[00:05] <jost> Ok, disabling the ubuntu addon for firefox, restarting firefox, and then enabling the addon again fixed it
[00:12] <oniongrrrl> hello can someone please help me? I am having problems connecting to my home wifi. It was working perfectly fine just yesterday I came and tried to login today and it will not connect. I can see the wifi, and I can even connect to my phone hotspot but it wont let me connect to my home wifi. Anyone have any idea why this is? I am using the newest version of Xubuntu.
[00:14] <oniongrrrl> anyone here?
[00:17] <drc> oniongrrrl: At Last count there were 133 nicks listed, so there must be someone here.  I would guess that no one is answering becasue 1) no one knows, or more likely 2) All you have said is "my wifi's broke, it worked yesterday but won't today".
[00:18] <drc> !details
[00:21] <drc> and now we'll never know :)
[01:00] <ranelagh> Hello. I am trying to install xubuntu 64 bits but it seems it is only available for amd64 cpus. I do have a GenuineIntel cpu
[01:01] <ranelagh> is it possible to install a 64 bit version of xubuntu?
[01:01] <xangua> amd64 stands for 64bit
[01:01] <xangua> !amd64}
[01:01] <xangua> !amd64
[01:01] <ranelagh> even if I have GenuineIntel cpu?
[01:02] <shamurai> Yes its not specific to AMD
[01:02] <ranelagh> I downloaded xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso and burned into usb
[01:02] <shamurai> you should be all good then
[01:02] <ranelagh> but it does not start
[01:02] <shamurai> What did you use to put it on the usb?
[01:03] <ranelagh> sudo dd bs=4M if=/path/xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1
[01:04] <shamurai> What was the output?
[01:04] <shamurai> You should use sudo dd bs=4M if=/path/xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb not sdb1
[01:05] <shamurai> You might also add try this sudo dd bs=4M if=/path/xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb;sync
[01:05] <ranelagh> the output was fine, I saw it was written the iso. I started with the usb and chose install xubuntu but it stopped there and nothing happened
[01:06] <ranelagh> my usb was on sdb1
[01:06] <shamurai> sdb1 is a partition you want to write the image to the disk sdb
[01:08] <ranelagh> I see. I will try to write to the disk. Now it appears as sdc1 so it'll be sdc
[01:08] <shamurai> correct
[01:08] <shamurai> adding sync to the end helps to.
[01:08] <ranelagh> I am using first sudo umount /dev/sdc1
[01:09] <ranelagh> should it be sudo umount /dev/sdc instead?
[01:09] <shamurai> Not really necessary but in that case sdc1 would be correct since the partition is mounted.
[01:13] <ranelagh> sudo dd bs=4M if=/path/Downloads/xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc;sync  --> output: 232+1 records in 232+1 records out 975175680 bytes (975 MB) copied, 96.7549 s, 10.1 MB/s
[01:13] <shamurai> Looks good give it a shot
[01:13] <ranelagh> it'll try to install again. Hopefully it'll work. Need to restart
[01:13] <ranelagh> thanks!
[01:13] <shamurai> Anytime
[01:31] <ranelagh> I was not lucky
[01:32] <ranelagh> I dunno why but it does not proceed
[01:33] <ranelagh> I did the same to install xubuntu 32 bits and it got through but with 64 it does not
[01:33] <shamurai> how far do you get?
[01:34] <ranelagh> I see the grub where you can select install xubuntu among other options
[01:34] <ranelagh> I selected install xubuntu but nothing happened, the screen is black and I do not see anything else
[01:35] <shamurai> what kind of video card do you have?
[01:35] <ranelagh> nvidia gt540m
[01:37] <shamurai> Can you disable the the discrete card in the bios?
[01:37] <ranelagh> right know I am on 32 bits xubuntu
[01:37] <ranelagh> I dunno, what do you mean by discrete card
[01:38] <shamurai> Try this, when you get to grub hit f6 key and select x nomodeset
[01:40] <ranelagh> ok, cheers
[01:41] <ranelagh> you mean the grub I got when trying to install 64 bits?
[01:41] <shamurai> Yes so when you see it say install or try hit f6 a menu will pop up and you can select the option I mentioned
[01:42] <krytarik> !md5 | ranelagh: Also this
[01:44] <ranelagh> thanks
[01:44] <ranelagh> I got 119cb63b48c9a18f31f417f09655efbd
[01:44] <ranelagh> the same as the web
[01:45] <ranelagh> gonna try what shamurai said
[01:54] <ranelagh> still the same
[01:54] <ranelagh> pressed f6 but nothing
[01:55] <krytarik> !nomodeset | ranelagh
[01:55] <ranelagh> I am seeing like this http://i.imgur.com/4TjxW.jpg
[02:25] <shamurai> thats the UEFI boot screen I can't remember how to enable it from there.
[02:46] <ranelagh> Hi, finally I installed bits xubuntu
[02:46] <ranelagh> setting acpi=off after pressing 'e'
[02:47] <ranelagh> took out quiet splash and set up acpi=off
[02:47] <ranelagh> but know I lost grub
[02:48] <ranelagh> I cannot see windows or ubuntu anymore, I guess I'll need to restart the grub?
