[01:36] <skepticmisfit> hello, i have the Error:BrokenCount > 0 error
[01:36] <skepticmisfit> when running apt-get install -f, i get this:
[01:36] <skepticmisfit> root@alan-HP-G60-Notebook-PC:/home/alan# apt-get install -f Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed:   libgcc1 The following NEW packages will be installed:   libgcc1 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 2 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/48.3 kB of archi
[01:36] <holstein> skepticmisfit: i would look at, and remove the 2 not fully installed or removed
[01:37] <skepticmisfit> hang on lemme get the rest of the log
[01:37] <holstein> !paste | skepticmisfit
[01:38] <holstein> skepticmisfit: just look and see what 2 packages those are, remove them, and get "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to complete without error
[01:38] <holstein> if you have added ppa's, consider ppa-purge
[01:38] <skepticmisfit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996403/
[01:40] <skepticmisfit> what is the command for ppa-purge? (already removed third-party ppas from ubuntu software center)
[01:41] <holstein> ppa-purge *is* the command.. its an application.. you can add it *if* your package system is not messed up too bad
[01:41] <holstein> skepticmisfit: removing the sources doesnt remove the unsupported 3rd party applications
[01:42] <holstein> skepticmisfit: all of the options are discussed here.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[01:42] <skepticmisfit> holstein: got this, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996465/
[01:42] <skepticmisfit> problem seems to be with libgccl
[01:43] <holstein> skepticmisfit: sure. thats *not* how you use ppa-purge
[01:43] <skepticmisfit> holstein: it wasnt installed
[01:43] <holstein> skepticmisfit: as per the link i shared, you use it like this.. "sudo ppa-purge ppa:repository-name/subdirectory"
[01:44] <holstein> skepticmisfit: right.. i mentioned you would need to install it.. can you? try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ppa-purge"
[01:45] <skepticmisfit> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996507/
[01:46] <holstein> skepticmisfit: right, so in the conditional statement i had above, where i stated *if* your package system it not too messed up, it is..
[01:46] <holstein> skepticmisfit: would you try removing the packages mentioned?
[01:47] <holstein> skepticmisfit: literally like this.. "sudo apt-get autoremove libc6" for example
[01:47] <holstein> skepticmisfit: see what all is wanting to be removed when you try running that ^
[01:47] <holstein> skepticmisfit: then, as i stated above, you want "sudo apt-get update" to complete without errors..
[01:47] <skepticmisfit> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996535/
[01:48] <holstein> skepticmisfit: just keep following it back, friend
[01:48] <skepticmisfit> holstein: following it back meaning
[01:48] <holstein> skepticmisfit: try what the message states ^
[01:49] <holstein> sudo apt-get -f install
[01:49] <skepticmisfit> holstein: typing "apt-get -f install" into terminal would do it without any packages right
[01:49] <holstein> skepticmisfit: we dont know what "would do it" yet.. you have to fix what you have broken
[01:49] <holstein> skepticmisfit: try the command listed in the error message you got..
[01:50] <skepticmisfit> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996552/
[01:50] <holstein> if that errors, try "sudo apt-get autoremove multiarch-support"
[01:50] <holstein> then, again.. the goal is to get "sudo apt-get update" to complete without errors
[01:51] <holstein> skepticmisfit: you can try "y" there, but that will likely put you right back where you were
[01:51] <skepticmisfit> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996558/
[01:51] <skepticmisfit> it seems everything i do gets me back to the same issue
[01:51] <holstein> skepticmisfit: correct.. so keep working bacfk
[01:52] <holstein> back*
[01:52] <holstein> skepticmisfit: keep removing what is broken, and then purge the relevant ppa's
[01:52] <skepticmisfit> holstein: it's not removing packages because of the dependency issues
[01:52] <holstein> skepticmisfit: libc6 should be removed
[01:53] <holstein> skepticmisfit: no.. the dependency issue is due to something else..
