[01:15] <rx> hmm weird
[01:16] <rx> cant get plasma5 to work with both nouveau and nvidia driver
[01:16] <rx> i mean, plasma4 never worked with nouveau driver for me
[01:17] <rx> but nvidia drivers worked
[01:17] <rx> i switched back to lightdm too... because i read somewhere the sddm was not nvidia friendly
[01:28] <sgclark> rx: yeah I have to install the nvidia driver from their website
[01:28] <rx> really?
[01:28] <rx> whats the difference? same version...
[01:28] <sgclark> mhmm
[01:28] <sgclark> I am on 340 something
[01:29] <sgclark> but the ubuntu version I can't boot
[01:30] <rx> for my shipset the drivers are still at 304
[01:30] <rx> geforce7
[01:30] <rx> 304.88
[01:33] <sgclark> not sure, I suspect nvivdia would have that, the thing is , you have to install it in the consolle before X starts. Not really something I can walk anyone through. I thought someone got ubuntu one to work, though not sure, they may have just stayed with lightdm.
[01:33] <sgclark> most are asleep at this hour
[01:38] <ScottK> Yeah.  My instructions would start with "buy a laptop with Intel graphics".
[01:38] <ScottK> No idea about how to deal with the proprietary drivers.
[01:38] <sgclark> lol yeah my laptop has intel, but no login manager atm :)
[01:38] <rx> hehe
[01:38] <rx> this is my 3rd desktop
[01:38] <rx> my first laptop has intel+nvidia
[01:39] <rx> second laptop ati but i use it for something else already
[01:39] <sgclark> yeah I have had nothing but a headache with this nvidia on my desktop. and I had even less luck when I had ATI
[01:40] <sgclark> intel has always been a breeze
[01:41] <sgclark> oh ScottK I am holding on the non human lintian fixes as they told me to use master and it keeps breaking the ci builds, so I am trying to get a straight answer to properly apply the fixes and not break stuff
[01:42] <ScottK> sgclark: OK.  I'd guess the CI builds aren't running with the latest Lintian then.
[01:42] <sgclark> ScottK: I think it is a merge problem actually
[01:42] <ScottK> Oh?
[01:43] <sgclark> which is why I am baffeled as to why they want me to use master
[01:43] <sgclark> ScottK: yeah the git master is lagging way behind the unstable
[01:43] <rx> but nvidia drivers does work with other DE even plasma4. it works with plasma5 but stops when loading
[01:43] <rx> not the best drivers but it can handle games
[01:43] <sgclark> which I told them... and they said to still use it, and viola things break heh
[01:44] <rx> same with nouveau drivers...
[01:44] <rx> well, nouveau and kde = no no
[01:45] <sgclark> yeah I have never liked nouveau
[01:45] <sgclark> nvidia I usually end up grabbing latest from the site, it does take alot of manual upkeep on my part, but worth it to have the latest and greatest
[01:57] <rx> what the hell
[01:57] <rx> i removed both nvidia and nouveau
[01:57] <rx> xorg-...-nouveau
[01:57] <rx> but couldnt delete libdrm-nouveau2
[01:58] <rx> now it works and its fasttttttt
[01:58] <rx> cannot be using software rendering!?
[01:59] <valorie> thanks for the info sgclark
[01:59] <valorie> back home, and the heat and lights are working
[01:59] <valorie> :-)
[02:01] <rx> i _really_ dont understand
[02:05] <sgclark> valorie: yay!
[02:06] <valorie> how is your ice storm proceeding
[02:06] <sgclark> mosty gone, moving south now
[02:07] <sgclark> crazy stupid cold though
[02:07] <valorie> I am SO GLAD we didn't have another of those
[02:07] <sgclark> hehe
[02:07] <valorie> yes, along with most of north america....
[02:07] <sgclark> yeah
[02:07] <valorie> at least we didn't get three feet of snow and howling winds
[02:07] <valorie> and minus 20
[02:08] <sgclark> very true
[02:08] <sgclark> though the winds got pretty bad here
[02:08] <valorie> very bad here and in Enumclaw
[02:08] <sgclark> usually only the river area gets those winds
[02:08] <sgclark> gorge
[02:08] <valorie> they had another road closed there because of a broken power pole
[02:09] <sgclark> doh
[02:09] <valorie> I saw some blown down fences along with some trees and truckloads of branches
[02:10] <sgclark> yeah still alot of leaves still on our trees, with the freeze and all the water, will be interesting
[02:10] <sgclark> thankfully the wind is done
[07:18] <Quintasan> soee: mind if I /querry ?
[07:20] <soee> Quintasan: hey, sure
[07:20] <valorie> Quintasan: thank you very much for fixing that /topic
[07:21] <Quintasan> valorie: Yeah, no problem, I wasn't sure if I could do it during the weekend since my brother occupied my laptop to play Civ 5
[07:21] <valorie> ha
[07:34] <soee> ha my system freezed :P
[07:37] <soee> on Plasma  5.1.1 i i try to assign Firefox-dev to a selected screen/desktop kdeinit5 crashes
[07:38] <soee> same with drkonqi if i try to send report :)
[07:39] <valorie> yikes
[07:39] <soee> but i had no this problem on my laptop only here @work on my PC
[07:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:55] <soee> good mornign lordievader
[07:56] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[07:57] <soee> lordievader: cool :D you ?
