=== m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [04:27] Good morning [05:59] pitti: wow, you were up very early today. Good morning! [05:59] hey larsu [05:59] yeah, couldn't sleep any more :) [06:33] mhall119 I have an idea for a new hardware bios, not sure how or where to ask for help [07:54] good morning [07:55] * larsu waves to didrocks [07:55] happy Friday larsu! [07:55] thanks! [08:06] hey didrocks, bonjour -- c'est tard pour toi ! [08:08] pitti: oui, j'ai regardé une émission scientifique sur rosetta ce matin :) [08:08] didrocks: héhé, comme moi hier matin :) [08:10] good morning desktopers [08:10] hey didrocks pitti [08:10] bonjour seb128 ! [08:10] wie gehts? [08:10] happy friday! [08:11] salut seb128 [08:11] bon vendredi :) === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [08:32] larsu, is your gtk/o-s scrollbar the bug Laney assigned you which has a mp up for review? === dupondje_ is now known as dupondje [08:58] seb128: hm, which one is that? [08:59] btw, this is not merhed yet? https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/overlay-scrollbar/only-enable-for-supported-themes/+merge/228666 [09:01] morning all [09:01] larsu, bug #1386255 [09:01] bug 1386255 in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu) "devhelp and many other apps crash with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() due to overlay-scrollbars" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386255 [09:01] willcooke, hey [09:02] willcooke: morning! [09:03] hey hey hey HEY [09:03] hi Laney [09:04] I mean, hi hi hi HI [09:05] what's up [09:05] tiredness [09:05] hey Laney, happy friday! how are you? [09:06] pretty alright, but my emails haven't come through yet ;-) [09:07] only 47! [09:09] pitti: thanks for the LO retry [09:13] seb128: nice, that's it. No need for me to file a bug then :) [09:13] larsu, shame that you didn't notice earlier, it has been opened/assigned for some days [09:13] but good that it's an easy fix ;-) [09:14] larsu, the theme enabled o-s changes didn't land no, I was unsure in what orders things were supposed to land and then got busy on other things and forgot about it [09:14] we should land those this cycle though [09:14] right, no worries [09:14] theme needs to go first I guess [09:14] let's land it now, though [09:15] seb128: yes, otherwise light-themes won't have o-s enabled until o-s gets updated [09:15] k, makes sense [09:44] Moin! [09:44] [moin] [09:44] hey Sweet5hark [09:45] * Sweet5hark wonders if we should play the IRC variant of a new hip game here. Rules go like this: send /me too or be kicked from the channel in 24 hours. [09:45] probably not. Its not Friday yet. [09:46] * seb128 tries to figure out where Sweet5hark is living [09:46] seb128: the past [09:46] it's like 2 hours before California, is that middle of the pacific ocean? [09:47] larsu, or that ;-) [09:47] seb128: hrhr [09:47] seb128: actually I am quite close to you and didrocks right now. Sitting in a hotel lobby in Toulouse. [09:48] south of France? [09:48] close from didrocks then ;-) [09:48] you are probably closer from me when you are at home [09:48] Sweet5hark, what are you doing in Toulouse? [09:49] seb128: probably?! [09:50] ah wait, you're not in France right now, are you? :P [09:50] * seb128 was waiting for this one :p [09:50] pffffffff [09:50] seb128: HAHA [09:50] seb128: still closer, you're right [09:50] larsu, either way, doesn't make a difference [09:50] 5 hours by train, how that can be close? :) [09:50] seb128: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014 [09:50] but I don't remember where Sweet5hark lives in germany [09:50] deepest bavaria [09:50] seb128: in the north (Hamburg) [09:51] Laney: NO!1!!one!!eleven [09:51] larsu, Metz<->Berlin ~ Metz <-> Toulouse [09:51] but Bavaria is closer [09:51] Laney: bavaria isnt even germany [09:51] right [09:51] :D [09:51] Sweet5hark: ts ts [09:51] oh [09:51] bavaria is as german as you can get if you listen to people not living in Germany [09:52] google maps iteneraries include flights now! [09:52] probably more people know about oktoberfest than the existence of Hamburg :P [09:52] haha [09:52] Berlin-Metz = 800km [09:52] I think it is a valued piece of German culture for lots of Brits, indeed [09:52] Toulouse-Metz=930km [09:52] so yeah, Toulouse is further either way [09:53] larsu: well, probably more people now about "Hamburger" as food. Just not the origin of that word (Fischbroetchen of german immigrants in the US) [09:53] I've been told about some "fest of the strong beer" happening also in like february [09:53] is that a famous one as well? [09:53] Sweet5hark: certainly :) [09:54] seb128: it's year round. We call it "a weekday" [09:54] ummmmmmmm