directhexdirecthex@desire:/tmp$ vbnc hello.vb00:00
directhexVisual Basic.Net Compiler version (Mono 3.8 - tarball)00:00
directhexdirecthex@desire:/tmp$ mono hello.exe00:00
directhexHello World using Visual Basic!00:00
ali1234C++/CLI doesn't look very much like C to me00:02
diddledanrelated to the announcement of opensource .net: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2014/11/12/opening-up-visual-studio-and-net-to-every-developer-any-application-net-server-core-open-source-and-cross-platform-visual-studio-community-2013-and-preview-of-visual-studio-2015-and-net-2015.aspx00:06
diddledanspecifically the "community" edition of visual studio00:06
diddledanit's unclear what they mean by "non-enterprise" tho00:07
directhexq&a on http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs00:08
shauno>5 seats iirc00:08
shaunothere's a revenue cap as well, I believe00:09
directhexIn enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or > $1MM in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.00:09
directhex$1M is not much revenue for an "enterprise"00:09
popeythe migration tool in android L is rather swish00:10
popey(assuming your device has nfc)00:10
directhexi don't expect to get L for a few months00:10
ali1234migration from your old phone?00:10
popeypart way through the setup wizard it offers it00:11
diddledanwatching a video on their blog - microsoft are really pushing the "mobile first cloud first" message in every communication since satya nedalla took over00:11
popeyyou put your old / new devices back to back and thats mostly it00:11
directhexdiddledan, you don't agree?00:11
popeyit exchanges a few lists over bluetooth, you unlock the old device and type passwords into new device and it gives you a list of the apps to bring over00:11
popeyyou untick the ones you dont want, and leave it to work00:12
popeynicely done00:12
mapwas trying to install that go on ubuntu and i cant get anythong to run :(00:12
diddledandirecthex, I just find it interesting that they're managing to be extremely consistent in everything00:12
ali1234the cloudmobile is really the only option these days if you want to make money00:12
shaunowhen they promised us flying cars, this cloudmobile isn't what I pictured00:13
penguin42shauno: Nice!00:13
ali1234convergence: http://motorinfo.org/images/vw-beetle-13.jpg00:15
shaunodiddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMNSvHswljM01:17
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markpdaftykins,  awake?:D05:00
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DJonesMorning all09:26
* zmoylan-pi listens to rain and wind outside09:27
foobarryany suggestions what tool to use for examining problems with my css?09:27
foobarrymight be table related too, or other..09:28
diplofoobarry, what sort of issues, I'm not a guru but I do css most days09:29
diploHTML Validator plugin for Firefox has helped when I can't find stuff myself sometimes09:29
foobarryi'm half way through hacking this http://bit.ly/14gQ1Nk into http://bit.ly/1yBJC8r09:30
foobarrybut retaining the original look and feel but gaining the nice dropdown menu09:31
foobarrywondering if there's a tool to make it easier than grinding through the css and divs09:31
popeyMorning all.09:36
diploOK, taking a look now09:37
diploSee you went with bootstrap :)09:37
diplomorning popey09:37
diploSo people have created templates for stuff like this09:38
diploBut a lot of it would be div / css grinding unfortunatelty09:38
diploCan use something like that09:39
foobarrymy vim isn't even helping me to match my divs etc09:40
diploSFTP and Sublime or Geany or something, I'm a VIM person as well, but I find simple WebIDE's make things that bit easier09:44
foobarryok cheers09:44
diploI'll take a look through your html in a bit, just got a few people harassing me on the othe rmachine :)09:45
diploSuppose I really ought to work09:45
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy World Kindness Day! :-D09:46
diploOK, first issue is why is it all inside a table ?09:46
diplothe navs etc09:47
foobarrydiplo: don't worry, its ugly hack atm09:50
foobarryjust wondering if there were tools09:50
diploWell it'll affect your other code09:50
foobarrythink i will start again, but more methodically09:51
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:51
diploTables are awful unless used only where needed :)09:51
