[01:11] <nicole> Good Morning all
[01:12] <nicole> Is it possible to use a mobile phone  to boot only linux kernal?
[01:15] <sarnold> a kernel without applications is not much use..
[01:16] <nicole> application? apache httpd, php
[01:17] <nicole> myql client
[01:17] <sarnold> or bash.. :)
[01:18] <nicole> either bash or sh
[01:19] <nicole> just a DIY project,
[01:21] <nicole> http://www.gsmarena.com/karbonn_a21-5189.php havin this mobile, its touch screen has gone bad, and the service provider says equivalent to another phone cost
[01:24] <sarnold> nicole: hmm, it might be hard to use unless you've turned on developer mode in android, that requires tapping something specific seven times, and then it unlocks and you can re-flash afterwards. I don't know if ubuntu touch will work on it or not, or if cyogenmod or similarwould be a better fit..
[01:24] <sarnold> nicole: but I think nearly evreything interesting would involve it already being unlocked
[01:27] <nicole> sarnold: i am really dumb on this android, just was thinking like vennila kernal installing on X86 PC
[01:29] <sarnold> nicole: ARM systems are different enough from simple PCs -- and the android OS on it isn't really designed to make it easy to switch to something else
[01:29] <nicole> oh!
[01:30] <nicole> i am sorry for silly question, thanks for your time sarnold
[01:30] <sarnold> nicole: look at this, see if you've got some options.. http://download.cyanogenmod.org/
[01:31] <sarnold> nicole: I don't know if unlocking is supported on all devices or not; it requires tapping on something specific in the android configuration options seven times, then you can use 'adb' to connect to it and do things, such as reflash or add ssh or whatever..
[01:32] <nicole> instead of android is it not possible to use wi-fi lib's enabled kernel and the bootloader something like grub?
[01:33] <sarnold> arm systems don't use grub; I -think- the kernel (and maybe initramfs?) must be flashed to a specific part of memory. it's much less flexible than PCs.
[02:05] <nicole> got it sarnold: thanks for your patience in explaining
[02:06] <sarnold> nicole: does it look like you can do something useful with your phone?
[02:07] <nicole> sarnold: no, on top of android only we can use
[02:08] <sarnold> nicole: oh :( that's too bad
[02:09] <nicole> might be let me try something like disable GUI and use headless android :)
[02:10] <nicole> sarnold: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-platform/XEDzxDGiFJA
[02:11] <sarnold> nicole: oh, cool, I hadn't heard of headless android before
[02:27] <nicole> sarnold: so far finding only emulator kind of documents related to Headless android,
[02:27] <nicole> sarnold: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/abs2014_headless_gbisson_0.pdf
[08:59] <mardy> mzanetti: hi! Yesterday you filed bug 1392380; I played a bit with it, and now I cannot access it anymore; can you please set it to public?
[09:02] <mzanetti> mardy: you should have access again now :)
[09:25] <dslul> is anyone of the community maintaining the ubuntu touch devel for the nexus 7 2012?
[09:29] <popey> dslul: its not longer supported by us.
[09:31] <dslul> popey: yes i know, i wonder if there is anyone who continued to mantain it from the community, though i couldn't find anything on the internet
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Loosen Up, Lighten Up Day! :-D
[10:32] <matv1> another weird osk thing. in terminal-app underscores don't show up and after an underscore the next character is blank as well.  an anyone confirm that? (latest promoted rtm)
[10:48] <matv1> sorry to bring that up 3 hours away from the UOS terminal app session ;)
[11:01] <mpt> patriciadavila, bug 1390136
[13:07] <seb128> mpt, your locale issue is sort of a duplicate of bug #1248349, not easy to mark it as such when you made it affect different components though :/
[13:09] <seb128> hum, maybe not that bug, but I think we already had reports about that
[14:30] <seb128> kenvandine, didn't you say you would commit directly a pot update for rtm u-s-s?
[14:31] <kenvandine> seb128, not that i recall :)
[14:32] <seb128> kenvandine, guess, maybe a misundestanding then
[14:32] <kenvandine> seb128, you mean to the rtm branch?  is anything pulling templates from there?