[07:58] <lordievader> Trying to wake up.
[08:01] <soee> Yerba might help :)
[08:01] <soee> hows the weather on the north ?
[08:01] <lordievader> I got coffee next to me :P
[08:01] <soee> :D
[08:01] <lordievader> It's gray, but it shouldn't rain.
[08:03] <soee> oh lucky you :|
[08:04] <lordievader> Its wet there?
[08:05] <soee> rainy here in Poland 
[08:05] <lordievader> :(
[08:06] <lordievader> But keep it, we don't want it :P
[08:06] <soee> hehe :) Lord Stark would say... Winder is coming :)
[08:06] <soee> *Winter
[08:11] <valorie> sure is here
[08:11] <valorie> no snow yet, just cold and wind
[08:13] <apachelogger> I did not know he was a lord http://goo.gl/ypSbXK
[08:14] <valorie> lol
[08:14] <soee> :)
[09:32] <Riddell> bon dia
[09:37] <soee> i think the answer is: yo no hablo español
[09:38] <Riddell> that's fine, I was speaking catalan
[09:38] <Riddell> here in the independent state of catalunya we only speak catalan
[09:38] <valorie> ....and english
[09:40] <Riddell> well yes, when we let the tourists in there is a bit of that
[09:51] <Antisound> morning folkz
[09:52] <allee> Riddell: where's your scotish blood vanish? :-)
[09:55] <Riddell> allee: it was spilt in the independence campaign so I drew four lines over my chest plate in blood and became catalunyan
[09:55] <Riddell> hi Antisound 
[10:05] <allee> we're living in interesting times! I'm really curious how the spanish goverment and the EU will handle it. There's so much stupid accumulated experience with independence via war, it was overdue that the world can learn how to do it properly, without hate and tons of blood. (A bit of vanshing scotish blood is okay ;-) )
[10:11] <Riddell> the spanish government keep threatening to put the catalan president on trial for an illegal use of funds
[10:11] <Riddell> which would be interesting if it happened
[10:12] <Riddell> meanwhile the SNP, the party in power in scottish government, has trippled its membership and poll say it'll get 50 of the 60 scottish seats in the next UK elections next year
[10:23] <allee> good news!  
[10:44] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[11:04] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[11:06] <Riddell> anyone have any idea what to present in this ubuntu online summit plasma 5 presentation?
[11:06] <Riddell> I can't get screenshare to work which rules out a lot of possibilities :(
[11:10] <allee> Use a webcam to view your display (that can be turned to you when needed)?
[11:13] <allee> Riddell: if there a FW5 ready KDE connect you could demo lot's of desktopo features &  impress everyone that does not know it
[11:14] <Riddell> KF5 is the acronym
[11:14] <Riddell> but I can't demo it without screenshare working :(
[11:14] <allee> ^^ use a webcam to view your desktop (or you)
[11:16] <Riddell> oh we have two scheduled for today?
[11:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: try screenshare with chrome?
[11:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have a session at uos today?
[11:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I did, when I clicked nothing happened
[11:16] <shadeslayer> You probably have to hit allow or whatever
[11:18] <Riddell> calling you to check
[11:18] <Riddell> chat works and I can hear you
[11:18] <Riddell> but no screenshare
[11:25] <Riddell> meh
[11:32] <soee> Riddell: what about http://www.teamviewer.com ?
[11:33] <yofel> that would be kind of inconvenient if they're already using hangouts
[11:33] <yofel> I wonder why screenshare wouldn't work though o.O
[11:37] <Riddell> I could tell everyone to fire up an vnc viewer but it's too much hassle
[11:37] <Riddell> so I guess I'll have to work out how to give an interesting talk without
[11:38] <soee> Riddell: when  the talk is scheduled ?
[11:39] <Riddell> 15:00UTC
[11:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah it's weird
[11:40] <bukai> Riddell: I have designed all the pages  , I am uploading it can you please check the design?/
[11:41] <bukai> Riddell: *except the news page
[11:42] <Riddell> bukai: to the same place?
[11:42] <bukai> Riddell: Yes, but please wait. My internet connection is too slow, I will do it as soon as possible
[11:43] <soee> @#kubuntu [12:42] <nagerst> where can i find qtcurve-qt5 for ubuntu?
[11:44] <Riddell> soee: kde-style-qtcurve5 ?
[11:45] <Riddell> bukai: do you know how to convert these static designs into wordpress pages?
[11:46] <soee> Riddell: kde-style-qtcurve5 is available for trusty ?
[11:46] <Riddell> oh I've no idea
[11:49] <bukai> Riddell: No. Do I have to convert it all into wordpress pages?
[11:52] <Riddell> bukai: somehow that'll have to happen yes
[11:57] <bukai> Ok, I guess once I am totally done with it then should convert it. The basic design is done now just a lot of small animations and changes are left to be done, once that is completed I guess I will have time to convert it to WP 
[11:57] <bukai> Riddell: ^^
[12:00] <Riddell> great
[12:00] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop  plasma desktop is in vivid!
