[14:00] <ogra_> heya
[14:00] <willcooke> hey
[14:00] <ogra_> willcooke, got a hangout link ?
[14:01] <willcooke> anyone else need it?
[14:01] <willcooke> to join the hangout:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfgKhHVw0F85m6EA7tDr6qh_DhvUpMu8lVWVb3wWqBCnj3Msg?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[14:01] <ogra_> i wouldnt mind sitting not alone :)
[14:01] <willcooke> to just view:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4t2eM-H16Q
[14:02] <willcooke> sergiusens, rsalveti - you guys want to join the HO?
[14:02] <ogra_> janimo, ^^^^ if you feel like
[14:02] <rsalveti> will do, in a minute
[14:02] <janimo> ogra_, which is the HO URL?
[14:03] <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfgKhHVw0F85m6EA7tDr6qh_DhvUpMu8lVWVb3wWqBCnj3Msg?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[14:03] <janimo> I joined after it was pasted I think
[14:05] <willcooke> just waiting a few more minutes and we'll get started...
[14:06] <willcooke> we're live...
[14:09] <willcooke> someone in the hangout has another window open with the video streaming in... ogra_ rsalveti janimo
[14:09] <janimo> http://people.canonical.com/~jani/a/html/index.html
[14:09] <ogra_> willcooke, yeah, sorry, that was me
[14:15] <rsalveti> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-touch-porting
[14:57] <mhall119> hmmmm, our host doesn't seem to be here
[14:57] <gQuigs> but I'm really excited about bringing ubuntu to the car :(
[14:58] <amjjawad> gQuigs: that is why it is 2:00AM and I am here because I am intersted in this session
[14:58] <amjjawad> if the host won't be here, I might do it :P
[14:58] <mhall119> yeah, but without him there's nobody to really talk about how to do it ;/
[14:59] <amjjawad> mhall119: I guess you are right :(
[14:59] <amjjawad> it is all about howto after all
[15:00] <gQuigs> well.. I mean we could have a brief discussion about what we could do with Ubuntu that we can't do with current setups..
[15:01] <gQuigs> it seems like it would fit pretty well with the image based updates, click packages story
[15:01] <jeremiah> Hi. :-)
[15:01] <mhall119> our host has arrived :)
[15:01] <amjjawad> great :)
[15:02] <asac> o/
[15:05] <mhall119> jeremiah: let me know if you need me to setup the hangout for you, I'd be happy to
[15:05] <jeremiah> mhall119: Please :-)
[15:05] <jeremiah> I tried from my machine but Google tells me there are issues
[15:06] <jeremiah> Sorry for being late everyone
[15:06] <mhall119> ok, everybody give me 2 minutes to set it up
[15:06] <amjjawad> mhall119: sure
[15:06] <amjjawad> jeremiah: no worries
[15:06] <jeremiah> My apologies for my lateness, but I can start to chat a bit now.
[15:06] <jeremiah> I'm Jeremiah C. Foster and I'm GENIVI's Community Manager
[15:07] <jeremiah> GENIVI is an automotive alliance
[15:07] <mhall119> alright, here's the hangout link for anyone who wants to be on the video: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYc0roCpArJnM841UjRcq7JwYZugajEzNvGHIBcyasj6BPHrbg?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:07] <jeremiah> Designed to bring forward specifications and software for open source IVI applications
[15:07] <jeremiah> IVI == InVehicle Infotainment
[15:08] <jeremiah> Or navigation, music, other media, etc.
[15:08] <amjjawad> mhall119: I am about to have a coffee to stay awake so will join in a bit
[15:08] <amjjawad> I did join but I put mute
[15:08] <mhall119> jeremiah: we're just waiting for you to join the hangout
[15:10] <mhall119> jeremiah: having issues joining?
[15:10] <jeremiah> Y es
[15:10] <mhall119> do you have another browser you can try with?
[15:10] <jeremiah> Sure
[15:11] <mhall119> try disabling video too if the other browser has the same problems, that sometimes helps
[15:11] <jeremiah> okay, will do
[15:12] <mhall119> sorry for the delay everybody, we'll get this going as soon as possible
[15:13] <mhall119> just went live, the broadcast video should start in a minute or two
[15:21] <mhall119> jeremiah: can you post us some links to the genivi stack and api?
[15:31] <jeremiah> Gits: http://git.projects.genivi.org/
[15:32] <jeremiah> http://projects.genivi.org/GENIVI_Baselines/meta-ivi/home
[15:35] <mhall119> if anyone else can help me take notes on http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-bringing-ubuntu-to-the-car I would appreciate it
[15:45] <jeremiah> Most recent release:
[15:45] <jeremiah> http://wiki.projects.genivi.org/index.php/Meta-ivi/7.0.1
[15:46] <jeremiah> Yamaica -- GENIVI Eclipse plugin
[15:46] <jeremiah> Also, GENIVI uses something called Franca for Interface definition
[15:50] <amjjawad> jeremiah: I am interested to find out how this will go so how can I follow up? in case it will happen and Ubuntu will be on the car?
