[00:00] <TheBlackRussian> i dont want to return to windows :( i want a solution. You know i was going to buy you lot vodkas for this as a thank you but no i rather save myself
[00:05] <ali1234> bug in launchpad has an "easy" workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1358936
[00:06] <TheBlackRussian> what about the rest
[00:07] <ali1234> rest of what?
[00:07] <TheBlackRussian> thats only the launchpad
[00:07] <TheBlackRussian> what about the desktop
[00:07] <TheBlackRussian> the windows
[00:08] <ali1234> launchpad is a website
[00:08] <ali1234> it is the bug tracker specifically for ubuntu
[00:08] <TheBlackRussian> what is launchpad?
[00:08] <ali1234> >_<
[00:09] <ali1234> it doesn't matter
[00:09] <TheBlackRussian> im serious, us russians are 2 years if not 10 years behind everyone else
[00:09] <TheBlackRussian> or at least where i came from
[00:09] <ali1234> reboot into your normal install
[00:09] <ali1234> then i will tell you how to apply the workaround
[00:09] <TheBlackRussian> give me 2 minutes
[00:10] <penguin42> ali1234: I couldn't tell from #29 if the fix was in drm-intel-next, in which case it might be in the ppa, but I'm not sure it is
[00:13] <ali1234> the problem seems to be share GPU memory getting swapped out, when it is swapped back in it is swizzled
[00:14] <daftykins> but guys he offered you free drinks! ugh :P
[00:15] <TheBlackRussian> before we do this, does this get rid of the screen artifacts
[00:15] <ali1234> maybe
[00:16] <TheBlackRussian> if it does i will buy you a good vodka for you
[00:20] <ali1234> are you ready then?
[00:20] <TheBlackRussian> im always ready
[00:21] <ali1234> okay, open a terminal
[00:21] <ali1234> run "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[00:22] <TheBlackRussian> instaliing
[00:22] <TheBlackRussian> done
[00:22] <ali1234> run "free -m | pastebinit" and then paste the link it prints
[00:23] <TheBlackRussian> i do that in  the terminal
[00:23] <ali1234> yes
[00:23] <TheBlackRussian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9034204/
[00:24] <ali1234> okay, now run "sudo nano -w /etc/default/grub"
[00:25] <TheBlackRussian> bunch of things came up
[00:25] <ali1234> right it is a text editor
[00:25] <TheBlackRussian> ## If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update # /boot/grub/grub.cfg. # For full documentation of the options in this file, see: #   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'  GRUB_DEFAULT=0 #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""  # Uncomment to en
[00:25] <daftykins> don't paste here
[00:25] <ali1234> find the line that says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[00:26] <ali1234> change it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="mem=1590mb"
[00:26] <TheBlackRussian> can i copy that in the test editor
[00:27] <ali1234> no
[00:27] <TheBlackRussian> okay i believe i have done that
[00:28] <ali1234> press ctrl-o enter ctrl-x
[00:28] <ali1234> this will save and quit
[00:28] <TheBlackRussian> do i press y
[00:29] <ali1234> you just press enter
[00:29] <TheBlackRussian> enter didnt work so i press y which took me to a bunch of other things ^^
[00:30] <ali1234> then you didn't follow the instructions correctly
[00:30] <ali1234> i bet it says the file is read-only and is now asking you for a different file name
[00:31] <TheBlackRussian> file name to write: /etc/default/grub
[00:31] <ali1234> yeah, you didn't run nano with sudo
[00:31] <TheBlackRussian> confused
[00:32] <ali1234> press ctrl-c to cancel saving then ctrl-x to quit
[00:32] <ali1234> confirm you don't want to save changes
[00:32] <ali1234> now run it again "sudo nano -w /etc/default/grub"
[00:33] <TheBlackRussian> okay
[00:33] <TheBlackRussian> down
[00:33] <TheBlackRussian> *done
[00:33] <ali1234> make the edit again and press ctrl-o enter to save
[00:34] <ali1234> then ctrl-x to quit
[00:34] <TheBlackRussian> the same thing as before
[00:35] <ali1234> show me a screen shot
[00:35]  * daftykins wonders if this is the install or live session right now
[00:36] <TheBlackRussian> may take a while, give me 3 mins
[00:38] <TheBlackRussian> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwdapa7bxyndakf/Screenshot%20from%202014-11-16%2000%3A35%3A51.png?dl=0
[00:39] <ali1234> okay, press ctrl-o
[00:40] <TheBlackRussian> okay
[00:40] <ali1234> now press enter
[00:40] <TheBlackRussian> i send you a another screen shot just in case
[00:41] <TheBlackRussian> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwdapa7bxyndakf/Screenshot%20from%202014-11-16%2000%3A35%3A51.png?dl=0
[00:41] <TheBlackRussian> wait
[00:41] <TheBlackRussian> okay
[00:41] <TheBlackRussian> is it correct what im doing
[00:42] <ali1234> i don't know, that's the same screenshot
[00:42] <TheBlackRussian> is it?
[00:43] <daftykins> exact same link yip
[00:44] <TheBlackRussian> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6g227rhkp18jrj/Screenshot%20from%202014-11-16%2000%3A43%3A39.png?dl=0
[00:44] <ali1234> okay, press enter
[00:46] <TheBlackRussian> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uc1uqjmy6rl56qk/Screenshot%20from%202014-11-16%2000%3A45%3A29.png?dl=0
[00:46] <ali1234> okay, press ctrl-x
[00:46] <TheBlackRussian> okay everything went
[00:46] <ali1234> good.
[00:47] <ali1234> now run "subo update-grub"
[00:47] <ali1234> sorry, "sudo update-grub"
[00:47] <TheBlackRussian> theres more ._.
[00:48] <daftykins> chin up.
[00:48] <TheBlackRussian> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgw3wcw5j58o3a5/Screenshot%20from%202014-11-16%2000%3A47%3A46.png?dl=0
[00:48] <ali1234> now reboot and you are done
[00:49] <TheBlackRussian> reboot?
[00:49] <TheBlackRussian> you serious
[00:49] <ali1234> yes reboot
[00:49] <ali1234> yes
[00:49] <daftykins> you'll have to bookmark your vietnam songs
[00:49] <ali1234> the kernel command line option you entered only applies at boot up
[00:50] <TheBlackRussian> be back 2 minutes. thanks dafty for that tip
[00:52] <TheBlackRussian_> holy moly it much faster than before
[00:52] <TheBlackRussian_> it took 5 secs to boot up ubuntu
[00:52] <ali1234> that seems unlikely, but i guess it is possible
[00:52] <ali1234> what this workaround does is reserve 384mb for use only by the graphics card
[00:52] <ali1234> this prevents GPU memory from being swapped
[00:53] <ali1234> it does mean you have less memory for programs though
[00:53] <TheBlackRussian_> really? Because firefox opened fasterwith all my tabs will there
[00:53] <ali1234> well maybe that is because t isn't swapping graphics memory
[00:54] <penguin42> ali1234: Nice find
[00:54] <TheBlackRussian_> i own you vodka for making my computer into super fast
[00:54] <TheBlackRussian_> f
[00:54] <ali1234> dont worry that was just your old connection closing
[00:55] <TheBlackRussian_> oh thought i was banned
[00:55] <TheBlackRussian_> now will this stop screen artifacts
[00:55] <ali1234> hopefully
[00:56] <daftykins> odd that older intel chipsets still have issues
[00:56] <TheBlackRussian_> i will give it 10 minutes
[00:56] <ali1234> daftykins: they keep rewriting the acceleration code
[00:58] <penguin42> and then not really checking them on old stuff I think
[00:59] <daftykins> :/
[01:09] <TheBlackRussian_> ali do you want good news?
[01:09] <TheBlackRussian_> or bad news
[01:10] <penguin42> is smoke involved?
[01:11] <TheBlackRussian_> nope
[01:11] <TheBlackRussian_> well kind of
[01:17] <TheBlackRussian_> the screen artifacts has returned
[01:20] <ali1234> you can try reserving more memory for GPU but you don't really have much memory in the system
[01:22] <TheBlackRussian_> reserving more memory? I reserved about 500mb
[01:22] <ali1234> yeah, people reported needing to reserve up to 1000mb
[01:22] <ali1234> but that is half of your memory
[01:22] <ali1234> plus it might not even work
[01:23] <ali1234> you could try it though, it's not hard to undo
[01:23] <TheBlackRussian_> what are the chances for it working
[01:23] <ali1234> no idea
[01:23] <ali1234> check if the workaround is even working first
[01:23] <ali1234> free -m | pastebinit
[01:25] <TheBlackRussian_> i did that
[01:25] <TheBlackRussian_> in terminal
[01:26] <TheBlackRussian_> i get a website
[01:26] <ali1234> paste it
[01:26] <TheBlackRussian_> here?
[01:26] <ali1234> yes
[01:27] <TheBlackRussian_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9034950/
[01:27] <ali1234> yeah it's working
[01:27] <ali1234> and you are also using swap
[01:27] <TheBlackRussian_> is that good?
[01:27] <ali1234> not really no
[01:27] <ali1234> you can try setting mem=1024mb
[01:28] <TheBlackRussian_> hell no
[01:28] <ali1234> this probably won't leave enough memory for programs though
[01:28] <TheBlackRussian_> 1024 is too much
[01:28] <TheBlackRussian_> at the moment
[01:28] <TheBlackRussian_> i can get more ram in
[01:28] <ali1234> yeah i was just about to suggest that
[01:28] <TheBlackRussian_> but not now
[01:29] <TheBlackRussian_> maybe in 2 days time
[01:29] <TheBlackRussian_> i try 1024. What ram is good for ubuntu
[01:29] <ali1234> doesn't matter
[01:29] <TheBlackRussian_> can you give me the steps again
[01:30] <TheBlackRussian_> really tried, its 1:30 here and need to sleep in 30 mins or else i be dead as hell
[01:30] <TheBlackRussian_> and my sleeping pattern will chang
[01:30] <ali1234> the steps are here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/188641177/Bug%20Report%20-%20Intel%20X4500%20Garbled%20Graphics%20Fix.pdf
[01:31] <TheBlackRussian_> can you start me off
[01:32] <ali1234> sudo nano -w /etc/default/grub
[01:32] <ali1234> make changes
[01:32] <ali1234> ctrl-o enter ctrl-x
[01:32] <ali1234> sudo update-grub
[01:32] <ali1234> reboot
[01:33] <TheBlackRussian_> so i put in 1024 right
[01:33] <ali1234> the amount you put in is the amount to use for programs, whatever is left will be used for GPU
[01:34] <TheBlackRussian_> wait does this affect my window 7
[01:34] <ali1234> no
[01:34] <TheBlackRussian_> okay
[01:34] <TheBlackRussian_> give me 2 mins
[01:34] <TheBlackRussian_> can i log off?