[12:02] <soee> :O
[12:02] <soee> so its time to move to vivid ? :)
[12:02] <Riddell> well hang on, it's in, I've no idea if it works
[12:03] <soee> :D
[12:05] <yofel> I wouldn't recommend it
[12:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do? 
[12:05] <yofel> Or well, at least my last test upgrade in a VM a couple days ago didn't end well
[12:07] <soee> yofel: what went wrong ? also did you do upgrade from utopic with kde4 or plasma5 ?
[12:07] <apachelogger> that's not gonna fly
[12:07] <apachelogger> sgclark: I am not available at 16 UTC
[12:07] <yofel> soee: tried both. In the end I never got sddm to work
[12:08] <yofel> might've worked if I had tried lightdm
[12:08] <soee> yofel: ah sddm is a different story, it never worked for me on my laptop (nvidia-prime)
[12:08] <soee> worked some time here at work but stooped few days ago :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:09] <soee> no idea why but kdm has been installed and is ised now :) pure magic
[12:09] <soee> hey BluesKaj
[12:09] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[12:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you available at 15 UTC to do a joint one?
[12:11] <Riddell> else tell me what to say about kubuntu ci
[12:11] <apachelogger> I have to be out the door by 15:30, so maybe
[12:11] <apachelogger> alas, I have no voip setup anyway, so meh
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: there's nothing that really needs saying
[12:12] <apachelogger> blog post coming up
[12:12] <Riddell> ok so I'll describe it in my talk
[12:13] <apachelogger> you can just say it's very cool and going to revolutionize the way we do packaging ^^
[12:13] <Riddell> mhall119: can you cancel the  Not Attending Kubuntu Continuous Packaging with Jenkins CI talk and somehow merge it into the  Kubuntu Plasma5 Preview talk?
[12:16] <bukai> Riddell: My net is too slow , can I upload the code around 4 pm your time ?
[12:17] <Riddell> sure
[12:17] <Antisound> Riddell: you still have no clue what it's all about the plasma-desktop error for 15.04?
[12:17] <Riddell> Antisound: what error?
[12:17] <Antisound> that it is not going into the archive?
[12:18] <Antisound> if you can call it an "error"
[12:19] <Riddell> oh, it's just gone into the archive
[12:19] <Antisound> ah. ok
[12:20] <Riddell> so it's quite possible that tomorrow's images will have plasma 5 on them
[12:20] <Antisound> nice
[12:20] <Riddell> but then they might not have any way to log into it since sddm isn't in the archive
[12:20] <Antisound> oh
[12:20] <Antisound> k
[12:20] <Antisound> where's sddm ;-)
[12:20] <Antisound> bad sddm
[12:21]  * Antisound slaps sddm
[12:21] <Antisound> hehe
[12:25] <Riddell> it's in New queue where every new package waits until an archive admin reviews and lets it into the archive
[12:25] <Antisound> ok
[12:25] <Antisound> it has to pass the doorman ;)
[12:28] <Antisound> i've way less bugs in 5.1.1 than in 5.1.0
[12:29] <Antisound> first of all with kwin
[12:29] <Antisound> it's really fluently
[12:32] <soee> i can confirm what Antisound says :)
[12:32] <Antisound> hi soee :)
[12:32] <soee> hi Antisound
[12:33] <Antisound> all fine?
[12:35] <soee> as always :)
[12:36] <Antisound> nice
[12:36] <soee> what is package: whoopsie
[12:37] <yofel> automated crash reporting
[12:38] <soee> ah, just wound a nice cmd: apt-cache show whoopsie
[12:38] <soee> so we have this whoopsie and drkonqi ?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> it would be nice to be able to run different wallpapers for different VDs on plasma 5
[12:39] <BluesKaj> probly too early days tho
[12:39] <soee> BluesKaj: is there such bug/feature request raport ?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> soee, dunno , I haven't checked 
[12:40] <soee> i hope than Ivan will finish the activities in for 5.2.0
[12:43]  * Antisound is going to try 0ad 0.0.17 now
[12:43] <Antisound> laters
[12:48] <yofel> soee: whoopsie is the thing that sends reports to error.ubuntu.com
[12:48] <yofel> *errors
[12:50] <sgclark> morning
[12:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning sgclark
[13:15] <Antisound> sgclark: morning
[13:28] <Riddell> sgclark: can you kill off the ci session and add some ci to the description of the plasma 5 session?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> searched launchpad for virtual desktop/wallpaper related bugs, but didn't find anything topical, so I guess patience is the word for this annoyance :)
[13:31] <BluesKaj> for plasma 5
[13:31] <sgclark> Riddell: unfortunately I was not able to do much of anything as track lead and got help from jose. I will not be doing that again. I will email to try and get help.
[13:32] <jose> sgclark, Riddell what's up?
[13:32] <sgclark> oooh yay jose
[13:32] <jose> :P
[13:32] <jose> quick, before I leave for uni
[13:32] <Riddell> jose: can you kill off the session we have on ci
[13:32] <sgclark> jose: an you kill off the ci session and add some ci to the description of the plasma 5 session?
[13:32] <Riddell> jose: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22371/devops-1411-kubuntu-continuous-integration/
[13:32] <jose> Riddell: what should I add?