diploDefo, basically before adding anything in create the template09:51
foobarryi borrowed from an existing page to retain the style09:51
diploUse that link earlier as a basic template09:51
diploAnd then work your code around it09:51
foobarryi was taking a shortcut and failed miserably ;)09:52
diploI found that happens a lot with html/css09:52
foobarryi'll do it properly, thanks :D09:53
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:55
popeystupid car alarm going off09:59
diplofoobarry, if you want a hand I can chuck up the basics at some point today of your layout09:59
foobarrydiplo: thanks for the offer ;)10:01
* davmor2 gives JamesTait some internet cake10:03
zmoylan-piinternet cake... surely a cookie would be more appropriate? :-)10:04
davmor2zmoylan-pi: it was me being kind to JamesTait for international kindness day don't ruin it :P10:05
zmoylan-pinot an evil tracking cookie of course :-)10:06
davmor2popey: oh you're that neighbour are you ;)10:07
davmor2bigcalm: thanks for the compassion with the fix my computer line, I felt the love ;)   what's up with your computer other than you using it wrong :)10:09
popeyseems so10:10
davmor2popey: we have a guy with a car alarm that goes off every night without fail at about 10:30 pm10:10
ali1234davmor2: his indicator-datetime keeps disappearing10:11
bigcalmdavmor2: yesterday the clock had gone from my notification area and the date/time settings screen was greyed out. It's working today though10:11
JamesTaitdavmor2, my second favourite kind of cake. :)10:14
davmor2bigcalm: see how I fixed it for you in my comatosed state ;) was there a crash file for it in /var/crash it sounds like it just died10:14
davmor2JamesTait: I would of given you real cake but a) you're not close enough b) I'm really not well enough to drive over to yours c) I'm thinking of the weight gain from all that cake ;)10:16
bigcalmdavmor2: nope10:16
bigcalmIt's working today, so my interest is a little low now ;)10:17
* popey has oxtail in the slow cooker. house smells *amazing*10:17
davmor2bigcalm: if it happens again run ps aux | grep datetime if you don't see /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-datetime/indicator-datetime-service try starting it :)10:18
davmor2popey: oh you making some homemade oxtail soup10:19
JamesTaitdavmor2, have you got the lurgy as well?10:23
MooDoomorning all10:29
davmor2MooDoo: morning dude10:32
MooDoodavmor2: howdy chap10:37
davmor2MooDoo: this mornings tune popcorn from the great egg race :)10:40
popeydavmor2: Rabo de Toro.10:41
davmor2popey: hmmm different10:43
popeyhad it in spain10:43
popeytrying to make exactly the same here10:43
popeyits gonna be in the slow cooker all day10:43
davmor2popey: you'll fail we don't get the same freshness of herbs or the same taste.  You'll get close though I bet :)10:44
foobarrydiplo: do u have any experience of bootstrap? my menus auto expand after deleting some columns :S12:03
foobarrymaybe its a setting somewhere12:03
diploDoes the issue show on that site ?12:05
diploIt's probably related to the active setting12:07
foobarryyeah i was looking at active12:07
foobarryafter deleting carefully some rows etc12:07
diploah you used that layouy ? Looks much better12:07
foobarrythe menus auto exp12:07
foobarrythere's some great stuff here to use12:07
diployeah I re-wrote our e-commerce admin backend all in bootstrap, made it so much easier to use12:08
diploSo you're deleting some html and then the menus stay auto expanded ?12:09
foobarrymight be due to page size or something12:10
foobarryonly deleted rows and cols12:10
foobarrystill works in this version http://bit.ly/1u56DzF12:10
diploNormally stuff like that is related to a div or something not in the correct order12:10
diploOK, I see what you mean now12:11
diploLet me take a look12:11
foobarryv kind of you12:12
foobarryah, found the section it happens in12:14
foobarrywhen i delete the bar chart line :S12:15
foobarry<div id="morris-bar-chart"></div>12:16
diploThat's just from the templated code though yeah ?12:17
foobarryas soon as i delete that line, the menus pop out12:17
diploI wonder if it's due to the style='position relative' part12:18
diploI've had some issues with that in BS recently12:18
foobarryits not just that line, i deleted other and they pop out again12:19
foobarrymaybe there's more collapse options i need12:19
diploMaybe, just looking.. I had similar issues when I first started using it and I'm just trying to remember the cause12:20
