[11:58] <kims> guys?
[11:58] <ObrienDave> yes?
[12:00] <kims> what version of xubuntu you're using?
[12:00] <kims> sorry bad english
[12:00] <ObrienDave> 14.04.1
[12:01] <ObrienDave> better english than most :)
[12:02] <kims> i am using that version too :)
[12:02] <kims> hmm... :/
[12:02] <kims> its quiet here..
[12:03] <ObrienDave> well, general chatter is in #xubuntu-offtopic
[12:04] <cfhowlett> quiet = systems are working!
[12:05] <kims> hehe, i am new user ... sorry
[12:09] <ObrienDave> it's ok, cfhowlett has to get snarky once in a while ;P
[12:10] <kims> hahaha, so... dave what are you doing now?
[12:10] <kims> :D
[12:10] <ObrienDave> lurking
[12:14] <kims> on me?
[13:32] <sidi>  Is there anyone here who is new to Linux and Xfce and would have 10 spare minutes to give some feedback on the design of the session logout dialog?
[13:41] <elfy> sidi: if you get no takers - you can have some from someone who's been about for a while ;)
[13:43] <sidi> elfy, im setting up a google forms survey :-)
[13:43] <sidi> you can take it once it's done
[13:43] <elfy> okey doke :)
[13:43] <sidi> and i strongly encourage advertising it so we can get some insights on that session logout UI
[13:44] <elfy> sidi: best place to ask is in -devel for that - can get it on the social sites perhaps
[13:44] <sidi> elfy, will talk to Simon and Pasi :-)
[14:12] <hyper_ch> hi there
[14:30] <Airbander> Hi guys i have a problem when i want copy a big file from 200Mo on USB flash memory he just stop copying in 90%
[14:32] <ObrienDave> is the USB empty? writing a new file or overwriting an existing file?
[14:46] <holstein> Airbander: those go bad, as well..
[14:46] <Airbander> sorry i wasnt here
[14:47] <Airbander> yes the USB empty
[14:47] <holstein> i would get another USB stick, and try writing that file to it.. try writing another file to the same stick as well..
[14:47] <Airbander> i used 4 type of USB
[14:47] <ObrienDave> ok, that answers both of my questions
[14:48] <Airbander> ok
[14:48] <holstein> Airbander: you used 4 types of USB ? you mean, for different USB sticks "act" the same ?
[14:48] <Airbander> yep
[14:49] <Airbander> the same when i copy the from the usb to my laptop the file work fine
[14:49] <holstein> Airbander: does *any* file copy to the USB ?
[14:49] <ObrienDave> sounds like a bad file to begin with
[14:49] <Hedgework> Airbander: HOW are you trying to copy?  Via some gui, or using cp or rsync?
[14:49] <holstein> yeah.. i think the file is the issue, as well ^
[14:49] <Airbander> i didnt copy the same file over and over
[14:49] <holstein> there is a gui for rsync .. grsync
[14:49] <Airbander> Hedgework i tryed from GUI and terminal
[14:49] <Airbander> copy and paste
[14:50] <Hedgework> but in terminal you used 'cp'?  Did it give you an error when it stopped?
[14:50] <Airbander> mv file.mkv /media/my user name/usbname
[14:50] <Airbander> in terminal i used mv
[14:50] <Airbander> cp i forget this one
[14:50] <holstein> i wouldnt "mv" it.. since you are having issues
[14:51] <ObrienDave> doing so could lose the original
[14:51] <Hedgework> Airbander: Okay, so if you like I can take you through some debugging steps, but I'm at work right now so we may have long pauses where I disappear to deal with work.
[14:51] <holstein> i would go back to a backup copy of the file, and try cp and other commands to copy from the terminal, and look for and share errors
[14:51] <Airbander> thanks Hedgework take your time
[14:52] <Hedgework> ObrienDave: In theory, but what it's *supposed* to do by default (unless you use command line options to change its behavior) is copy-then-delete.
[14:52] <ObrienDave> true
[14:52] <Airbander> i will try and give again
[14:52] <Airbander> a second plz
[14:52] <ObrienDave> too tired to type out a 500 letter explanation ;P
[14:53] <Airbander> lol
[14:53] <ObrienDave> makes my 4 typing fingers tired and sore ;P
[14:53] <Hedgework> Airbander: First off, what version of xubuntu are you on, how big is the file in question, what filesystem is on the USB stick (if you know...if not, we'll check), how big is the USB stick and how much free space does it have?
