[00:00] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$ vbnc hello.vb
[00:00] <directhex> Visual Basic.Net Compiler version 0.0.0.5943 (Mono 3.8 - tarball)
[00:00] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$ mono hello.exe
[00:00] <directhex> Hello World using Visual Basic!
[00:02] <ali1234> C++/CLI doesn't look very much like C to me
[00:06] <diddledan> related to the announcement of opensource .net: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2014/11/12/opening-up-visual-studio-and-net-to-every-developer-any-application-net-server-core-open-source-and-cross-platform-visual-studio-community-2013-and-preview-of-visual-studio-2015-and-net-2015.aspx
[00:06] <diddledan> specifically the "community" edition of visual studio
[00:07] <diddledan> it's unclear what they mean by "non-enterprise" tho
[00:08] <directhex> q&a on http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
[00:08] <shauno> >5 seats iirc
[00:09] <shauno> there's a revenue cap as well, I believe
[00:09] <directhex> In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or > $1MM in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.
[00:09] <directhex> $1M is not much revenue for an "enterprise"
[00:09] <diddledan> interesting
[00:10] <popey> the migration tool in android L is rather swish
[00:10] <popey> (assuming your device has nfc)
[00:10] <directhex> i don't expect to get L for a few months
[00:10] <ali1234> migration from your old phone?
[00:11] <popey> yeah
[00:11] <popey> part way through the setup wizard it offers it
[00:11] <diddledan> watching a video on their blog - microsoft are really pushing the "mobile first cloud first" message in every communication since satya nedalla took over
[00:11] <popey> you put your old / new devices back to back and thats mostly it
[00:11] <directhex> diddledan, you don't agree?
[00:11] <popey> it exchanges a few lists over bluetooth, you unlock the old device and type passwords into new device and it gives you a list of the apps to bring over
[00:11] <map> hm
[00:12] <popey> you untick the ones you dont want, and leave it to work
[00:12] <popey> nicely done
[00:12] <map> was trying to install that go on ubuntu and i cant get anythong to run :(
[00:12] <diddledan> directhex, I just find it interesting that they're managing to be extremely consistent in everything
[00:12] <ali1234> the cloudmobile is really the only option these days if you want to make money
[00:13] <shauno> when they promised us flying cars, this cloudmobile isn't what I pictured
[00:13] <penguin42> shauno: Nice!
[00:15] <ali1234> convergence: http://motorinfo.org/images/vw-beetle-13.jpg
[01:17] <shauno> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMNSvHswljM
[05:00] <markp> urgh
[05:00] <markp> daftykins,  awake?:D
[09:26] <DJones> Morning all
[09:26] <Myrtti> moin
[09:27]  * zmoylan-pi listens to rain and wind outside
[09:27] <foobarry> any suggestions what tool to use for examining problems with my css?
[09:28] <foobarry> might be table related too, or other..
[09:29] <diplo> foobarry, what sort of issues, I'm not a guru but I do css most days
[09:29] <diplo> HTML Validator plugin for Firefox has helped when I can't find stuff myself sometimes
[09:30] <foobarry> i'm half way through hacking this http://bit.ly/14gQ1Nk into http://bit.ly/1yBJC8r
[09:31] <foobarry> but retaining the original look and feel but gaining the nice dropdown menu
[09:31] <foobarry> wondering if there's a tool to make it easier than grinding through the css and divs
[09:36] <popey> Morning all.
[09:37] <diplo> OK, taking a look now
[09:37] <diplo> See you went with bootstrap :)
[09:37] <diplo> morning popey
[09:38] <diplo> So people have created templates for stuff like this
[09:38] <diplo> But a lot of it would be div / css grinding unfortunatelty
[09:39] <diplo> http://startbootstrap.com/template-overviews/sb-admin-2/
[09:39] <diplo> Can use something like that
[09:40] <foobarry> my vim isn't even helping me to match my divs etc
[09:44] <diplo> SFTP and Sublime or Geany or something, I'm a VIM person as well, but I find simple WebIDE's make things that bit easier
[09:44] <foobarry> ok cheers
[09:45] <diplo> I'll take a look through your html in a bit, just got a few people harassing me on the othe rmachine :)
[09:45] <diplo> Suppose I really ought to work
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Kindness Day! :-D
[09:46] <diplo> OK, first issue is why is it all inside a table ?