[02:59] <holstein> ranelagh: try just reinstalling grub
[03:00] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[03:00] <holstein> not sure what was going on before, though.. if something is broken, like the hard drive, this wont fix that
[03:43] <Soelen> help, my mouse is not working anymore
[03:43] <Soelen> I can still move the cursor but I can't click anything
[03:43] <Soelen> what do I do
[03:44] <holstein> Soelen: sounds like a hardware problem.. i would try a different mouse, and test that mouse on another machine..
[06:19] <nonuby> 14.10, when I switch from HDMI to laptop screen (using xfce4 screen switcch or [a|X]randr) the theme for xfce is lost (reverts to non themed grey), is this a known bug?
[06:35] <vrkalak> nonuby, yes, it's known, but it is not a 'bug'
[07:13] <nonuby> hi vrkalak, if its not a bug is it resolvable?
[07:15] <vrkalak> nonuby,  i use from my laptop to TV ... I always have that problem ... I have to restart
[07:16] <knome> sounds like a bug, but for what it's worth, i haven't seen that happen
[07:16] <knome> otoh, i am not running 14.10, so if it's only happening there... then it's a new bug
[07:17] <vrkalak> not a 'bug' but hard-drive  error
[07:18] <knome> how is it a hard-drive error if your theme changes on unplugging HDMI? care to elaborate?
[07:18] <cfhowlett> ??
[07:19] <nonuby> could it be to do with the graphic driver, I notice on this new laptop that uses the kernel radeon driver that changing screens is very slow, where as 2.5 years old intel 3000 chipset never a problem
[07:21] <knome> nonuby, file a bug report so we can potentially monitor and triage that problem
[07:26] <xubuntu41w> can anybody tell me how to execute a python script by just double click in xubuntu 14.04.1?
[07:27] <xangua> right click, properties, mark it as program/executable
[07:28] <xubuntu41w> \wc
[08:27] <bul_guldur> Hello I'm having trouble with USB3 copy speed. I'm getting about 10-15MB/s after the buffer is filled using the 'async' option while mounting. On my home gigiabit network, I can achieve about 80MB/s from HDD-HDD. How do I fix this please?
[08:27] <bul_guldur> It's now at 2MB/s.
[08:29] <bul_guldur> Now increased to 80MB/s, and back down to 20MB/s. Does heat have a bearing on this or is the kernel and distribution just poorly configured?
[08:31] <bul_guldur> Why is this channel even occupied?
[08:31] <cfhowlett> !patience | bul_guldur,
[08:32] <alesan> hello
[08:32] <alesan> how can I set the image viewer as default image viewer? if I click on a photo, it opens it with firefox, which is franlky quite annoying
[08:32] <bul_guldur> OK. Sorry.
[08:34] <cfhowlett> alesan, right click on image, .>> properties >>> open with ....
[08:34] <alesan> cfhowlett, yes it is set on the image viewer
[08:34] <alesan> cfhowlett, but it still opens with firefoxx
[08:35] <cfhowlett> alesan, "image viewer" = ???
[08:35] <alesan> cfhowlett, my installation is in another language - this is my mom's computer
[08:36] <alesan> it calls it "Visualizzatore di immagini Ristretto"
[08:36] <cfhowlett> alesan, yep, that's the one ...
[08:36] <knome> alesan, this is not the ideal situation, but change the default application to something else than ristretto, then switch back to ristretto
[08:36] <knome> ermm, ideal solution
[08:37] <alesan> knome, OK I chnaged to GIMP and now it opens with GIMP
[08:38] <alesan> I switch back to "Ristretto" and it opens with GIMP
[08:38] <alesan> this is a brand-new Xubuntu 14.10 installation
[08:38] <knome> alesan, weird... file a bug
[08:40] <knome> alesan, also, check what ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list says
[08:40] <elfy> or update - is that not bug 1382977
[08:51] <alesan> ok... so what do you advise?
[09:13] <bul_guldur> What a terrible tradgedy linux has become, that it is now so complex it's experts can all but report and prioritise bugs ad infinitum instead of hacking away at the problem.
[09:14] <knome> bul_guldur, excuse me?
[09:15] <cfhowlett> bul_guldur, pray do continue in #ubuntu-offtopic.  THIS is the support channel.   ranting goes elsewhere.
[09:15] <bul_guldur> Indeed, farewell.
[09:16] <knome> besides, not everybody contributing to linux are "experts", or developers that are able to fix things, so they use their time for getting bugs reported and triaged. (i know they are gone, but i think it is fair to give an answer for that question)
[09:18] <cfhowlett> knome, question?  I didn't see the question!  But your point is taken.
[09:19] <knome> well i did the processing and considered somebody would ask next "yeah, why aren't you working on bugs but telling us to report them?"
[09:19] <knome> so it was an answer for THAT question..
[09:19] <cfhowlett> knome, :)  noted.  :)
[09:20] <knome> and now... something completely different. bbl!
[10:13] <xubuntu32w> Hello can you help me for education ?
[10:14] <xubuntu32w> I need to know what is the Architecture  xubuntu 14.04
[10:15] <xubuntu41w> hello
[10:16] <Alexfrench> hello
[10:17] <xubuntu32w> hello can you help me ? I need to know what is the Architecture for xubuntu 14.04 ?