[13:33] <Riddell> jose: and add to this one http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22363/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-/ that we'll be talking about continuous-integration
[13:33] <sgclark> jose: nothing technical, just a briefing on our ci 
[13:33] <jose> cool
[13:33] <Riddell> jose: when the time comes how do I get the link to the hangout?
[13:34] <jose> Riddell, sgclark: you can change the blueprint description to change the description in summit, I cannot do that for ya
[13:34] <jose> Riddell: you have to manually start a hangout on air yourself, and then put the links in summit
[13:34] <Riddell> jose: how do I manually start a hangout?
[13:35] <jose> Riddell: plus.google.com, you change from Home to Hangouts at the top left, then click 'Start Hangout on Air'
[13:35] <Riddell> and where do I put the links in summit?
[13:35] <jose> Riddell: you should be able to get an embed link
[13:35] <jose> lemme get the link for ya
[13:35] <jose> Riddell: you should be able to change hangout details here
[13:35] <jose> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/hangout/22363/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-/
[13:36] <jose> Riddell: please mark yourself as attending the session and I'll change permissions for you
[13:36] <Riddell> done
[13:37] <jose> Riddell: don't see yourself as attending at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22363/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-/
[13:37] <sgclark> Riddell: jose I updated our blueprint
[13:38] <jose> sgclark: cool, the LP sync should catch up before the session
[13:38] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: will you present a section on activities?
[13:39] <Riddell> sgclark: will you present a section on something? getting into kubuntu would be cool
[13:39] <sgclark> ok
[13:40] <jose> Riddell: have to leave in 2m, please mark yourself as attending on the session
[13:40] <sgclark> with that said I have to get ready
[13:41] <Riddell> jose: I'm subscribed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging-next/+spec/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-
[13:41] <Riddell> what else do I need to do?
[13:41] <jose> Riddell: on the meeting itself, summit
[13:41] <jose> things do not get passed on instantly, so I need you to go to the meeting I linked before and mark yourself as attending
[13:42] <jose> there's a button that says 'attend this meeting;
[13:42] <Riddell> I've clicked register at https://launchpad.net/sprints/uos-1411/+attend
[13:42] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Hi
[13:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry folks just back from lunch, 
[13:43] <jose> Riddell: summit
[13:43] <jose> not launchpad
[13:43] <jose> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/attend_meeting/22363/
[13:43] <jose> Riddell: ^
[13:43] <Riddell> says "You are not registered as attending." "You can register your attendance in Launchpad. If you have recently done so, wait a few minutes and reload this page."
[13:43] <jose> wat
[13:43] <jose> urgh
[13:43] <jose> I'll have to check from uni
[13:43] <jose> gtg
[13:43] <Riddell> with a link to https://launchpad.net/sprints/uos-1411/+attend
[13:43] <Riddell> ok thanks jose 
[13:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Just checking the schedule
[13:49] <Riddell> jose: ok now registered as attending http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22363/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-/
[13:51] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah ha OK, I think I see where we are now
[13:53] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: so are you able to join and say your piece in an hour?
[13:58] <mhall119> Riddell: I've set you as required for that meeting, which should give you permissions to set the youtube and hangout URLs
[13:59] <Riddell> lovely, I think I just set them at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22363/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-/
[13:59] <mhall119> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions has instructions for adding those URLs to Summit
[13:59] <mhall119> ah, yes, i see it now,
[13:59] <mhall119> Riddell: so are you all setnow?
[14:00] <Sick_Rimmit> No preparation, no screen shots, no idea how and what we're doing this with...
[14:00] <Sick_Rimmit> No idea how long, so lets so no more than 10 mintes
[14:00] <Sick_Rimmit> Sure I'd be glad to :-)
[14:03] <Sick_Rimmit> So my thinking, is to Do a screenshare and talk about how I use Activites on a Daily basis. 
[14:03] <Sick_Rimmit> Do you want me to try this in PLasma ? 
[14:04] <Sick_Rimmit> I don't have a work activities seton my Plasma Tech preview VM
[14:04] <Sick_Rimmit> Or perhaps you just want me to talk about it ?
[14:07] <Riddell> mhall119: yes I think so
[14:07] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I can't get screenshare to work, if you can then great
[14:08] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Yep, can I use Stand Utopic 14.10, or do you really need me to do it on Plasma 5, Less work for me on my daily desktop :-)
[14:08] <Riddell> do whatever is less work
[14:08] <sgclark> I tried to but my laptop is not behaving. I think it is dying, :(
[14:09] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, that's cool, and I am all set..
[14:09] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: can you join to test? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcOO_ULR9N-OTs-UJRuqEyhrqRSdQKDwabyeIHQJy728yockg?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:09] <Riddell> sgclark: ↑ ?
[14:11] <sgclark> ack give me a sec, just got out of shower lol
[14:12] <Sick_Rimmit> 2 mins I try
[14:15] <Riddell> golly 5 viewers already and it's not even broadcasting
[14:17] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Can you invite via G+. I can't Cut Paste link from VM to Windows
[14:18] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: sent
[14:20] <Riddell> hmm, who is alket?