[01:53] <skepticmisfit> holstein: i tried removing libc6 from within ubuntu software center and it didnt work
[01:53] <holstein> skepticmisfit: please run "sudo apt-get autoremove libc6" again
[01:53] <holstein> skepticmisfit: sure.. *dont* run another package manager right now
[01:53] <holstein> skepticmisfit: close the software center..
[01:53] <skepticmisfit> holstein: software center's been closed
[01:54] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove libc6
[01:54] <skepticmisfit> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996603/
[01:54] <holstein> skepticmisfit: but, you reinstalled multi-arch
[01:55] <skepticmisfit> holstein: how did multiarch get reinstalled when the package manager cant do anything
[01:55] <holstein> skepticmisfit: sudo apt-get autoremove multiarch-support
[01:55] <holstein> skepticmisfit: dont run "sudo apt-get -f install" and say "y"
[01:55] <skepticmisfit> holstein: ok
[01:55] <holstein> skepticmisfit: when you answer "y" it puts it back. and its not time for that
[01:56] <holstein> skepticmisfit: please just *keep* removing.. and only removeing, and dont put them back
[01:56] <skepticmisfit> holstein: there's no point showing you another log is there
[01:56] <skepticmisfit> got the same thing with autoremove multiarch
[01:56] <holstein> skepticmisfit: what "same thing" ?
[01:57] <skepticmisfit> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996687/
[01:59] <holstein> skepticmisfit: try "sudo apt-get purge multiarch-support libc6"
[02:00] <skepticmisfit> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996719/
[02:01] <holstein> skepticmisfit: please try "sudo apt-get update"
[02:02] <skepticmisfit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8996748/
[02:03] <holstein> skepticmisfit: just apt-get update
[02:03] <holstein> skepticmisfit: you ran "sudo -s" to get a root terminal?
[02:03] <skepticmisfit> holstein: ran sudo su when i first opened the terminal
[02:04] <holstein> skepticmisfit: ok
[02:04] <holstein> skepticmisfit: exit to normal user
[02:04] <holstein> skepticmisfit: and run "sudo apt-get update"
[02:04] <skepticmisfit> holstein: uhh... terminal emulator didnt open
[02:05] <skepticmisfit> got a dialog box "Failed to execute command exo-open-- launch TerminalEmulator"
[02:05] <holstein> skepticmisfit: in what capacity, friend? when you clicked on it? i never said you close the one you had open.. i said, exit to your user..
[02:05] <holstein> skepticmisfit: please just lanuch some terminal, or tty..
[02:05] <holstein> !tty
[02:05] <holstein> and sudo apt-get update
[02:06] <holstein> you can use alt f2 to lanuch xfce4-terminal or whatever you like
[02:06] <skepticmisfit> another dialog box, "Failed to execute child process "xfrun4" (No such file or directory)"
[02:06] <holstein> skepticmisfit: no doubt, you have a broken system here
[02:07] <holstein> skepticmisfit: not sure how bad, and im not hearing all the details about how it was broken
[02:07] <skepticmisfit> holstein: all i did was install software, im new to linux but i didnt know installing software broke stuff this bad
[02:07] <holstein> skepticmisfit: at some point, reverting to a backup or reinstall might be your easiest path to a "Good" system
[02:07] <holstein> !ppa
[02:07] <holstein> skepticmisfit: adding ppa's can be risky..
[02:08] <holstein> they are 3rd party unsupported packages..
