: related to above, have you received positive feedback from employers in the past? [14:45] if you have ever developed for the linux kernel, [14:45] say maintaining white space [14:46] submitting a patch to the kernel, and having it accepted is a big bullet point. [14:48] that is a great tip [14:49] QUESTION: What programming languages are best to learn for job searching? [14:53] what ide do you use? [14:53] QUESTION ^ [14:53] QUESTION Do employers value knowing VIM or Emacs? [14:54] akiva-thinkpad: I can' [14:54] Integrated development environment [14:55] akiva-thinkpad: I can't imagine any programmer *that you'd want to work for* would care about the detail of what editor you use. [14:55] Sorry. Any employer [14:55] mmmmmm [14:55] hangout URL for adobe flash session : https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcMbP96vJJHYk2mKpo0N8I9lpPe_HRoHFhiESdtKnJyWgXTmQ?authuser=0&hl=en === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-users-1 to: Track: Users | Adobe Flash on Firefox/Linux EOL | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22354/adobe-flash-on-firefoxlinux-eol/ [14:55] QUESTION Whats your fav colour? [14:56] akiva-thinkpad: that is off-topic Q ;) [14:56] nonsense! [14:57] please join for flash session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcMbP96vJJHYk2mKpo0N8I9lpPe_HRoHFhiESdtKnJyWgXTmQ?authuser=0&hl=en [14:58] \o [15:01] please join for flash session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcMbP96vJJHYk2mKpo0N8I9lpPe_HRoHFhiESdtKnJyWgXTmQ?authuser=0&hl=en [15:03] who says google will still be maintaining PPAPI Flash in 2017? [15:06] oxide is based on the chromium engine [15:06] balloons: I did a very bad session :( [15:07] balloons: feel so bad :( [15:07] mdeslaur: nobody, true :) [15:09] I'm not sure google will license the PPAPI flash to use on the Ubuntu browser :P [15:09] so there's probably no reason to think that would be a solution [15:10] amjjawad, get some sleep, no reason to doubt yourself! [15:10] https://www.youtube.com/html5 [15:11] Trevinho: You were spewing noise. [15:11] Static-y. [15:11] qengho: yeah, sorry it happened when switching bt profile :/ [15:11] balloons: will do ... I will do my best to get read for tomorrow [15:11] ready* [15:12] also, nobody cares about java any more either [15:13] Trevinho: Unmute yourself when you lile. [15:13] even if we did switch browsers, we couldn't do it because of flash anyway [15:14] because the ppapi flash only comes from google inside chrome [15:16] sorry, out of battery -_- [15:35] -1 making it click to play. I think Chad is right, if it's there - it should "just work". Regardless of how Flash is perceived by us, it seems like a but punitive on our users. [15:35] by all accounts Flash will go away soon anway [15:35] *anyway [15:35] yahoo email uses flash, no flash no email [15:36] really, freshplayerplugin is the only way to get newest flash working on firefox... [15:36] it's already way better than using old flash 11 here... [15:37] having a simple way to instal it and download the ppapi plugin is the only way to keep flash working for people who still need it [15:38] which we should have real soon now with Chad's packaging of the plugins from Adobe [15:39] cool [15:39] :) [15:39] start packaging inside ubuntu, that project would also help a lot [15:39] yeah [15:41] thanks everyone! [15:41] thanks guys === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-users-1 to: Track: Users | Desktop Team Q&A | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22329/desktop-team-qa/ [16:00] What's the URL for the upcoming video session? [16:00] willcooke: Do you know? [16:01] http://youtu.be/50yxJ8he1Yg [16:01] Er, to join the session, that is. [16:03] qengho, ahh; https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfTzTpqo6LMi-SfSWU2qGKqhJB8P7S6lS2UJ-cV-TBuDYZUnQ?authuser=0&hl=en [16:05] QUESTION: Which version of Pidgin will be used in Ubuntu 15.04? [16:05] Microsoft Lync are used in many Enterprise companies and the lack of Lync desktop sharing on Ubuntu are stopping many of our users from switching over to Ubuntu. [16:05] Tieto and "one of the world's biggest telecom companies" are working on Lync desktop sharing for Pidgin 3.0. [16:07] QUESTION: on the phone, apps have to use services to do background tasks such as download URLs *because* the apps get aggressively suspended. If on the Unity 8 desktop apps do *not* get suspended, surely people won't use the services and so a Unity 8 desktop app won't run on the phone? [16:07] feel free to ask questions as per above; just prefix with QUESTION. I'll be watching and we'll start answering them soon after the intro [16:09] So late, what have I missed with the slides [16:09] CheeseBurg, feel free to ask questions and / or