[14:21] <alket-w> it was me , i was just curious, now im out
[14:21] <Riddell> oh there you are :)
[14:21] <Riddell> and claydoh sneaked in too
[14:22] <alket-w> i thought it was q&a session or something
[14:22] <Riddell> yeah it will be
[14:22] <Riddell> so all welcome I guess
[14:22] <alket-w> thanks
[14:22] <claydoh> ya Riddell but i have to run, might not make it back in time
[14:23] <Riddell> viewing url is at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22363/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-/
[14:44] <Riddell> sgclark: dressed yet?
[14:45] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I am as ready as I am going to get 
[14:46] <sgclark> Riddell: need link again
[14:49] <alket-w> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22363/community-1411-showoff-kubuntu-plasma-/
[14:51] <sgclark> think I need to g+ link, or if you could invite me Riddell
[14:51] <Riddell> sgclark: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcOO_ULR9N-OTs-UJRuqEyhrqRSdQKDwabyeIHQJy728yockg?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:51] <Riddell> invited
[14:52] <Riddell> ooh 11 viewers
[14:53] <jmux> Riddell: I just told 4 of my collegues ;-)
[14:53] <Riddell> ooh golly
[14:55] <Riddell> sgclark: nudge!
[14:55] <sgclark> I can't seem to join, I got no invite
[14:56] <Riddell> sgclark: follow the link?
[14:56] <Riddell> sgclark: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcOO_ULR9N-OTs-UJRuqEyhrqRSdQKDwabyeIHQJy728yockg?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:56] <sgclark> what link?
[15:04] <yofel> I see konqi \o/
[15:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think u might want to mute yourself, lots of noise
[15:18] <lordievader> Whoo show off plasma :D
[15:19] <Riddell> I did
[15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, much better thx ^^
[15:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: want to join in for CI?
[15:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: half way out the door already, I have confidence in your ability to explain it :)
[15:21] <soee> BluesKaj: nice talk about activities atm
[15:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, the audio quality is terrible here
[15:21] <soee> take a look @stream :)
[15:22] <soee> ah so you watching ?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> yeah I was 
[15:22] <soee> there was a problem for a moment but ow its ok
[15:24] <soee> and the only issue in Plasma5 is missing shortcuts to switch activities :)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> yeah audio seems better, but i don't need activities, really
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Jonathan Riddell's audio is very choppy here
[15:35] <sgclark> sorry about my mic
[15:36] <Riddell> well I think me and rick had the choppy audio
[15:36] <Riddell> great, thanks much sgclark 
[15:36] <lordievader> :D
[15:36] <lordievader> It was lovely.
[15:37] <sgclark> Riddell: np, guess I need to get a new mic. 
[15:37] <sgclark> otherwise I think it went well
[15:38] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get my email about 4.14.3?
[15:38] <Riddell> I wonder why hangout invites don't work, that happened in the sessions we did with rick earlier too
[15:38] <Riddell> yes I did, yet to read it though, let me look now
[15:38] <sgclark> yeah that is wierd
[15:39] <sgclark> brb switching to my desktop
[15:40] <BluesKaj> I was going to join the video, but wife insisted I don't since I just got up and need to shave etc :)
[15:40] <Riddell> oh I really don't think anyone is that superficial around here
[15:41] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-Launches-Massive-Linux-Driver-Update-464935.shtml
[15:41] <BluesKaj> hehe, well you don't know wifey :(
[15:41] <Riddell> well except sgclark who had a shower and spent an hour preening herself before the show :)
[15:41] <soee> beta drivers wont land in xorg-edgers ppa right ?
[15:41] <Riddell> I've no idea about x stuff
[15:42] <BluesKaj> actually I meant to do { :) }7
[15:43] <sgclark> lol
[15:43] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, I'm afraid I'm not too sure on the issue you had with 4.14.3 packaging
[15:43] <sgclark> ok
[15:44] <sgclark> I think it is a bug with pull-lp-source
[15:44] <BluesKaj> heh, the 340 nvidia driver on windows was awful, now they want us to try a more unstable
[15:44] <BluesKaj> version
[15:44] <sgclark> but anyway, it has to be done by hand I think, but I am taking the weekend off, really, I am.. lol
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: it may be, or it may be that there's no 4.14.3 in vivid but I'm not sure
[15:45] <sgclark> right it is not
[15:45] <sgclark> it has not been done yet
[15:45] <Riddell> no and it won't be
[15:46] <sgclark> right, utopic only right?