[09:47] <diplo> the navs etc
[09:50] <foobarry> diplo: don't worry, its ugly hack atm
[09:50] <foobarry> just wondering if there were tools
[09:50] <diplo> Well it'll affect your other code
[09:50] <diplo> :)
[09:51] <foobarry> think i will start again, but more methodically
[09:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:51] <diplo> Tables are awful unless used only where needed :)
[09:51] <diplo> Defo, basically before adding anything in create the template
[09:51] <foobarry> i borrowed from an existing page to retain the style
[09:51] <diplo> Use that link earlier as a basic template
[09:51] <diplo> And then work your code around it
[09:52] <foobarry> i was taking a shortcut and failed miserably ;)
[09:52] <diplo> I found that happens a lot with html/css
[09:52] <diplo> :)
[09:53] <foobarry> i'll do it properly, thanks :D
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:59] <popey> stupid car alarm going off
[09:59] <popey> (mine)
[09:59] <diplo> foobarry, if you want a hand I can chuck up the basics at some point today of your layout
[10:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:01] <foobarry> diplo: thanks for the offer ;)
[10:03]  * davmor2 gives JamesTait some internet cake
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> internet cake... surely a cookie would be more appropriate? :-)
[10:05] <popey> mmmmm
[10:05] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it was me being kind to JamesTait for international kindness day don't ruin it :P
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> not an evil tracking cookie of course :-)
[10:07] <davmor2> popey: oh you're that neighbour are you ;)
[10:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: thanks for the compassion with the fix my computer line, I felt the love ;)   what's up with your computer other than you using it wrong :)
[10:10] <popey> seems so
[10:10] <davmor2> popey: we have a guy with a car alarm that goes off every night without fail at about 10:30 pm
[10:11] <ali1234> davmor2: his indicator-datetime keeps disappearing
[10:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: yesterday the clock had gone from my notification area and the date/time settings screen was greyed out. It's working today though
[10:14] <JamesTait> davmor2, my second favourite kind of cake. :)
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: see how I fixed it for you in my comatosed state ;) was there a crash file for it in /var/crash it sounds like it just died
[10:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: I would of given you real cake but a) you're not close enough b) I'm really not well enough to drive over to yours c) I'm thinking of the weight gain from all that cake ;)
[10:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: nope
[10:17] <bigcalm> It's working today, so my interest is a little low now ;)
[10:17]  * popey has oxtail in the slow cooker. house smells *amazing*
[10:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: if it happens again run ps aux | grep datetime if you don't see /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-datetime/indicator-datetime-service try starting it :)
[10:19] <davmor2> popey: oh you making some homemade oxtail soup
[10:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, have you got the lurgy as well?
[10:29] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[10:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: howdy chap
[10:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: this mornings tune popcorn from the great egg race :)
[10:41] <popey> davmor2: Rabo de Toro.
[10:43] <davmor2> popey: hmmm different
[10:43] <popey> delicious!
[10:43] <popey> had it in spain
[10:43] <popey> trying to make exactly the same here
[10:43] <popey> its gonna be in the slow cooker all day
[10:44] <davmor2> popey: you'll fail we don't get the same freshness of herbs or the same taste.  You'll get close though I bet :)
[12:03] <foobarry> diplo: do u have any experience of bootstrap? my menus auto expand after deleting some columns :S
[12:03] <foobarry> maybe its a setting somewhere
[12:05] <diplo> Does the issue show on that site ?
[12:07] <diplo> It's probably related to the active setting
[12:07] <foobarry> http://bit.ly/1v7w3zC
[12:07] <foobarry> yeah i was looking at active
[12:07] <foobarry> after deleting carefully some rows etc
[12:07] <diplo> ah you used that layouy ? Looks much better
[12:07] <foobarry> the menus auto exp
[12:07] <foobarry> there's some great stuff here to use
[12:08] <diplo> yeah I re-wrote our e-commerce admin backend all in bootstrap, made it so much easier to use
[12:09] <diplo> So you're deleting some html and then the menus stay auto expanded ?
[12:09] <foobarry> yeah
[12:10] <foobarry> might be due to page size or something
[12:10] <foobarry> only deleted rows and cols
[12:10] <foobarry> still works in this version http://bit.ly/1u56DzF
[12:10] <diplo> Normally stuff like that is related to a div or something not in the correct order
[12:10] <foobarry> hmm
[12:11] <diplo> OK, I see what you mean now
[12:11] <diplo> Let me take a look
[12:12] <foobarry> v kind of you
[12:14] <foobarry> ah, found the section it happens in
[12:15] <foobarry> when i delete the bar chart line :S
[12:16] <foobarry> <div id="morris-bar-chart"></div>
[12:17] <diplo> That's just from the templated code though yeah ?
[12:17] <foobarry> yeah
[12:17] <foobarry> as soon as i delete that line, the menus pop out
[12:18] <diplo> I wonder if it's due to the style='position relative' part
[12:18] <diplo> I've had some issues with that in BS recently
[12:19] <foobarry> its not just that line, i deleted other and they pop out again
[12:19] <foobarry> maybe there's more collapse options i need
[12:20] <diplo> Maybe, just looking.. I had similar issues when I first started using it and I'm just trying to remember the cause
[12:24] <diplo> Could be line 70 causing it
[12:24] <foobarry> nothing sucks up a morning like css/html
[12:24] <foobarry> in index.html?
 as a child element of a <ul>
[12:24] <foobarry> have edited it recently, is it still line 70?