[14:53] <Hedgework> ObrienDave: Meh, I need to move faster, I'm cold. :P
[14:53] <Hedgework> We got our first snow of the season today.
[14:54] <Airbander> hedgework
[14:54] <Hedgework> AFTER I mocked my cow-orkers about how I'd be in New Orleans when the snow starts sunday :P
[14:54] <Airbander> the file i want copy 686.8 MB
[14:54] <Airbander> on 4Go USB drive
[14:54] <Hedgework> "Go"?  Do you mean GB?  or maybe GiB?
[14:55] <ObrienDave> Hedgework, karma will get you every time ;P
[14:55] <Hedgework> (not that the difference between GB or GiB is likely to be a deciding factor in this case)
[14:55] <Hedgework> ObrienDave: apparently
[14:55] <Airbander> 4096Mo
[14:55] <Hedgework> ObrienDave: I'm now being blamed for the snow :P
[14:55] <ObrienDave> see?
[14:55] <Airbander> 4Go = 4096Mo this is what i meant
[14:56] <holstein> 4096Mb ?
[14:56] <Airbander> ya
[14:56] <Hedgework> Airbander: I'm seeing you consistently use "Go" and "Mo", which are not units I am familiar with.
[14:57] <Airbander> ah in frensh
[14:57] <holstein> its the little "o" in place of what we expect and see a "b" that is the question
[14:57] <Airbander> o in frensh sorry
[14:57] <Airbander> GiB
[14:57] <Airbander> it's b forget about o
[14:58] <holstein> regardless, there is plenty of room on the device.. try a terminal cp or other command, and share errors.. try using a backup copy of the file
[14:58] <Airbander> ok
[14:59] <Airbander> i'm using 14.04 xubuntu the last update
[15:00] <Airbander> usb " Kingston"
[15:00] <Hedgework> Airbander: Okay, so I got that the file is 686.8 MB, the drive is 4GB, but I did not see where you specified your version of xubuntu, the filesystem on the USB stick, or the amount of free space on the USB stick.
[15:00] <Hedgework> heh, beat me to it :)
[15:00] <Hedgework> brb, work...should be 5-10 min but I can read backscroll :)
[15:00] <Airbander> it's ok
[15:00] <Airbander> thanks any way
[15:03] <Airbander> brb
[15:10] <Hedgework> back
[15:43] <sidi> Airbander, sorry didnt read the whole backtrace but are you sure the *trash* on the USB device is empty?
[15:43] <sidi> Windows, Linux and OS X create trashes on USB devices, but they're not always visible by default.
[15:43] <Airbander> back
[15:43] <Hedgework> wb
[15:43] <Hedgework> sidi: yeah, I was about to have him run "du" to check for that and similar issues
[15:43] <Airbander> thanks how empty that trashes then ?
[15:44] <sidi> Hedgework, good idea
[15:44] <sidi> Airbander, empty the trash from Thunar as you would normally do. it will empty all trashes on all devices
[15:44] <Airbander> i used gparted on my USB
[15:44] <Airbander> ok
[15:44] <sidi> or you can remove a folder called ".Trash" or ".Trash-1000" at the base of the USB device
[15:44] <sidi> Airbander, it's very unlikely that this is the problem though, after having read more backlog
[15:44] <Airbander> ok guys
[15:44]  * sidi goes back to quiet.
[15:46] <Hedgework> Airbander: Assuming that the device is at /path/to/foo, you run "du -sh /path/to/foo" and it'll show you how much space is used
[15:46] <Airbander> guys i just used du on terminal is that bad ?
[15:46] <Hedgework> no
[15:46] <cfhowlett> Airbander, not bad.  it'll give you valuable info
[15:46] <Hedgework> that's what I intended :)
[15:47] <Airbander> thanks
[15:47] <Hedgework> Airbander: I'll always warn you if a command is potentially destructive, and/or if it needs to be run with sudo privs.
[15:47] <Airbander> yep
[15:47] <Hedgework> Airbander: though if you are ever unsure about a command someone tells you on IRC, you can do "man commandname" or sometimes "info commandname" to learn what it does before running it.
[15:48] <Airbander> ya Hedgework i need to remember that :D
[15:51] <Airbander> du -sh 1.3G
[15:52] <Hedgework> Okay, so only 1.3G of the disk is full, so it should have plenty of room. :)
[15:52] <Hedgework> That rules out one class of problems.