watch the slides later [16:09] ok [16:09] we covered the desktop direction and gave an overview [16:11] or211: new pidgin would also let us drop gstreamer0.10.. but that's all dependent on when pidgin releases I think [16:11] willcooke, put the slides somewhere and stick a link in the etherpad? [16:11] aquarius, nice question ;-) [16:12] QUESTION: Will Unity 8 desktop use GTK plumbing (file manager, settings, etc.) or will Unity re-implement these things in QT? [16:12] or211, gQuigs it would mean a switch back for default messaging client if you feel it needs to be the default. That has various integration requirements, but pidgin once was the default so :-) [16:13] balloons: we still depend on libpurple for empathy so it's still partly on the CD [16:13] would empathy gain support as well then/ [16:13] balloons: I'd guess so [16:15] QUESTION: any push to standardize the new "accessing a user file" security so that we can have better apparmor profiles for libreoffice/firefox/etc [16:15] qQuigs: Lync desktop sharing should also work on Empathy with some minor work if they use the latest versions of the libs [16:15] to anyone just joining, watching, please feel free to ask questions as per above; just prefix with QUESTION. We'll get to them in the order they are asked [16:16] QUESTION: What improvements will the desktop get with Unity 8? Like better HUD intergration or notifications. [16:16] d-bus is a freedesktop technology, technically :) [16:16] :-) [16:17] QUESTION: perhaps I missed a stated thing, here, but... apps can't access D-Bus. Are "Unity 8 desktop apps" not going to be confined? [16:18] aquarius: The confinement used on the phone isn't quite as strict as that; D-Bus is filtered [16:19] cjwatson, really? blimey. I thought I was flat out banned from talking to d-bus except for half a dozen provided services. I am out of date then :) [16:19] Well, I don't know the details of that "except" [16:20] But the fact that there are already exceptions means that it's a matter of policy, not technology :-) [16:20] At any rate, this is up to the AppArmor policy [16:21] I guess I was looking for specific features like how Gnome 3 talks about new features. [16:22] CheeseBurg, better security (in various ways as described), easier and faster updates, and a dash designed from the groundup with more usable scopes and lens [16:22] QUESTION: What is the Unity 8 desktop shell plan for feature/workflow parity with Unity 7? e.g. keyboard shortcuts, window management, notifications, virtual desktops, etc. [16:22] QUESTION: Are any programs like VNC, NX, X2Go planned for Unity 8 [16:22] CheeseBurg: ah, also no more HUD (at least it has been dropped from phone) :/ [16:23] willcooke: I'm going to have to step over to the release planning session now; I'll stick around in the IRC channel here if needed, just highlight me [16:23] No HUD? {sad face} [16:24] QUESTION: you skipped the system update bullet point is it because they will be big changes there? [16:24] Thanks balloons and Trevinho, I guess I am really just waiting for the desktop design discussion. [16:25] cheers cjwatson [16:25] QUESTION: Will Unity 8 update with new Ubuntu release or will they be disconnected? [16:26] ooh good question CheeseBurg :) [16:27] QUESTION: if you do the new update system, does that mean you have to reboot a lot more? [16:27] If anyone want to test Lync desktop sharing in Pidgin 3.0 you can use this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~sipe-collab/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [16:29] oh, nice :) [16:30] QUESTION: Will users be able to manually switch between desktop, tablet, phone UIs by 16.04 on the same device? [16:31] QUESTION: Fedora is making it mandatory for apps in their software center to have app data and screenshots. Will Ubuntu's store do something similar with the click format? [16:32] that could be useful for testing.. Phone UI on desktop [16:36] gQuigs, that is something we do via per application support. IE, launch with a flag to bypass the check [16:37] QUESTION: Will windows do Client side decorations, server side, or DWD that the KDE guys are working on? [16:40] any other questions guys? Get them in now, just prefix with QUESTION [16:42] slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tadNW3TYetwzMU02KC9j6Tsmaco_HYxNbCocddG7kJU/edit?usp=sharing [16:43] QUESTION: Looks like a lot of work still remains. How can the community contribute today? [16:44] QUESTION: Will Xmir be important to unity8's launch or will it come later? [16:44] aikchar: testing mostly, and of course contributions [16:45] this is the session from yesterdayL http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22361/testing-unity-8-desktop [16:45] Thanks to all contributors to Unity 8! [16:46] OK