[10:18] <Alexfrench> architecture ?
[10:19] <xubuntu32w> Yes. For example batch or  multiprogrammed or time-sharing
[10:22] <Alexfrench> sorry too clever for me this topic
[10:22] <xubuntu32w> Okay. Thx :D
[10:28] <Luyin> I don't understand the question, xubuntu32w
[11:58] <jarnos> When I run "xfce4-session-logout -s" using a script launched from a launcher in panel, sometimes system does not suspend, but asks for administrative password. Why is this?
[12:04] <brainwash> jarnos: but it suspends after providing the password, right?
[12:04] <jarnos> brainwash, no
[12:06] <brainwash> now that's odd
[12:07] <Alexfrench> on 14.10 i presume
[12:09] <brainwash> do you get any additional log messages when you run the command inside a terminal window?
[12:09] <brainwash> also, look at ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[12:20] <jarnos> Alexfrench, 14.04
[12:20] <Alexfrench> ah ok thanks
[12:20] <Alexfrench> so it go on suspend mode and can't go out that's it ???
[12:21] <jarnos> Alexfrench, no, it does not go on suspend mode sometimes.
[12:25] <Alexfrench> have you seen this ??
[12:25] <Alexfrench> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1247658
[12:37] <bennypr0fane> hello,  can you help me with starting this Java program? it's IBM SPSS and came in a .bin installer, I installed it under /opt. It didn't create a menu entry in the main menu though, how do I lanuch it, and how do put a convenient menu entry there?
[12:38] <jarnos> Alexfrench, no
[12:38] <Alexfrench> does it help you ???
[12:43] <jarnos> Actually, I run "xflock4 && "xfce4-session-logout -s" and the former script runs "light-locker-command --lock"
[12:43] <jarnos> brainwash, nothing in terminal
[12:45] <brainwash> this is the problem, you switch to different vt
[12:45] <brainwash> which can be racy
[12:45] <bluesabre> bennypr0fane: if you know the executable that needs to be run, you can add it to your menu with the installed "menulibre" application, "Menu Editor" in the Settings Manager
[12:46] <bennypr0fane> bluesabre, thanks, I found it! Now I'm looking an icon to use
[12:46] <bluesabre> great :)
[12:47] <bennypr0fane> which folder would you expect icons to be in in a Java program?
[12:47] <bennypr0fane> is there a way to maybe just search the whole directory for .ico files?
[12:47] <brainwash> you could use "catfish" to search for icon/picture files
[12:48] <bennypr0fane> brainwash, with which search terms?
[12:49] <bluesabre> bennypr0fane, if you installed in /opt, check your installation directory. You can use most image types, not just .ico with menulibre
[12:49] <bennypr0fane> does * work as a wildcard?
[12:49] <bluesabre> yes
[12:49] <brainwash> it's easy to test if it works or not
[12:49] <jarnos> brainwash, sometimes it suspends after provifing the password. I can give password only after I switch vt from to another and back.
[12:49] <bluesabre> if you press the F9 key, you can turn a filter on for images
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> bluesabre, I meant which subfolder of the installation dir. I'm just browsing through all of them now...
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> *.ico as a search term with the image filter enabled returns 0 results...
[12:50] <brainwash> jarnos: make sure that you suspend first, and then lock the screen (which takes you to a different vt)
[12:50] <bluesabre> just use *
[12:51] <bluesabre> with the images filter on
[12:51] <bennypr0fane> bluesabre, no luck
[12:51] <bluesabre> it might not ship with any icons/images then
[12:52] <bennypr0fane> does it check subfolders of the one I specified by defuatl?
[12:52] <bluesabre> yes
[12:52] <bennypr0fane> :-P
[12:52] <brainwash> jarnos: also, light-locker is able to listen to the dbus suspend signal, so you don't actually need to run it manually
[12:53] <bennypr0fane> can'r miagine a big company like IBM doing that. The windows version has an icon...
[12:53] <brainwash> jarnos: just make sure that the light-locker process is running in the background and lock-on-suspend is enabled
[12:54] <jarnos> brainwash, I know, but I don't always want to lock when I suspend.
[12:54] <bennypr0fane> how stupid is that. I'll just use a calculator icon from the os icon set
[12:55] <bennypr0fane> how to save changes I made in the menu? can't find a button...
[12:56] <GridCube> theres a button with an arrow in the menu panel
[12:58] <bluesabre> or use Ctrl+S
[12:58] <jarnos> brainwash, running suspend before lock could work, but there are two issues: I can't know, if locking works before suspending, and delay in locking may expose desktop.
[12:59] <brainwash> jarnos: use a simple screen locker instead
[12:59] <brainwash> something which does not require any vt switching
[13:00] <nonuby> taking a list and performing a map op and then removing nils, is it better to wrap with (filter identity (map map-fn coll)) or (mapcat (fn [i] (if cond [i] [])) coll)
[13:00] <brainwash> wrong channel
[13:00] <nonuby> sorry
[13:00] <brainwash> :)
[13:00] <jarnos> brainwash, I which the script could work with any locker.