[14:32] <seb128> yes and launchpad
[14:32] <kenvandine> or maybe i misunderstood you :)
[14:32] <seb128> context is bug #1389786
[14:32] <kenvandine> yeah, i was talking to rvr about that
[14:33] <kenvandine> so it pulls templates from both branches already?
[14:33] <kenvandine> i thought the build fix from you fixed this?
[14:33] <seb128> well, launchpad has series
[14:33] <seb128> the rtm langpacks use the rtm vcs pot
[14:33] <kenvandine> and we only pushed them to bzr for dpm's tracking tool?
[14:33] <seb128> trunk uses the trunk one
[14:33] <seb128> well
[14:34] <seb128> the build fix is only in vivid
[14:34] <kenvandine> and we didn't land this in rtm
[14:34] <seb128> and vivid translations are not enabled yet on launchpad
[14:34] <kenvandine> it just landed in vivid
[14:34] <seb128> right
[14:34] <seb128> wgrant said he would open vivid translations soon
[14:34] <kenvandine> ok, i can refresh the template and push
[14:34] <seb128> until that happen the template is not imported
[14:34] <seb128> k
[14:34] <seb128> I think that's the easiest solution
[14:34] <kenvandine> rvr, i'll do that after we land silo 3 ok?
[14:35] <rvr> kenvandine: Ok
[14:36] <kenvandine> rvr, thanks, started testing that yet?
[14:37] <rvr> kenvandine: I got an image to test first
[14:38] <kenvandine> rvr, just a bit stressed... our last top blocker for settings (for now) :-D
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, which one?
[14:39] <kenvandine> check.sync
[14:39] <seb128> ah
[14:39] <rvr> kenvandine: :))
[14:39] <kenvandine> been sitting waiting for verification a couple days... i thought it had to be in the image by yesterday
[14:46] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, pitti: i tried completely removing the battery plugin from settings and can still reproduce the upower bug on rtm
[14:47] <pitti> kenvandine: yeah, I think we are back to "we need udevadm/upower --monitor-detail/dbus-monitor logs when this happens"
[14:47] <kenvandine> i can watch top and see dbus-daemon load fluctuate, it never sleeps and if i wake the device when dbus-daemon is over 20%
[14:47] <kenvandine> system-settings completely hangs still
[14:47] <pitti> kenvandine: I think the only things listening to battery change events are indicator-power and powerd
[14:47] <kenvandine> and settings isn't even listening for upower events
[14:48] <kenvandine> i think it's just dbus-daemon is too loaded
[14:48] <kenvandine> pitti, right
[14:48] <kenvandine> and they never sleep now
[14:48] <kenvandine> when plugged in at least
[14:48] <pitti> kenvandine: I thought it would subscribe to add/remove?
[14:48] <kenvandine> pitti, i completely removed it
[14:48] <cfhowlett> can ubuntu touch run in virtualbox?  or similar tool?
[14:48] <kenvandine> but it still talks to dbus for other things
[14:48] <kenvandine> i think when dbus-daemon gets loaded up like this
[14:49] <kenvandine> and we have anything that blocks on a dbus call
[14:49] <kenvandine> we spin
[14:49] <kenvandine> we == settings
[14:49] <kenvandine> so not even talking to upower
[14:49] <seb128> kenvandine, did you get a bt when it's hanging?
[14:49] <kenvandine> but i think upower is what's loading
[14:49] <pitti> well, can we stop assuming and just get some logs? :-)
[14:49] <kenvandine> no, i can though
[14:50] <kenvandine> so some dbus-monitor logs?
[14:50] <pitti> udevadm/upower/dbus-monitor would all be helpful, I think
[14:50] <pitti> to see where the spamming is introduced and where it goes to, and what it consists of
[14:51] <pitti> our previous theory of queueing up bat change events was pretty sound, but testing with your MP apparently showed that it was wrong?