[02:08] <skepticmisfit> holstein: the only ppas that were added were from steam and googlemusicmanager
[02:09] <skepticmisfit> yea nothing's running anymore
[02:09] <skepticmisfit> probably gotta reinstall
[02:09] <holstein> skepticmisfit: im not saying the ppas are the cause.. could be bad hardware.. could be failing hard drive.. anything
[02:09] <skepticmisfit> i just installed this a couple days ago.. computer worked fine on windows but i wasnt pleased with performance and i got enticed by xubuntu
[02:11] <skepticmisfit> i use an old hp laptop from 2008, barely runs windows 7 but has terrible performance in basic tasks like web-browsing and such, xubuntu seemed much faster however the OS just broke itself
[02:12] <skepticmisfit> holstein: thanks for your help, im gonna see if i can reboot and probably watch the whole thing crash and burn even more, seems every single program was deleted
[02:13] <holstein> skepticmisfit: try and come here *before* adding packages that require multiarch
[02:13] <holstein> skepticmisfit: and before doing *anything* with sudo command
[02:13] <skepticmisfit> holstein: alright thanks again
[02:13] <holstein> skepticmisfit: sudo is not something to take lightly.. thats something that in windows you just do .. run as admin.. in linux, root is not casual like that
[02:14] <skepticmisfit> oh wait.... the... error pic in top right corner's gone
[02:14] <skepticmisfit> but i still cant run any programs
[02:14] <skepticmisfit> ugh im sorry for wasting your time
[02:14] <holstein> skepticmisfit: you should be able to run commands in tty as well
[02:15] <holstein> skepticmisfit: and, from the recovery console
[02:16] <skepticmisfit> holstein: hang on im gonna reboot, for some reason it seems i lost user privleges as well.. urgh. this isn't supposed to be this frustrating, is it?
[12:53] <aziz> has anyone else had the problem that aacgain doesn't work in easymp3gain-gtk? it just says "Error: Cannot start aacgain..." and searches don't spit out anything helpful.
[13:58] <Airbander> Hi guys how can i install winusb
[13:58] <Airbander> i used this command " sudo apt-get install winusb"
[13:58] <Airbander> but this didnt work
[13:58] <cfhowlett> !info winusb
[13:59] <elfy> you can't use that command to install things that aren;t available
[14:00] <Airbander> ok
[14:01] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[14:02] <knome> Airbander, what do you need winusb for?
[14:02] <knome> eg. what's the real question
[14:02] <cfhowlett> Airbander, you do know that's a windows utility, i.e you run it from windows?
[14:03] <Airbander> knome i want make install windows on laptop dont have cddrive
[14:03] <Airbander> cfhowlett ya there is a version for linux either
[14:03] <cfhowlett> Airbander, ask ##windows
[14:03] <Airbander> http://askubuntu.com/questions/489546/installing-winusb-on-ubuntu-14-04
[14:04] <cfhowlett> Airbander,I stand corrected
[14:05] <elfy> Airbander: did you actually read the page you linked - where it actually tells you what to - you've come here and asked exactly the same question that's been answered there?
[14:05] <Airbander> lol i didnt finish reading the page
[14:05] <Airbander> sorry for that
[14:06] <elfy> ...
[14:06] <Airbander> lol
[14:06] <cfhowlett> lawd ...
[14:06] <Airbander> i just saw the command line
[14:06] <Airbander> try it. didnt work i come here to ask
[14:06] <Airbander> i was stupid on this one sorry again
[14:06] <knome> Airbander, this isn't the first time you've demonstrated you are not reading what you are told, or what you've found, so PLEASE take put some more effort into that
[14:06] <cfhowlett> Airbander, running commands without understanding them?  you're gonna have a bad time.
[14:07] <Airbander> be easy one me guys
[14:07] <Airbander> :'( i'm crying right now
[14:21] <n-iCe> hi
[14:21] <knome> hello
[14:22] <n-iCe> knome: how are you?
[14:22] <knome> i'm fine, and do you have a support question?
[14:24] <n-iCe> No I don't, I'm new on xubuntu, and everything is just awesome.
[14:25] <knome> n-iCe, ok, then you might want to join #xubuntu-offtopic, which is our channel for general chatter :)
[15:49] <mah> could someone help me out
[15:50] <mah> i am having problems to have my xubunt recognize my android
[15:50] <mah> i already looked up some forums nothing worked
[15:50] <cfhowlett> mah, xubuntu version?  android phone version?