[13:01] <brainwash> it does work with any, but light-locker is troublesome
[13:01] <brainwash> it has many negative side effects
[13:02] <brainwash> not security wise
[13:03] <jarnos> brainwash, Oh, I better to use another one, then. But isn't light-locker default locker in Xubuntu?
[13:03] <brainwash> jarnos: see https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues/22
[13:04] <brainwash> it is
[13:08] <jarnos> brainwash, does any other locker than light-locker disable audio?
[13:09] <brainwash> the disabled audio is only a side effect
[13:09] <brainwash> you could disable it manually in your script
[13:09] <brainwash> and then re-enable
[13:09] <jarnos> brainwash, I just tested light-locker, and it did not disable audio.
[13:10] <brainwash> even after 10 seconds?
[13:11] <brainwash> pulseaudio disables the audio if you switch to a different vt, but only if you run it as user process
[13:11] <bennypr0fane> brainwash, bluesabre: thanks, everything worked. Man, I'm so glad I didn't have to contact IBM support for anything!
[13:11] <jarnos> brainwash, yes.  Re-enable should be done manually at least with lockers I know.
[13:11] <bluesabre> bennypr0fane: congrats, glad to hear it :)
[13:11] <brainwash> bennypr0fane: that's awesome :)
[13:13] <brainwash> jarnos: it should be fairly easy to write a script for that
[13:22] <jarnos> brainwash, actually I usually don't want to disable audio when I lock. I mute manually, when I want.
[13:27] <brainwash> jarnos: problem solved I'd guess.. or you have more questions?
[13:33] <jarnos> brainwash, yes, thanks. I checked ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log There are some GPU errors. I guess they are somehow related to bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80568
[13:37] <jarnos> brainwash, what is this startxfce4.log?
[15:05] <ixspector> Hello. I want to try the xubuntu linux OS, which version do you recommend, 14.04 or 14.10? thanks
[15:05] <cfhowlett> ixspector, 14.04 is long term support
[15:07] <ixspector> cfhowlett: If I choose 14.10 it is only 9 months am I right? So can I upgrade to the following releases?
[15:07] <cfhowlett> ixspector, yes you can upgrade to the next release
[15:08] <ixspector> cfhowlett: And is it safe?
[15:08] <cfhowlett> ixspector,  safe"  ... sure.  bleeding edge tends to be bloody.  your choice.
[15:09] <ixspector> cfhowlett: which one do you use?
[15:09] <cfhowlett> ixspector, LTS only.
[15:09] <cfhowlett> ixspector, I upgrade every 2 years.  I'm happy.
[15:10] <ixspector> Yea I think I might stay with the LTS too. Since Xfce doesn't tend to change much as well. I prefer to keep it simple and stable, therefore I like this DE
[15:12] <ixspector> cfhowlett: So this is more or less like using Debian stable for 2 years? I know the release dates for Ubuntu and Debian are different though
[15:14] <cfhowlett> ixspector, I cant' speak to debian as I've never used it.  LTS has a 3 year support life on xubuntu.  It gets an upgrade every 2 years.  I wait for the first point release and grab it >>> 12.04.5 >>> 14.04.1
[15:15] <ixspector> I think I will follow that same way too. So you download the first LTS point release or you simply upgrade from the previous LTS?
[15:17] <cfhowlett> ixspector, I run the previous version e.g. 12.04 until the the successor reaches first point release, e.g. 14.04.1
[15:17] <cfhowlett> and I clean install.  but that's just me.
[15:25] <ixspector> cfhowlett: ok, thank you
[15:25] <cfhowlett> ixspector, fun fact: ubuntustudio = xubuntu + the studio metapackages.  have fun.
[15:28] <ixspector> cfhowlett: I was actually looking for a simple desktop environment that is not too fancy and is good enough for work and Internet. I saw MATE, LXDE and Xfce, would you say that Xfce is the best choice then?
[15:29] <cfhowlett> ixspector, simple = lxde or xfce4.  both are lightweight, familiar (XP-like)
[15:55] <xubuntu58w> hello
[15:56] <xubuntu58w> once xubuntu has been installed, how do i get it to initialise? I hear grub will let me pick between windows and linux?
[15:57] <cfhowlett> xubuntu58w, properly installed, grub will offer the choice of windows/linux on boot
[15:58] <xubuntu58w> alright
[15:59] <xubuntu58w> once downloaded, a xubuntu folder opens
[15:59] <xubuntu58w> where do i go from here?
[15:59] <cfhowlett> xubuntu58w, !!!
[15:59] <cfhowlett> did you install xubuntu?
[16:00] <xubuntu58w> 14.04.1 yes. If there's an install option in the folder, i'm not seeing it (the sub folder marked install is useless)
[16:01] <cfhowlett> xubuntu58w, and what OS are you running right now?
[16:01] <xubuntu58w> windows 7
[16:01] <xubuntu58w> thanks btw
[16:01] <cfhowlett> xubuntu58w, you doin it wrong
[16:01] <xubuntu58w> hmm?