[15:53] <jeremiah> I think a launchpad site is a good idea.
[15:53] <jeremiah> amjjawad: I'm happy to help running the project.
[15:53] <jeremiah> GENIVI has mailing lists, but not a general one yet. https://lists.genivi.org/mailman/listinfo
[15:54] <amjjawad> jeremiah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
[15:54] <gQuigs> had to drop..
[15:54] <jeremiah> I'm jeremiah-foster on Launchpad
[15:55] <jeremiah> Thanks everyone
[15:56] <amjjawad> jeremiah: thanks for this great session
[15:56] <jeremiah> https://launchpad.net/~jeremiah-foster
[15:56] <jeremiah> Sure thing!
[15:56] <amjjawad> could you please send me your ..
[15:56] <amjjawad> oh, that was fast :D
[15:56] <jeremiah> :P
[15:56] <amjjawad> GENIVI-Ubuntu
[15:56] <amjjawad> I shall choose that name
[15:56] <amjjawad> how about that?
[15:56] <jeremiah> Cool, why not!
[15:57] <akiva-thinkpad> hey all
[15:57] <amjjawad> jeremiah: okay, once I am done with the setup, I shall let you know
[15:57] <jeremiah> Sounds good.
[15:57] <amjjawad> I see your email on Launchpad
[15:57] <amjjawad> so I will contact you once done
[15:57] <amjjawad> it is 3am here and I am having hard time to keep myself awake
[15:58] <amjjawad> I had to attend this session because I was so interested and I have contacted Ubuntu about the same idea
[15:58] <amjjawad> good to talk to you, jeremiah :)
[15:59]  * ogra_ is still stuck in a meeting and would appreciate if one of rsalveti or sergiusens coudl run the HO
[16:00] <ogra_> (i'll join asap)
[16:00] <rsalveti> sure
[16:00] <rsalveti> ho link?
[16:00] <ogra_> i think we have to create it ourselves
[16:01] <rsalveti> thought willcooke would take care of it
[16:01] <ogra_> he isnt around
[16:01] <willcooke> rsalveti, I can't Im in another meeting and cant host 2 hangouts
[16:02] <rsalveti> alright, let me try to find out how to create that thing
[16:02] <willcooke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[16:05] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:05] <rsalveti> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcDOIykNdNIUfdtRShzfUjlgvMe0LYX_baFBZe7hESk_NE9iQ
[16:05] <rsalveti> everything is so slow lol, had to confirm my phone number
[16:06] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: mind joining?
[16:08] <rsalveti> ogra_: ^^
[16:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok
[16:10] <mzanetti> and you're live
[16:10] <rsalveti> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-touch-developer-mode-vivid
[16:14] <akiva-thinkpad> 0000 is my password; don't tell anyone!
[16:14]  * akiva-thinkpad has to use an emulator
[16:21] <mzanetti> I'd like to not be forced to have pinlock enabled
[16:21] <rsalveti> mzanetti: right, that will get fixed once we add support for certificates
[16:21] <mzanetti> same here... I do everything through ssh
[16:22] <rsalveti> mzanetti: kind of similar as android, once you accept the host, it's then a trusted one
[16:22] <rsalveti> so you don't necessarily need pin anymore
[16:22] <mzanetti> ah ok, cool
[16:22] <greyback_> Yep. I use adb for scripting, but ssh for a shell
[16:22] <greyback_> cert approach sounds good, looking forward to it
[16:23] <mzanetti> I do use adb for pushing files though, just because the syntax is shorter than scp -P port ...
[16:23] <greyback_> rsync for me
[16:23] <mzanetti> although the lack of proper wildcard support in adb push is a pain point
[16:24] <akiva-thinkpad> yah Canada
[16:25] <akiva-thinkpad> news to me
[16:25] <greyback_> QUESTION: adb has commands like install/uninstall/backup/restore - do these work with Touch?
[16:27] <greyback_> error out/remove from help is ok for me
[16:28] <mzanetti> I guess for those phablet-tools make more sense
[16:28] <mzanetti> yeah
[16:29] <greyback_> framework hooks, yeah I like that idea
[16:29] <greyback_> REQUEST: could phablet-* tools support the ANDROID_SERIAL env var
[16:29] <ogra_>      [xx] drop unsupported options from adb help (and adb itself)
[16:30] <jdstrand> ogra_: oh, declaring what to backup to a backup framework. that is an interesting idea
[16:30] <ogra_> greyback_, i added that to the notes ^^^
[16:30] <greyback_> ogra_: thanks!