[14:57] <kenvandine> pitti, yeah, wrong :/
[14:57] <kenvandine> pitti, i'm collecting logs now
[14:58] <dobey> anyone running rtm-proposed image on mako?
[14:58] <dobey> (or on hammerhead)
[15:14] <matv1> swordfish90 thnx fr all the insight in terminal jst now!
[15:16] <matv1> swordfish90 but i just this morning ran into a bug that I dont see on LP
[15:16] <matv1> swordfish90 For some reason underscores are not showing up. I'm trying to figure out if its just me
[15:17] <swordfish90> glad to hear it has been insightful :D ... Thank you all for the participation...
[15:17] <matv1> swordfish90  np. i was there to learn mostly
[15:17] <swordfish90> matv1, are you using the current terminal-app or the one from reboot?
[15:17] <matv1> the current one
[15:18] <matv1> swordfish90 i am on latest promoted rtm
[15:18] <matv1> #7 i guess
[15:18] <kenvandine> pitti, i attached some logs to the bug and described what i saw while the logs were created
[15:19] <pitti> cool, thanks
[15:20] <matv1> swordfish90 I asked on here this morning if anyone could verify, but got nothing so far, so maybe i am thinking i have screwed up my device
[15:20] <swordfish90> matv1, Ok. Sadly the "missing character" is known. We'll see if you can reproduce it also on the reboot (because many things are changed there).
[15:21] <matv1> swordfish90  oh okay. So you dont need a bug report for that? If you want i am happy to fill one out
[15:21] <swordfish90> matv1, it's probably a font bug, but I'm not sure about that. Have you tried changing it?
[15:22] <matv1> swordfish90  i tried changing the size, i remember that was an issue at one time
[15:22] <matv1> loooong ago
[15:23] <matv1> trying now
[15:25] <matv1> swordfish90 no font changes dont seem to matter
[15:27] <swordfish90> Ok, please fill a bug and we will try this in a couple of weeks on reboot (when it is reasonable featureful), and we will see what I can do. Thank you for the feedback.
[15:29] <matv1> swordfish90 np and thank you!
[15:37] <skogshjort> Hey everyone!
[15:39] <skogshjort> We're trying to make use of the ubuntu qml components. We've got the ubuntu-ui-toolkit and have tried to compile/install it with qmake and make. Make do however say that there are unknown modules in organizer.. Any ideas?
[15:39] <bzoltan> skogshjort: why do you need to compile the toolkit?
[15:40] <bzoltan> skogshjort:  the components are available from the qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin package
[15:41] <skogshjort> I'm trying to tweak and make new components, and found out I'd like to use atom instead of the Ubuntu SDK :)
[15:42] <haasn> Ubuntu Touch comes with standard programs that are just HTML5 websites, right? Can I still use those if I don't have an internet connection, or how am I supposed to understand it?
[15:42] <bzoltan> skogshjort: I am not familiar with that atom. What is that?
[15:43] <haasn> Also, does Ubuntu Touch come with or support privacy technologies like GPG-encrypted e-mail clients, internet access via Tor or OpenVPN, or secure messaging via OTR messaging + IRC/XMPP?
[15:45] <haasn> I'm guessing I can just use those packages unmodified, as long as I compile them for ARM or whatever?
[15:45] <MacSlow> dandrader, I have a fix for bug 11 and 13 already... where do you want me to put that fix?
[15:46] <haasn> And lastly: Is it possible to run Ubuntu Touch in a VM so I can test it out before I buy a device?
[15:51] <bzoltan> haasn:  the Ubuntu SDK comes with an emulator. It as good as an emulator is. Also you can install the Ubuntu Touch on a nexus 4 - http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[15:52] <haasn> Can I (easily) use the emulator on distros other than Ubuntu, or do I have to start a virtual machine running Ubuntu so I can install it? :p
[15:53] <haasn> Clicking on “Ubuntu SDK” doesn't seem to bring up any content, for me
[15:53] <haasn> Oh, there's content on the sub-page
[15:55] <bzoltan> haasn: but if you need only an emulator than these instructions are for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[16:00] <dobey> haasn: webapps that just load remote sites require network, yes. html5 apps that are local apps written with css/js/html on cordova api, do not necessarily need network i think, depending on what they do.