[15:51] <mah> dunno my xubuntu version
[15:52] <GridCube> my solution to have less headaches whit android mount points was to install ssh in my desktop and a client on my phone, then i just transfer files from and up the phone that way
[15:52] <mah> i have a samsung galaxy s5 mini
[15:52] <cfhowlett> mah, cat /etc/issue         in a terminal
[15:52] <GridCube> its faster and easier
[15:52] <cfhowlett> GridCube, or ... airdroid
[15:52] <GridCube> than fighting with everything else
[15:52] <GridCube> cfhowlett: never heard of that, sounds interesting
[15:53] <cfhowlett> GridCube, drag and drop ... only requires the computer and the phone be on the same wifi network
[15:53] <mah> ubuntu 12.04.4
[15:53] <GridCube> sounds very useful
[15:54] <cfhowlett> GridCube, it works.  i've dropped books,
[15:54] <cfhowlett> Version: 1.308.1.2
[15:54] <cfhowlett> Depends:  tunes, apk and ring tones on my nexus that way
[15:54] <cfhowlett> eek.  excuse the extra paste stuff
[15:54] <mah> im kinda lost here
[15:54] <mah> hehe
[15:55] <GridCube> well, i've used an ftp client from my phone to the desktop and grabbed files from a shared directory, basically music and wallpapers, and downloaded pictures to the desktop
[15:56] <GridCube> even if thunar does recognizes the device, it sometimes stop recognizing it at mid transfer
[15:57] <mah> i dunno whats this
[15:57] <n-iCe> nexus
[15:57] <n-iCe> did you flash 5.0 already?
[15:57] <n-iCe> :p
[15:57] <mah> this is what i tried but it didnt work
[15:57] <mah> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/how-to-connect-your-android-ice-cream-sandwich-phone-to-ubuntu-for-file-access
[15:58] <n-iCe> ics?
[15:58] <n-iCe> plop
[16:06] <mah> could someone help me?
[16:06] <mah> i cant install nothing in my android because there is no space left
[16:06] <n-iCe> well, this is xubuntu
[16:07] <n-iCe> try #android
[16:07] <cfhowlett> mah, that's not an ubuuntu problem.  ask ##android
[16:07] <GridCube> delete stuff
[16:07] <n-iCe> or move to your sdcard
[18:09] <DethFiesta> Hi All -- I'm having some trouble getting a program to autostart when using Application Autostart in the Session and Startup Manager.  Can anyone help?
[18:12] <DethFiesta> I've created a new entry in the Appliction Auto start list and pointed it to this command:    home/nvfx1/Desktop/Attract Mode Source/attract-1.4.1/attract
[18:13] <DethFiesta> But, this program does not launch upon login.  How do I troubleshoot why the program is not auto-starting.  It starts fine when I launch command manually.  Thanks in advance for any help.
[18:13] <GridCube> DethFiesta: maybe the spaces in the path are breaking things
[18:13] <GridCube> try escaping the spaces or move the executable to a simplier path
[18:13] <DethFiesta> Ahhh, I'll try removing the spaces, thanks!
[18:14] <MrZee> good afternoon, I tried to install a battery manager for my laptop called TLP, but it's not working and now my NetworkManager isn't starting
[18:15] <MrZee> how can I fix it?
[18:15] <holstein> MrZee: installed from the repos? can you try the guest user or a different user to see if the network applet starts? you can try running it manually as well.. nm-applet
[18:16] <MrZee> it says "Network Available" but nothing else
[18:16] <cfhowlett> MrZee, IINM tlp is a ppa, right
[18:17] <MrZee> I've no idea what a ppa is...
[18:17] <holstein> MrZee: who said "ppa"?
[18:17] <holstein> !ppa
[18:17] <holstein> MrZee: did you add a ppa?
[18:18] <MrZee> holstein: cfhowleft did
[18:18] <MrZee> *cfhowlett
[18:18] <holstein> MrZee: *where* did you get the application?
[18:18] <MrZee> I don't know what a ppa is
[18:19] <holstein> MrZee: see above ^^
[18:19] <MrZee> on internet, there was a tutorial how to install it through the terminal
[18:19] <MrZee> but it didn't work quite well... though, when logging as a guest, everything's fine
[18:19] <holstein> MrZee: *anytime* you use the "sudo" command, you shouldnt take that casually.. its not trivial.. you add sources that are not supported, and you can break things
[18:20] <holstein> MrZee: so, if everything is fine as guest, i would assume the "issue" is in the config for the user
[18:20] <holstein> MrZee: what did you add and how? are you wanting to remove that?