[12:24] <foobarry> i see
[12:24] <diplo> The second one needs to be encased in a <li> so <ul> <li><ul>stuff inside</ul></li></ul>
[12:27] <foobarry> hmm, didn't fix it
[12:27] <foobarry> they do collapse when you click, ..
[12:27] <foobarry> might get some lunch and approach with clear head
[12:27] <foobarry> actually, only my top one collapses when u click
[12:28] <foobarry> "core usage/availabilty"
[12:28] <diplo> Just a fyi, you don't need to close <img> tags line 155
[12:28] <foobarry> ok ta
[12:28] <foobarry> old habit
[12:29] <diplo> heh same here
[12:29] <diplo> I'll keep looking, just keep getting distracted by work ( May just copy code locally :P )
[12:29] <foobarry> gonna take a copy and try shipping in a working menu from other page
[12:30] <foobarry> please don't spend too much time on it...its my job after all..i saw some stackoverflow pages that might help
[12:31] <diplo> It's more than likely the HTML isn't flowing correctly, pretty sure that was my issue
[12:31] <diplo> I over complicated it when I first started out
[12:31] <diplo> So I removed everythng an did one menu at a time I think
[12:32] <foobarry> i suspect its incorrect use of menu divs
[12:32] <foobarry> lunch then fresh
[12:33] <foobarry> its a surprise for my boss so i not gonna spend much time this week on it while he's around
[12:35] <bigcalm> I did a jquery menu system some time ago, if it's of any help: http://idophp.co.uk/projects/simple_jquery_menu/
[13:08] <foobarry> if my extension comes in within budget, wife says i can get a man cave
[13:08] <foobarry> wooden chalet thing in garden
[13:08] <foobarry> \o/
[13:12] <penguin42> ah, you mean a shed
[13:12] <foobarry> no, i have a shed
[13:12] <penguin42> wood, in garden, sounds like a shed
[13:13]  * foobarry finds a pic
[13:13] <foobarry> http://www.vividgreen.co.uk/garden-rooms/
[13:14] <Myrtti> tesco sells Finnish ones :-P
[13:14] <penguin42> posh shed
[13:14] <Myrtti> or sold, don't know if they have them anymore
[13:14] <foobarry> shed is to store clutter
[13:14] <foobarry> man cave is a place to be and to do
[13:34] <foobarry> diplo: my problem is resolved if i delete the menu and import the one i previously created (not part of the template)
[13:56] <foobarry> the problem manifests depending on whether i use ul class="panel-collapse collapse" or ul class="nav nav-second-level"
[20:27] <ali1234> popey: i wanted to do a UOS session for xubuntu but we couldn't come up with anything to talk about... maybe next time
[20:27] <popey> aww
[20:27] <ali1234> still, the mate session seems to have been productive for us, so that's cool
[22:05] <Azelphur> I may have to revoke my previous canonical+compiz rants o.O
[22:05] <Azelphur> I just did an update, and compiz randomly started itself, and everything is working, all the previous issues I had appear to be gone
[22:06] <Azelphur> although, it also moved my xorg.conf which was rude of it.
[22:10] <Azelphur> lol, 3d windows is broken in (standard) multi monitor setups now, I imagine most people here can replicate that :)
[22:20] <Azelphur> or not...apparently the "crash and then delete all your settings" bug is still present, I was so happy for 5 minutes.
[22:32] <daftykins> Azelphur: O_O
[22:32] <daftykins> Azelphur: if i were you i'd have probably long ago gone to some kind of nasty two-PC setup where i just share files between two pairs of two-screen :( assuming it's only 3+ that gives you trouble
[22:33] <Azelphur> daftykins: I dream of a day I can have proper quad monitor support :)
[22:34] <daftykins> doesn't seem like too much to ask does it :(
[22:35] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[22:36] <Azelphur> I noticed some new Mosaic stuff in my xorg.conf, I should try that out
[22:36] <Azelphur> maybe it'd be more successful
[23:12] <ali1234> Azelphur: the actually announced the most recent compiz release on the FDO mailing list
[23:12] <Azelphur> yea
[23:13] <ali1234> first time that has happened in years
[23:13] <Azelphur> :)
[23:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: if they could fix it crashing and deleting all its settings, that'd be great.
[23:13] <Azelphur> the funny part is it doesn't even reset to default, it just turns everything off, which leaves you with a nonfunctional desktop
[23:13] <ali1234> yeah, i've seen that one happen
[23:13] <ali1234> i think it is cos it has multiple different config backends
[23:14] <Azelphur> nice to know it's not just me :)