[15:46] <Riddell> but I don't know if that affects the kubuntu-initial-upload script
[15:46] <sgclark> and applications will be vivid
[15:46] <Riddell> yes 4.14.3 should be utopic updates ppa
[15:46] <BluesKaj> soee, wonder whether that new driver will run my entry level nvidia 8400gs card
[15:46] <Riddell> and kde applications 14.12 beta should be vivid
[15:46] <sgclark> yeah I tired the script in utopic chroot and same failure
[15:46] <sgclark> that is what I figured
[15:47] <Riddell> I think kde applications 14.12 beta is the priority
[15:47] <sgclark> ok
[15:47] <Riddell> but we need to think a bit about how to do it
[15:47] <sgclark> yeah
[15:48] <sgclark> got merges too, ugh lol
[15:48] <soee> BluesKaj: we will know soon :D
[15:48] <Riddell> we want to have the packaging in debian git
[15:48] <Riddell> but where in debian git I don't know
[15:48] <Riddell> needs talking to debian people
[15:49] <Riddell> then branching the debian packaging from kde-sc/kmyapp to kde-applications/kmyapp
[15:49] <Riddell> or cloning may be the better term
[15:49] <Riddell> then branching into kubuntu_vivid_archive
[15:49] <Riddell> then merging in any kubuntu delta
[15:49] <sgclark> that sounds like a solid plan to me
[15:49] <Riddell> if it's a KF5 app update to pkg-kde-tools 3
[15:49] <BluesKaj> soee, maybe I'll switch to windows on the desktop pc to see if there's an nvidia update/upgrade waiting 
[15:49] <Riddell> maybe take the opportunity to review the copyright files and whatnot
[15:50] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[15:51] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah, it will likely need alot of review
[15:52] <sgclark> definately will not be an overnight project lol
[15:52] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[15:53] <bukai> Riddell: I finally uploaded the code :)
[15:53] <Riddell> ooh
[15:53] <bukai> Please let me know if something is to be altered 
[15:54] <Riddell> new bling up at http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/sok !
[15:56] <Riddell> bukai: I'm liking the look of http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/sok/download.html but where's info on 14.10 and 14.10 Plasma 5?
[15:56] <bukai> Downloads tab is incomplete, I am trying to create a text slider for it
[15:57] <bukai> Riddell: or should i just post it one below the other?
[15:57] <sgclark> bukai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8948144/
[16:00] <Riddell> bukai: whatever is easiest/looks the best :)
[16:00] <sgclark> looks good though, great work bukai
[16:01] <bukai> sgclark: Thanks :)
[16:02] <Riddell> I'm not sure if all the pages need the news/feature tour etc blocks
[16:02] <Riddell> better to keep it simple and only have the page content I'd think
[16:03] <bukai> Riddell: Ok. Actually kubuntu.org had the news in every page hence I thought it was needed
[16:08] <bukai> Riddell: But if we remove tour and news both then the pages will look too empty.
[16:08] <Riddell> bukai: keep the news and remove tour then?
[16:13] <bukai> Ok.
[16:14] <bukai> sgclark: will that look better ? I removed the horizontal scrolling 
[16:16] <sgclark> bukai: that link just sent me to our g+ updates.
[16:17] <sgclark> bukai: but yeah removing the horizontal scroll will be good
[16:18] <_Groo_> any news on the 14.12 backport? :)
[16:19] <_Groo_> any scary  ppa i could try/test/break/scream/curse
[16:19] <Riddell> 14.12 doesn't have any packaging never mind a backport
[16:19] <_Groo_> its a big blob?
[16:19] <_Groo_> can you point me to the kde git entry?
[16:20] <_Groo_> kde git repo
[16:20] <_Groo_> kde git master?
[16:20] <_Groo_> kde git huuu... tree?
[16:20] <_Groo_> trunk?
[16:21] <Riddell> projects.kde.org
[16:21] <_Groo_> i know that
[16:21] <_Groo_> the actual tree
[16:21] <Riddell> git://anongit.kde.org/
[16:22] <bukai> sgclark: http://gplusapi.appspot.com/ will this widget look better? but it needs an API ID which I do not have
[16:24] <yofel> _Groo_: you would need a bunch of repositories http://download.kde.org/unstable/applications/14.11.90/src/
[16:27] <sgclark> bukai: yeah it does, think the owner of kubuntu G+ has to create that API key though :(
[16:27] <sgclark> maybe Riddell can get that person to create one?
[16:30] <bukai> Riddell: can you create an API key for the G+ profile?
[16:31] <sgclark> I don't either of us can, we don't own it. I will send a message to the owner
[16:31] <_Groo_> ahh nice, lots of little packages to build/create :D
[16:31] <_Groo_> ill pick a few next week
[16:32] <_Groo_> im busy with WoD this weekend
[16:32] <_Groo_> gotta lvl up my beloved lock
[16:32] <sgclark> _Groo_: we have to merge with debian as well, gonna be much more complicated
[16:33] <yofel> sgclark: where are you putting the applications, in kde-applications/ ?
[16:33] <_Groo_> sgclark: i know, its for personal use
[16:33] <sgclark> yofel: in git repos that have not been created yet
[16:34] <yofel> k
[16:34] <_Groo_> sgclark: i know this is a much bigger work/confluence/planning
[16:34] <sgclark> _Groo_: ah ok :)
[16:34] <_Groo_> thats why all my personal packages have ~padoka in them, easier to bulk remove if needed
[16:35] <sgclark> we will start by merging debian into said repo than put our necessary remaining changes and review cleanup copyright etc, then finally into unstable
[16:35] <yofel> sgclark: so nothing planned yet where they'll end up in debian git?