[01:34] <TheBlackRussian_> or do i have to reboot
[01:34] <ali1234> you have to reboot when changing it
[02:07] <daftykins> urgh that was horrible
[02:08] <daftykins> i'm eating a bowl of crunchy nut corn flakes, i got to this large clump of them that hadn't formed properly - it was all soft :S
[02:08] <daftykins> kinda tasted like peanut butter
[02:09] <penguin42> you do realise it's 2am ?
[02:10] <daftykins> yep
[02:10] <daftykins> that was breakfast.
[02:10] <penguin42> breakfast - at 2am?
[02:11] <daftykins> needless to say i'm a rather wonky individual when it comes to waking hours
[02:11] <daftykins> i was up all night and even had breakfast down in the restaurant beside me at ~9am
[02:12] <daftykins> played some game until mid-day then slept until midnight
[02:12] <penguin42> well yes, I was about to go to bed; I guess I need to switch back to normal hours on Monday
[02:12] <penguin42> after a week off
[02:13] <daftykins> :D
[02:13] <daftykins> i hope you made the best of it!
[02:14] <penguin42> hmm, well, got a few things done I'd been planning to, couple of days out and about, taking it easy
[02:14] <daftykins> excellent
[02:14] <daftykins> one of the Canadian chap volunteers from #ubuntu is enjoying some time in Vegas this weekend
[02:15] <daftykins> they freaked a bit when he started up his laptop at security and didn't recognise the OS, apparently
[02:15] <daftykins> then they imaged up his drives =|
[02:15] <penguin42> and I've just succeeded in the (very first bit) of one thing I was intending to do, which was build a kernel for my phone; not hacked around much with it yet
[02:15] <penguin42> daftykins: !
[02:16] <daftykins> ah nice, android, or?
[02:16] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh, android/cyanogenmod 11, but wanted to fiddle with the kernel a bit
[02:17] <daftykins> neat :D
[02:17] <daftykins> i've put CM11 on a couple of devices
[02:17] <daftykins> it's a bit annoying having to use fastboot to push a new kernel to one of them, with every different build i flash on
[02:17] <penguin42> this one is an odd Oppo Find 7 phone, I won it, but it's default ROM was very odd, but it is known for having a lot of other ROMs available
[02:18] <penguin42> daftykins: Imaging a laptop just because they didn't recognise the OS is very odd
[02:18] <daftykins> ah well that's more of a mistake on my wording most likely
[02:18] <daftykins> i think the Canada <-> US border does a lot of drive imaging regardless
[02:19] <daftykins> he said they disassembled his machine
[02:19] <penguin42> wow
[02:19] <daftykins> that may've just meant for drive access though
[02:19] <penguin42> still wow, I mean I can see demoing they want to power the machine on to know it's not a bomb or anything, but that's just mean
[02:20] <daftykins> yep :(
[02:21] <daftykins> i want to visit a friend in the upper peninsula of Michigan next year some time, there's another mate just over the water in Canada too
[02:21] <daftykins> makes you wonder what they'd consider doing though if i had a laptop in tow
[02:22] <penguin42> sounds like you should take one with a nice simple image on
[02:23] <daftykins> indeed!
[02:24] <penguin42> it's odd, I thought the general belief was they treated Canadian's as harmless
[02:25] <daftykins> i guess anyone running Linux could be a hacker ;)
[02:25] <penguin42> there was a video done a few years ago to highlight the difference between canadian and mexican borders, of two guys walking across the canadian border in a pantomime horse
[02:26] <daftykins> XD
[05:01] <map> hi all
[05:01] <map> the night owls up again?
[05:01] <map> L(
[05:01] <map> :)
[05:09] <daftykins> twit-twoo
[05:11] <map> hey
[05:11] <map> :)
[05:11] <daftykins> mornin'
[05:12] <daftykins> got that laptop yet?
[05:12] <map> nah
[05:12] <map> still says preparing for dispatch
[05:12] <map> del date expected 18th nov - 22nd
[05:16] <daftykins> it'll be Christmas before i know it :(
[05:17] <map> heh
[05:17] <map> yep
[05:17] <map> unexciting eh
[05:18] <daftykins> definitely had a few to many of them now
[05:19] <map> annoying how excited people get..wow presents and junk food
[05:19] <map> what are you..12
[05:19] <map> :D
[05:19] <daftykins> hehehe
[05:58] <map> arrow s3e1 then SLEEP:d
[08:42] <zmoylan-pi> +++breaking news+++ it's sunny outside and not raining
[08:42] <daftykins> !
[08:43] <daftykins> heh, the sun coming out brought rain, here
[08:43] <daftykins> seems to have halted though
[08:43] <zmoylan-pi> either that of the floodwaters are reflecting the meagre amount of light to make it look much brighter than it is
[08:44] <daftykins> is it really flooding by you 0o
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> well i live on a hill and despite the weathers spirited attempts at leaving 2-3" of standing water it has drained away nicely, thank you isaac newtown
[09:35] <SuperEngineer> morning folks - I'm back... and freenode now knows it's real me! ;)
[09:35] <daftykins> morning o/
[09:39] <SuperEngineer> curently watching a spat on twitter between Anonymous the KKK swine - KKK issuing threats - Anonymous laughs :D
[09:40] <SuperEngineer> guess who's taking who's server down.... I feel so sorry for KKK swine - NOT!
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> but aren't the kkk more inclusive now? :-p
[09:42] <SuperEngineer> lol
[09:42]  * zmoylan-pi has hot porridge to chase away the cold
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> and if true it might make them a smidge more tolerant than gamergate shower
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> but that's a big IF
[09:44] <SuperEngineer> hmmmmm - bad is bad no matter what face it wears
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> and once i saw this pic of the kkk i could never take them seriously again... http://www.pinterest.com/pin/47569339787070339/
[09:47] <SuperEngineer> having just seen that pic I  now have a stomach ache - from laughing
[09:47] <daftykins> what ever do you mean zmoylan-pi ? that's just halloween in a small town
[09:47] <daftykins> ;)
[10:01] <TheBlackRussian> Hey Ali,  my computer don't boot ubuntu now. It's slow as my grandma if not slower.
[10:05] <daftykins> how far does it get? and what did you do?
[10:05] <TheBlackRussian> I was told to get 1024 of ram to my graphics
[10:05] <TheBlackRussian> Did so
[10:06] <TheBlackRussian> rebooted
[10:06] <TheBlackRussian> It shows the purple screen
[10:06] <TheBlackRussian> *Give not get
[10:07] <SuperEngineer> did you do that in BIOS?
[10:07] <SuperEngineer> [if so - restore to previous setting?]
[10:07] <daftykins> no, GRUB kernel parameters
[10:07] <SuperEngineer> oh!
[10:07] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: so change it back.
[10:08] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, +1
[10:08] <daftykins> this here fine user is getting some nasty intel embedded graphics corruption
[10:08] <SuperEngineer> yup
[10:08] <TheBlackRussian> how do I changet it back
[10:09] <daftykins> !recovery | TheBlackRussian
[10:11] <TheBlackRussian> to be honest with you guys I don't even have access to my computer.  don't know why I came on so early
[10:11] <daftykins> as in you're not near it?
[10:11] <daftykins> oh well, see the above link and bear it in mind for when you are
[10:12] <TheBlackRussian> about 23 miles away
[10:12] <daftykins> :D
[10:12] <SuperEngineer> TheBlackRussian, write down the link given - use it from wherever & whenever is best for you
[10:13] <SuperEngineer> ...prefereably not a toilet though!  ;)
[10:14] <daftykins> http://thehackernews.com/2014/11/rootpipe-critical-mac-os-x-yosemite.html
[10:14] <TheBlackRussian> I don't have a clue. I come on later when I have access to my computer. Either way we'll I'm here do you know how to get of screen artifacts
[10:14] <daftykins> hah.
[10:14] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: you've already been given the best advice, really. your issue isn't fixed and probably won't be for some time if at all
[10:15] <daftykins> was it a laptop?
[10:15] <TheBlackRussian> The best advice I was given was to throw my computer at the window but can't do so because I'm a poor man :(. It's a desktop
[10:16] <daftykins> buy a graphics card for it
[10:17] <TheBlackRussian> Have to wait for christmas
[10:17] <TheBlackRussian> Don't have time
[10:17] <daftykins> alright, i don't need your life story
[10:18] <daftykins> :)
[10:18] <TheBlackRussian> Nor money! I broke my gaming rig because my new sad failed to boot windows
[10:18] <SuperEngineer> a thought - what about a complete Ubuntu reinstall?  That would also overwrite the grub mess-up... and you could tell the install to keep existing /home intact
[10:18] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: no, it's an intel driver flaw, ali1234 found
[10:19] <SuperEngineer> oooops
[10:19] <SuperEngineer> my bad
[10:19] <daftykins> that's alright, you didn't know the events of last night :>
[10:20] <SuperEngineer> too true
[10:21] <daftykins> i'm really impressed by how far folding@home has come along
[10:21] <daftykins> the client now has CPU + GPU operation integrated
[10:21] <TheBlackRussian> guY's,  I have a laptop. It has 1gig of ram and have intel hd in but the screen has been punched. It boots with a monitor but doesn't boot at the first bit (I don't see f1 etc.) Is there a way to bypass this
[10:22] <daftykins> no
[10:22] <daftykins> something with 1GB RAM, bury it.
[10:22] <daftykins> :)
[10:24] <TheBlackRussian> glad the laptops not mine. What happens if I stole that 1gig stick and put it in my computer. will the screen artifacts go away
[10:24] <daftykins> no.
[10:24] <daftykins> they might not even be compatible
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> my main computer has 1g of ram, and i'm looking at using a rasp pi as a replacement with 512mb :-)
[10:25] <daftykins> oh don't make things more awkward by offering false hope :P
[10:25] <TheBlackRussian> 1 sec. need to play some vietnam song before I go mental.  These screen artifacts are killing me
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> yeah i like weird low spec systems and it's very much an endurance test for most
[10:26] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: i thought you said you were miles away from it.
[10:26] <TheBlackRussian> I'm in a tablet which is miles away
[10:26] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: heh, i can't stand anything running slowly
[10:26] <daftykins> i'm worse now that i have SSDs everywhere
[10:27] <TheBlackRussian> how can I being my destop with me all the time
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> it's a test of character daftykins :-)
[10:27] <directhex> my desktop only has 12G RAM. i'm basically using a commodore 64 here.
[10:27] <TheBlackRussian> by the time I get home I be a old man
[10:27] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: nah i started with low spec, i have no desire to go back
[10:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:30] <daftykins> hi sir
[10:30] <brobostigon> morning daftykins
[10:31] <brobostigon> ali1234: thank you, thats very helpful.
[10:38] <popey> Morning.
[10:38] <daftykins> morning sir
[10:39] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:40] <SuperEngineer> o?
[10:41] <brobostigon> o?
[10:41] <TheBlackRussian> drafty, your telling me theY's no solution to screen artifacts what so ever
[10:42] <popey> bah, wifey asking me to prioritise everything on my amazon wishlist
[10:43] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: they might fix the driver in time, but there's no guarantee.