february german sprint? [09:54] lol [09:54] Laney: I'd prefer Berlin to Germany [09:54] ha [09:54] you make a similar distinction as I do with London :p [09:55] you Berlin snob! [09:55] seb128: thats likely carnival in the rhine/ruhr area. They dont have any other reason to have fun there, so they made up a reason to get drunk. [09:55] Laney: but the other way around [09:55] Sweet5hark, does that have a german name? [09:55] Laney: you like !London, I dislike !Berlin [09:55] I think the people /in/ London are the same [09:55] ya [09:56] seb128: ... which actually involves people dressing up in fancy fantasy uniforms which is a tradition that goes back to making fun of the french occupation in napoleonic times ... [09:56] I've never heard anyone that lives in London responding to "Where do you live?" with "in England" [09:56] so yeah... [09:56] Sweet5hark, I guess it's Starkbierzeit [09:56] http://www.beerfestivals.org/articles/dest/munich_strong_beer.html [09:57] beerfestivals.org. of course that exists [09:57] :-) [09:58] Sweet5hark, you are probably right, that page mentions Napoleon as well [09:58] you guys just like to hate on the french! [09:59] ever been there? ;-) [09:59] seb128: no hate on the french from Hamburg. Napoleon gave us one of the biggest red light and party districts of europe. Not complaining. [10:00] hehe [10:01] psst, I don't think they really like Napoleon anymore [10:02] you haters! [10:02] the poor guy tried to build Europe [10:03] seb128: thats what Merkel does these days! [10:03] *cough* [10:03] :-) [10:03] good that it's friday ;-) [10:04] :D [10:12] * Sweet5hark is living on the edge today: Lets see if this hotelwifi kickbans me for 2 LibreOffice source uploads in a row ... [10:13] happyaron, hey, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/ubuntu/trusty/ibus/lp1240198/+merge/241742 ? [10:18] Laney, pitti, does https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-lp1337200/+merge/241749 make sense to you? [10:18] "Disconnect from upower on suspend and connect on resume" [10:18] I commented on the other version [10:18] that shouldn't be needed... [10:18] hum [10:18] I wonder why I sometime don't get those emails [10:18] I didn't get your comment [10:19] and I'm pretty sure I didn't delete it [10:19] oh, found it [10:19] Laney, thanks [10:19] Laney, do you understand why the disconnected is needed? [10:19] that seems like a workaround to me [10:20] if the system is suspended the code shouldn't be running anyway? [10:20] The application receives all of the signals when it resumes [10:21] Although actually, I'm a bit confused [10:21] we only subscribed to device-added and device-removed [10:21] why are those sent so much? [10:22] yeah, that seems like the real issue [10:22] no such signal should happen while the device is suspended [10:22] or in normal use [10:22] ah [10:23] they aren't [10:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1337200/comments/28 [10:23] Launchpad bug 1337200 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "High CPU due to excessive device changed signals from upower" [High,In progress] [10:23] pitti suggested this in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1337200/comments/27 [10:26] wow, that sounds ridiculous. Why would the kernel generate that many events? [10:27] ya... [10:27] right [10:28] those changes feel like a workaround, other clients are going to have the same issue [10:28] we need to fix the kernel or driver or whatever generate the noise [10:28] having upower filter them will already help a lot [10:28] but it's still unnecessary wakeups (of upower) [10:28] every 10s... [10:30] seb128: I saw the MP, and based on ken's theory yesterday it makes sense; however, we didn't actually confirm that one [10:30] seb128: I sent some log requests (udevadm, upower --monitor-detail, dbus-monitor) to the bug report which would prove or disprove that theory [10:30] pitti, does it mean we need similar workaround in every single upower consumer codebase? [10:30] that seems crazy [10:30] seb128: however, ken then said that system-settings doesnt' actually listen to battery change events [10:31] so that rather tends to "disprove" [10:31] right [10:31] we listen to added/removed iirc [10:31] seb128: yeah, and those just don't happen often enough to explain this [10:31] so I think we are back to "someone pretty pleeeeease collect some logs" [10:31] does powerd use upower? [10:31] yes [10:31] could be this then [10:31] Laney: it even subscribes to change signals [10:32] as that bit required some porting [10:32] oh yes, this was what I noticed the other day [11:07] seb128: are you in ayatana-scrollbar-team? I reviewed and tested the patch for bug #1386255, but can't top-approve [11:07] bug 1386255 in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu) "devhelp and many other apps crash with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() due to overlay-scrollbars" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386255 [11:10] seb128: yes I can, but I'm still hesitate with that change [11:42] screw this - I'm putting the heating on [11:42] Hi, I see there is a patch to fix the gnome-terminal transparency issue [11:42] bug 1292282 [11:42] bug 1292282 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "background transparency is not working on gnome terminal" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292282 [11:42] I guess if somebody can use this one https://bug695371.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=274727 [11:44] debian/patches/0001-Restore-transparency.patch [11:45] LocutusOfBorg1: I don't understand the problem [11:45] can you explain it? [11:46] the 0001-Restore-transparency.patch is just a revert AFAICS [11:47] no [11:48] so what is the difference with the patch I linked above? [11:48] following the upstream bug discussion seems the best patch https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695371 [11:48] Gnome bug 695371 in Profiles "Transparent option disappears in 3.7.x" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] [11:49] I'm wondering if we can replace it with a (better?) more minimal and more tested patch... [11:50] Our patch adds proper UI back, and it's the one Fedora has. [11:50] It's http://debarshiray.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/transparent-terminals-back-in-fedora/ [11:52] And the LP bug talks about gnome-terminal 3.6 which still had the option upstream [11:52] Soooo I think there's some confusion [11:52] gnome 3.6 has the option, but doesn't work [11:55] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/gt.png [11:58] doesn't work on gnome-shell [12:01] let's talk in here [12:02] I think it's best if you work with Ubuntu GNOME guys for shell specific issues [12:02] so, LocutusOfBorg1 meet darkxst [12:02] thanks, I wasn't aware this was a gnome shell bug :/ [12:03] no worries, it was confusing at first [12:04] moreover upstream closed it as "wontfix" [12:04] so I didn't ever try to use with unity === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:59] Laney, can you give me some bullet points from the release planning session for the summary plenary? [12:59] Laney: this is the source of your g-t troubles, btw: https://git.gnome.org/browse/vte/commit/?id=cb038a92719f0c84460ceed78a4197e798633a5d [13:00] Laney: "use color from theme" means explicitly "use @theme_bg_color" [13:00] willcooke: release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule [13:00] Laney: with a higher prio than Ambiance, because it comes from the application === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:00] Laney, perfect. [13:01] larsu: interesting, can we re-override it in gt? [13:01] Laney: yes, but we might as well in g-t, no? [13:01] ? [13:01] what's the issue here? We want purple, not @theme_bg_color? [13:02] but we want that purple specified by the theme? [13:02] right [13:02] weird [13:02] the theme knowing about applications is wrong imo [13:03] * didrocks goes for a run before the rain [13:03] we could either patch vte to not insert @theme_bg_color but something like @theme_terminal_bg_color [13:03] didrocks: enjoy! [13:03] thanks :) [13:04] Laney: I actually don't have another non-insane solution [13:04] … or not just started to rain :( [13:04] suck it up! [13:04] :P === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:05] well, it's not a light rain though [13:06] Laney: on second thought, vte putting this in there is stupid [13:46] Laney: why do we want the color specified by the theme? Ambiance and Radiance use the same color... [13:46] can't we just ship a default profile for gnome-terminal? [13:46] seb128: ^^ ? [13:47] i thought there was commented out ambieance/radiance themes for gnome-terminal which are different [13:48] and there was a request to enable the other one. [13:48] erm [13:48] you want to disable the "Use colours from system theme" support, which is upstream? [13:50] no, I want the "system theme" to not include colors specific to one application [13:50] thinking about it, when I chose "system theme", I really want the bg color of the rest of the apps, no? [13:52] It means that the "system theme" defines a default background colour for terminal windows [13:57] Laney: meh. I'm just trying to avoid patching [13:57] could ask chpe's opinion about this :D [13:57] I think it should be valid, as it always has been up to now, for the theme to say that