[18:22] <MrZee> well... I just want to properly connect again
[18:24] <holstein> MrZee: i would like to, if i were you, share with a volunteer here what i have done, and have someone look at all the commands i ran that "broke" the funcitonality..
[18:25] <MrZee> holstein: I'm trying to find it
[18:25] <holstein> MrZee: to find out what? what page you visited? and what commands you ran? try the browser history..
[18:26] <MrZee> holstein: exactly
[18:26] <MrZee> holstain: that's what I'm doing
[18:26] <MrZee> **holstein, sorry
[18:26] <cfhowlett> !info tlp
[18:27] <holstein> MrZee: you can open a terminal and type "history" and you may see commands like "sudo add-apt-repository".. you can share those here..
[18:27] <MrZee> holstein: ok, perfect, I'll do that
[19:29] <xubuntu82w> I am having a problem with xubuntu. Every time I try to use to "su" command in the terminal to act as root, it won't let me. I thought  maybe my password was incorrect, but I have reloaded xubuntu multiple times, and I am positive that I am entering the only password the installation process asks for. Is there a reason xubuntu wouldn't let me function as root? Or is it somehow putting its own password automatically in and not tel
[19:29] <knome> xubuntu82w, you should not use the "root" account in xubuntu; use sudo
[19:32] <Luyin> xubuntu329: it's sudo su
[19:32] <Luyin> and knome is right, don't use it
[19:37] <Unit193> Generally  sudo -i  is the preferred method.
[19:37] <knome> well, if you *absolutely* need to get a root terminal..
[19:43] <artag> just do sudo su, then passwd
[19:43] <knome> they are gone
[19:43] <artag> ah
[19:45] <artag> i installed 14.04 the other day. it's got a few problems. will 14.10 get fixes earlier, even though it's not LTS ?
[19:46] <knome> depends; most probably not. you have selected the non-LTS upgrade path, so you should upgrade to every new release
[19:46] <knome> *if...
[19:46] <knome> and sorry, i think i read it wrong
[19:46] <artag> isn't 14.04 LTS though ?
[19:47] <knome> but the answer still starts with: depends
[19:47] <knome> LTS releases will get some fixes that the regular releases do not necessarily get
[19:47] <holstein> the "fixes" would ideally come from the hardware manufacturer.. both 14.04 and 14.10 are open, and use the linux kernel, that is open and avialable to the manfacuters to support
[19:47] <artag> most problems i've encountered seem to be around the network and modem managers, are they a problem in ubuntu too ?
[19:48] <holstein> artag: i would try and isolate the software in xubuntu from the driver support..
[19:49] <knome> artag, ubuntu uses the same network indicator afaik; what's the problem?
[19:50] <artag> initially, no icon in the top panel. I found a workaround on the web somewhere that involved using an alternate of some sort, and it's got me the wifi back, but there are still problems
[19:50] <artag> like, every few boots it gets stuck ok/failing modem manager
[19:51] <holstein> you can always try 14.10 live and see if it addresses the issue..
[19:51] <artag> and, less importantly, the clock is different so it doesn't give the date so easily
[19:51] <artag> that's a thought, thanks
[19:52] <artag> oh, and the update manager keeps telling me I need to restart, but apt-get doesn't seem to have anything to fix
[19:52] <artag> what tells it it wants a restart ?
[19:53] <holstein> artag: i would try and apply all updates.. in a terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and reboot into the latest kernel, and see if that addresses that message
[19:54] <artag> i don't think i've tried dist-upgrade since the actual change, so will give that a go
[19:55] <artag> it gets lots of reboots as it's a laptop and I usually fully shut it down
[19:56] <holstein> artag: just specifically reboot into the latest kernel, if you get a kernel update
[19:57] <artag> i assumed it did, but i'll check on the next go-round. it did find something to apply, anyway
[19:57] <holstein> artag: you can just run the commands in the terminal to get and apply all upgrades and reboot.. then, you are up to date, and booted into the latest kernel
[19:58] <holstein> artag: i would do it immediately, as, that update, if there is one, can effect the issues you are seeing..
