[07:13] <knome> next meeting scheduled
[07:14] <elfy> thanks :)
[07:15] <knome> no problemo
[08:17] <elfy> bug 1391675 - anyone know why we can't add bug watches to that? I couldn't and I guess ali1234 tried
[08:24] <knome> elfy, you are notified of all changes
[08:24] <knome> elfy, at least that's what launchpad tells me..
[08:24] <knome> oh, you mean something else
[08:25]  * knome facepalms
[08:26] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/xfce-bugs shows the correct bug watch connection
[08:26] <knome> and the page shows that bug watch too..
[08:26] <knome> bottom right
[08:32] <elfy> possibly not quite what I was meaning - I can't add the xfce bug at the top of the bug 
[08:32] <elfy> at "also affects" 
[08:32] <elfy> anyway - not hugely important as long as it's watched somehow :)
[08:34] <knome> see the sidebar, at the top
[08:34] <knome> maybe they changed how the bug watches are shown
[08:35] <knome> and afaik, "also affects" is launchpad projects only, never been external bug watches (even though they have been shown there)
[08:36] <elfy> obviously not explaining myself well here - really not important :)
[08:37] <knome> i'm pretty sure i've understood you right
[08:37] <knome> :)
[08:38] <elfy> ok - well if you've understood me - then what I don't understand is why I can't do the same with that ^^ bug as with bug 1382977 where it HAS let us add the xfce bug in the affects :)
[08:39] <elfy> anyway ... 
[08:53] <knome> elfy, right, assigned to
[08:55] <knome> good question.
[08:57] <elfy> I try :p
[12:16] <brainwash> Unit193: should we switch to mate-system-tools?
[17:14] <ali1234> brainwash: sharing things with mate seems like a good idea to me, they are in a very similar position to us
[17:15] <ali1234> brainwash: we should wait until mate is in ubuntu repositories first though, maybe we could even help with that?
[17:15] <ali1234> the plan is for that to happen by alpha 2
[17:16] <ali1234> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-ubuntu-mate-remix
[17:16] <ali1234> they also use lightdm-gtk-greeter and indicators
[17:18] <brainwash> until it is in ubuntu repos? didn't they release ubuntu mate 14.10 plus 14.04 just recently?
[17:18] <ali1234> yes but it uses PPAs
[17:19] <ali1234> the work to get everything in the normal repos is underway right now, that's what the UOS session was entirely about
[17:19] <brainwash> I thought that you could just install mate in 14.10
[17:19] <brainwash> without ppas
[17:19] <ali1234> you can, there is an ISO that has the PPA enabled by default
[17:19] <brainwash> that's confusing :D
[17:20] <ali1234> trust me, i was at the session and talking with the developer :)
[17:20] <brainwash> but working with the mate guys is very important I think
[17:20] <ali1234> yes it's confusing, but it will be solved for the next release if all goes to plan
[17:20] <ali1234> and yes they do want to work with us too
[17:21] <brainwash> makes we wonder, which one will be able to move on to gtk3 first
[17:21] <ali1234> we are in roughly the same position there
[17:21] <ali1234> they have everything "ported" but it's rough and breaking all the time
[17:21] <ali1234> so just like Xfce really
[17:22] <ali1234> porting to Gtk really isn't that hard
[17:22] <ali1234> 3
[17:22] <brainwash> but almost no one cares about it
[17:22] <ali1234> right
[17:22] <ali1234> it doesn't have many practical benefits
[17:22] <ali1234> it just brings problems when they change the API
[17:23] <ali1234> maybe watch the start of the session before the video died?
[17:23] <ali1234> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22355/ubuntu-mate-remix-1504/
[17:23] <ali1234> it's only like 5 minutes
[17:27] <brainwash> 5 minutes?
[17:27] <ali1234> yeah, the hangout died and we did most of the session on irc
[17:27] <brainwash> but the video is 16 minutes long
[17:27] <ali1234> okay maybe it's 10 minutes then... plus 5 minutes of faffing when the video dies
[17:40] <brainwash> ok, I've watched the video