thanks guys === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-users-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/users-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-users-1.html === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-users-1 to: Track: Users | Ubuntu Community Q&A | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22388/ubuntu-community-qa/ [18:55] dpm: and anyone else who wants to join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYf3EBu_n-7eBHG-Z0o75vDay_KCXZOY1u7sN2jlcPCv5md5jw?authuser=0&hl=en [18:56] \o/ [18:57] Hello all [18:59] hi marcus15 [18:59] hi all o/ [19:00] hey hey hey [19:00] o/ [19:00] bring your questions! [19:00] if you have questions for us, ask them here starting with QUESTION: [19:00] please prefix them with QUESTION: [19:00] hey all [19:01] is there a hangout? [19:01] akiva-thinkpad, yes - is it not online yet? [19:01] it should start streaming any time now [19:01] is tru the informaton ubuntu touch fetures may be integrated to ubuntu 16.04? [19:01] its online now [19:02] marcus15: don't forget to start it with QUESTION [19:02] oh thx [19:02] QUESTION: Is DPM hearing voices? [19:02] sory [19:02] akiva-thinkpad: it's jono's voice, saying "flesh it out your work items" [19:03] ha ha [19:03] we all have it, it's PTSD [19:03] c++ does that to you [19:03] QUESTION: What new plans from UOS have developed so far? [19:05] akiva-thinkpad: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22400/uos-1411-community-uos-feedback/ [19:06] QUESTION: Beyond the core apps; what areas need contribution? [19:06] thx for answer [19:06] QUESTION: What are Ubuntu Locos? [19:07] QUESTION: What are some things that Ubuntu Touch will have that Android does not have? [19:08] QUESTION: What happened to the old ubuntu font? Why was it axed? [19:09] QUESTION: Are any of you programming in Go at Canonical? What has your experience been like so far? [19:10] QUESTION: Ubuntu touch mobile is arrive but what about tablets? Fro example some tramsformer tab or something in the future? [19:11] QUESTION: Does working on the translation team need any technical knowledge? Or am I just given a list of words that need to be translated? [19:12] QUESTION: Oh; and does Ubuntu need help with Translations from the community? [19:12] yes! [19:12] QUESTION: What the heck is this SystemD thing I keep hearing about? How does it effect ubuntu? [19:13] Question: Can you explain what Ubuntu touch channels people should be on? I see a lot of work on RTM but nothing on the Utopic channel. [19:13] http;//loco.ubuntu.com/ [19:14] mhall119, ; ? [19:14] akiva-thinkpad: yes we need community translators [19:15] QUESTION: What is this JuJu stuff I keep hearing about? What is a practical application of Juju for a regular ol desktop user? [19:16] \o/ Terminal! [19:20] akiva-thinkpad, you're on fire! :) [19:20] http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120509165319/logopedia/images/4/44/Ubuntu_logo_old.png ← [19:20] ? [19:20] dholbach, I am a warrior against awkward silences [19:20] haha [19:20] yah [19:20] * dholbach hugs akiva-thinkpad [19:20] lol [19:21] if you want, I can talk about my last holidays :-P [19:21] the OLD ubuntu font [19:21] it was a font [19:21] akiva-thinkpad, http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120509165319/logopedia/images/4/44/Ubuntu_logo_old.png ← this one? [19:21] I remember having it [19:22] any more questions from anyone? [19:22] QUESTION: Is there a chinese branch of Canonical? [19:23] akiva-thinkpad: Ubuntu Font: See the ttf-ubuntu-font-family package, included with all the -desktop metapackages. [19:24] QUESTION: Any idea whether the phones will be able to work on a large range of providers? [19:24] Old ubuntu fonts: See the fonts-ubuntu-title package [19:25] * mhall119 hugs akiva-thinkpad for all the questions [19:25] lol [19:25] I only chose Linux years ago to get rid of that Windows XP. I always hated the console. So how did you manage to get my computer even faster than it was before I upgraded from the 13 to the 14.10 version? [19:26] halfmast, we'll come to your question, but in the meantime, this might help you: http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ [19:27] pid 1 anyone [19:28] QUESTION: Any idea whether F2FS or BTRFS will look to move as the default filesystem, particularly on the ubuntu touch phones? [19:30] QUESTION: I heard there is an x86 tablet in the works with ubuntu touch; any news on that? [19:30] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/Release shows Vivid. [19:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/ [19:33] QUESTION: from Witti I only chose Linux years ago to get rid of that Windows XP. I always hated the console. So how did you manage to get my computer