[10:43] <popey> the whole point of having 8 pages of stuff is so other people choose, not me
[10:43] <directhex> popey, let me tell you a story of an un-prioritized wishlist
[10:43] <popey> haha
[10:43] <popey> i have prioritised it a bit
[10:43] <directhex> popey, i was given a ps4 camera, from my wishlist. i don't own a ps4 yet.
[10:43] <brobostigon> people go for the cheapest?
[10:44] <directhex> this was last xmas.
[10:44] <popey> lightsabre chopsticks, low
[10:44] <popey> ah, oops
[10:44] <directhex> i was also bought a vita game from my wishlist. but not the vita which was also on the list.
[10:44] <aquarius_> directhex, there are, perhaps, some who might say: why is there a camera you can't use on your wishlist?
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> how were they to know that you didn't get the vita?
[10:44] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[10:44] <TheBlackRussian> Oh, I'm the only person in the world if not few who has a low intel graphics who experience this problem Why does god hate :( Who's fixing this problem
[10:44] <popey> aquarius_: you prioritise it below the thing that it goes with, is the idea, i think
[10:45] <directhex> zmoylan-pi, it was on the wishlist!
[10:45] <popey> TheBlackRussian: what problem, take a photo and show me.
[10:45] <aquarius_> popey, I see the theory, but to me the priority of your list is how much you want the things, not how much I want to buy them for you (which is largely governed by price :))
[10:45] <TheBlackRussian> http://askubuntu.com/questions/547982/ubuntu-14-10-screen-artifacts-how-do-i-fix?noredirect=1#comment751464_547982
[10:45] <popey> TheBlackRussian: also "lspci | grep Graphics
[10:45] <daftykins> two friends have just bought PS4's whilst another two of us have Xbox Ones :/ life = ruined!
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> yes and that just suggests it was looking like you'd have a vita by the time you got the vita game
[10:46] <popey> TheBlackRussian: excellent
[10:46] <daftykins> popey: ali1234 already found an intel driver bug on launchpad i believe
[10:46] <TheBlackRussian> quiet dafty
[10:46] <TheBlackRussian> Your putt ING him off
[10:47] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: you might not think so but i'm helping you, by giving others shortcuts so you don't waste their time
[10:47] <popey> TheBlackRussian: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21191  ?
[10:47] <popey> oh there's loads of intel video driver bugs ☻
[10:48] <popey> TheBlackRussian: have you filed a bug?
[10:48] <daftykins> let me see if i can find last nights link
[10:48] <daftykins> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1358936
[10:49] <popey> awesome bug title
[10:49] <daftykins> :D
[10:49] <daftykins> it's occurring on memory swap i think was the idea
[10:50] <popey> well, the fact that chris wilson knows about it...
[10:50] <TheBlackRussian> No I haven't
[10:50] <popey> given he's the intel video driver maintainer
[10:51] <popey> TheBlackRussian: i would... run "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel" on the command line and follow the prompts (will need a launchpad id)
[10:51] <popey> but it could be a duplicate of that bug daftykins mentioned, but I'd let chris figure that out
[10:52]  * popey plays a bit of openspades.
[10:52] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: did you install 14.04 64-bit on your machine?
[10:52] <daftykins> i think that on 2GB RAM is a bit meh.
[10:53] <daftykins> probably contributes to this issue
[10:53] <TheBlackRussian> Popey I'm about 23 miles from my computer, i install ed 64 bt
[10:54] <TheBlackRussian> ty ping non a tablet is hard when eating
[10:54] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: you said you had a gaming machine, why not put the graphics card from that in? :P
[10:54] <daftykins> even a £25 card would probably avoid that issue
[10:55] <TheBlackRussian> I broke my rig months ago. Sold all working bits. Ubuntu don't need a graphics card! the website of ubuntu doesn't stat you need a graphics card
[10:55] <popey> it does?
[10:55] <daftykins> lmao.
[10:56] <aquarius_> TheBlackRussian, you don't need a *separate* graphics card, indeed; motherboards have graphics cards built into them, and Ubuntu works fine with those too.
[10:56] <daftykins> aquarius_: that's what's in use and that's what's bugged
[10:56] <daftykins> not much point giving generic advice if you don't follow the conversation :)
[10:56] <aquarius_> daftykins, sure, yep; I have read.
[10:57] <daftykins> oh, how come you said that then 0o
[10:57] <directhex> well.actually.cat
[10:57] <directhex> motherboards don't have built-in graphics any more.
[10:57] <daftykins> cat you say, hmmm
[10:57] <daftykins> indeed, but that's irrelevant pedantry sir ;)
[10:58] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo
[10:58] <TheBlackRussian> Fair enough but what you said means my computer SHOULD work
[10:58] <aquarius_> TheBlackRussian, the issue is that there's a bug with the driver for that built-in graphics card. So people are suggesting that you try using a separate graphics card instead -- not because Ubuntu *requires* one, but because there is a bug with the driver for the one you have, and the quickest way to solve that would be to use a different card (which won't have the driver bug).
[10:58] <TheBlackRussian> normally
[10:58] <TheBlackRussian> No,  not doing it until Christmas.
[10:59] <daftykins> it probably would if you went back to 12.04.5 for a couple of years
[10:59] <aquarius_> TheBlackRussian, your computer should work, indeed. It's a bug that it doesn't, and the people who need to fix it know about the bug, and will likely fix it in time. That doesn't help you today, though, so what we're suggesting is that you help yourself a bit by avoiding the problem and having a different graphics card -- even a cheap one will be fine.
[10:59] <daftykins> +1
[11:00] <aquarius_> daftykins, the generic advice was step 1 in the explanation.
[11:00] <daftykins> i've a feeling we're going to be seeing this guy asking the same thing rather regularly
[11:01] <TheBlackRussian> Christmas is when I go back to Russia. since I'm a poor man I will,  rob a graphics card from a shop, get beaten up and arrested, than pay the police money to let me go and return to uk :)
[11:01] <aquarius_> directhex, I think I'd count "a separate graphics card which is attached to the motherboard when the mobo is purchased and cannot be purchased without it nor detached" as "built in graphics"?
[11:02] <TheBlackRussian> 100 pound is like 10,000 for them
[11:02] <aquarius_> directhex, or perhaps I'm missing your point here?
[11:03] <aquarius_> daftykins, it is frustrating when something doesn't work and the answer is "well, it doesn't work. It might get fixed, it might not. Perhaps you could fix it", especially when you're relatively new to Ubuntu.
[11:03] <aquarius_> daftykins, hell, I find it annoying and frustrating, and I've been doing this forever :)
[11:03] <directhex> aquarius_, the GPU is integrated into the CPU, it's not part of the motherboard
[11:03] <aquarius_> directhex, really?
[11:04] <aquarius_> blimey!
[11:04] <aquarius_> I did not know that
[11:04] <TheBlackRussian> I own your vodka Aquarius if you tell them lot to fix my CRAP
[11:04] <daftykins> aquarius_: alright, you don't need to tell me
[11:04] <aquarius_> I think my internal picture of how a computer works is about ten years out of date :)
[11:04] <daftykins> yip graphics has been on-die for a while now
[11:05] <daftykins> what'll really bake your noodle is storage coming straight off the CPU too.
[11:05] <directhex> aquarius_, for a few years now. AMD "APU"s and Intel "HD" graphics on most of their low-mid CPUs
[11:06] <aquarius_> TheBlackRussian, it will likely get fixed, but when someone gets a chance and the inclination. You could accelerate the process by offering incentives to people for fixing the bug -- https://www.bountysource.com is good for this -- or perhaps filing the bug upstream at intel and working with those Intel engineers to get it fixed -- https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/how-report-bugs explains about that.
[11:08] <TheBlackRussian> Come on, that will take forever! believe it or not I may be a dead man in 2 weeks time... I want a fix nowwwwww or todayyyyy
[11:09] <daftykins> Look, nobody has a silver bullet for your problem.
[11:10] <TheBlackRussian> How look was the bug out there for? And how long n does it take for bugs to be fixed
[11:11] <daftykins> how long is a piece of string?
[11:11] <TheBlackRussian> What string?
[11:12] <daftykins> a hypothetical piece of string
[11:12] <daftykins> the point is nobody knows how long.
[11:12] <TheBlackRussian> unknowm
[11:12] <TheBlackRussian> I will give them hell 24-7 until they fix it
[11:13] <TheBlackRussian> Been out there for ages
[11:13] <daftykins> well you better not go on about it in here.
[11:14] <TheBlackRussian> What's that bug link
[11:14] <aquarius_> ha. linuxatemyram.com. That link might be useful to explain to people :)
[11:14] <daftykins> aquarius_: yeah, gets used in #ubuntu quite a lot
[11:15] <aquarius_> I'd not seen it before. Nice explanation, although it could do with being hit with the design stick a bit :)
[11:15] <TheBlackRussian> iT's say DONT PANIC YOUR RAM IS FINE
[11:15] <SuperEngineer> "please give money/thanks/love to the maintainer... not whinges"...  That also  might be useful to explain to people :)
[11:16] <aquarius_> TheBlackRussian, that link is not about your issue.
[11:16] <TheBlackRussian> ._.
[11:16] <popey> TheBlackRussian: you could install an older version of ubuntu which may not exhibit the issue
[11:16] <popey> or indeed try a different linux distro which may have an older kernel and driver
[11:17] <daftykins> ^ like 12.04.5 as mentioned earlier
[11:17] <popey> as a workaround until this is fixed
[11:17] <popey> yes, that would be super
[11:17] <TheBlackRussian> how can I report a bug?
[11:17] <daftykins> you were told already
[11:17] <daftykins> and stick to 32-bit since you only have 2GB RAM
[11:17] <popey> i mentioned it above
[11:17] <popey> 10:51:14 < popey> TheBlackRussian: i would... run "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel" on the command line and follow the prompts  (will need a launchpad id)
[11:18] <popey> haha, forgot about my cron job making thiese http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph-20141115-120001.png
[11:18] <popey> nice to see it's rising
[11:19] <daftykins> 'Click' makes me think of the BBC tech program
[11:19] <TheBlackRussian> If install 32 bit on ubuntu 14.04 will it make the problems go, also I have seen s**t ton of computer with bad specs yet they run ubuntu flawlessly
[11:19] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: nope
[11:19] <aquarius_> popey, and I was pleased to see the stats for downloads work now, after jamestait told me about them :)
[11:19] <popey> they always worked ☻
[11:19] <popey> i think you're mixing us up with ffos ㋛
[11:20]  * aquarius_ laughs
[11:20] <popey> need to figure out how to add markers for particular dates on this graph
[11:20] <popey> like release dates and competitions
[11:21] <aquarius_> ffos stats *still* do not work for riddling.