[20:02] <artag> yeah, rebooting now. shutdown is another thing : it doesn't work immediately, but if i try again it reports it can't do it in the current start
[20:02] <artag> i guess it's waiting for something to die, but i don't know what
[20:02] <artag> i'm getting 3.13.0-39-generic #66-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 28 13:30:27 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:03] <artag> there was no other choice in the boot menu
[21:21] <xubuntu502> ciao buona sera
[21:22] <knome> !it | xubuntu502
[21:46] <shamurai> Hey everyone got an issue where when I resume from sleep or suspend on xubuntu 14.04 I get tearing. Intel graphics
[21:47] <shamurai> Works great prior to suspend
[21:48] <shamurai> Logging out and back in also fixes the problem.
[21:51] <sleezio> hello, can someone verify xubuntu has drivers for the geforce GTX 750 ti video card?
[21:52] <sleezio> ..in their repos
[21:55] <knome> sleezio, try if your hardware works with the live CD
[21:55] <knome> live DVD
[21:55] <sleezio> aah, didn't think of that, thanks
[21:57] <elfy> I've seen cases of people needing xorg-edgers with that card elsewhere
[21:58] <knome> they're gone
[21:58] <elfy> really should tab complete name first :)
[21:58] <knome> or not ignore joins/parts ;)
[21:59] <elfy> didn't notice tbh
[22:00] <knome> hehe
[22:06] <dna113p> Hello. I'm having trouble finding where I would go to remove the Keybinding for Super-L that locks the screen as I want to use it for something else. I am using Xubuntu.
[22:18] <Rayne> dna113p, I thought this question has an easy answer, but I haven't found it, too
[22:19] <sleezio> knome, (i think it was you that suggested live cd) yes, the card/pc work fine when booting into live cd
[22:19] <knome> settings manager -> keyboard -> application shortcuts?
[22:20] <sleezio> i'm in live cd now with new vidcard
[22:20] <knome> sleezio, then it should work as well when you install; elfy noted that other people have needed the xorg-edgers repository for the card to work, but i don't think he has the card, so it's just hearing from others
[22:20] <knome> if it works for you out of the box... great :)
[22:20] <sleezio> in live cd, i already have xubuntu installed as my main os
[22:21] <sleezio> am i going to have to reinstall xubuntu?
[22:21] <knome> sleezio, does that installation work for you?
[22:21] <sleezio> i'm just trying to figure out how to switch the cards in my existing os
[22:22] <dna113p> Rayne: Yeah its weird, I can't find the answer!
[22:22] <knome> sleezio, do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.cong ?
[22:22] <sleezio> yes, i installed xu from this same live cd, but using my previous vidcard
[22:22] <knome> sleezio, *conf
[22:22] <sleezio> hmm..i'll have to look
[22:23] <sleezio> if i do, what do i need to edit?
[22:23] <shamurai> Getting tearing on resume, intel graphics xubuntu 14.04 compositing enable sync to vblank enable
[22:23] <shamurai> enabled
[22:23] <knome> sleezio, i would think just remove (move to a safe place so you can revert to using that)
[22:24] <sleezio> i don't have that file
[22:24] <sleezio> xorg.conf
[22:24] <knome> sleezio, then it's pretty safe to just switch the card
[22:24] <knome> sleezio, if something goes wrong, we're here to help
[22:24] <sleezio> i'll try again, thanks for the help
[22:24] <knome> sleezio, but as always, take backups :)
[22:24] <sleezio> yes
[22:25] <sleezio> most of my personal stuff i save on slave drives
[22:25] <sleezio> thanks again
[22:26] <brainwash> shamurai: re-enable vsync every time you resume
[22:26] <shamurai> deselect and reselect?