[16:01] <dobey> haasn: there isn't really a "default" mail app yet. i think the gmail web app is installed by default, but that's just the gmail web site. openvpn is not on the phone yet either, and there is no UI to configure it, but it's definitely something we want to support i think. there's no irc/xmpp client yet either. there is a webapp for telegram or two in the store though i think.
[16:02] <haasn> Fair enough
[16:02] <haasn> How good is the terminal emulator? :p
[16:02] <dobey> using a terminal without a keyboard is a pain on any platform :)
[16:03] <dobey> i don't know how well mutt would work in it
[16:03] <haasn> I would have tried running weechat
[16:04] <dobey> on my nexus5 it doesn't seem to be 80 chars width (in portrait mode anyway)
[16:04] <dobey> so that's a bit annoying
[16:05] <dobey> oh, but looks like i can change the font size
[16:05] <dobey> didn't realize that. makes it much better at least
[16:07] <dobey> dekko is an e-mail app in the store. i don't know if it does gpg or not though
[16:34] <popey> ahayzen: ask cyphermox about bug 1241986
[16:35] <ahayzen> thanks popey :)
[16:35] <ahayzen> cyphermox, should I be able to connect to a MSCHAPV2 network? i've copied the file from system-connections and the .cer but when i click on it in the network indicator it just resets the indicator?
[16:37] <cyphermox> yeah, it should work
[16:37] <cyphermox> but the indicator probably won't show anything meaningful
[16:37] <cyphermox> it could well be trying to create a new network when you click it
[16:37] <ahayzen> cyphermox, any logs i can look at? as it just resets and then claims i'm on the other network
[16:37] <cyphermox> I'd rather use nmcli con up id "name of connection", and see if it connection
[16:38] <cyphermox> you can look at syslog
[16:38] <cyphermox> when you add a connection, you need to make sure the file has the proper permissions (root, 600) and that it doesn't contain the mac-address for your other computer, if it was copied
[16:39] <ahayzen> i changed the mac address and made it 600 and touched it
[16:39] <ahayzen> nothing appears in the syslog when i click on it
[16:41] <ahayzen> cyphermox, unless i did something wrong....i get $ nmcli con up id eduroam
[16:41] <ahayzen> Error: No suitable device found: no device found for connection 'eduroam'.
[16:41] <cyphermox> right
[16:41] <cyphermox> edit the file on your phone and remove the line mac-address=
[16:41] <ahayzen> ok :)
[16:42] <cyphermox> I know about this and know it works because I use eduroam too :)
[16:42] <ahayzen> its asking for my password....didn't accept it on first attempt...
[16:43] <ahayzen> yeah keeps asking for the password even though i think it is right
[16:43] <ahayzen> you don't have to register that specific device through connect@brookes hmmm
[16:43] <robotfuel> Kaleo: ping, do you know how can I enable/disable the camera app hint to swipe for photo roll? (for testing)
[16:44] <cyphermox> ahayzen: check your file some more, eduroam is usually set up on your desktop to save the password to the keyring, so it wouldn't be in the file
[16:44] <Kaleo> robotfuel, it's set in the configuration file: /home/phablet/.config/com.ubuntu.camera/com.ubuntu.camera.conf
[16:44] <Kaleo> robotfuel, photoRollHintNecessary=false|true
[16:44] <robotfuel> Kaleo: thanks
[16:44] <cyphermox> ahayzen: that's more editing you can do to replace  "password-flags=1" with "password=yourpassword"
[16:45] <ahayzen> cyphermox, my desktop since i upgraded asks for my password....oh that probably explains that as i didn't copy back any keyrings
[16:46] <ahayzen> there alot of stuff appearing in the syslog...