[16:36] <sgclark> yofel: then branching the debian packaging from kde-sc/kmyapp to kde-applications/kmyapp
[16:36] <sgclark> is the plan
[16:36] <yofel> ok, sounds good
[16:36] <sgclark> need to work with debian to get the ball rolling though
[16:37] <sgclark> _Groo_: hehe I used to play WoW oh so many years ago
[16:37] <sgclark> no time anymore :( was fun though
[16:38] <apachelogger> wow is tha crap I say
[16:38] <_Groo_> sgclark: oh i have time between 0 and 6 am before going to work at 7 am
[16:38] <sgclark> hehe
[16:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: says the noob ally mage with no enchants or gems
[16:38] <apachelogger> <- never played wow
[16:39] <sgclark> lol
[16:39] <_Groo_> apachelogger: exactly, i just offended you deeply
[16:39] <yofel> wizards don't need to play wow :P
[16:39] <_Groo_> sgclark: <- he got it
[16:39] <apachelogger> I rather dislike the concept of playing on a treadmill
[16:39] <_Groo_> apachelogger: treadmill?
[16:39] <_Groo_> apachelogger: how so?
[16:40] <apachelogger> _Groo_: do you not have to get ever higher tiers of equipment in order to compete in ever so new content?
[16:40] <_Groo_> apachelogger: tell me ONE game that is not based on leveling?
[16:40] <apachelogger> (that incidentially is also be why pvp in mmorpgs is screwed beyond compare ;))
[16:41] <apachelogger> _Groo_: I am not talking about leveling, I am talking about gear
[16:41] <apachelogger> although I also find the concept of leveling offending
[16:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you have 2 lvling systems in wow
[16:41] <apachelogger> it's the cheapest of timegate mechanics in all the game industry
[16:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: 1 is the lvls itself, more of a nice ride around new lore and zones
[16:41] <sgclark> apachelogger: agree
[16:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: 2 is the "shit got serious", which is the gear itself, dungeons, raids, etc
[16:43] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yeah, the second kind is balls
[16:43] <apachelogger> the first one is slightly meh
[16:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and yeah, wow is all about that, you even have garrisons (think the sims meets clash of clans on steroids), pets (pokemon anyone) and beyond
[16:44] <_Groo_> number 2 is were i get all my fun, raiding or battleground with my fellow guildies
[16:44] <_Groo_> THATS wow... social interaction with entrails, blood and cursing
[16:44] <apachelogger> I will wager that you have fun with your guildies and not the game
[16:45] <_Groo_> if you are horde :) if you are ally its about butterflies and running away from hordies
[16:45] <sgclark> that was it for me was the friends I made, not so much the game
[16:45] <sgclark> I am still friends with said folks to this day even though I don't play
[16:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: exactly, the game is just an awesome glue... but now you can have fun in the "dead moments" with garrisons, pet battles, Looking for raid/dungeons, solo pvpving with pve bosses (fighting club) and so much more
[16:47] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:47] <apachelogger> second life does that too
[16:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hu... did you just compare wow with second life? where do you live again?
[16:47] <apachelogger> and in second life you can actually make lodsa money instead of spending it :P
[16:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: always trolling
[16:49] <sgclark> hmm I have not checked second life in awhile, that still going strong?
[16:49] <_Groo_> sgclark: apachelogger is a 90s child, he probably still have a BBS at home somewhere and a typewriter
[16:49] <apachelogger> I am dead serious
[16:50] <sgclark> _Groo_: lol you don't seem to know how old I am 
[16:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: get the started edition, play for free for 30 days, and then tell me if its the same, no strings attached :)
[16:50] <_Groo_> sgclark: im prolly older that you 2 farts
[16:50] <_Groo_> then
[16:50] <apachelogger> I could buy guildwars2, play it free for forever
[16:50] <_Groo_> starter edition doesnt need any payment, is free to play
[16:50] <_Groo_> to get a taste of the drug
[16:51] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:51] <apachelogger> second life is free by default
[16:51] <_Groo_> good way to test wine + nine too
[16:51] <sgclark> SWTOR is free, just can't get it to run well in Linux :(
[16:52] <apachelogger> sgclark: if you actually want to play anything but the story it's not really free, then again everything but the story is terribad anyway :O
[16:53] <sgclark> yeah
[16:53] <sgclark> story is fun, but yeah I lose interest after that
[16:55] <_Groo_> its a game, matter of taste, i like it :) 
[16:57] <Riddell> any git experts know how I can move kde-sc/kolf over to kde-applications/kolf ?
[16:57] <Riddell> I suppose I could just cp the files on git.debian.org but somehow that feels like cheating
[16:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: copy the directory on git.debian
[16:59] <apachelogger> the directories are actually bare clones of themselves, so copying the dir about is in fact the most appropriate thing to do
[16:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: do remember that gwenview, konsole, kate and libkdeedu have kubuntu_unstable branches btw
[16:59] <apachelogger> konsole is mostly pointless though because it primarily focuses utopic
[17:04] <sgclark> ack anyone have bukai email address? I was able to create an API key 
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[17:08] <Riddell> looking
[17:09] <Riddell> sgclark:  subho020m@gmail. com 
[17:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: thanks
[17:10] <sgclark> thanks!
[17:22] <sgclark> ok am off to prepare for my Loco UOS
[17:22] <sgclark> muted lol
[17:22] <Riddell> have fun sgclark 
[17:22] <sgclark> ty
[17:37] <Riddell> first kde-application repository, please check I'm doing it right http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/?q=kolf
[17:37] <Riddell> I also updated https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[17:38] <apachelogger> looks ok
[17:38] <Riddell> go go ninjas!