[22:26] <brainwash> yes
[22:27] <brainwash> it may work or not, haven't tested it
[22:28] <shamurai> testing now thanks for the tip.
[22:29] <shamurai> Have you seen this before?
[22:31] <brainwash> I have read about it. A user described the same loss of vsync after unlocking the screen
[22:31] <brainwash> so, you might also try and disable lock on suspend
[22:32] <brainwash> to confirm that it's caused (indirectly) by the screen locker
[22:35] <shamurai> I think that might be the case. When I force a suspend and then resume there is no tearing. But if I let the computer automatically do it there is tearing.
[22:38] <brainwash> but the screen is locked in both cases, isn't it?
[22:38] <shamurai> Yes.
[22:40] <brainwash> sadly, there is no one who is able and willing to debug this
[22:40] <brainwash> bugs related to screen locking and/or suspending
[22:40] <knome> shamurai, ^ if you are, it would mean work for you, but be greatly appreciated by the xubuntu team
[22:41] <brainwash> many issues are hardware/driver specific on top of that :/
[22:41] <knome> yeah.
[22:41] <knome> but i guess resolving a single case with a developer might be useful as well.
[22:42] <brainwash> it's one step forward :)
[22:42] <shamurai> xubuntu gives two options for monitor power control. 1. Put screen to sleep and 2. power screen off. Both have different time limits. I have determined that if I wait for the screen to sleep then resume there is no tearing but if it powers off then I resume there is tearing.
[22:43] <ali1234> shamurai: what video driver are you using?
[22:44] <shamurai> Hard to say I ran the intel graphics installer 1.0.7
[22:45] <ali1234> does it work again if you turn it off and on again in the xfwm settings?
[22:50] <shamurai> Just tried unchecking and checking sync to vblank and it didn't correct the tearing
[22:50] <ali1234> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/tree/src/compositor.c#n1300
[22:50] <ali1234> this seems to suggest that if dri has to be restarted then it will be 10 seconds before it works again
[22:51] <ali1234> all the code involved here is in compositor.c anyway, in the DRM/DRI sections
[22:53] <lucas_> Boa noite esta aqui alguem que fale portugues
[22:53] <knome> !pt | lucas_
[22:55] <shamurai> disabling and then enabling the compositor fixes the issue.
[22:56] <shamurai> thanks for the link ali1234
[22:57] <shamurai> I wonder if there is a cleaner way we can do this with out disabling and enabling the compositor every resume
[22:58] <ali1234> probably, check what happens when the compositor is enabled
[22:58] <ali1234> stuff inside ifdefs
[23:00] <knome> ali1234, you mean disabled? :P
[23:00] <ali1234> what happens when it is disabled is probably irrelevant
[23:01] <shamurai> clicking the check box seems to just do this "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/use_compositing -t bool -s false" or "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/use_compositing -t bool -s true"
[23:01] <ali1234> sure
[23:01] <shamurai> You can create a keyboard shortcut to toggle it with this "xfconf-query --channel=xfwm4 --property=/general/use_compositing --type=bool --toggle"
[23:02] <ali1234> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/tree/src/compositor.c#n3201 is the function called when the compositor takes over the screen
[23:02] <ali1234> it calls ope_dri
[23:02] <ali1234> open_dri
[23:03] <ali1234> which also appears in the previous thing I linked
[23:04] <shamurai> I am afraid I am not much of a coder. I can understand some of this but not a lot.
[23:05] <ali1234> what i would do is add logging to wait_vblank to see what it is doing
[23:05] <ali1234> i don't have intel though
[23:05] <brainwash> you could also just use intel's tearfree setting instead of xfwm's vsync option
[23:05] <brainwash> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Tear-free_video
[23:07] <shamurai> tear free should be enable by default right? For intel that is.
[23:08] <brainwash> not by default
[23:08] <brainwash> look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:11] <ali1234> shamurai: you want to find out what happens after the 10 second timer
[23:12] <ali1234> hmmmmmmm
[23:14] <shamurai> Oh and the tear free fix doesn't seem to be available in xfce just gnome. Or at least the file 20-intel.conf doesn't exist.