[16:01] <cfhowlett> !install | xubuntu58w
[16:01] <xubuntu58w> thanks
[16:37] <gaardito> just installed xubuntu 14.04 on my old toshiba netbook... a new life for him
[17:00] <xubuntu09w> me again
[17:00] <xubuntu09w> i downloaded xubuntu via unetbootin, and after rebooting as told i'm struggiling to find the next step
[17:02] <drc> xubuntu09w: Did you boot <FROM> the USB stick or just let the boot default to the HHD?
[17:03] <drc> er..HDD...:(
[17:03] <xubuntu09w> to the hard drive
[17:04] <drc> Boot FROM the USB stick
[17:04] <xubuntu09w> so you have to use a usb?
[17:05] <drc> OK,  I'm missing context here...I'll let whomever was helping you earlier take back over.
[17:06] <xubuntu09w> well, earlier i installed xubuntu from the site with no usb, and opened a folder which was a dead end. Other then that there's nothing to tell
[17:06] <xubuntu09w> *windows 7
[17:11] <drc> OK...try this (i.e. read this...carefully).  Everywhere it says Ubuntu substitute Xubuntu (the installer is the same). If you want 14.10 rather than 14.04 just grab the 14.10 iso.
[17:11] <drc> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-desktop
[17:11] <xubuntu09w> ok
[17:14] <n-iCe> hi
[17:15] <drc> xubuntu09w: As to getting getting the Xubuntu iso onto a dvd or usb in windows, I have no idea, haven't used windows in many many years.
[17:16] <xubuntu09w> I'm transferring what i previously installed onto a usb now
[17:16] <xubuntu09w> and done
[17:16] <n-iCe> you can use unetbootin on windows, to create a xubuntu bootable usb drive
[17:16] <drc> xubuntu09w: You can't just copy the iso onto a USB, it won't work.
[17:16] <n-iCe> I don't use Windows either, but I have seen it works for Win.
[17:16] <n-iCe> drc: what do you use
[17:17] <xubuntu09w> ok, so best bet reinstall and follow the linked instructions
[17:17] <drc> n-iCe: dd or unetbooting (depending on whether I'm istalling to a full or partitioned USB.
[17:18] <n-iCe> drc: I mean as host OS
[17:18] <drc> xubuntu09w: Yes, I would.
[17:18] <n-iCe> main OS
[17:18] <drc> n-iCe: Haiku
[17:18] <xubuntu09w> i got nothing
[17:19] <n-iCe> never heard of it
[17:19] <xubuntu09w> same thing as before, just a folder and no popup options
[17:19] <xubuntu09w> this is the link i'm using
[17:19] <xubuntu09w> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/
[17:20] <xubuntu09w> i'll try extracting to the usb
[17:20] <drc> xubuntu09w: no
[17:21] <Alexfrench> i have this too on my virtualbox
[17:21] <drc> You've grabbed the iso, not you need ti burn (properly) to a dvd or usb...just copying won't work
[17:22] <drc> soory about spelling...dog wants a petting :)
[17:22] <xubuntu09w> wont extracting cut it? not copying?
[17:22] <xubuntu09w> go get some tactile feedback :)
[17:22] <drc> xubuntu09w: what OS are you using now?
[17:22] <xubuntu09w> windows 7
[17:23] <drc> xubuntu09w: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows  As far as I know it's current.
[17:23] <Alexfrench> drc said you have to burn it on a dvd as an iso image, not to drag it to copy it
[17:23] <xubuntu09w> so how do i burn?
[17:24] <Alexfrench> with a dvd burner
[17:24] <Alexfrench> if you have one
[17:24] <xubuntu09w> i'll use the link
[17:24] <n-iCe> as image
[17:24] <n-iCe> to make it bootable
[17:25] <drc> xubuntu09w: Here's another link...between the 2 you should be able to accomplish it.
[17:25] <drc> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[17:25] <xubuntu09w> fucking malware
[17:25] <drc> !language
[17:26] <xubuntu09w> and/or ads
[17:26] <xubuntu09w> sry
[17:26] <fscktheworld> i think you have to use that pen drive program, dont you? its been forever since ive used windows, though
[17:27] <xubuntu09w> now, which link is real
[17:27] <xubuntu09w> i'm trying but half the downloads are clickbait
[17:29] <xubuntu09w> nope, not a real one to be seen. Moving on
[17:30] <n-iCe> what=
[17:30] <n-iCe> xubuntu09w: what do you want.
[17:30] <drc> xubuntu09w: I have no idea what you are talking about, neither of the two links I gave have "click bait".
[17:30] <fscktheworld> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[17:30] <fscktheworld> yeah i didnt get that either, drc
[17:30] <drc> so, therefore...I'm out.
[17:30] <xubuntu09w> i'm getting this premier download manager packaged with it, at the very least
[17:31] <xubuntu09w> sry for trouble, it is frustrating
[17:32] <xubuntu09w> ah, that's better, finally the real link
[17:36] <fscktheworld> which link did you use?
[17:38] <xubuntu09w> the blue one when you scroll down on this page http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[17:38] <n-iCe> why not to use unetbootin?
[17:38] <xubuntu09w> beneath the walthrough
[17:38] <n-iCe> don't get it
[17:39] <xubuntu09w> i tried, but after it told me to reboot i forgot the next step
[17:39] <fscktheworld> i think i used unetbootin when i installed my first linux distro.