[15:52] <Airbander> i'm gonna format the disk
[15:53] <ObrienDave> fat32
[15:55] <Hedgework> Airbander: meh, if you want to, but we haven't determined that the format is at issue yet :)
[15:55] <Airbander> how ?
[15:55] <Airbander> ok i will chose fat32
[15:56] <Airbander> how Hedgework
[15:56] <Airbander> can i use ext4
[15:56] <Hedgework> Airbander: If you want to reformat, you can unmount the drive, and then, assuming it is /dev/sdb (MAKE SURE this is right or you could destroy data on your system), do "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1"...
[15:57] <Hedgework> Airbander: You can use ext4, but if you do then Windows systems will not be able to read the data on the drive.
[15:57] <Airbander> i dont use windows any more
[15:57] <Hedgework> (nor will some common embedded devices like a printer/scanner combo you want to talk to the drive)
[15:57] <Airbander> thanks for help guys
[15:57] <Hedgework> np
[15:57] <Hedgework> to reformat to ext4, just change mkfs.vfat amove to mkfs.ext4
[15:58] <Airbander> ok
[15:59] <Airbander> i'm using gparted to make it easy for me
[15:59] <Hedgework> that works, too :)
[15:59] <Airbander> excuse me
[15:59] <Airbander> i use prim or exten ?
[16:00] <Airbander> Extended or Primary " Partition
[16:01] <Hedgework> primary
[16:02] <Hedgework> extended partitions are just a hack for dealing with >4 partitions on old-style partition tables that don't handle that easily
[16:03] <Airbander> he give me an error
[16:03] <Airbander> i used ntfs
[16:03] <Airbander> and now it's good
[16:03] <Airbander> he copy very fast
[16:04] <Hedgework> ewww, NTFS :P
[16:04] <Airbander> ya man lol
[16:04] <Hedgework> (just a personal feeling...you aren't actually hurting anything)
[16:04] <Airbander> because i share movies with my friend
[16:04] <Airbander> friends*
[16:04] <Airbander> they use windows
[16:04] <Airbander> noooobs
[16:05] <Airbander> like i'm mastering Linux lol
[16:07] <GridCube> !ot | Airbander
[16:07] <Airbander> ok ubottu
[16:08] <Airbander> sorry GridCube what that mean "!ot"
[16:08] <GridCube> its a factoid call for ubottu
[16:08] <GridCube> !factoid
[16:08] <Airbander> ah lol
[16:08] <Airbander> very nice
[19:55] <Airbander> Hi guys how can i add rockdock on my desktop ?
[19:55] <Airbander> or like rockdoc*
[20:07] <soreau> Hi, I installed xubuntu on an efi device and it works but I have to manually select the device list to boot.. how can I set it to load grub efi by default? It doesn't appear in the efi / bios settings even though I enabled legacy support, I can only see xubuntu entry when I select the boot list
[20:10] <Airbander> sorry i can't help you but i think there is no one here right now
[20:10] <Airbander> ask on ubuntu it's the same thing OS
[20:16] <ali1234> soreau: that's odd, it should just work like any ubuntu flavour
[20:30] <soreau> ali1234: Well when I booted the live session I hadn't disabled secure boot and enable legacy yet.. could that have something to do with it?
[20:31] <ali1234> yes, absolutely
[20:31] <ali1234> maybe you can just run "grub-install" or whatever, and it will fix itself?
[20:31] <ali1234> i still don't have any UEFI to deal with
[21:03] <Meerkat> soreau, does the option you want have its own line?
[21:05] <Meerkat> actually, I cannot help. Looks like they have changed how grub works again. :(
[21:47] <bennypr0fane> hello, how can I check which wireless network connections are available? the network manager icon is missing from my panel (but I didn't remove it, it was never there)
[21:51] <bennypr0fane> btw this is 14.04
[22:45] <soreau> I can't seem to figure out how to move the panel to the bottom of the screen in 14.04
[22:51] <drc> Right Mouse click on panel, panel, Panel Prefs, unclick lock panel, click and holdon either end of the panel...drag to bottom, reclicj lock panel.
[22:53] <soreau> drc: thanks
[23:20] <octetcloud> how do I get rid of the magenta highlights? the settings>>Theme Configuration doesn't seem to control it for me, my highlight background there is the simple blue, AND I have it set to ON, but even after restart, it makes no difference
[23:21] <knome> octetcloud, try to set it to on, then off.