[16:49] <ahayzen> cyphermox, hmmm Nov 14 16:49:21 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1871]: <info> (wlan0): device state change: ip-config -> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable') [70 120 5]
[16:49] <ahayzen> Nov 14 16:49:21 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1871]: <warn> Activation (wlan0) failed for connection 'eduroam'
[16:50] <ahayzen> cyphermox, looks like the only error line all the others say "no reason"
[17:19] <kenvandine> pitti, i'm really liking upower 0.99 in vivid :)
[17:20] <kenvandine> dbus-daemon is nearly idle all the time while plugged in and screen off
[17:20] <kenvandine> 0.9 in rtm too busy all the time while plugged in with the screen off
[17:21] <Stskeeps> nod
[17:21] <Stskeeps> (ignore me.. damn train lag)
[17:51] <skogshjort> Sorry, I had to rush away to sign some papers. Atom is github's editor :)
[17:54] <kenvandine> pitti, i just flashed vivid-proposed to my krillin to confirm it isn't hardware specific, upower 0.99 rocks on krillin too
[17:57] <pitti> kenvandine: heh, nice!
[18:10] <ogra_> pitti, we will be permanently moving to the new touch release process which means we hard freeze the archive on wed. morning and open up again on friday evening ... the langpack generation kind of breaks that freeze atm ... could we set it to wed ?
[18:11] <ogra_> (we had to do a re-spin of the image for an emergency fix today and suddenly had all langpacks updated where there should only have been an atomic change)
[18:41] <skogshjort> Okay all qml persons, what dependencies do we need for developing with the ubuntu touch components?
[18:42] <ogra_> you should use the SDK ...
[18:43] <ogra_> but if you dont, i guess you at least want ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev
[18:43] <bzoltan> skogshjort: ogra_ is right ... just install the SDK
[18:45] <skogshjort> Hmm, yeah, canonical sure wants that. Thing is, we've got a nice setup on an arch system and don't want to work in the sdk anyway. We've tried to compile the ubuntu-ui-toolkit using qmake + make, and still get this cute error that modules are unknown in "organizer"
[18:47] <ogra_> that has nothing to do with canonical ... if you want your stuff to work you will need that
[18:48] <ogra_> the OS uses a certain frammework definition you need to match
[18:48] <ogra_> *framework
[18:48] <skogshjort> How do you mean by that?
[18:52] <skogshjort> Oh,
[18:53] <skogshjort> ah nothing
[19:01] <pitti> ogra_: sure; the date was pretty arbitrary really, I just need to ask wgrant to adjust the schedule
[19:01] <ogra_> cool, thanks
[19:09] <skogshjort> ogra_: I see. Too bad, I was looking forward to help out developing the sy :/
[19:11] <ogra_> skogshjort, just use a VM ?
[19:12]  * pitti waves good night
[20:41] <beuno> cwayne, fix deployed
[20:42] <cwayne> beuno: excellent, thank you
[20:42] <cwayne> so should i bump version and reupload, or just wait for a manual review?
[20:42] <beuno> cwayne, if you could bump and reupload, I'd consider that some extra QA  :)
[20:43] <cwayne> beuno: sure, I'll trade you that for a manual review of the 'my activity scope' since it's got account-plugin stuff :)
[20:43] <beuno> there's always a catch!
[20:43]  * beuno goes find his reviewer hat
[20:44] <beuno> cwayne, this is the first time it's being uploaded with these permissions, right?
[20:45] <cwayne> beuno: nope
[20:45] <cwayne> the only thing that's changed from the last version is the "title" in the click manifest
[20:47] <beuno> cwayne, approved
[20:48] <beuno> popey, the music app is back up?
[20:48] <Hakisho> hmm, the lock screen does inhibit the upgrade from the notification?
[20:49] <cwayne> beuno: thanks, just about to re-upload a different one now to check if reviews fixed :)
[20:49]  * cwayne always holds up his end of the deal
[20:50] <beuno> I was ready to swap out the app icon for goatsee, just in case
[20:50] <cwayne> lol
[20:51] <cwayne> hm, does it not let it through if there's a warning?