[17:39] <xubuntu09w> might try again
[17:40] <xubuntu09w> let's see with the usb
[17:40] <fscktheworld> why give up on the first try?
[17:40] <fscktheworld> just re-run it
[17:40] <xubuntu09w> ok
[17:42] <Alexfrench> sorry it works with any distribution of linux ??
[17:43] <fscktheworld> i believe so?
[17:43] <fscktheworld> i think i used unetbootin to install debian on a crappy computer a friend gave me
[17:43] <Alexfrench> cool one day i'll try with a new usb card
[17:45] <xubuntu09w> well, i put it on the usb, and magic failed to happen. It might be because autorun was blocked by my antivirus
[17:46] <xubuntu09w> i'll retry unetbootin now
[17:49] <sleezio> hello, i'm having some issues with xubuntu and geforce gtx 750 ti driver....i had to download the drive from nvidia, install it, pc works fine, but if i go to settings > dsiplay, it only shows resolution of 800x600...but it's actually on 1920x1080, but since i opened display and it's set at 800x600, when i close display, it drops my res to 800x600 and when i reboot, pc doesn't acknowledge the driver i installed...also, in additional drivers, it shows
[17:49] <sleezio>  nothing there, window is blank..no drivers listed...and my nvidia setting icon is missing in settings, but the link is still there, i can open nvidia settings, but when i try to close the window freezes, i have to force it closed...what am i missing to fix this?
[17:49] <ali1234> use nvidia-settings
[17:50] <sleezio> ali1234, the link in settings?
[17:50] <ali1234> you should have installed the driver with additional drivers in the first place
[17:50] <sleezio> ..not sure i follow what you're refering
[17:50] <sleezio> it doesn't show any
[17:50] <ali1234> if you download the driver from nvidia, you will mess up your system
[17:51] <xubuntu09w> i'm downloading unetbootin to the usb drive this time, and i;ll boot from that as suggested
[17:51] <sleezio> i had no choice, when i put new gtx750 card in, pc wouldn't acknowledge vidcard
[17:51] <sleezio> couldn't even see bios/post
[17:51] <fscktheworld> xubuntu09w - are you trying to put xubuntu on your computer?
[17:52] <ali1234> how did you download the driver then?
[17:52] <sleezio> downloaded it, then shut x server down, ran the nvidia bash script
[17:52] <fscktheworld> im confused as to why you are putting unetbootin on the usb drive
[17:52] <sleezio> a screenshot of additional drivers: http://i.imgur.com/nlDbolz.png
[17:53] <ali1234> how did you do any of that if the computer would not even post?
[17:55] <sleezio> i had to put old card back in, then put new one in and i saw post...entered xubuntu ..ctrl_alt_F1, logged in, stopped lightdm, ran nvidia script...everything installed fine, but display doesn't show but 800x600 res, nvidia setting is acting goofy and if i open display, it forces card to go 800x600, then pc on reboot won't recognize card(no opst on screen)
[17:55] <sleezio> and as you seen in that screenshot, additional drivers don't show anything
[17:55] <ali1234> you hotswapped the video card while the computer was turned on?
[17:56] <sleezio> no
[17:56] <ali1234> well, how do you expect it to identify the video card if it isn't plugged in?
[17:56] <sleezio> when i put the old card back in and start xu, i can go to additional drivers i see the drivers as well as the 'the driver you manually installed'...so i'm guessing thats resetting the driver which enables my new card to boot next time
[17:57] <ali1234> no, if your computer does not post with the video card plugged in, your video card is broken and you should return it
[17:57] <sleezio> it does when the driver i installed is set current
[17:57] <sleezio> but
[17:58] <sleezio> if i open display in settings, it auto resets my res to 800x600...i can't pick 1920..it's not listed, so i have to reboot, when i reboot, pc doesn't recognize card again
[17:59] <sleezio> so i have to put old card back in, reboot, let it reset driver, then shutdown, put new card in and boot up, it works
[17:59] <ali1234> the driver has no effect on post
[18:00] <sleezio> well, new card won't show post unless i put old card back in then swap again back to new
[18:00] <ali1234> did you disable the onboard graphics?
[18:00] <sleezio> why am i not seeing any 'additional drivers'?
[18:01] <fscktheworld> shouldnt a nvidia driver already be included in the distro?
[18:01] <ali1234> yes
[18:01] <sleezio> my bios settings doesn't have that topion, only to choose between pci and pcie
[18:01] <fscktheworld> yeah there is something wrong with the card
[18:01] <ali1234> if it really doesn't post for any reason, that is faulty hardware
[18:02] <sleezio> like now, i have it working
[18:02] <ali1234> the only exception is if the post screen goes to the onboard video card because you didn't disable it
[18:02] <sleezio> i can reboot 100000x and it boots fine
[18:02] <sleezio> but if i set res different, it'll no longer see post
[18:02] <fscktheworld> if it cant see any resolution its the card
[18:04] <sleezio> ok, so if i were to boot from live cd, should i see 'additional drivers'?
[18:05] <fscktheworld> if you boot from a live cd, do you run into the same problem?