[16:30] <jdstrand> that could hook into a cloud backup thing
[16:30] <jdstrand> transparent to the app
[16:31] <greyback_> ogra_: really? Oh I hadn't noticed. Sorry!
[16:31] <greyback_> you have a "-s" switch documented
[16:32] <ogra_> :)
[16:32] <jdstrand> ogra_: re dev mode> sure, I just had to comment that it sounded neat
[16:32] <jdstrand> ogra_: could be a click hook... (I can almost see the path :)
[16:32] <greyback_> QUESTION: would be good to add UI options to enable performance gathering stuff from the  SDK (e.g. CPU usage, GPU/frame rate, memory usage)
[16:33] <greyback_> or make it easy for devs to turn that on
[16:33] <sergiusens> ah, the session transformed from developer mode to developer tools :P
[16:33] <mzanetti> akiva-thinkpad: volume up + volume down does screenshots too
[16:33] <akiva-thinkpad> ty!
[16:34] <greyback_> sergiusens: well it's so that dev-mode would make it easy to turn on dev tools
[16:34] <greyback_> that's all I was thinking. I'm mentally comparing with android's dev mode settings
[16:35] <ogra_> added to the doc (performance)
[16:35] <sergiusens> greyback_: I know, but we don't have all the right people for developer tools ;-) (more so when talking about sdk)
[16:35] <greyback_> sergiusens: fair point, just wanted to raise the idea
[16:36] <greyback_> rsalveti: yep that overlay is handy, for first step
[16:36] <greyback_> SDK guys probably good to talk with
[16:36] <rsalveti> right
[16:37] <sergiusens> http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/performance-and-qml-applications-on-ubuntu/
[16:37] <rsalveti> cool
[16:37] <mzanetti> sergiusens: there's more
[16:37] <mzanetti> sergiusens: e.g. exporting QSG_VISUALIZE
[16:37] <mzanetti> greyback_: can you post your presentation too? that should have what they need
[16:38] <sergiusens> greyback_: mzanetti getting that info on developer.ubuntu.com would be a +
[16:39] <mzanetti> sergiusens: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1wFu6gNaaFVdTjIQYvMokeHg5iLZ_GG5xgohWQ9hwwyA/edit#slide=id.p
[16:39] <greyback_> my presentation slides, more GPU perf optimisations: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1wFu6gNaaFVdTjIQYvMokeHg5iLZ_GG5xgohWQ9hwwyA/edit
[16:39] <mzanetti> :)
[16:39] <mzanetti> greyback_: enabling the QSG ovedraws by a settings switch would awesome
[16:40] <greyback_> mzanetti: yep, more advanced but yes
[16:40] <akiva-thinkpad> very cool
[16:40] <mzanetti> akiva-thinkpad: ~/.cache/<appid>/
[16:40] <mzanetti> err. ./cache/upstart/application-click-<appid>
[16:40] <mzanetti> akiva-thinkpad: ^
[16:40] <akiva-thinkpad> +1 thanks
[16:41] <ogra_> or use the logviewer app :)
[16:42] <balloons> QUESTION: what's will happen with click-buddy?
[16:42] <akiva-thinkpad> What is will happen?
[16:42] <balloons> akiva-thinkpad, :-) What is the plans since I see phablet-tools is getting new stuff
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:43] <balloons> does it make sense to deprecate it or ?
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcDOIykNdNIUfdtRShzfUjlgvMe0LYX_baFBZe7hESk_NE9iQ
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> if anyone wants to chime in
[16:43] <balloons> sorry I had to be in another session and missed most of this ;-(
[16:44] <balloons> click-buddy originally was a bit of a hack, so I think it might be better to move the functionality into other tools
[16:45] <balloons> fyi, I don't use it atm, as I tend to use click directly now and other tools as needed
[16:45] <akiva-thinkpad> ty for the explanation
[16:46] <greyback_> ogra_: god no, that would be far too sensible
[16:46] <balloons> we do keep IRC logs, but they are not embedded
[16:47] <balloons> QUESTION: how much of adb will go away? Will I be able to continue to push and pull and run the shell if I want?
[16:49] <mzanetti> udb  \o/
[16:49] <mzanetti> :)
[16:50] <balloons> fyi, the irc logs from this session :-) http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/14/%23ubuntu-uds-platform-1.html
[16:52]  * sergiusens needs to drop
[16:53] <balloons> thanks guys!
[16:53] <balloons> bring on certificates please!