[20:53] <beuno> not currently, we'll flex that soon
[20:53] <cwayne> beuno: well in this case, the warning is also a bug :) https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/1177/automated-review/
[20:53] <swift110-phone> Hello all
[20:54] <beuno> cwayne, that seems to be a review script trigger
[20:54] <beuno> jdstrand, ^^
[20:54] <cwayne> beuno: that warning is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1392133
[20:54] <swift110-phone> Is ubuntu touch ready to be installed onto tablets
[20:54] <beuno> I see
[20:55] <beuno> cwayne, cwayne approved
[20:55] <jdstrand> I fixed that yesterday
[20:55] <cwayne> jdstrand: that's separate than that crash
[20:55] <cwayne> unless you also fixed this :)
[20:55] <jdstrand> ah yes
[20:55] <jdstrand> please let that go through. I need to fix those tests to use a regex
[20:55] <jdstrand> can someone file a bug on that?
[20:55] <beuno> anyway, the store will start letting apps through with warnings soon
[20:55] <jdstrand> beuno: wait, what?
[20:55] <beuno> which is really the original intention
[20:56] <jdstrand> when was that decided?
[20:56] <jdstrand> was it?
[20:56] <beuno> jdstrand, maybe it wasn't!  :)
[20:56] <cwayne> jdstrand: bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1392133
[20:56] <beuno> I thought errors were rejects
[20:56] <jdstrand> that is true
[20:56] <beuno> and warnings were to let developers know they will need to fix something or it'll error soon
[20:56] <cwayne> just know that all of our scopes have translated ini files, which is going to trigger this on each upload
[20:56] <beuno> like deprecated frameworks
[20:56] <jdstrand> no, warnings might mean that, but it might be something else too
[20:57] <jdstrand> beuno: was this discussed on a mailing list and I have forgotten context?
[20:57] <beuno> jdstrand, ok, so I won't make the change, but add an item to discuss
[20:57] <jdstrand> (totally possible0
[20:57] <beuno> jdstrand, I'm not sure, we've been doing a lot of things  :)
[20:57] <jdstrand> yeah-- I'm not comfortable saying ok to that until the warnings are reviewed
[20:58] <beuno> jdstrand, it doesn't matter, there's no need to make the change now
[20:58] <beuno> I'll bring it up, we can agree on what's best and how to get there
[20:58] <jdstrand> the discussion is worthwhile-- we can review the warning and then define error and warning more clearly
[20:58] <jdstrand> cause I think right now it is based mostly on my gut
[20:58] <cwayne> beuno: so shall i just wait to get the rest of the clicks up and then ping you with a list? cus all of them are going to be tagged
[20:58] <jdstrand> which is hard to communicate to others :P
[20:59] <jdstrand> and is possibly subjective
[20:59] <beuno> cwayne, yeap, I'll practice my clicking in the mean time
[21:00] <beuno> jdstrand, gut driven development seems popular these days
[21:00] <jdstrand> heh
[21:00] <jdstrand> hey, it gets you somewhere
[21:00] <jdstrand> where is the question...
[21:03] <matv1> swift110-phone yes but not on any tablet. just the nexus reference devices
[21:04] <matv1> swift110-phone its up to either community members to do a port to other hardware or OEMs to do the same for their devices
[21:05] <swift110-phone> Ah pk
[21:06] <swift110-phone> Pk
[21:06] <swift110-phone> Ok
[21:08] <matv1> swift110-phone and of course what you call 'ready' depends on your expectations
[21:16] <swift110-phone> Ok
[21:20] <tomdp> Hello! Is anyone else using ubuntu-emulator and experiencing an issue where the emulator window's display only shows garbage and fragments of other things from your screen after setup? Or garbage where the background image should be during setup?
[21:21] <tomdp> I'm having this same issue across 3 different machines; two xubuntu and one ubuntu, both trusty
[21:57] <dobey> tomdp: i don't but it might help if you specify what arch the emulator is.
[21:58] <dobey> Hakisho: yes
[22:00] <tomdp> I'm using i386, but I had the same issue on ARM last I checked. That said, that was an older build.