[11:21] <TheBlackRussian> I will install ubuntu 12.04.5. How good is compared to 14.04
[11:21] <popey> wow
[11:21] <popey> TheBlackRussian: much the same
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> Except for the security support
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> which will last shorter
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> (because more time has passed already since release)
[11:22] <popey> true dat
[11:22] <TheBlackRussian> so every thing about 12.04.5 is the same to ubuntu 14.04
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> TheBlackRussian: no, lots of things have new versions in 14.04. But to use it, it's mostly the same.
[11:23] <TheBlackRussian> and this will get rid of screen artifacts
[11:25] <daftykins> maybe.
[11:26] <popey> i just had to vnc into my mums ubuntu computer, which is running 12.04
[11:26] <TheBlackRussian> ._.   how do I report a bug? on a website
[11:26] <TheBlackRussian> On ubhntu
[11:32] <TheBlackRussian> One more thing, what's the name of the bug
[11:35] <SuperEngineer> bbs - need to switch distro to check I'm still "me" there as well - changed stuff last night, need to check I changed it back!  :D
[11:39] <popey> TheBlackRussian: I don't understand what you're asking
[11:41] <TheBlackRussian> The screen artifacts bug < Name of bug
[11:41] <popey> right, i told you how
[11:41] <popey> run "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel" on the command line
[11:42] <popey> it will give you a link to click, which opens in your browser
[11:42] <TheBlackRussian> Can't do thay
[11:42] <popey> there you can describe the issue
[11:42] <popey> why?
[11:42] <TheBlackRussian> 23 miles from my computer,  i told you before
[11:42] <popey> well you can do it when you're 23 miles nearer your computer
[11:42] <popey> it doesn't have to be done right now
[11:42] <popey> because, lets face it, the bug won't get fixed today
[11:43] <TheBlackRussian> No no I will make sure they fix it
[11:43] <popey> No, you won't.
[11:43] <popey> You'll likely irritate people into not wanting to fix it, in all likelyhood.
[11:43] <TheBlackRussian> That's bad
[11:44] <popey> really?
[11:44] <popey> You think people should jump when you snap your fingers?
[11:44] <popey> Good luck with that life goal.
[11:44] <TheBlackRussian> Yeah, over 2 million people have the same bug as me,  I'm they saver
[11:44] <TheBlackRussian> If you get me
[11:44] <popey> Meanwhile, back in planet earth.
[11:45] <TheBlackRussian> Only I suffer
[11:45] <popey> No, I'm sure multiple people have this issue.
[11:45] <popey> I can't quantify how many.
[11:45] <popey> But if you filed a bug and asked around, maybe a few other people with the same make/model of laptop could confirm it
[11:45] <TheBlackRussian> Let's say a billion to make sound important
[11:45] <popey> It sucks that you have this issue, but don't feel that your issue is the highest priority for someone else, just because it is for you.
[11:46] <daftykins> what a tricky customer.
[11:46] <TheBlackRussian> No no in russia we demand for things
[11:46] <TheBlackRussian> If not we get they beeep
[11:47] <TheBlackRussian> That will teach them customers services
[11:47] <popey> Well, we both know you're not in russia.
[11:47] <popey> Unless Sky broadband have a very very long ethernet cable to your house.
[11:48] <TheBlackRussian> Nor in planet earth, either way I want the name of the bug. How did you I have sky?
[11:52] <TheBlackRussian> That bug website you sent me stat the problem is swapping and that we shold disable swapping
[11:52] <TheBlackRussian> Yes, I confirm this to be an issue with swapping. Disabling swap resolves the issue of garbled graphics at the memory peak level. If you're running a computer with enough ram, the swap partition can permanently be disabled by adding "swapoff -a" to "/etc/rc.local"  This is merely just a workaround. Hope it gets fixed soon.
[11:53] <popey> you have 1GB RAM, turning off swap would probably not be wise in the long term
[11:53] <popey> but you could do it to test, sure.
[11:53] <TheBlackRussian> why is it not a wise thing to do?
[11:53] <popey> because you only have 1GB RAM, and once you start using apps you will fill that up
[11:54] <popey> and swap gives a bit of breathing room
[11:56] <TheBlackRussian> okay
[11:56] <TheBlackRussian> How do I do
[11:56] <popey> How do you do.
[11:57] <TheBlackRussian> Great,  hoe do you do that swap thing
[11:58] <popey> sudo nano /etc/rc.local
[11:58] <TheBlackRussian> wait
[11:58] <popey> Above the "exit 0" line, put "swapoff -a"
[11:58] <TheBlackRussian> save it for later
[11:58] <popey> no, you ☻
[11:58] <popey> ctrl+x to save, reboot
[11:58] <TheBlackRussian> No no no save it later
[11:58] <popey> You still make no sense.
[11:59] <popey> Oh look, a penny
[11:59]  * popey wanders off
[12:00] <TheBlackRussian> Is he gone
[12:01] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: write down the links and commands from above and hassle us when you're home maybe. you're being very frustrating
[12:03] <TheBlackRussian> I be on in 6 hours
[12:03] <TheBlackRussian> You be on
[12:25] <Myrtti> what a lovely person
[12:27]  * brobostigon turns on his sarcasm filter in his aspie brain.
[12:27] <daftykins> total nutjob.
[12:34] <foobarry> teenagers
[12:35] <brobostigon> hormonal
[12:36] <SuperEngineer> whoremonal?
[12:36] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[12:36] <foobarry> just reading about this black pete thing in .nl
[12:44] <popey> hmmm, i am trying to ssh from a to b, using key, but it keeps prompting for password
[12:45] <foobarry> check chmod permissions
[12:45] <popey> yeah, all looks okay
[12:45] <foobarry> and typo /newlines in authorized_keys
[12:45] <popey> .ssh is 700
[12:45] <popey> authorized_keys is 600
[12:45] <foobarry> check chmod of your homedir too
[12:46] <popey>  Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
[12:46] <popey> Next authentication method: publickey
[12:46] <popey> Offering RSA public key: /root/.ssh/id_rsa
[12:46] <popey> Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
[12:46] <popey> then drops to ask for password
[12:46] <popey> its like the other end doesn't like the key
[12:46] <foobarry> how did you transfer the pub key
[12:46] <popey> copy/paste
[12:47] <foobarry> double check the key in the file?
[12:47]  * popey re-pastes
[12:47] <foobarry> there's an ubuntu script
[12:47] <popey> ssh-add-key
[12:47] <aquarius_> popey, ssh-copy-id again?
[12:47] <popey> i cant do that
[12:47] <popey> the account has no password
[12:47] <aquarius_> oh
[12:48] <foobarry> make sure you don't copy paste any carriage returns
[12:48] <foobarry> sorry if that sounds condescending
[12:48] <aquarius_> give it a password, ssh-copy-id, take the password away again? ;)
[12:48] <popey> i copied the way i do for all keys
[12:48] <popey> yeah, that might have to be last resort
[12:48] <aquarius_> hack city, I admit
[12:48] <popey> oh, hang on
[12:49] <popey> something wrong here, can't ssh with password I just set
[12:49] <popey> wonder if it's going to the wrong host
[12:49] <foobarry> permitrootlogin in sshd_config?
[12:49] <popey> PermitRootLogin without-password
[12:49] <popey> to only use keys
[12:50]  * popey removes without-password temporarily
[12:50] <penguin42> popey: check /var/log/auth.log on the host to see if it is moaning
[12:50] <foobarry> i had one the other day where authorized keys was spelt with an s
[12:50] <popey> heh, broke the sshd_config
[12:50] <awilkins> gnnf
[12:51] <penguin42> popey: You can also increase LogLevel in the sshd_config
[12:52] <Myrtti> I realised few days back you can have too many SSH keys
[12:52] <Myrtti> I added a bitbucket key and some ssh connections started to fail
[12:53] <popey> "Failed password "
[12:53] <popey> but I literally just set it
[12:53]  * popey sets again
[12:53] <popey> nope, doesn't like it
[12:54] <TheWhiteRussian> I'm back but white
[12:54] <popey> is there a setting in ssd which lets me login _with_ a password as root?
[12:54] <popey> i have PermitRootLogin without-password already
[12:54] <popey> ahh, "yes"
[12:54] <foobarry> ^
[12:54] <TheWhiteRussian> I'm 23 miles from nearer to my computer, in fact just sitting in front of it
[12:55] <popey> \o/ password login works
[12:55] <Myrtti> popey: \o/
[12:55]  * penguin42 wishes ssh would log key problems more easily
[12:55] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: backup, install 12.04.5 32-bit then see how you get on, then. nothing much more to say on the topic until you do.
[12:55]  * popey does the copy-id thing
[12:55] <foobarry> its usually one of 3 things
[12:55] <popey> \o/ ssh with key now works
[12:55] <foobarry> permissions, sshd config or incorrect keys
[12:56] <TheWhiteRussian> so I must install 12.04.5
[12:56] <popey> incorrect key
[12:56] <popey> was the answer
[12:56] <popey> now I need to unset the password and undo allowing pw login
[12:57] <popey> \o/ success
[12:58] <popey> now I can kick off a backup ☻
[12:58] <popey> thanks all
[12:58]  * popey hugs rsnapshot
[13:00] <TheWhiteRussian> drafty is it ubuntu 12.04.5 precise pangolin
[13:13] <TheWhiteRussian> Can I try ubuntu 12.04 without installING or do I have to install it
[13:13] <popey> you can try it from a live cd / usb
[13:13] <popey> how long after running does the problem usually occur?
[13:13] <popey> is it immediately after booting or after some time has passed?
[13:13] <TheWhiteRussian> At least half a hour
[13:14] <popey> also note that the live cd might not use swap, so the issue may not appear at all until it's installed
[13:15] <TheWhiteRussian> I mind install in g it as my ubuntu 14.04 is has been cocked but if I was to install ubuntu 12.04.5 do I need to format the drivers again and break them down
[13:29] <map> yay
[13:29] <map> laptop says dispatched
[13:29] <map> :D
[13:29] <map> estimated delivery 20th:D
[13:32] <penguin42> map: What you ordered?
[13:33] <map> just a lenovo i3 8gb 1tb 15inch laptop..after my stupid samsung i5 stopped working..turn it on power light comes on then nachine shus off
[13:33] <aquarius_> hack city, I admit
[13:33] <aquarius_> opos
[13:33] <map> annoyingly i bought a new toshiba 17inch before i left UK but my bag weighed too much so left it at home
[13:40] <penguin42> I wonder what the failure is
[13:40] <penguin42> (in the Sammy)
[13:42] <map> yea it's a bit irritating..don't have any tools or anywhereto take it apart here really
[13:44] <penguin42> did it die just randomly or did you do something before it died?
