[19:41] <thumper> morning
[19:44] <rick_h_> morning thumper
[19:44] <thumper> morning
[21:31] <thumper> davecheney: how about making that method "StackTrace() []string" ?
[21:53] <thumper> davecheney: also, why are you hung up on one space after a period?
[21:53] <thumper> I was always tought to use two
[21:53] <thumper> and I always do
[21:54] <rick_h_> outdated typewriter days :P
[21:54] <thumper> rick_h_: not just that, I still think it looks better with two
[21:55] <thumper> unless you are using tex which does it auto-magically
[21:57] <rick_h_> it was that way in enlish class in school but by college it had changed
[21:57] <rick_h_> thumper: at least as far as techincally correct I think.
[21:58] <thumper> technically decided by whom?
[21:58] <rick_h_> http://www.mlahandbook.org/fragment/faq#How_many_spaces
[21:58] <rick_h_> MLA
[21:58] <thumper> WTF is MLA?
[21:58] <rick_h_> it was the  standards guide/book we used in school a decade ago
[21:58] <rick_h_> writing guide body for papers/research/etc in the US
[21:59] <thumper> As a practical matter, however, there is nothing wrong with using two spaces after concluding punctuation marks
[21:59] <rick_h_> Complete Manual on Typography (2003) states that "The typewriter tradition of separating sentences with two word spaces after a period has no place in typesetting" and the single space is "standard typographic practice".
[21:59] <rick_h_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing
[22:00] <thumper> rick_h_: does the MLA say to spell "colour" as "color" as well?
[22:00] <rick_h_> at this point it's just uncommon and inconsistant
[22:01] <thumper> There is a debate on which convention is more readable, but the few recent direct studies conducted since 2002 have produced inconclusive results.[13]
[22:01] <thumper> heh
[22:01] <thumper> let's try an measure something entirely subjective...
[22:01] <rick_h_> thumper: yea, so it's just common practice these days most folks have gone to 1 space post the typewriter
[22:01]  * thumper is just old
[22:01] <rick_h_> thumper: and a lot of folks don't even konw where the two space thing came from
[22:01] <rick_h_> yep :)
[22:23] <thumper> waigani: quick catch up now?
[22:23] <waigani> thumper: sure
[22:23] <thumper> waigani: or would you prefer around 1:30?
[22:23] <waigani> now's good
[22:23] <thumper> ok
[22:23] <thumper> jump in the normal hangout
[22:23] <thumper> for thee 1:!
[22:43] <davecheney> thumper: stacktrace sounds good
[22:43] <davecheney> one space after period, it's the law
[22:43] <thumper> whose law?
[22:44] <davecheney> thumper: http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html
[22:47] <menn0> wallyworld_, thumper: the backport for that container scoped relations fix for 1.20 is here. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/470/diff/
[22:48] <wallyworld_> menn0: thanks, typically you can land backports without review
[22:48] <wallyworld_> well i do
[22:49] <menn0> wallyworld_: ok. the only thing is I did the setup for one of the tests differently in 1.20 to avoid having to pulling in revs for stuff the tests for the orig fix relied on
[22:49] <menn0> wallyworld_: that might be worth a quick look
[22:49] <wallyworld_> sure, will do
[22:50] <wallyworld_> thumper: are you able to look at bug 1392745 - judging by the title, there may be an issue with system-identity and upgrades which affects juju-run
[22:50] <mup> Bug #1392745: juju run doesn't after upgrade to 1.20.11 <canonical-bootstack> <regression> <run> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.21:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392745>
[22:50] <thumper> waigani: not in a quick turn around
[22:50] <thumper> sorry, wallyworld_
[22:50] <menn0> wallyworld_: it's a little hacky but I think it's ok given that the hack only exists in the 1.20 branch and is fairly localised
[22:51] <wallyworld_> thumper: sorry for?
[22:51] <thumper> wallyworld_: not in a quick turn around
[22:51] <thumper> on call reviewer, and other calls today
[22:51] <wallyworld_> ok, np
[22:51] <thumper> and only parent, so taking kid to physio after school too
[22:51] <wallyworld_> sure
[22:51] <menn0> regarding bug 1386143, my reading of the final comments is that the problem was resolved in beta1 so perhaps it can be closed now.
[22:52] <mup> Bug #1386143: 1.21 alpha 2 broke watch api, no longer reports all services <api> <regression> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-gui:Invalid> <juju-quickstart:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386143>
[22:52] <menn0> wallyworld_: ^^
[22:52] <wallyworld_> i think so too
[22:52] <menn0> wallyworld_: ok i'll close it
[22:54] <wallyworld_> menn0: you exported AddCharm just for the test?
[22:54] <menn0> wallyworld_: yes. I wouldn't normally have except that this was a backport to 1.20.
[22:54] <menn0> wallyworld_: originally I had copied the body into clone...()
[22:54] <wallyworld_> menn0: why not put it in export_test?
[22:55] <menn0> wallyworld_: it is
[22:55] <menn0> wallyworld_: [aA]ddCharm is in export_test.go
[22:55] <wallyworld_> doh, can't red, sorry
[22:55] <wallyworld_> read
[22:55] <menn0> cant' write either :-p
[22:55] <wallyworld_> sigh
[22:55] <menn0> but then either can I....
[22:55] <wallyworld_> still drinking first coffee
[22:56] <menn0> neither
[22:56] <menn0> fark
[22:56] <wallyworld_> lol
[22:56] <menn0> i've had 3 coffees so i have no excuse
[22:56] <menn0> although i did go to bed too late
[22:59] <wallyworld_> must have been a good party