[18:05] <ali1234> yes
[18:05] <ali1234> but of course, you can't boot ANYTHING if the computer won't post
[18:05] <ali1234> not even windows
[18:05] <sleezio> about to boot live now and see
[18:06] <sleezio> it will see post until i change res
[18:06] <sleezio> back in a few
[18:06] <ali1234> that is impossible, but w/e
[18:06] <fscktheworld> hahahah
[18:07] <xubuntu09w> yes i am fsck
[18:08] <xubuntu09w> should i just install to the hard drive or boot to the usb
[18:09] <fscktheworld> install unetbootin to your hard drive and run it from there
[18:09] <xubuntu09w> i tried
[18:09] <fscktheworld> what does it do?
[18:09] <xubuntu09w> then forgot the next step
[18:09] <xubuntu09w> lol :P
[18:09] <xubuntu09w> i'll retry
[18:09] <fscktheworld> ok so run it again?
[18:09] <xubuntu09w> affirmative!
[18:10] <drc> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
[18:10] <drc> xubuntu09w: Did you even bother to read either of the two links I sent you earlier?
[18:11] <fscktheworld> drc - apparently not
[18:11] <fscktheworld> unetbootin isnt that hard to use.
[18:16] <sleezio> ok, i'm on live boot now, additional drivers first reads 'searching'...then 'no additional drivers found'
[18:16] <sleezio> looks like it's the default nueveau driver in use at 1024
[18:20] <xubuntu09w> i did, and i never got any of those windows. Hence why i'm attempting to get to that initial stage
[18:21] <xubuntu09w> multitasking i'm afraid, reason it took this long
[18:21] <drc> nope...totally confused again...out :(
[18:25] <xubuntu09w> right
[18:26] <xubuntu09w> on the final part of the unetbootin wizard, where it tells me to reboot, it instructs "After rebooting, select the UNetbootin menu entry to boot."
[18:27] <xubuntu09w> i couldn't find that menu entry when i tried this last tme
[18:27] <xubuntu09w> *time
[18:27] <bekks> xubuntu09w: Configure your BIOS to boot from your USB device.
[18:28] <xubuntu09w> i'm doing it on my hard drive
[18:28] <bekks> Uhm, why? :)
[18:28] <fscktheworld> aaaaaah, i thought you were doing something else
[18:29] <fscktheworld> ok yeah do it on your usb
[18:29] <xubuntu09w> *head desk* *10x speed* *combo breaker!*
[18:29] <xubuntu09w> thanks
[18:53] <xubuntu09w> keeping this here just in case
[18:53] <xubuntu09w> After rebooting, select the USB boot option in the BIOS boot menu.
[19:06] <xubuntu37w> sorry, my conection failed
[19:06] <xubuntu37w> how do i fiddle with the bios?
[19:07] <holstein> xubuntu37w: thats quite specific per machine.. there should be directions with the manufacturer.. and the hardware will need to provide support for what you are trying to do.. what are you trying to do?
[19:09] <xubuntu37w> i'm trying to boot up xubunut on my usb
[19:10] <holstein> xubuntu37w: you dont need the bios for that.. you can use unetbootin, or a few other tools.. that'll make a live USB
[19:10] <xubuntu37w> i've installed it with unetbootin
[19:10] <xubuntu37w> and it intsructed me to fiddle with the bios
[19:10] <holstein> xubuntu37w: unetbootin doesnt "install", really.. it just makes the live iso's bootable from usb
[19:10] <xubuntu37w> so whaddaya do?
[19:11] <holstein> xubuntu37w: it depends on what im trying to accomplish
[19:11] <holstein> xubuntu37w: the bios settings are per machine.. you can usually google search how to get to those settings.. and i'll just try a few.. usually, on newer hardware, you dont need to change bios settings.. but, you can just hit a key that pulls up a boot menu
[19:11] <xubuntu37w> i want to install xubuntu on my windows 7 pc
[19:11] <xubuntu37w> ah ty
[19:12] <holstein> xubuntu37w: sure.. nothing about xubuntu or linux or ubuntu is preventing that. but, you must keep in mind, you didnt install *any* operatings sytems on that hardware. it came with windows, and you were not promised you would be able to easily install any operating system you like
[19:12] <xubuntu37w> ok
[19:12] <holstein> !dualboot
[19:14] <holstein> the first step is to get the installation media made.. then, to boot it.. then, i like to test the linux desktop on the hardware live, before installing.. i like to see if all the hardware works well, and if not, how challenging it might be to provide support for it, since that is my responsiblity
[19:14] <xubuntu37w> how do i do that?
[19:14] <xubuntu37w> well, first things first
[19:14] <xubuntu37w> i'll restart and initialise the bios
[19:15] <holstein> xubuntu37w: how do you do what? run the installation media live? there is a menu where you can choose "try it live"
[19:15] <xubuntu37w> but only once you've booted right
[19:15] <holstein> xubuntu37w: nothing about xubuntu or linux is suggesting you "initialize" any bios
[19:15] <xubuntu37w> it's what this unetbootin is telling me
[19:15] <xubuntu37w> it's a bit of a sordid tale
[19:16] <holstein> xubuntu37w: yes.. once you, as following the list i gave, 1. make the installation media, and 2. boot the media, you can 3. (which is optional, but i suggested it) try it live
[19:16] <holstein> xubuntu37w: no.. unetbootin is *not* suggesting you 'initialize' any bios settings
[19:16] <holstein> xubuntu37w: you likely have a shortcut key that will prompt you want you would like to boot, and you dont need to change the bios settings at all
[19:17] <xubuntu37w> handy
[19:17] <xubuntu37w> a grub shortcut?
