=== kadams54 is now known as kadams54-away === kadams54 is now known as kadams54-away === kadams54-away is now known as kadams54 === kadams54 is now known as kadams54-away === kadams54 is now known as kadams54-away === kadams54 is now known as kadams54-away [19:41] morning [19:44] morning thumper [19:44] morning [21:31] davecheney: how about making that method "StackTrace() []string" ? [21:53] davecheney: also, why are you hung up on one space after a period? [21:53] I was always tought to use two [21:53] and I always do [21:54] outdated typewriter days :P [21:54] rick_h_: not just that, I still think it looks better with two [21:55] unless you are using tex which does it auto-magically [21:57] it was that way in enlish class in school but by college it had changed [21:57] thumper: at least as far as techincally correct I think. [21:58] technically decided by whom? [21:58] http://www.mlahandbook.org/fragment/faq#How_many_spaces [21:58] MLA [21:58] WTF is MLA? [21:58] it was the standards guide/book we used in school a decade ago [21:58] writing guide body for papers/research/etc in the US [21:59] As a practical matter, however, there is nothing wrong with using two spaces after concluding punctuation marks [21:59] Complete Manual on Typography (2003) states that "The typewriter tradition of separating sentences with two word spaces after a period has no place in typesetting" and the single space is "standard typographic practice". [21:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing [22:00] rick_h_: does the MLA say to spell "colour" as "color" as well? [22:00] at this point it's just uncommon and inconsistant [22:01] There is a debate on which convention is more readable, but the few recent direct studies conducted since 2002 have produced inconclusive results.[13] [22:01] heh [22:01] let's try an measure something entirely subjective... [22:01] thumper: yea, so it's just common practice these days most folks have gone to 1 space post the typewriter [22:01] * thumper is just old [22:01] thumper: and a lot of folks don't even konw where the two space thing came from [22:01] yep :) [22:23] waigani: quick catch up now? [22:23] thumper: sure [22:23] waigani: or would you prefer around 1:30? [22:23] now's good [22:23] ok [22:23] jump in the normal hangout [22:23] for thee 1:! [22:43] thumper: stacktrace sounds good [22:43] one space after period, it's the law [22:43] whose law? [22:44] thumper: http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html [22:47] wallyworld_, thumper: the backport for that container scoped relations fix for 1.20 is here. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/470/diff/ [22:48] menn0: thanks, typically you can land backports without review [22:48] well i do [22:49] wallyworld_: ok. the only thing is I did the setup for one of the tests differently in 1.20 to avoid having to pulling in revs for stuff the tests for the orig fix relied on [22:49] wallyworld_: that might be worth a quick look [22:49] sure, will do [22:50] thumper: are you able to look at bug 1392745 - judging by the title, there may be an issue with system-identity and upgrades which affects juju-run [22:50] Bug #1392745: juju run doesn't after upgrade to 1.20.11

[22:50] waigani: not in a quick turn around [22:50] sorry, wallyworld_ [22:50] wallyworld_: it's a little hacky but I think it's ok given that the hack only exists in the 1.20 branch and is fairly localised [22:51] thumper: sorry for? [22:51] wallyworld_: not in a quick turn around [22:51] on call reviewer, and other calls today [22:51] ok, np [22:51] and only parent, so taking kid to physio after school too [22:51] sure [22:51] regarding bug 1386143, my reading of the final comments is that the problem was resolved in beta1 so perhaps it can be closed now. [22:52] Bug #1386143: 1.21 alpha 2 broke watch api, no longer reports all services

[22:52] wallyworld_: ^^ [22:52] i think so too [22:52] wallyworld_: ok i'll close it [22:54] menn0: you exported AddCharm just for the test? [22:54] wallyworld_: yes. I wouldn't normally have except that this was a backport to 1.20. [22:54] wallyworld_: originally I had copied the body into clone...() [22:54] menn0: why not put it in export_test? [22:55] wallyworld_: it is [22:55] wallyworld_: [aA]ddCharm is in export_test.go [22:55] doh, can't red, sorry [22:55] read [22:55] cant' write either :-p [22:55] sigh [22:55] but then either can I.... [22:55] still drinking first coffee [22:56] neither [22:56] fark [22:56] lol [22:56] i've had 3 coffees so i have no excuse [22:56] although i did go to bed too late [22:59] must have been a good party