[00:39] <wxl> any reason why we all aren't using the ubuntu on air account so all of the uos videos can be aggregated?
[00:48] <popey> wxl: multiple people logging into the same G+ account from different countries triggers the google alerts
[00:49] <wxl> popey: bummer. is anyone working to try to aggregate all the videos into a playlist or something?
[00:56] <popey> wxl: we can fairly easily do that, we usually do after each uos
[00:56] <popey> we can just extract all the youtube urls from the database
[00:57] <wxl> popey: ah ok, cool.
[00:58] <wxl> i'm sure that will get posted to community-announce?
[00:59] <popey> we can do, yes
[09:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:11] <jose> dholbach: hey, mind sharing that doc to joseeantonior@gmail.com, please?
[13:12] <dholbach> jose, done
[13:12] <jose> dholbach: thanks! \o/
[13:12] <dholbach> anytime :)
[13:46] <dholbach> I'll spam the internets about the start of day3
[13:48] <dholbach> oh, looks like dpm already did
[13:48] <dpm> dholbach, I sent it about 20 mins ago, perhaps it wouldn't hurt to do it again ~5 mins before the start
[15:28] <dholbach> dpm, as I said a few days ago: I won't be able to make it to the last session today, but it's nothing where I absolutely need to be there
[15:28] <dholbach> dpm, so I'll just make sure all the blueprints are updated and the summaries are written
[15:31] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, we talked about it already, no worries
[15:31] <belkinsa> mhall119, I forgot to tell you that making a mailing list for the track leads was an awesome idea.
[15:31] <dpm> +1
[15:58] <mhall119> belkinsa: yeah, I have no idea why I didn't think to do that before, it seems to obvious now
[16:56] <dholbach> dpm, popey, balloons, mhall119: now is probably a good time to fill in the blanks on the summaries page :-)
[16:56] <dpm> dholbach, indeed :)
[16:56] <popey> yeah
[16:56] <popey> that was my intention :D
[16:57] <dholbach> dpm, do the summaries of the community track largely make sense?
[16:58] <belkinsa> Can I also have access to the summaries doc too, as I'm a lead also?
[16:58] <dholbach> belkinsa, can you PM me the email address to share it with?
[16:58] <dholbach> belkinsa, because I shared it with you already, but I'm happy to re-share
[16:59] <belkinsa> Okay, I will check
[16:59] <dpm> belkinsa, you should have received an e-mail
[17:00] <dholbach> belkinsa, just PM me your email address and I'll re-share :)
[17:00] <belkinsa> I know, but I can see the doc now
[17:00] <dholbach> ahhh, great :)
[17:00] <dpm> balloons, are you doing the summary for the users track, I guess?
[17:00] <popey> dholbach: uh, there's loads of stuff in the app-dev track section that I wasn't in
[17:00] <dholbach> popey, I wrote everything I participated in
[17:01] <popey> dholbach: no, not what I'm saying
[17:01] <popey> it says "presenter: alan pope"
[17:01] <dpm> mhall119, do you know who is doing the cloud and developent track summaries?
[17:01] <popey> then a load of stuff I don't know about
[17:01] <dholbach> popey, that's what I meant
[17:01] <popey> I can certainly write up what I do know, but I'm not about to talk about SDK stuff... will tim present that?
[17:01] <dholbach> popey, he could write up a short summary
[17:02] <dholbach> it's just 2-3 sentences about the outcomes of a session
[17:02] <dpm> popey, generally there is only one track lead at the end of the session. None of the track leads have been to all sessions, that's why we ask everyone else to write the summaries for them
[17:02] <dholbach> popey, I'll make dpm read out a lot of funny things too, so don't worry
[17:02] <dpm> popey, mhall119, not sure who of you two wants to do the final summary
[17:02]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[17:03] <dpm> the thing with the summaries is that there's generally way too much detail
[17:03] <mhall119> popey: you want me to do it? i know it's late in the day for you
[17:03]  * dholbach hugs dpm back
[17:03] <silverlion> o/
[17:04]  * popey types stuff into the box
[17:06] <balloons> dpm, yep I'l do users
[17:06] <dpm> awesome
[17:06] <balloons> yes I would concur with dpm on length.. short and sweet, don't talk about every session in length
[17:15] <belkinsa> Who ever is the owner of the summaries doc, I sent an request via my belkinsa@ubuntu.com e-mail to edit
[17:16] <dholbach> belkinsa, shared
[17:33] <dpm> balloons, could you add a few words to the "Improving manual testing" session on the community track summary doc?