[13:44] <map> just randomly
[13:45] <map> now the blue light above power switch or round it rather lights up
[13:45] <map> 5sec later off
[13:45] <map> fully charged etc..running off mains
[13:45] <map> doesnt stay on long enough to even see anything post to screen
[13:46] <TheWhiteRussian> okay, I have installed ubuntu,  ubuntu says the graphics says unknown and should I update uubuntu
[13:46] <penguin42> map: Oh that's a bit weird
[13:48] <map> update ubuntu..yes
[13:49] <map> TheWhiteRussian,  wat gfx card
[13:50] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: yes, fully update your install like you normally would. there's absolutely no reason for you to not use it like normal right now
[13:50] <daftykins> map: get your dad to post it to me for fixing ;)
[13:51] <map> =]
[13:51] <map> needs to fix the gfx card unknown issue surely
[13:51] <daftykins> nope
[13:51] <daftykins> irrelevant system info page label
[13:51] <daftykins> it's intel graphics is all
[13:52] <map> oh
[13:52] <TheWhiteRussian> "New Update release 14.04.1 lts is available"
[13:52] <map> :D
[13:52] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: ignore that, just update as normal
[13:52] <TheWhiteRussian> so I don't install,  that
[13:57] <TheWhiteRussian> dafty I don't like ubuntu 12.04.5,  can u update to ubuntu 13
[13:59] <daftykins> no
[13:59] <TheWhiteRussian> why
[13:59] <TheWhiteRussian> ubuntu 13
[13:59] <daftykins> there is nothing supported between 12.04.5 and 14.04.1 and 14.10
[13:59] <daftykins> they're all dead
[13:59] <TheWhiteRussian> confused
[13:59] <daftykins> why don't you like it when they look the same?
[14:00] <TheWhiteRussian> No,  you can't make ubuntu 12.04.5 look sexy
[14:00] <daftykins> right now i'm only concerned with finding out whether your issue remains, you can worry about silly things like aesthetics once you've found a solution :)
[14:01] <directhex> TheWhiteRussian, ubuntu releases are supported for 9 months. except for 12.0 and 14.04, which are several years
[14:01] <directhex> there's no supported 13.x any more, since the newest 13.x released more than 9 months ago
[14:01] <brobostigon> !lts
[14:02] <TheWhiteRussian> If the findings are good can I upgrade to ubuntu 13
[14:02] <daftykins> funny, i normally only get this echo in #ubuntu (:
[14:02] <daftykins> no, as mentioned 13 is dead
[14:02] <TheWhiteRussian> 14?
[14:02] <daftykins> that's what you just came from
[14:02] <TheWhiteRussian> I cant stand using ubuntu 12
[14:03] <daftykins> maybe you should've picked xubuntu instead
[14:03] <daftykins> like i said, worry about that later. find out if the issue is still there first
[14:03] <TheWhiteRussian> No likes dog crap
[14:04] <TheWhiteRussian> God I hate typo
[14:06] <TheWhiteRussian> how can I install unity tweak tool
[14:06] <TheWhiteRussian> On ubuntu 12
[14:07] <daftykins> !info unity-tweak-tool precise
[14:07] <daftykins> ok i made that up.
[14:07] <daftykins> dunno, i'll pass on to someone with more time (i'm watching something)
[14:08] <directhex> it was compizconfig-manager on 12.04 iirc
[14:08] <TheWhiteRussian> If the findings are good can I upgrade drafty
[14:09] <brobostigon> reminds me, i need to update my haiku install, :)
[14:09] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: you don't seem to understand the logic behind this method of solving your problem at all. By going back to 12.04 we're using an older kernel to test if the *older* graphics driver works without issue. If you upgrade, you'll use the newer kernel with the driver that has the problem - so you can't. You have to stay put, understand?
[14:10] <daftykins> well, technically the kernel doesn't have the driver but meh... close enough
[14:10] <TheWhiteRussian> Yes (in reality: FFFFFFFFFFFF)
[14:14] <TheWhiteRussian> it has been half a hour dafty
[14:15] <Azelphur> Anyone see any potential issues with this running (x)ubuntu? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Nov/laptop.png
[14:15] <daftykins> yep optimus :)
[14:16] <Azelphur> well yea but optimus works, I have another optimus laptop
[14:16] <TheWhiteRussian> Finding: To sum up the findings, NO SCREEN ARTIFACT meaning I CAN UPGRADE.  Oorah
[14:17] <directhex> Azelphur,  "optimus works" is hard to say. optimus implementations differ
[14:17] <daftykins> Azelphur: our favourite bee or prime? :D
[14:17] <penguin42> Azelphur: It's depressing that all the high end laptops are going for keypad and moving the touchpad over
[14:17] <Azelphur> daftykins: I use primus
[14:17] <directhex> hidpi screen. linux sucks at hidpi
[14:17] <Azelphur> penguin42: and small return keys, what's up with that.
[14:17] <Azelphur> directhex: so I've been told, I'm prepared for that. XFCE apparently has some support for it
[14:17] <directhex> Azelphur, everything is "some"
[14:18] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: There is no upgrade. I won't tell you again.
[14:18] <directhex> Azelphur, headline unsupported apps: steam, chrome/ium, totem
[14:18] <directhex> daftykins, give up.
[14:18] <Azelphur> don't use totem or chrom(ium), steam needs to get into gear
[14:18] <penguin42> Azelphur: Do they have other keyboard options where that isn't a problem?
[14:18] <Azelphur> seriously steam, get on the ball :P
[14:18] <Azelphur> penguin42: don't think so.
[14:19] <penguin42> Azelphur: Anyway, nice spec - not seen somewhere that does custom laptop builds before; is it actually any cheaper/better than a standard build, say a Lenovo t540p ?
[14:19] <ali1234> xfce doesn't have any support for optimus
[14:20] <Azelphur> penguin42: T540P doesn't have a GPU so I automatically didn't want it
[14:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: ...why on earth would I want to run xfce on the nvidia card?
[14:20] <Azelphur> drain all the battery weeee
[14:20] <ali1234> (14:18:24) Azelphur: directhex: so I've been told, I'm prepared for that. XFCE apparently has some support for it
[14:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: hidpi dude :)
[14:21] <TheWhiteRussian> why no upgrade
[14:21] <ali1234> oh. Xfce doesn't have any support for that either
[14:21] <ali1234> beyond what you get in Gtk2
[14:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#Xfce
[14:21] <ali1234> that only changes font size, like it always did
[14:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: maybe worth switching DE or something then :)
[14:22] <Azelphur> I dunno, we'll see how it looks I guess
[14:22] <penguin42> Azelphur: Some of the t540p are nvidia
[14:22] <Azelphur> penguin42: ah
[14:22] <ali1234> well good luck finding any DE that supports it
[14:22] <Azelphur> penguin42: oh yea I see it, 730M, yuck.
[14:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: ty, I have a feeling I'm gonna need it.
[14:23] <penguin42> Azelphur: Ah, I don't know my nvidia models
[14:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: apparently Cinnamon works well and automatically detects them
[14:24] <Azelphur> penguin42: *30M = crap :)
[14:24] <penguin42> Azelphur: Anyway, that should be a nice laptop if your back can carry it and if the battery lasts for any length of time
[14:24] <Azelphur> *70 = budget gaming, *80 = gaming, *90 = dual 80s
[14:25] <Azelphur> hehe, going through airport security this time is gonna be hilarious
[14:25] <directhex> "titan" = oops we forgot people aren't all oil baron rich
[14:25] <Azelphur> directhex: hahaha
[14:25] <Azelphur> 2 laptops, 2 phones, tablet and smartwatch xD
[14:26] <TheWhiteRussian> draft the results are good, my graphics work in older thing OR my graphic is unknown to ubuntu
[14:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:52] <popey> pondering what to do with potatoes
[14:52] <popey> having ham for tea
[14:52] <popey> might make some cauliflour cheese and maybe hash browns
[14:54] <bigcalm> Be sure to do some juggling with them 1st
[14:54] <popey> i dont tend to juggle
[14:54] <popey> ooh, could do some roast parsnips too
[14:54] <bigcalm> You should give it a go :)
[14:55] <popey> maybe some home made apple sauce
[14:56] <popey> http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/06/crispiest-shredded-hash-browns.html looks helpful
[14:57] <popey> grate, squeeze dry, microwave for 2 mins, fry
[14:57] <bigcalm> Mmm
[14:59]  * popey goes to get his potato grating arms on
[14:59] <popey> ttfn
[15:10] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[15:12] <Azelphur> Anyone here ever successfully used a PC as a bluetooth headset?
[15:12] <Azelphur> I try and set audio profile in blueman to hands free gateway and it just says "Failed to change profile to hfgw"...really useful error
[15:13] <bigcalm> Better than failing silently or just crashing
[15:14]  * Azelphur shrugs
[15:14] <daftykins> lol
[15:23] <TheWhiteRussian> im back drafty :D Now what should i do
[15:24] <daftykins> after my commands above you mean? also i'm not drafty, my house is!
[15:24] <TheWhiteRussian> your house is dafty?
[15:25] <TheWhiteRussian> do  i enter your commands in terminal
[15:26] <bigcalm> It's like checkers
[15:26] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: that's the only place they'd do something, yes :)
[15:26] <TheWhiteRussian> sudo apt-get update
[15:26] <TheWhiteRussian> do apt-get install pastebinit
[15:27] <TheWhiteRussian> pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:27] <TheWhiteRussian> right
[15:28] <TheWhiteRussian> problem
[15:28] <TheWhiteRussian> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' aideed@aideed-OptiPlex-755:~$ apt-get install pastebinit E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[15:30] <bigcalm> TheWhiteRussian: you miss-copied
[15:30] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get update
[15:30] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get install pastebin
[15:31] <TheWhiteRussian> E: Unable to locate package pastebin
[15:31] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[15:31] <bigcalm> Oops
[15:31] <bigcalm> I messed up :)
[15:31] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: i don't charge you any extra for re-reading my sentences :)
[15:31] <daftykins> ty to bigcalm for the assist \o/
[15:32] <TheWhiteRussian> forget about copyrights
[15:32] <TheWhiteRussian> thats old
[15:32] <TheWhiteRussian> even though i get screwed by sky a lot
[15:32] <TheWhiteRussian> can i upgrade to 14?
[15:34] <daftykins> you've ignored me explain why that's not an option, 5 times in a row now
[15:35] <daftykins> if you don't understand me, maybe you should chat to #ubuntu-ru
[15:36] <TheWhiteRussian> why
[15:36] <Anastasius> Oh wow, I'm not banned here. It's a miracle.
[15:36] <TheWhiteRussian> whats wrong with upgrading to 14
[15:36] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: http://i.imgur.com/eGYwV.gif
[15:37]  * bigcalm PMSL
[15:37] <TheWhiteRussian> you really want me to die of laugher dont you? lol.
[15:38] <daftykins> it is your punishment for asking me the same thing for the 6th time :)
[15:38] <daftykins> Anastasius: o/
[15:39] <TheWhiteRussian> i will ask the 7th time and the 8th time and the 9th until i can finally upgrade to 14. Give me a good reason why i shouldnt upgrade to 14
[15:39] <Anastasius> Wait, what am I doing here?
[15:39] <Anastasius> bbl.
[15:40] <daftykins> TheWhiteRussian: i'm sorry, i refuse to deal with you any longer as you ignore my answers.