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: try to branch kubuntu_unstable and push it though
[17:38] <Riddell> !ninjas | kde applications 14.12 beta
[17:38] <apachelogger> otherwise I'll forget when I deploy the new jobs to CI and everything will explode xD
[17:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: branch from kubuntu_vivid_archive ?
[17:39] <apachelogger> yep
[17:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, kde-applications is where we put all the new repos?
[17:40] <Riddell> for kde-applications tars hopefully
[17:40] <Riddell> but I've not confirmed it with debian
[17:40] <Riddell> sune did say that's what he wanted
[17:41] <apachelogger> yeah, I do wonder if the old things in kde-sc/extras should go away though, otherwise there's two remotes of the same thing, which is a tad weird IMO
[18:02] <BluesKaj> will akonadi-fake be ported kubuntu/kde/plasma 5 anytime soon? I see it's available for arch users
[18:05] <BluesKaj> i have all akonadi related stuff running for no reason and I'd like to either have a method of auto killing it or removing them altogether if possible
[19:12] <soee__> BluesKaj: did you tried this nvidia drivers on windows ? i think beta are not available in updates by default
[19:13] <BluesKaj> soee__, no I didn't since they weren't available in the nvidia update gui 
[19:13] <soee__> ok
[19:14] <BluesKaj> installed the 340 driver on W7 and seems to be ok now
[19:14] <BluesKaj> think I'll stick with it for now
[19:24] <soee__> ah ok im on 343.22 here
[21:19] <soee> do you remember the bug with 3 default wallpapers thumbs in plasma5 ?
[21:19] <soee> it seems it was fixed in Plasma 5.1.1 so i wonder if it is still opened
[21:35] <BluesKaj> well, that's it for the day....laters
[22:54] <valorie> user reports: I can only add the ppa:neon/ppa. When I add the neon/kf5, it says "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:neon/kf5'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct."
[22:55] <valorie> should not the neon/ppa be killed too?
[22:55] <valorie> not sure where to report this -- if no response here, I'll write to ML
[23:03] <my_names_dave> can we get cdrtools in the kubuntu repos please. k3b fails at 99% when burning blurays due to some (already documented) problem with growisof. installing cdrtools fixes this, albeit with manual selection at burn time. 
[23:05] <valorie> my_names_dave: a new release of k3b will be released very soon
[23:06] <valorie> !info cdrtools
[23:06] <valorie> where did you get the cdrtools package you are using?
[23:08] <my_names_dave> the fix was actually documented on a kde forum thread. I had to compile to cdrtools from source from its website. 
[23:09] <valorie> the KDE Gardening team took up k3b and found and got fixed a lot of bugs, and made a release
[23:09] <valorie> k3b is looking for a maintainer
[23:09] <valorie> are you interested?
[23:09] <valorie> it sounds like you know a lot of the skills needed to do that
[23:09] <valorie> that said, options are always good
[23:10] <valorie> you can file a 'needs packaging' bug on launchpad
[23:10] <valorie> file two: one for k3b, and one for cdrtools
[23:10] <valorie> that would be optimal
[23:12] <my_names_dave> bug report goes back to 2011 on this! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/788322
[23:13] <rww> my understanding is that cdrtools is considered not distributable by Debian.
[23:13] <valorie> ah
[23:13] <rww> uses two incompatible licenses, details are at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrtools#License_.28in.29compatibility_controversy
[23:13] <valorie> well then, it is unlikely to get into the archive
[23:14] <valorie> my_names_dave: I explained the situation of k3b in KDE
[23:14] <rww> (upstream disagrees, but upstream's behavior on mailing lists is... interesting)
[23:14] <valorie> I don't know when we will package and release it, but filing a "needs packaging" bug will get some attention
[23:15] <my_names_dave> what a mess basically.
[23:15] <valorie> we want the new nifty stuff for vivid, and probably will backport to utopic
[23:15] <valorie> and perhaps 14.04 as well
[23:15] <valorie> progress can be messy
[23:15] <valorie> we're doing a lot of new stuff right now
[23:15] <valorie> while keeping the stable, stable
[23:16] <valorie> all help is welcome
[23:20] <my_names_dave> can something be put into the 'known issues' section about this? and the solution? actually, does kubuntu ship k3b as the default burner, i can't eremember.
[23:23] <valorie> yes
[23:28] <my_names_dave> this needs to go in the known issues and stay there then. this is a big problem, as blu ray devices are very cheap now, and are very good for backing up due to the large disc sizes. having a 30min burn fail at 99% is v.annoying, and the discs are expensive too.
[23:32] <valorie> my_names_dave: please write to Kubuntu-devel and ask that either this be put in the known issues, or fixed NOW
[23:32] <valorie> well, perhaps more politely than that
[23:33] <valorie> irc is not the best medium for this, esp. on Friday night
[23:33] <valorie> some devels will not read again until Mon. morning euro-time
[23:34] <valorie> everyone reads the ML
[23:35] <my_names_dave> i'll do it tomorrow. this must be a problem in all kde distros though, which makes me wonder whether k3b should be patched throw up a warning box on first use to advise of the problem.