[23:15] <ali1234> actually i guess that timer isn't even firing
[23:15] <ali1234> i bet it doesn't know it needs to restart; dri probably just silently fails
[23:16] <ali1234> could even be a driver bug
[23:16] <brainwash> shamurai: it's a xorg config snippet, you have to create the file manually and then restart xorg
[23:17] <shamurai> xorg.0.log shows no changes when disabling and enabling compositing
[23:17] <ali1234> it won't
[23:18] <shamurai> what do I need to look at to find out what dri is doing in those 10 seconds?
[23:19] <ali1234> that won't be logged anywhere by default
[23:19] <shamurai> of course not lol
[23:19] <ali1234> you need to add printf statements and then rebuild xfwm
[23:19] <ali1234> or even better, syslog
[23:20] <ali1234> one problem with debugging xfwm is that if it freezes or something, you can't see anything
[23:20] <ali1234> if you have the compositor enabled anyway
[23:20] <ali1234> maybe run it from  VT
[23:26] <shamurai> Created the 20-intel.conf, disabled sync to vblank, and restarted xorg. Fixes tearing I will see if it does so after a suspend resume.
[23:28] <shamurai> performance seems to be much better and more consistent than enabling this in the compositor.
[23:29] <ali1234> that's not really too surprising
[23:29] <ali1234> the tear-free stuff in the compositor is a hack
[23:29] <ali1234> you can't do proper tear-free from userspace without DRI3, which is still not widely available
[23:30] <shamurai> Is there and nvidia option to do this so I can stop using it on my desktop also?
[23:30] <ali1234> no
[23:30] <ali1234> nvidia only supports vsync with opengl, nothing else
[23:32] <shamurai> this seems to be experimental but maybe and option Option "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts" "boolean"
[23:35] <xubuntu822> hey all
[23:36] <xubuntu822> just installing xubuntu and woundering what app can i get to simulate windows .exe files in this os
[23:36] <shamurai> wine
[23:36] <ali1234> !wine
[23:36] <xubuntu822> also i nned a good software to record videos and audio of my desktop plz
[23:37] <xubuntu822> thx all
[23:37] <ali1234> i use kazam for screen recording
[23:37] <xubuntu822> does it simulate a virtual screnn as i do it as well ?
[23:37] <shamurai> simplescreenrecorder
[23:37] <shamurai> or kazam
[23:37] <ali1234> wine can yes
[23:37] <ali1234> it doesn't by default though
[23:37] <xubuntu822> kazam seems to crash a lot from user review
[23:37] <shamurai> http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
[23:38] <ali1234> the old version was buggy, it's better now
[23:38] <xubuntu822> also screen preference seem a bit tricky
[23:38] <xubuntu822> so while this is still installing, can i click on the link posted here ???
[23:38] <shamurai> kazam has come a long way and has a lot of cool features
[23:39] <shamurai> I would click on every link you get sent but you can also just do a search for what they are suggesting.
[23:39] <shamurai> *wouldn't
[23:39] <xubuntu822> wow this is really cool, im actually chatting while os is installing
[23:40] <shamurai> simplescreenrecorder is nice if you want to record games as it has a lot of features for that.
[23:40] <xubuntu822> anyone ps3 fan ??? looking to get something like sony remote play, so i can play and record /video stream my games to HDD, does any1 know what is the best way for this ??
[23:42] <shamurai> I would just get a inline capture card like https://www.elgato.com/en/gaming/game-capture-hd60
[23:42] <xubuntu822> a lot of work ad money spend going on the card option
[23:42] <shamurai> But I am sure you can find info on that in the PS3 channel
[23:42] <xubuntu822> there is a way to get round this...i checked a youtube video showing how to install
[23:58] <jost> HI! After updating from 14.04 to 14.10, tooltips in firefox stopped working properly. The tooltips show up, but are just black areas. Did someone else experience this and can tell me how to fix it?