diploCould be line 70 causing it12:24
foobarrynothing sucks up a morning like css/html12:24
foobarryin index.html?12:24
diplo<ul> as a child element of a <ul>12:24
foobarryhave edited it recently, is it still line 70?12:24
foobarryi see12:24
diploThe second one needs to be encased in a <li> so <ul> <li><ul>stuff inside</ul></li></ul>12:24
foobarryhmm, didn't fix it12:27
foobarrythey do collapse when you click, ..12:27
foobarrymight get some lunch and approach with clear head12:27
foobarryactually, only my top one collapses when u click12:27
foobarry"core usage/availabilty"12:28
diploJust a fyi, you don't need to close <img> tags line 15512:28
foobarryok ta12:28
foobarryold habit12:28
diploheh same here12:29
diploI'll keep looking, just keep getting distracted by work ( May just copy code locally :P )12:29
foobarrygonna take a copy and try shipping in a working menu from other page12:29
foobarryplease don't spend too much time on it...its my job after all..i saw some stackoverflow pages that might help12:30
diploIt's more than likely the HTML isn't flowing correctly, pretty sure that was my issue12:31
diploI over complicated it when I first started out12:31
diploSo I removed everythng an did one menu at a time I think12:31
foobarryi suspect its incorrect use of menu divs12:32
foobarrylunch then fresh12:32
foobarryits a surprise for my boss so i not gonna spend much time this week on it while he's around12:33
bigcalmI did a jquery menu system some time ago, if it's of any help: http://idophp.co.uk/projects/simple_jquery_menu/12:35
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foobarryif my extension comes in within budget, wife says i can get a man cave13:08
foobarrywooden chalet thing in garden13:08
penguin42ah, you mean a shed13:12
foobarryno, i have a shed13:12
penguin42wood, in garden, sounds like a shed13:12
* foobarry finds a pic13:13
Myrttitesco sells Finnish ones :-P13:14
penguin42posh shed13:14
Myrttior sold, don't know if they have them anymore13:14
foobarryshed is to store clutter13:14
foobarryman cave is a place to be and to do13:14
foobarrydiplo: my problem is resolved if i delete the menu and import the one i previously created (not part of the template)13:34
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foobarrythe problem manifests depending on whether i use ul class="panel-collapse collapse" or ul class="nav nav-second-level"13:56
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ali1234popey: i wanted to do a UOS session for xubuntu but we couldn't come up with anything to talk about... maybe next time20:27
ali1234still, the mate session seems to have been productive for us, so that's cool20:27
AzelphurI may have to revoke my previous canonical+compiz rants o.O22:05
AzelphurI just did an update, and compiz randomly started itself, and everything is working, all the previous issues I had appear to be gone22:05
Azelphuralthough, it also moved my xorg.conf which was rude of it.22:06
Azelphurlol, 3d windows is broken in (standard) multi monitor setups now, I imagine most people here can replicate that :)22:10
Azelphuror not...apparently the "crash and then delete all your settings" bug is still present, I was so happy for 5 minutes.22:20
daftykinsAzelphur: O_O22:32
daftykinsAzelphur: if i were you i'd have probably long ago gone to some kind of nasty two-PC setup where i just share files between two pairs of two-screen :( assuming it's only 3+ that gives you trouble22:32
Azelphurdaftykins: I dream of a day I can have proper quad monitor support :)22:33
daftykinsdoesn't seem like too much to ask does it :(22:34
Azelphurindeed :(22:35
AzelphurI noticed some new Mosaic stuff in my xorg.conf, I should try that out22:36
Azelphurmaybe it'd be more successful22:36
ali1234Azelphur: the actually announced the most recent compiz release on the FDO mailing list23:12
ali1234first time that has happened in years23:13
Azelphurali1234: if they could fix it crashing and deleting all its settings, that'd be great.23:13
Azelphurthe funny part is it doesn't even reset to default, it just turns everything off, which leaves you with a nonfunctional desktop23:13
ali1234yeah, i've seen that one happen23:13
ali1234i think it is cos it has multiple different config backends23:13
Azelphurnice to know it's not just me :)23:14
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