even faster than it was before I upgraded from the 13 to the 14.10 version? [19:34] QUESTION: Has MIR some extra system req. or is the same like xorg? What about old xorg programs full support or only some evulation?? [19:34] Witti, just append "QUESTION" before your questions so they know [19:35] chinese employees [19:35] of canonical [19:36] I thought Mark Shuttleworth said in his keynote they were going to open branches in China, but haven't yet. [19:36] linuxtech, yah heard something along those lines as well [19:38] well, the phones should work, it's just a matter of getting fast internet [19:38] it's not about hte providers, every provider should work [19:38] the phones are open, so if you can pop in a sim, it will work [19:38] but, in some cases you will not get 4g [19:39] Question: I like seeing the new redesign for the apps. Is there anywhere I can see the updated designs? [19:39] you'll be stuck with 2g or 3g [19:39] Soo late to this [19:39] also o/ all :) [19:39] t-mobile works with their 4g thingie on my N4 [19:40] thanks rick [19:40] What about tablets? Will tjey arrive this century? [19:40] jdstrand, yeah, because Nexus 4 has compatible radio hardware firmware [19:40] QUESTION: What happened to the videos/blog post from the design team. I am more interested in the design decistions for Unity 8 on both desktop and mobile [19:40] and its apps [19:41] Haha, thank you very much for your answers! [19:41] rickspencer3: ah right, you need both bits. the software works fine, but gotta have the hardware :) [19:41] jdstrand, yeah, sometimes you have the hardware, but not the firmware :( [19:41] QUESTION: How does Ubuntu Touch plan to compete with the Open Moko? What unique features does Ubuntu Touch offer? [19:42] Still hanging on a desktop computer, and still amazed :) [19:42] akiva-thinkpad: Is open moko still a thing? [19:42] you skipped a few DPM QUESTION: Any idea whether F2FS or BTRFS will look to move as the default filesystem, particularly on the ubuntu touch phones? && QUESTION: I heard there is an x86 tablet in the works with ubuntu touch; any news on that? [19:43] CheeseBurg, yah; I think they make a wikipedia app [19:43] hear you rick [19:43] hi [19:43] yes rick! [19:43] xxx600, hey [19:45] we won't use btrfs in the short term [19:46] jdstrand, I find btrfs to be pretty slow; its not a performance filesystem per say, but a feature filesystem [19:47] QUESTION: Has there been any work to incorporate KDE 5 libs into the SDK [19:47] interesting question. [19:47] well, it isn't really ready yet for the general case, as you guys mentioned in the hangout [19:48] QUESTION: What happened to the videos/blog post from the design team. I am more interested in the design decistions for Unity 8 on both desktop and mobile [19:48] (in terms of performance-- I'm not sure about all the other features) [19:48] Question: I like seeing the new redesign for the apps. Is there anywhere I can see the updated designs? [19:48] thx for all bye [19:48] akiva-thinkpad: Thx but they already answered it [19:48] we would also need to do some apparmor work to make sure that application isolation works well with btrfs [19:48] jdstrand, in a tech talk; they say performance is important, but it is a secondary priority. So I shouldnt say it is slow [19:48] oh [19:48] CheeseBurg, :P [19:49] Don't worry about it ;) [19:50] QUESTION: What Programming Languages does the Ubuntu SDK support? Does it support python. [19:50] lol [19:50] a lot has happened with btrfs. our kernel team looks at it, tuns it and tests it regularly. it has its uses, it might be the right choice for a default some time [19:50] QUESTION: Any updates on the Ubuntu Click Store? Like the ability to pay for apps, donations, and/or subscriptions? [19:50] s/tuns/runs/ [19:52] QUESTION: Will we see books or magazines be sold in the Click store? [19:52] QUESTION: Can I launch ubuntu touch apps from the ubuntu-terminal-app? [19:53] (All within the ubuntu phone) [19:53] QUESTION: Do you plan on eventually completely getting rid of Debian Packaging and having it all replaced by click packages? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-users-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/users-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-users-1.html [19:56] yes, you can launch from the terminal [19:56] start application APP_ID=... [19:57] the easiest way to see the different APP_IDs is to run 'sudo aa-status' [19:57] brilliant [19:57] thanks a lot for all the questions! [19:57] and have a great rest of your day! [19:58] thanks great session [19:58] ha ha [19:58] thanks guys [19:59] great job community team, you guyses are awesome [19:59] * dholbach hugs rickspencer3 [19:59] thanks rickspencer3 :) [19:59] \m/ [19:59] see you! :)