[17:37] <popey> dpm: you running the reminders session?
[17:37] <dpm> popey, yep
[17:37] <popey> kk
[17:38] <popey> ok, put notes in the doc for all the sessions I was in, kept it brief.
[17:38] <popey> mhall119: are you sure? Would be great to get away from the keyboard for a bit.
[17:39] <belkinsa> Pardon for me for only having notes for one session.  I was at others but I didn't take any notes.
[17:39] <belkinsa> Shame on me.
[17:39] <belkinsa> :)
[17:40] <mhall119> popey: sure, you've earned it :)
[17:41] <popey> thanks.
[17:41] <popey> belkinsa: adding a line to the ubuntu women session
[17:42] <belkinsa> Okay
[17:42] <belkinsa> I don't mind, I just copied it from the blog post
[17:42] <popey> kk
[17:43] <belkinsa> Fixed that line a bit
[17:49] <mhall119> balloons: are you doing the Users track summary?
[17:51] <dholbach> all rightie, need to rush to the concert - have a great end of UOS and a great weekend!
[17:51] <belkinsa> dholbach, have fun!
[17:51]  * belkinsa hugs dholbach
[17:51] <dholbach> thanks belkinsa
[17:51]  * dholbach hugs you all back :)
[17:52] <mhall119> dpm: are you doing the community track summary?
[17:52] <dpm> mhall119, yep
[17:52] <mhall119> cool
[17:52] <balloons> mhall119, yes I am
[17:52] <dpm> mhall119, I've put the presenters in the doc. We still need to get confirmation from gaughen for Cloud. She says she's got a conflicting meeting
[17:53] <mhall119> gaughen has confirmed
[17:53] <dpm> balloons, not sure if you saw the ping earlier - can you add a few words to the Improving manual testing session on the summary doc?
[17:53] <mhall119> but she needs to go first
[17:54] <mhall119> is will confirmed?
[17:54] <balloons> dpm, sure
[17:54] <dpm> cool, thanks!
[17:54] <dpm> mhall119, yes, will is confirmed
[17:54] <mhall119> great, we're all set then
[18:31] <jono> mhall119, FYI: http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/11/14/ubuntu-governance-reboot/
[18:33] <mhall119> jono: will read after uos
[18:33] <jono> mhall119,  no worries :-)
[18:33] <jono> just wanted to give you a heads up, there may be some chatter
[18:33] <pleia2> ouch
[18:33] <jono> it is designed to kick off a constructive discussion about leadership
[18:33] <jono> pleia2, ouch?
[18:34] <pleia2> the CC has been working to be proactive for over a year now, every meeting we have at least 2 check ins with teams
[18:34] <pleia2> it's uncovered a lot of issues, we've been able to follow up on a lot now that we check in with them every cycle
[18:34] <pleia2> that's not reactive
[18:34] <jono> pleia2, that is awesome, but it is again maintenance
[18:35] <pleia2> I welcome suggestions for improvements, but a broad "you're just being reactive" is pretty unfair
[18:35] <jono> I am referring to inspirational leadership and forging new directions
[18:35] <jono> brb
[18:35] <mhall119> pleia2: I hope you're not arguing with jono while you should be relaxing by a pool somewhere
[18:35] <pleia2> the board have no power to be inspirational and forging new directions, Canonical does
[18:35] <mhall119> or by a fireplace, depending on where you are
[18:35] <pleia2> s/board/boards
[18:35] <pleia2> mhall119: I missed my flight :(
[18:35] <pleia2> flying out tonight instead
[18:35] <mhall119> ah, right, I saw that, that sucks
[18:36] <pleia2> anyway, I actually do have better things to do than being blindsided by a blog post :) so back to that
[18:39] <pleia2> jono: and also, I encourage you to start a thread on our community list if you want to talk about this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-community-team
[18:44] <jono> pleia2, I would hardly call this blindsiding, I am sharing feedback and perspective
[18:45] <jono> I am not asking people to agree with me
[18:45] <jono> and the goal of this is to start a conversation
[18:47]  * elfy wonders why you weren't able to start the discussion when you were part of the 'issue' 
[18:47] <jono> elfy, I have shared this viewpoint before
[18:48] <jono> but to be honest, I was so busy with other things I didn't have time to really dig into it
[18:48] <jono> and I was also, I think, biased
[18:48] <jono> I saw things through rose-colored lenses
[18:48] <jono> now I have been out of Canonical for a little bit I see things a little differently
[18:50] <elfy> that just sounds rather convenient to me I'm afraid
[18:50] <jono> elfy, convenient?