[15:40] <daftykins> and everyone elses for that matter
[15:40] <daftykins> enjoy 12.04 since it works
[15:40] <TheWhiteRussian> what were your answers? It is because my computer things dont support ubuntu 14
[15:47] <TheWhiteRussian> come on dafty, please man, i buy you vodka if you answer my question in good detail than i go away and cry in the corner
[15:48] <aquarius_> hey, popey, do you know if old summit.ubuntu.com URLs (for sprints/meetings which have now completed) continue to live on forever?
[15:49] <aquarius_> aha!
[15:49] <aquarius_> "Past summits" link.
[15:49] <aquarius_> So they do. Sweet.
[15:50] <aquarius_> goldarnit, I spilled tea on my keyboard earlier and now the enter key keeps sticking
[15:50] <aquarius_> how does one fix this sort of thing?
[15:51] <bigcalm> I have custard creams \o/
[15:51] <daftykins> aquarius_: pop it off and clean it with isopropanol
[15:52] <aquarius_> clean the keycap or the actual keyboard contacts themselves?
[15:53] <aquarius_> also, I haven't got any isopropanol :)
[15:53] <aquarius_> does everyone else own this stuff already?
[15:53] <bigcalm> aquarius_: water down some vodka?
[15:54] <bigcalm> czajkowski: did you sort out your battery woes?
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> aquarius_, if  what you *do* have is time - disconnect it.. and aim the shower head at it!  souunds crazy but if you have time to let it dry [& you are able to take the risk of a fail]... it's a good *last* resort
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> [but always try air duster first!
[15:55] <aquarius_> I am nowhere near annoyed enough about this to put my lovely wireless logitech keyboard in the shower, thank you very much :)
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> ho well
[15:56] <aquarius_> I can see the theory, but the risk of failure there is high enough that it's a big no-no
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> do you want to borrow my lovely Logitech wireless keyboard?
[15:56] <aquarius_> alcohol would be better
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:56] <aquarius_> but I'd have to go out and buy propanol
[15:56] <awilkins> aquarius_, Depends on the keyboard
[15:56] <aquarius_> propan-2-ol, I assume, hence the iso
[15:56]  * aquarius_ checks
[15:57] <aquarius_> yes! I remember some chemistry from university :)
[15:57] <awilkins> What are the switches? Membrane? Mechanical?
[15:57] <awilkins> Don't want to use vicious chemicals that will degrade silicone rubber if it's a membrane keyboard
[15:59] <SuperEngineer> aquarius_, is it's rubber I have a cleaner for that [Lixton fluid] - if you can source that
[15:59] <aquarius_> Cor, don't know whether it's rubber or not. I assume I'd have to take the keycaps off to know that?
[16:00] <daftykins> wireless keyboard!?
[16:00] <awilkins> Are the keys clicky or "fluppy"
[16:00] <daftykins> aquarius_: give me your geek license right now and get out :P
[16:00] <daftykins> ;)
[16:00] <aquarius_> awilkins, fluppy
[16:00] <aquarius_> I don't like clicky keyboards :)
[16:01] <awilkins> Fluppy keys are usually a membrane keyboard, unless you took great care to obtain a mechanical keyboard with non-clicky switches
[16:01] <awilkins> Wireless logitech is probably membrane
[16:01] <awilkins> After spending all that money on the transceiver they ain't going to be splashing out on decent switches
[16:02] <SuperEngineer> and if it's  membrane - a high pressure shower head is a good cure!
[16:02] <aquarius_> "oh look, Logitech, I normally like their stuff, and it's, like, 20 quid for a wireless keyboard and a mouse, sweet" probably is not "great care" ;)
[16:02] <aquarius_> SuperEngineer, I am worried that it's a good cure in the same way that decapitation is a good cure for baldness ;)
[16:02] <SuperEngineer> ...but it *does* cure balness!
[16:03] <aquarius_> Your honour, the defence rests.
[16:05] <SuperEngineer> aquarius_, isopronanol vs new £20 keyboard?.... maybe time for new keyboard - easier to aquire than suffiecient isopropanol
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> and a new keyboard won't rot your old keyboard
[16:06] <aquarius_> while I basically agree with that sentiment, buying a new keyboard just because I spilled tea on this one and make a key stick seems pretty Marie Antoinette even for me :)
[16:07] <SuperEngineer> then rinse the darned thing!
[16:07]  * SuperEngineer sighs
[16:08] <daftykins> aquarius_: take it out and clean it damn it
[16:08] <SuperEngineer> or even a "more than damop" sponge wish mild detergent!
[16:08] <aquarius_> ya, that's the plan, indeed
[16:08] <daftykins> even if you just run the key and any removable bit under the tap and then dry them thoroughly
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, thank you
[16:09]  * daftykins tips his hat
[16:20] <awilkins> Yeah, water doesn't harm most modern keyboards as long as you make sure they are dry before use
[16:20] <awilkins> It's tea. With sugar in. That's the problem.
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> flip them upside down to let the water drain out asap
[16:20] <aquarius_> ya. the sugar is the issue :)
[16:21] <awilkins> I care for a 1996 Model M. Keyboard longevity is an important issue to me
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> how much sugar do you put in your tea to make that much of a difference??
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> and the ability to use it as a backup weapon in the event of zombies
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - I wonder if sugar could be removed with something like, perhaps WATER!  ;)
[16:22] <daftykins> lol
[16:22] <aquarius_> yeah, yeah, I get it, put it in the shower. I can't do that now, I'm typing on it and I do not want to do without it for two days :)
[16:23] <aquarius_> but clearly that's the approach here.
[16:23] <SuperEngineer> at last!
[16:23] <SuperEngineer> gold star to aquarius_
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> [but warning - the longer it's left, the harder the removal gets]
[16:27]  * SuperEngineer wants an old IBM big click keyboard
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> and a moose hunting licence...
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> oooo , yes please, chocoate moose for me
[16:30] <penguin42> ooh yes
[16:31]  * penguin42 is typing on a Model M here - it does have a slightly sticky right shift key
[16:31]  * zmoylan-pi has choccie donut
[16:31] <map> good tv night tonight yay
[16:32]  * zmoylan-pi has a new dvd copy of 'the young ones' to rip
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, when it's ripped - please send me the file/s - I'll test them for you!
[16:34] <map> the young ones..never even heard of that
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> that would be highly illegal and i'm sure they're already online. ;-)
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> sigh...
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> darn, you saw through my plot
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> hard to believe there was only 2 seasons, short bbc seasons at that
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> the young ones - Rick Mayall & Adrian Edmunson - try that on google
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> map ^
[16:37] <map> will do;D
[16:39] <map> 1 more ep of arrow then work:(
[16:40] <SuperEngineer> oi! this is a family friendly channel. stop using the "w" word!
[16:40] <penguin42> yeh, especially on a weekend
[16:41] <map> heh
[16:41] <map> :)
[16:42] <bigcalm> I'm at home, in the office, working
[16:42] <bigcalm> Yay work from home and not knowing how to stop
[16:43] <penguin42> bigcalm: I'm at home, in the office, not working;  I've been off for a week and start work again tomorrow; same chair, same office, same radiator, same monitor; not working
[16:43]  * zmoylan-pi hands bigcalm a box set of st:ds9
[16:44] <map> shocking scenes
[16:44] <map> speaking to some girl and she hasn't got the internet in the uk..makes do with wifi at work she said
[16:44] <map> O_o
[16:44] <bigcalm> Fair doos to her
[16:44] <map> can't imagine not having internet at home
[16:44] <map> pfft
[16:44] <zmoylan-pi> some people aren't that interested in the internet.  she probably has a life
[16:44] <map> lol
[16:44] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: A what?
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> and a study in ireland said some quite high number including folks under 30 have never used the internet
[16:45] <map> im paying for 2 internets and both get under the speed i pay for
[16:45] <map> :(
[16:46] <zmoylan-pi> i'm paying nothing for broadband and a pittance on pre pay for mobile.  /cheapskate
[16:47] <map> :D
[16:47] <map> im paying £56 for my ee contract..but it's working out ok now im not UK free calls and texts to eu
[16:47] <map> £83 for 100mbit gibtelecom (not 100mbit never gets above 15) emailed and no reply
[16:47] <map> and i think £40? for sky 'fibre'
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> landlord gives me free wifi for free tech support and i pay €5 every 2-3 months for tesco mobile
[16:48] <map> cool
[16:48] <map> you not use much 3g?
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> i use mobile broadband maybe twice a month when i'm out gaming at rpgs and maybe a dozen sms a month
[16:50] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: how old are you?
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> 44
[16:50] <bigcalm> My wife is 42 and doesn't use mobile data much. Maybe it's an age thing
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> been using smartphones since 2004.  getting sick of them tbh
[16:51] <penguin42> bigcalm: I found I'm using it a lot less now that I don't commute
[16:52] <map> how far was your old commute
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> and i've been using psion organisers since '94
[16:53] <bigcalm> I thought I didn't use it a lot. Then my EE contract was renewed with a lower monthly limit and I'm constantly going over it :(
[16:53] <map> whats your limit bigcalm ?
[16:53] <map> my ee has 20gb 4g
[16:54] <bigcalm> 500mb. The sales person convinced me that I used about 300mb a month :(
[16:54] <map> sheesh 500mb isnt much at all
[16:54] <map> sales people lie
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> well if you put in some block on cat videos and pics... :-p
[16:54] <bigcalm> I wish I could increase it
[16:55] <map> cant you add a data addon
[16:55] <map> ee website says you can
[16:55]  * bigcalm goes to look
[16:56] <daftykins> you must do, i was looking up their options the other day :)
[16:57] <penguin42> bigcalm: I'm on the T-mobile PAYG internet (#20/6months); it's not clear if it's actually limited for 'browsing' but they don't say what they mean by that;
[17:00] <bigcalm> I do not see a data option within the add-ons that I can buy
[17:00] <ali1234> that's because you are on EE now
[17:01] <ali1234> there is no way to go back to t-mobile once you renew
[17:01] <bigcalm> I didn't expect to do so
[17:01] <ali1234> EE plans are significantly more expensive
[17:01] <map> they are?
[17:01] <map> i thought ee was ok
[17:02] <bigcalm> But I would like to increase my monthly data plan without having to spend £5 for 1GB for 10 days
[17:02] <ali1234> yes, at t-mobile i pay less than £10 per month which includes the 1GB data add-on
[17:02] <ali1234> my contract has ended but i am still paying monthly
[17:03] <ali1234> if i "renew" i will be forced to choose a plan from EE, which start at £20 per month for 500MB
[17:03] <penguin42> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQffxXdzK58&list=PLu1w7kB88QLoS8R1aq8ucHHr7rSeA2mbt   (at 0:19) I've never seen a rollercoaster witha  warning sign on not to carry dogs
[17:03] <penguin42> ali1234: Switch to PAYG and see how well it works with them
[17:03] <map> some contracts have as little as 250 and yet on ads they talk about streaming video and music..so uhhh how much can you do with 250
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> 20 a month for 500mb? are the packets delivered in a limo or something?