it wants a specific colour for terminal screens [13:58] would it break if the vte one had a lower priority than the theme? [13:58] no [13:58] but would be a patch [13:58] I guess you're right, though. This should at least be possible [13:58] hahaha [13:59] the Egmont (?) guy seems nice [13:59] Egmont? [13:59] other vte maintainer [13:59] don't know him [13:59] he's been commenting on some LP bugs [13:59] do you know his nick? [14:00] I don't [14:00] This guy: https://launchpad.net/~egmont-gmail [14:01] * Laney tries a patched vte === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:03] Laney: install the provider with GTK_STYLE_PROVIDER_PRIORITY_FALLBACK [14:03] exactly that [14:03] ^5 [14:04] indeed, that fixes it [14:05] I hesitate to file an upstream bug, as noone ever answers those [14:07] I don't fully understand the issue the breaking change was meant to fix [14:07] otherwise I would do it [14:07] Adwaita removed a terminal/vte specific rule in favour of using @theme_base_color? [14:07] apparently [14:08] but really, vte should set the background class to get those [14:08] instead of having its own rule [14:09] but I guess it does all its drawing itself, without gtkstylecontext [14:11] Laney: ya. Want to go with the PRIORIY_FALLBACK patch for now? [14:14] larsu: Lemme think [14:15] It's right to use FALLBACK because you actually do want to let the theme override this, and it's going to work because Adwaita doesn't have a VteTerminal rule [14:15] 'kay, I'll submit this after lunch [14:15] biab [14:15] yes [14:15] cool [14:36] ok, I finally risk for a run outside, wish me luck! :) [14:37] didrocks, oh, it made you bail out earlier? ;-) [14:37] good luck! [14:37] seb128: well, it was a really heavy rain :) [14:37] I see [14:38] south of France is not what it used to be: [14:38] ! [14:38] and even if I'm not made from sugar last time I checked, I prefer to avoid catching a cold :) [14:38] exactly ! [14:38] It's not like Toulouse :p === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [14:38] ;-) [14:48] Hello, Marco, I'm here again. [14:50] short introduction: I'm making freshplayerplugin, a wrapper which allow using PepperFlash from Chrome in Firefox. [14:50] Recently there was a discussion on Ubuntu summit about Flash Player's EOL in 2017 and what to do with it. [14:51] seb128: did you see my ping about the overlay-scrollbar patch earlier? [14:51] So if there are questions about it, feel free to ask, I'll try to answer. [14:52] larsu, yeah, sorry but I'm not part of that team either :/ [14:52] ok, I'll embark on the quest to become one [14:53] larsu, https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-scrollbar-team/+members [14:53] because really, nobody seems to be maintaining it [14:53] right [14:53] you can get kenvandine or didrocks or tedg to approve it, it seems [14:53] kenvandine: hi! Can you add me to ~ayatana-scrollbar-team s.v.p.? [14:53] didrocks: ^^ ? [14:53] oh, he's running [14:53] yeah [14:54] Cimi is also an admin *cough* [14:54] * tedg doesn't respond to French acronyms [14:54] tedg: would've asked you, but you're not admin [14:54] tedg: also, hi [14:54] * tedg just added larsu [14:55] nice! tedg has superpowers [14:55] thanks ;) [14:55] np [14:55] I guess that doesn't have auto merging turned on? [14:55] that concept doesn't exist anymore [14:56] because ci merges when tests pass? [14:56] larsu, Sorry, I mean: pas de probléme (according to Google translate) ;-) [14:56] tedg, how did you do that without being an admin? did you hack into kenvandine's account? ;-) [14:56] haha :) [14:56] omg. tedg and kenvandine are the same person! [14:56] larsu, no, because things go through ci train when you click buttons to publish and merge [14:56] larsu, Have you ever seen us together? [14:56] larsu, I knew something was going on between those 2! [14:57] seb128, I imagine I'm in a team that is admin. [14:57] seb128: ah, but for this I need to merge manually? [14:57] tedg: no! [14:57] tedg: oh wait, yes I have... [14:57] NO! [14:57] lol [14:57] :D [14:57] i'm much better looking :) [14:57] larsu, "manually"? no, somebody needs to do a train landing like for anything else [14:58] * tedg grows a beard to be as sexy as kenvandine [14:58] I was going to say :p [14:58] is all the beard! [14:58] seb128: complicated. Want to do it for me? :P [14:58] larsu, sure can, I'm going to delay a bit though [14:58] it's so much more than the beard [14:58] seb128: ya, no worries. Just making sure it's being taken care of at some point [14:58] larsu, trying to land the theme first so we can include the key/theme support [14:58] makes sense [14:59] kenvandine: it's the beard. [14:59] * larsu is in the know now that he has one [14:59] * seb128 is working on that as well [14:59] kenvandine, I'm not going to say that larsu was talking smack, but he did mention that his is bigger. [14:59] beard ftw! [14:59] haha [14:59] willcooke: i-rinat is the plugin guy [15:01] seb128: oh yeah! === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:02] thanks Trevinho, hi i-rinat [15:02] hi [15:06] willcooke: Trevinho proposed to ping you for discussion. But I don't know what about particularly :) [15:06] :) [15:06] He was talking to me about your flash wrapper [15:07] It's in a PPA at the moment, right? [15:07] I'd like to have a play with it [15:07] also, any news on the HW accel video playback? [15:10] There are couple of PPA I know about, https://launchpad.net/~andykimpe/+archive/ubuntu/freshplayerplugin-daily and https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/ubuntu/freshplayerplugin [15:10] But I don't do any packaging myself. [15:10] ok, no worries [15:11] I'll have a play with it and see if we can work out how it should fit in with our overall flash strategy [15:12] I didn't touch HW accel decoding yet. [15:12] ok, I was getting excited when I read about it :) [15:13] There are two kinds of hardware acceleration, one is HW decode, other is HW presentation. [15:14] I implemented 3d interface, which is used by PepperFlash to do scaling. But it's disabled by default — there some rendering issues for offscreen EGL pixmaps. [15:15] You can enable it by adding "enable_3d = 1" line to ~/.config/freshwrapper.conf [15:16] i-rinat: yes, that's a little bugged now (unless you enable EGL rendering) [15:17] Trevinho: if you have Gallium based driver, adding "EGL_DRIVER=egl_dri2" to environment may help. [15:19] willcooke: as far as I know, desktop version of Chrome (and Chromium) have HW decode disabled. [15:20] ok [16:02] back and avoided the rain \o/ [16:03] dodged the drops one by one [16:03] The One [16:04] tedg: « pas de problème » actually [16:05] tedg: but, as you are coming from Texas, I guess the accent can match people pronouncing "bléme" ;) [16:05] Ha! GOOGLE!!!!! [16:06] tedg: maybe it's Texan Google messing up with you? Here it's translated to "pas de problème" :) [16:13] Oh, I probably used the compose key incorrectly. [16:15] what a weird keyboard layout if you need a compose key for é or è… ;) [16:16] qengho, what's happening with the chrome / chromium gpu-process startup crash I mentioned before? :) [16:23] chrisccoulson: is it the i9xx bug? [16:23] qengho, yeah [16:27] chrisccoulson: hey! while you are around: is the appmenu patches for firefox an extension or just a patch? [16:27] didrocks, it's a patch [16:27] chrisccoulson: context: I was thinking about integration the firefox developer edition to udtc [16:27] but for that, I can't really apply a patch on the fly as we dl binaries [16:27] chrisccoulson: I thought it was better. I haven't seen it lately. I'm using a Haswell i915 right now. [16:27] chrisccoulson: ok, I'm sad panda then ;) [16:28] didrocks, well, they repurposed the aurora channel as the developer edition, which is packaged here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora [16:29] that does replace the stock firefox though [16:29] brb, reboot [16:30] chrisccoulson: you do apply the patches automatically daily? [16:30] didrocks, yeah, it's all there [16:30] chrisccoulson: interesting, so I should just link udtc to add that ppa and install from there I guess [16:30] thanks :) [16:31] chrisccoulson: back! [16:38] qengho, it's still broken here. If I delete my profile and restart, I see "GPU process was unable to boot: GPU access is disabled in chrome://settings" and "GpuProcessHostUIShim: The GPU process crashed!" in chrome://gpu [16:39] "Disabled Features: all" [16:39] I can't even use webgl, and trying to watch videos with it is painful [16:42] qengho, chrisccoulson: I hit it daily [16:46] mdeslaur, it's not just every day for me - it's every time I start chrome (or chromium). it hasn't worked since I upgraded to utopic [16:46] mdeslaur, qengho, interestingly, it doesn't crash if I run it with --in-process-gpu [16:47] or --no-sandbox [16:48] chrisccoulson, mdeslaur: That's the problem, the GPU driver tries to do more than the chrome-sandbox allows. [16:48] chromium trigger an apport prompt every time I start it here [16:48] not sure it's the same issue [16:48] chrisccoulson: I only open chromium once a day to try something out :P [16:48] seb128: me 2 [16:49] mdeslaur, qengho, I'm just going to keep opening and closing chrome until google notice it (it sends 3 crashdumps each time) :) [16:49] chrisccoulson: oh! you can script that :) [16:49] yeah, I was just thinking that [16:49] lol [16:50] brute-forcing a bugfix, nice :) [16:50]