[18:50] <elfy> wait until you're not able to actually do anything about 'issue' and then use your position to shout it out
[18:51] <jono> who says I am not able to do anything about it?
[18:51] <elfy> obviously that's your prerogative
[18:51] <jono> I am a community member
[18:51] <jono> and a core value in Ubuntu is sharing ideas and perspectives
[18:51] <jono> this is precisely what I am doing
[18:52] <jono> and I am happy to participate in helping to craft a new charter
[18:52] <pleia2> jono: we use mailing lists, irc meetings and Hangouts for discussions, a blog post is a proclaimation that puts us on uneven ground and doesn't provide a proper mechanism for discussion, you offered no "let's talk about this $other-place" or anything, just your judgements
[18:52] <jono> and engage in the discussion
[18:52] <jono> pleia2, as I said, this is designed to kickstart a discussion, I think identifying a place to discuss it makes perfect sense
[18:52] <pleia2> I'm not going to have this discussion on a personal blog
[18:52] <jono> fine, then lets have it somewhere else
[18:52] <pleia2> so please, use one of the mechanisms we have in place for this kind of thing
[18:53] <jono> wow, I am surprised how defensive a tone there is here
[18:53] <belkinsa> Welcome back pleia2!
[18:54] <pleia2> belkinsa: thanks :) my flight leaves in a few hours for a proper vacation so hopefully I'm not here for long!
[18:54] <silverlion> jono : do you mind an outside view?
[18:54] <jono> silverlion, I welcome it! :-)
[18:54] <belkinsa> pleia2, the Ubuntu Women is set for this cycle
[18:54] <pleia2> belkinsa: glad to hear it!
[18:55] <silverlion> I'm quite a new member to the community here but I've been following your work as a community manager very closely
[18:55] <belkinsa> It's blogged but not e-mailed the list
[18:55] <silverlion> and I get it that you've done quite a lot for the community so nothing to say against that
[18:55] <jono> btw, I am going to start a discussion on ubuntu-community-team and link it from my blog post, as pleia2  suggests
[18:55] <pleia2> jono: I don't have a problem with this discussion, I think it's a good and healthy one to have, just the way you've gone about it is very confrontational
[18:56] <dpm> mhall119, are you setting up the ubuntuonair hangout, or shall I?
[18:56] <pleia2> jono: thanks
[18:56] <belkinsa> And one
[18:56] <silverlion> but after reading your blog twice (to understand it in my native language) I must say that I can understand both position... yours and "the other side"
[18:56] <silverlion> pleia2 : +1 from me for that
[18:56] <jono> pleia2, how is it confrontational? I shared a viewpoint on my blog, which appears on Planet Ubuntu, I made it *very clear* I respect the efforts of our council members (I made that point twice) and made it clear that this focused on the *charter*
[18:57] <jono> silverlion, I think there are always two sides, and I don't even think this is about sides
[18:57]  * balloons finishes jono's post and finds others already on it in here!
[18:57] <jono> it is about having a conversation about a better future
[18:57] <dpm> mhall119, ok, I'll start it
[18:57] <mhall119> dpm: can you? I just got off the last session
[18:57] <jono> we just need to decide what that future looks like
[18:57] <mhall119> thanks man
[18:57] <silverlion> jono : that's why I've put it in "
[18:57] <jono> silverlion, :-)
[18:58] <silverlion> jono : I totally agree with you that the community should adapt the presence and even look in the future to be preped
[18:58] <silverlion> but forgive me my words but I would have been pissed off too when I was part of a council
[18:59] <silverlion> but to get this to an end: can we agree that the subject is needed but the timing and "how to" got wrong?
[18:59] <silverlion> I mean we all agreed to have a discussion here on IRC or on hangout. that's what jono wanted
[18:59] <silverlion> nuff said from my pov
[19:01] <jono> pleia2, discussion started, blog updated
[19:03] <pleia2> thank you
[19:04] <jono> np
[19:06] <jono> silverlion, yep
[19:08] <silverlion> jono : once again it was not my intention to offend hope you did not get that one wrong ;)
[19:09] <jono> silverlion, not offended at all! :-)
[19:09] <jono> and remember, I may well be wrong on some of this stuff
[19:09] <popey> NO WAY!
[19:09] <popey> :D
[19:09] <jono> my goal here is not to say "I am right", make it happen, just to share a perspective to start a discussion
[19:09] <jono> popey, it rarely happens :-)
[19:18] <balloons> ^^ keyword here is rarely
[19:18] <balloons> :p
[19:48] <jono> balloons, :-)