[17:04] <ali1234> penguin42: £10 month for 500MB on PAYG
[17:04] <map> ;D
[17:05] <map> see that storuy about someone having a huge bill uisng wireless on singapore airlines..when you go over your prepaid package right they CHARGE PER KILOBYTE
[17:05] <map> LOL
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> tesco mobile in ireland are 70c a day with 50mb last time i looked.  using opera mini i can make that last all day
[17:06] <ali1234> oh, they have a monthly option now too: £14.99 for 500MB
[17:06] <map> i use opera on my laptop..always liked it..most people dont it seems tho
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> 1gb a month of data if you plan to use your phone every day is about minimum i think that is acceptable
[17:06] <penguin42> ali1234: http://ee.co.uk/help/accounts-billing-and-topping-up/terms-and-conditions/t-mobile-terms-and-conditions/payg/pay-as-you-go-boosters  I use the '6 month internet booster'
[17:07] <penguin42> ali1234: 'Pay as you go customer? If you have a compatible phone, you can text 6MONTHWEB to 441 for free from your T-Mobile phone to buy our 6-month Booster giving you 6 months of unlimited internet browsing on your phone. '
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> I could sympathise; or I could make you jealous and mention my 15GB/month/£16 3 dongle ;)
[17:08] <penguin42> ali1234: They don't define 'browsing' though
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> and then how much do they charge after 6 months unlimited browsing
[17:08]  * SuperEngineer chooses... sympahtise
[17:08] <ali1234> penguin42: that's a t-mobile plan...
[17:09] <penguin42> ali1234: Yes
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> it's a scam.  they offer umpteen 'plans' and no way to know exactly what you'll get for that
[17:10] <bigcalm> I might move to a deal from Tesco when I renew in 2016
[17:11] <map> annoying how long these contracts are now
[17:11] <map> 2 years..pft
[17:11] <bigcalm> I wanted the SGS 5
[17:11] <bigcalm> Ho humm
[17:13] <ali1234> i might go PAYG and then not top it up unless i know i will use it
[17:13] <ali1234> which is about once every 6 months
[17:13] <zmoylan-pi> paging doc brown, paging doc brown... :-) http://i.imgur.com/VFREHJD.jpg
[17:14] <penguin42> ali1234: Right, that's what I do
[17:16] <map> off to worksie
[17:16] <map> :D
[17:16] <map> workies sounds better
[17:16] <map> buh bye
[17:18] <ali1234> i could probably get by on the 100MB data/10 minutes/10 texts pack actually
[17:18] <ali1234> that would be like £5 per month
[17:18]  * zmoylan-pi welcomes ali1234 to the cheapskate club :-)
[17:19] <penguin42> ali1234: Check out the '3' deal for that
[17:19] <penguin42> ali1234: They have a 1/2/3 deal that I think is 1p/MB, 2p minute, 3p/text - or something like that
[17:19] <ali1234> 1p/MB?
[17:19] <penguin42> yeh
[17:20] <penguin42> ali1234: http://www.three.co.uk/Store/SIM/Pay_As_You_Go
[17:20] <ali1234> found it
[17:20] <ali1234> is it 4GEEEEEEE?
[17:20] <penguin42> ali1234: Note it maybe limit on how long a topup lasts etc
[17:20] <penguin42> ali1234: Yes
[17:21] <penguin42> ali1234: But becareful, you can probably burn through 100MB of 4GEEEE in no timeeee
[17:21] <ali1234> i don't actually have a $G phone
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> when 4g first came out couldn't you burn through your monthly cap in about 20 minutes?
[19:03] <TheBlackRussian> hey dafty i fixed the problem!
[19:04] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: oh did you now?
[19:04] <TheBlackRussian> i installed the 32 bit of ubuntu 14. 1 hour - No screen artifact what so ever
[19:05] <TheBlackRussian> you see, us russians are genius
[19:08] <TheBlackRussian> Intel® Q35 x86/MMX/SSE2 <- Thats what the graphic now say
[19:14] <ali1234> 32 bit uses less memory, also probably handles memcpy differently which might avoid the swizzling error
[19:14] <ali1234> as such, it might just take longer to happen, or it might be fixed
[19:15] <TheBlackRussian> i dont care, as long as i dont have to log off every 10 minutes than i am a happy man :D also with all my themes installed it will be hard to tell screen artifacts. Well the background may be messy
[19:16] <TheBlackRussian> what does mmx and sse2 stand for anyways
[19:17] <ali1234> mmx is a CPU extension for parallel floating point operations
[19:17] <ali1234> SSE2 is pretty much the same thing
[19:17] <ali1234> they are designed mainly to accelerate video decoding
[19:18] <TheBlackRussian> im getting error messages when booting up
[19:18] <ali1234> they are both over 10 years old and everything has them
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: this may be easier than twitter ;)
[19:21] <ali1234> oh, wifi channel 13 problems?
[19:22] <ali1234> hardware that believes it is in a different country is common
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I had to recompile my OpenWRT because the Atheros driver was backwards
[19:23] <TheBlackRussian> How do i change the boot menu back to the windows verison
[19:24] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: you know i said to install 32-bit right?
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> it only allowed *restricting* channel/power sets, not adding (so a router that claimed to be "US" in its firmware becomes unable to use Ch12/13)
[19:24] <TheBlackRussian> you said ubuntu 12 32bit
[19:24] <TheBlackRussian> i installed ubuntu 14 32 bit
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: but there's a compile flag (well "make menuconfig" but a flag anyway) that fixes the behaviour
[19:24] <TheBlackRussian> because i couldnt stand using ubuntu 12
[19:24] <daftykins> alright, well pretend it was your solution if it makes you feel better ;)
[19:25] <TheBlackRussian> you cant accept i fixed it all by myself after you refused to help me
[19:25] <TheBlackRussian> he he
[19:25] <daftykins> after i told you something 5x and you ignored it :)
[19:25] <daftykins> well, glad you accidentally found a possible solution then!
[19:27] <popey> MartijnVdS: maybe ☻
[19:27] <popey> MartijnVdS: well, on the command line I can force GB
[19:27] <popey> MartijnVdS: and reading back it confirms it did it
[19:27] <TheBlackRussian> :D you cant take it cant you, you lost against a russian AGAIN
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> popey: oh that's good, does it have atheros or broadcom? (it's part of the firmware filename)
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> arXXX = atheros
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> broadcom has.. brcm in there somewhere usually
[19:28] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: you have a bad attitude. grow up.
[19:29] <popey> Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: and "iw reg set gb" + "iw info" show that the channel is now available?
[19:29] <TheBlackRussian> i understand dafty. you calling me bad attitude. How many times did the russians crash you germans eh. over 9000. we tea bagged you lot
[19:29] <popey> root@hawking:~# iw reg get
[19:29] <popey> country GB:
[19:30] <daftykins> who is German 0o
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: try "iw info", it'll show if the channel is *actually* activated:
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> uh iw list
[19:30] <TheBlackRussian> your german right dafty?
[19:30] <daftykins> what on earth gave you that idea 0o
[19:30] <popey> MartijnVdS: what am I looking for?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: "Frequencies:"
[19:30] <popey>                         * 2472 MHz [13] (17.0 dBm) (passive scanning)
[19:30] <popey> how do i restart the wireless/network ?
[19:31] <popey> without rebooting
[19:31] <TheBlackRussian> Lets forget about this dafty, ^^
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: "wifi" or /etc/init.d/networking reload
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: passive scanning only means you can't start an AP on that frequency
[19:31] <popey> oh
[19:31] <popey> thats what I want
[19:32] <popey> I ran iwlist on the AP itself
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: if you run dmesg, look for a line about:
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> [   10.070000] ath: EEPROM indicates default country code should be used
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> and "Country alpha2"
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> mine says it's using "US" even though it's a Dutch device :(
[19:34] <popey> cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: GB
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's later
[19:34] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9047379/
[19:35] <TheBlackRussian> guys, how can i still a anti virus and utorrent on ubuntu
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> So the EEPROM says "This is a US wifi chip, don't use frequencies that aren't allowed there", then the (less restrictive, because ch12/13 are allowed, and some 5GHz stuff) GB regdom is applied on top of that.. which gives you not a lot more
[19:36] <TheBlackRussian> install*
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> but with the driver patch, it's changed to "Whatever is set with 'iw reg set' is gospel" and all channels will work
[19:36] <czajkowski> bigcalm: nope laptop still fecked unless hooked up to power supply
[19:36] <czajkowski> however just about to order a new laptop :D
[19:36] <popey> right, but the problem is after booting it doesn't bring the wifi up
[19:37] <popey> even after setting to GB
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> yeah, because (ch1-11 + [client only 12+13]) doesn't allow an AP on ch13
[19:37] <popey> bummer
[19:37] <popey> ah well ☹
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> well there's a fix :)
[19:37] <ali1234> popey: the card also broadcasts what region it thinks it is in
[19:37] <popey> is it a painful fix
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that's a setting in Openwrt ;)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> 802.11d I think?
[19:38] <popey> i barely ever touch this openwrt router
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: nah, either recompile all of openwrt (or the bits you need) or... http://luci.subsignal.org/~jow/reghack/
[19:38] <ali1234> the list of allowed channels is actually the intersection of what is in the eeprom, what the operating system says, and what the other device you are connecting to says
[19:39] <popey> so I am using r27832 of openwrt
[19:39] <popey> will that hack work?
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yeah, and the eeprom is often wrong, so they made a compile flag to disable its authority
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: is that 14.07 (barrier breaker)?
[19:39] <popey> no idea
[19:39] <popey> how do I find out?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> when did you download/install it
[19:40] <popey> i haven't updated it for years
[19:40] <popey> wouldn't know how ☻
[19:40] <ali1234> yes, but if you have a eeprom that says US and you disable it, then now you can make an AP that runs on channel 13 and tells everyone it is US... so then other devices won't connect to it, even though it appears to be working
[19:40] <popey> Linux hawking 2.6.39.2 #1 Sat Jul 30 08:54:25 MST 2011 mips GNU/Linux
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: cat /etc/openwrt_version
[19:40] <popey> no such file
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: OpenWRT won't allow that, because if you say "Broadcast country: US", it'll set the regulatory domain first, and that doesn't allow APs on ch13
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: then you're not on 14.07 :)
[19:41] <popey> hah
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: which is their shiniest release
[19:41] <popey> is it possible to OTA update?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: yes, get the correct firmware for your router model, scp or wget it to /tmp (because (ram)disk space)
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: then "sysupgrade -v /tmp/thatfile"
[19:41] <popey> kk
[19:42] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: it is possible to set country GB and still have the hardware broadcasting packets with the US flag, because of crappy firmware
[19:42] <popey> how do you find out which download to use?
[19:42] <ali1234> popey: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/04/%23ubuntu-uk.txt
[19:43] <popey> aha http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3700
[19:43] <ali1234> you installed bleeding edge openwrt in 2011 and then never updated it...