[19:17] <holstein> xubuntu37w: you will have to either, google search about that, or ask the manufacturer, which may consider that a void of the warranty..
[19:17] <holstein> xubuntu37w: no
[19:18] <holstein> xubuntu37w: this is *all* before *any* operating system.. in the hardware's firmware, or bios
[19:18] <xubuntu37w> ok
[19:18] <holstein> xubuntu37w: i have several machines, that, at boot, they really quickly show something like "press f9 for bios f10 for boot menu"
[19:19] <xubuntu37w> that's what i thought
[19:19] <holstein> xubuntu37w: i press f10, in that scenario, and i get a prompt, from which, if the hardware supports it, i can choose the USB stick i made
[19:19] <xubuntu37w> i'll restart and try that
[19:19] <xubuntu37w> ty
[19:19] <holstein> xubuntu37w: your hardware is *specific*.. that is not a blanket thing
[19:19] <holstein> xubuntu37w: it may or may not be f10, or an option.. or, support usb boot, or booting of *anything*
[19:20] <holstein> if the hardware manufacturer wants, they can lock it down where you cannot boot anything but what they promised you would boot when you bought it..
[19:57] <xubuntu38w> Success!
[19:57] <xubuntu38w> thank you drc, h something, and all others implicated!
[19:59] <n-iCe> did you install xubuntu succesfyully?
[19:59] <n-iCe> successfully?
[19:59] <drc> Yeah Team!  And just I was girding up my loins for another attempt :)
[20:23] <xubuntu367> sfs
[20:34] <doren> Hi Please someone tell me which PPAs are safe to enable from these: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev . Thanks
[20:42] <brainwash> doren: hey there. did you read the PPA descriptions?
[20:43] <doren> brainwash: Are they really unstable? I know some people use it
[20:44] <brainwash> not necessary unstable, but you use them at your own risk
[20:45] <doren> brainwash: Which ones do you think are less risky?
[20:47] <brainwash> mmh, the extras ppa contains additional/new software
[20:47] <brainwash> the 4.10 one can be ignored anyway (unless you are still using ubuntu 12.04)
[20:47] <doren> Yea it includes some additional, neat stuff. What about Xfce 4.12?
[20:47] <doren> Only Xfce 4.12 and Extras seem interesting for me
[20:49] <ali1234> 4.12 isn;t released yet, it doesn't exist
[20:49] <doren> ali1234: I know, but right now Xubuntu is using the development releases
[20:49] <ali1234> the staging ppa is the closest you will get without building from source yourself
[20:49] <ali1234> i use it, not had any problems i can remember
[20:49] <brainwash> staging is basically a daily ppa
[20:50] <drc> doren: I'm going ask only one question:  Do you know how to back out a ppa correctly if one of them breaks something?
[20:50] <brainwash> but the question is, do you really need any of these PPAs (not including the extras PPA)?
[20:50] <doren> drc: yes
[20:50] <drc> If  yes, then take your pick...that answers my question :)
[20:51] <doren> brainwash: Xfce 4.12 has for example a new version of whisker menu
[20:52] <doren> brainwash: It will eventually get Xfce 4.12 final once it is released
[20:52] <ali1234> the staging PPA is the most useful for bug reporting, i think
[20:52] <brainwash> indeed
[20:52] <ali1234> as in, that's what we are going to recommend testers to use
[20:53] <ali1234> so if you are using it, we might pay more attention to your reports
[21:05] <doren> ok, thanks guys
[21:58] <xubuntu00w> I'm not sure I'm in the right place to ask this, but... I am using xubuntu dual boot with windows 7.  I think my problem has something to do with the disk names of my partitions.  I can not recognize either my scanner or cd rom drive.  Are there any resources anyone can point me to in order to learn how to configure/mount disks or other hardware?
[22:10] <teaearlgraycold_> So I'm trying to dualboot Xubuntu and Win8. I've disabled fastboot and secureboot. I'm doing a custom installation as Xubuntu can't find Windows8.
[22:11] <teaearlgraycold_> Can you guys let me know if this partition layout it cool?
[22:13] <teaearlgraycold_> http://pastebin.com/8RpZXakP
[23:30] <CyL> Hi, in Xubuntu 14.04 I have the packagepython-tk installed, but trying to import tkinter from the interactive interpreter, yelds me an error saying python could'nt find any module named tkinter
[23:43] <xubuntu75w> There is someone who speak spanish, I need help!
[23:43] <drc>  !es
[23:44] <xubuntu75w> ok thanks.
[23:54] <lfarnell> Hello everyone
[23:55] <lfarnell> i was wondering if someone could help me with mapping keyboard shortcuts