[16:53] <balloons> :-)
[16:55] <mzanetti> ogra_: live-view of logs would be even more cool than just pulling them
[16:55] <mzanetti> like phablet-log-view <appid>
[16:55] <ogra_> mzanetti, logviewer does that !
[16:55] <ogra_> on the phone even
[16:56] <mzanetti> yeah well, *on* the phone
[16:56] <ogra_> :)
[16:56] <mzanetti> but on the phone I want to have my app running
[16:56] <ogra_> mzanetti, feel free to add it to the etherpad
[16:56] <mzanetti> while I watch the log
[16:56] <matv1> thnx guys very informative!
[16:56] <greyback_> o/
[16:56] <jdstrand> ogra_: haha, "you do it well" -- he brings his ignorance everywhere well? lol
[16:56] <ogra_> :D
[16:57]  * jdstrand is still chuckling
[16:57] <mzanetti> ogra_: the etherpad didn't load for me :D
[16:57] <ogra_> he is definitely excusing for it very very well :)
[16:57] <mzanetti> now it does
[16:57] <ogra_> [xx] remote live-log viewing
[16:57] <ogra_> added that
[16:58] <mzanetti> thanks :)
[16:58] <mzanetti> ogra_: especially for unity8 it'd be awesome. I think my most typed things are ssh to phone; cat .../unity8.log
[16:58] <ogra_> hah
[16:59] <ogra_> yeah, that should be easily fixable
[16:59]  * ogra_ is surpised you dont ahave a script or shell alias for that yet :)
[16:59] <mzanetti> now that you say it, I'm too
[17:57] <pitti> slangasek: I can haz hangout URL?
[17:58] <slangasek> hmm I expected jodh to set it up ;)
[17:58] <willcooke> I'm doing it
[17:58] <pitti> willcooke: ah, cheers
[17:58] <slangasek> oh, alrighty then
[17:59] <willcooke> hangout URL:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeijy4o_dDv_7S4gwy-NklyhjrNfvAH18jHOgyY5T6kvPO2hQ?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[17:59] <willcooke> youtube for viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEc1TPm4yNs
[17:59] <willcooke> general summit page: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22401/systemd-transition/
[17:59] <willcooke> pitti, ^^
[18:00]  * stgraber waves
[18:00] <stgraber> someone got a URL for me? :)
[18:00] <akiva-thinkpad> yep
 hangout URL:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeijy4o_dDv_7S4gwy-NklyhjrNfvAH18jHOgyY5T6kvPO2hQ?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
 youtube for viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEc1TPm4yNs
 general summit page: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22401/systemd-transition/
[18:01] <willcooke> stgraber, ^^
[18:01] <stgraber> thanks
[18:03] <akiva-thinkpad> yep
[18:08] <balloons> link to the wiki?
[18:09] <willcooke> just asking jodh
[18:10] <linuxtech> Might want to include https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Packaging in the blueprint.
[18:11] <linuxtech> baloons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers Is that the link you wanted?
[18:12] <balloons> linuxtech, ty yes
[18:16] <linuxtech> http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/systemd/packages-to-convert/  How is the list compiled?
[18:17] <linuxtech> Is the sprint going to focus on packages in main, or everything?  Any plans for mergeing changes back to Debian?
[18:29] <slangasek> linuxtech: we will need to address all the packages that ship upstart jobs in Ubuntu without shipping either sysvinit scripts or systemd units.  Such packages are generally not mergable to Debian, because they didn't come from Debian in the first place (if they had, they would have come with sysvinit scripts)
[18:32] <slangasek> pitti: I didn't catch what if anything needed to be taken as an action for DEP8, can you update the pad?
[18:42] <mdeslaur> sorry, I missed the beginning of this session, but FYI the security team will add apparmor support to systemd this cycle
[18:43] <mdeslaur> right now, apparmor profiles aren't loaded at early boot
[18:43] <jdstrand> apparmor support should also be a blocker
[18:43] <mdeslaur> help appreciated on the systemd side :)
[18:45] <mdeslaur> it's currently using a sysv init script, which means services start before apparmor profiles are loaded
[18:45] <jdstrand> that is quite important for server :)
[18:47] <mdeslaur> yes, before switching the default
[18:48] <jdstrand> also, we have the work planned. there is apparmor and systemd work. we could use people if people had time
[18:49] <jdstrand> we'll get there, but if there are specific timeframes, that may be problematic
[18:51] <jdstrand> well, I should say, if there are specific timeframes, we may need help
[19:00] <shirgall> Thanks for the session!
[19:01] <pitti> slangasek, willcooke: are you still editing the pad? otherwise I'd copy it to the BP whiteboard?
[19:01] <willcooke> I'm done
[19:01] <slangasek> pitti: done - thanks!
[19:05] <pitti> copied