[19:43] <popey> that sounds about right ☻
[19:43] <zmoylan-pi> living on the edge...
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it is, but you'll have to manually h4x0r the regulatory db to do it. Which isn't trivial.
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I've tried :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> For some reason, lots of APs where I live broadcast that they're German or French
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> (probably because they're Fritz!Boxes and Fritz doesn't care, and the French ones are cheaply imported cable modems)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> I'm going to test https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=195153#p195153 now
[19:47]  * popey is confused
[19:47] <ali1234> this is why i use cables
[19:47] <popey> heh
[19:47] <daftykins> :D
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: what are you confused about?
[19:47] <penguin42> ali1234: Yes, always good to be able to follow your packets
[19:47] <popey> which file to download
[19:48] <popey> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3700 gets me to http://downloads.openwrt.org/barrier_breaker/14.07/
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> that's good
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> then ar71xx I think?
[19:48] <popey> i guess
[19:48] <popey> then a load of stuff in generic
[19:48] <popey> aha
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> I'd say.. something like http://downloads.openwrt.org/barrier_breaker/14.07/ar71xx/generic/openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin ?
[19:48] <popey> http://downloads.openwrt.org/barrier_breaker/14.07/ar71xx/generic/openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
[19:48] <popey> heh
[19:50] <czajkowski> evening folks
[19:51] <daftykins> heya \o
[19:51] <popey> ok, so downloaded that...
[19:51] <czajkowski> ello daftykins good weekend ?
[19:51] <bigcalm> Morning czajkowski
[19:51] <popey> sysupgrade -v openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
[19:51] <czajkowski> bigcalm: you on hosl ?
[19:51] <czajkowski> *hols
[19:51] <popey> yes?
[19:51] <czajkowski> x1 ordered :D
[19:51] <daftykins> czajkowski: yes ty :) all quiet, just like i like it! yourself?
[19:51] <penguin42> czajkowski: oh enjoy
[19:51] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I wish, just always feels like the day has just started when I find myself on IRC
[19:52] <bigcalm> czajkowski: was the battery not registering with a live cd then?
[19:52] <czajkowski> bigcalm: nope
[19:53] <bigcalm> :(
[19:53] <czajkowski> penguin42: had one before loved it
[19:53] <czajkowski> fast charge and light weight
[19:53] <czajkowski> now if I could just find both pairs of sunglasses it'd a good evening
[19:53] <czajkowski> lost two pairs :(
[19:53] <daftykins> D:
[19:53] <penguin42> czajkowski: You've checked your nose?
[19:53] <daftykins> that's bad luck for shades
[19:54] <penguin42> and where are you that needs sunglasses - we won't need any until May
[19:54] <czajkowski> penguin42: indeed, having not had a need for them due to well lack of sunshine I find myself in need of them for my next trip
[19:54] <popey> MartijnVdS: sysupgrade -v openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
[19:54] <popey> yes?
[19:54]  * daftykins pushes the cat off, then sits up
[19:55] <czajkowski> penguin42: Germany, San Fran, Paris in the next 4 weeks :)
[19:55] <czajkowski> oh and Ireland this weekend coming, however no real need for sunglasses there
[19:55]  * popey is off to Turkey next week
[19:55] <czajkowski> popey: ohh nice work/hols?
[19:55] <popey> work
[19:55] <czajkowski> long sprint ? chance to see some of the sights?
[19:56] <popey> just a day
[19:56] <popey> event
[19:56] <czajkowski> ah which one?
[19:56] <popey> Dell partner event
[19:56] <czajkowski> cool
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: looks good!
[19:56] <czajkowski> so need to buy a house soon :( have it already done up and DIYd in my head and via pinterest!
[19:56] <popey> Invalid image type.
[19:56] <popey> erk
[19:56] <popey> Image check 'platform_check_image' failed.
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[19:57] <ali1234> flash from command line
[19:57] <popey> that is
[19:57] <popey> i only have a command line ☻
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you put it in /tmp, and is the file size (and/or checksum) correct?
[19:57] <ali1234> check the checksums
[19:57] <popey> yes, in tmp
[19:58] <popey> root@hawking:/tmp# md5sum openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
[19:58] <popey> 1c82bb4d2f5a1afd2c5d4e20a95f5003  openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
[19:58] <popey> root@hawking:/tmp# grep openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin md5sums
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Maybe you have the "v2"?
[19:58] <popey> 1c82bb4d2f5a1afd2c5d4e20a95f5003 *openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin
[19:58] <popey> looks good
[19:58] <popey> i do
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://downloads.openwrt.org/barrier_breaker/14.07/ar71xx/generic/openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700v2-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin ?
[19:58] <popey> ah!
[19:58] <popey> ta
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> ^ that's a different file
[19:58] <popey> didnt realise it was different file.. doh
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> (remove the first one from /tmp first though)
[19:58] <popey> ya
[19:59] <popey> ok, running
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> (yay sanity checks in software ;))
[19:59] <popey> "Saving config files..."
[19:59] <popey> hope it doesn't trash them...?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: it makes a tar.gz, puts it at the end of firmware space and reboots (after reboot, it untars them again in /etc)
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> it's really nifty
[20:03] <popey> hmmm
[20:03] <popey> its not come back
[20:04] <popey> how long should this take? ☻
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: it can take a while?
[20:04] <popey> ok
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: what are the lights doing
[20:04] <popey> dunno, it's the other end of the house ☻
[20:05] <popey> I'll go check
[20:07] <popey> one green light, one orange
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: does it ping yet?
[20:09] <popey> no
[20:09] <popey> yes!
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:09] <popey>  BARRIER BREAKER (14.07, r42625)
[20:10] <popey> \o/
[20:10] <popey> thank you!
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> np
[20:10] <popey> so now do http://luci.subsignal.org/~jow/reghack/README.txt ?
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[20:10] <popey> kk
[20:11] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9047777/
[20:11] <popey> that look okay?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> yeah, now reboot again
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> (so it reloads the driver )
[20:11] <popey> kk
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> then do "iw list", and it should show those channels as available
[20:12] <popey>                         * 2472 MHz [13] (17.0 dBm) (no IR)
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> IR?
[20:13] <popey> no idea
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> ah.. it didn't fix it 100%
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> "NO-IR flag then means you cannot use modes of operation that require you to initiate radiation first"
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> i.e. an access point
[20:14] <popey> bah
[20:14] <popey> bummer
[20:14] <ali1234> i tooooooooold you
[20:14] <ali1234> get the tool for rewriting the eeprom
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: recompiling with CONFIG_ATH_USER_REGD is way easier
[20:15] <ali1234> oh, you didn't do that yet?
[20:15] <popey> no
[20:15] <ali1234> carry on
[20:15] <popey> i think i may move it to 11 for now. getting grief for shutting down the wifi ☻
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> :P
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: I have a current buildroot. I could build you a fixed firmware if you want
[20:15] <popey> that would be nice!
[20:16] <popey> will probably not do this till tomorrow when they aren't here
[20:16] <popey> I'm on wired so I dont care ☻
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: you only use it as a plain AP?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> no weird/special stuff?
[20:17] <popey> it bridges
[20:17] <popey> i can paste my network config if you wanna see
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: OK
[20:18] <popey> ok, its up now, on ch11 ☻
[20:18] <popey> thanks. off to chill
[20:18] <popey> o/
[20:19] <czajkowski> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/couchbase-mobile-developer-workshop-tickets-14260398235
[20:19] <czajkowski> open to all and a is a free workshop if anyone is interested
[20:27] <popey> \o/ it works
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: I mailed you the firmware I built
[20:31] <popey> thanks!
[20:39] <czajkowski> popey: heard much about the one plus one phone ?
[20:40] <daftykins> czajkowski: i bought one of those but sold it on. i think i still have an invite
[20:40] <czajkowski> nice to use?
[20:40] <czajkowski> tempted to get a nexus 5
[20:40] <czajkowski> no sign of the 6 coming out
[20:41] <daftykins> bit on the large side i found, depends how you get on with the 'phablets'
[20:41] <popey> czajkowski: yes, played with them.
[20:41] <czajkowski> currently got a samsung 4 zoom
[20:41] <czajkowski> nice phone - low on storage and battery doing my noggin in
[20:41] <czajkowski> sotry of my life - my battery woes!
[20:41]  * zmoylan-pi hugs dumbphone with infinite battery :-)
[20:42] <daftykins> :/ tried powering off fully and charging overnight whilst turned off? or buying a new battery and doing the same?
[20:42]  * popey flashes his nexus 7 to android l
[20:44] <daftykins> alright really must sleep :D nn all \o
[20:47] <arsenip> heyoo
[20:47] <arsenip> sleep daftykins ?!
[20:47] <arsenip> its not even 9 yet.
[20:51] <arsenip> anyone much experience with proxmox?
[20:53]  * brobostigon will probably wait for cm12 for his nexus 7, for android 5 goddness.
[20:53] <popey> why?
[20:53] <brobostigon> or, i might dual boot both versions.
[20:53] <brobostigon> that would work.
[20:54] <brobostigon> i just dont like having to go through the process of resetup and reinstall.
[20:54] <popey> Android L has a really nice setup thing
[20:54] <popey> (assuming you have two devices)
[20:54] <popey> you can put it back to back with another device and it migrates everything over
[20:55] <brobostigon> as i said, there are ways of dual booting two android versions that are seperate on the same device, i might do that.
[20:55] <popey> i wasnt talking about that, I was talking about not having to go through re-setup and re-install
[20:55] <brobostigon> have tried it before on my nexis 7, works well.
[20:56] <brobostigon> now that sounds very useful.
[20:56] <brobostigon> would definatly help.
[20:56] <brobostigon> does it use nfc?
[20:58] <popey> yes, nfc and bluetooth
[20:59] <brobostigon> sounds interesting.
[21:01] <popey> \o/ flashing now
[21:03] <brobostigon> fingers crossed.
[21:08] <popey> yup, done.
[21:15] <brobostigon> :)
[23:29] <Azelphur> anyone recommend a cheap (~£100) sound setup for a TV? (sound bar maybe?)
[23:46] <ali1234> directhex: this debian init GR... can the people running it see the current totals? or is it done with magic encryption so the result can only be revealed at the end?
[23:47] <directhex> ali1234, the project secretary can run the numbers, iirc
[23:49] <directhex> the votes may optionally be encrypted by the sender, but the secretary has the decryption key for the ballot box
[23:50] <ali1234> i suspect the computational cost of a 4 way vote with 1000 participants would be too high for it to be completely secret until the end
[23:51] <ali1234> also it would probably require everyone to vote as well
[23:51] <directhex> the software is at https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/devotee.git
[23:52] <directhex> devotee is one of these bits of software which has aged like a fine cheese, since it began decades ago
[23:52] <directhex> so nobody really wants to make radical changes if they can avoid it
[23:53] <ali1234> you mean it's gone moldy?
[23:53] <directhex> at this point it's sentient & has formed its own civilization
[23:54] <ali1234> boo to flat git repos on webserver with no browser