[00:01] <bazhang> helenakitty = super bad news
[00:01] <k1l_> yep, they seem to goup up in any channel
[00:02] <k1l_> +group
[00:02] <bazhang> tag team trolls
[01:48] <eblip> hey can an op please help me
[01:49] <eblip> yesterday i was helping someone with ssh and an op said i dont know what i am talking about
[01:49] <eblip> what kind of way is that to speak to someone who is trying to help another ubuntu user
[01:49] <eblip> anyway i didnt know the person was an op and i said ..well clearly you dont know what your talking about
[01:50] <eblip> as i work with ssh issues daily
[01:50] <eblip> then i was banned
[01:50] <eblip> after that ..i noticed the op still hadnt sorted out the ssh users issue after about 30 minutes and it was an easy solution
[01:51] <eblip> so i contacted the op and said ...you still havent sorted out that solution for which i dont know what im talking about
[01:51] <eblip> and got banned
[01:51] <eblip> teh op then said i think you require another ban
[01:51] <eblip> or something along those lines
[01:51] <eblip> can someone please firstly have words with the op
[01:51] <eblip> and say that if someone is trying to help another user...then telling them they dont know what they are talking aout is an insult
[01:52] <eblip> and then ask them why they siad that
[01:52] <eblip> and then unban me
[01:53] <eblip> still cant get my head round how getting a verbose output from an ssh connection when someones connection is failing means you dont know what your talking about
[01:54] <Flannel> Hi eblip.
[01:55] <eblip> hi Flannel
[01:56] <eblip> normally i see users banned for being off topic ...or for swearing ....things like that ..not for helping another user
[01:56] <Flannel> eblip: I'm going to sidestep the whole issue of what happened yesterday.  Have you read the IRC guidelines and Code of Conduct?
[01:56] <eblip> erm ....well no ..
[01:56] <Flannel> eblip: No worries.
[01:56] <Flannel> !guidelines
[01:56] <eblip> but i have been using irc for about a year now and never been banned
[01:57] <Flannel> I understand.
[01:57] <eblip> ah ok ill read them.
[01:57] <Flannel> eblip: Go ahead and take a few minutes to read through that, and the code of conduct.  I'm not saying you're a trouble maker or that you need to change your behavior in general, it's just a good chance for me to get you to read them :)
[01:58] <eblip> yes fine i understand
[01:58] <eblip> ha ha....dont cross post your messages.! ...phew i do that all the time
[01:59] <eblip> didnt know
[02:01] <eblip> ah ok
[02:02] <eblip> i get the right behaviour now...
[02:02] <Flannel> eblip: Having folks read the guidelines is just something we make everyone do, but I'm glad you're picking up on things you can improve upon.
[02:03] <eblip> yes i have done a few things that are illegal
[02:03] <eblip> didnt know
[02:03] <Flannel> not "illegal" but OK.  And from the look of it, your current ban has nothing to do with most of those things.
[02:03] <Flannel> Anyway, have you read that?
[02:04] <eblip> it was just that i was told i didnt know what i was talking about when i said try ssh -vvv xyz@abc
[02:04] <eblip> annd a person i later found was an op said i don tknow what im talking about
[02:05] <eblip> so i just dittoed it back
[02:05] <Flannel> eblip: yeah, it appears your current ban is mostly related to a personal issue, not a policy one.  Anyway, have you read the whole IRC guidelines?
[02:05] <eblip> yes
[02:05] <Flannel> and you're up for following them?
[02:06] <eblip> yes
[02:06] <Flannel> alright.  I've removed your ban in #ubuntu, please join there now (and say something) so I can verify I did it correctly.
[02:06] <eblip> ok thanks bear with me
[02:07] <Flannel> eblip: yep.  Looks good.
[02:07] <eblip> yes im in ...well thanks ...have a nice day
[02:09] <Flannel> eblip: If there's nothing else we can do for you today in here, please part #ubuntu-ops to help us keep it clear for others.  Thanks.
[02:11] <Flannel> eblip: bots aren't allowed, so please remove that second user, thanks.
[02:12] <eblip> hey flannel
[02:12] <eblip> its not a bot...its an account i normally use form the laptop
[02:12] <eblip> so my friends know if im at home or iif i am out and about
[02:13] <Flannel> alright, either way, if there's nothing else we can help you with today, please part this channel.
[02:13] <eblip> thanks
[03:57] <HelenaKitty> It doesn't make sense as to why I have been silenced. For several hours I had been AFK and before I went AFK I was able to talk fine.
[03:57] <HelenaKitty> Now please could somebody give me an insight on why you would want to silence me for nothing?
[03:58] <HelenaKitty> I was warned not to swear and I abided by my warning so what is the actual issue?
[04:02] <k1l_> HelenaKitty: i muted you and your trollgang to prevent the ubuntu supportchannel from more disturbance.
[04:03] <HelenaKitty> I was AFK when you did it. I also accepted a warning I got for swearing. Me misbehaving isn't a valid excuse because that had been resolve like before I even went AFK.
[04:04] <k1l_> that is not true. i muted you and your other mates right when you were not afk.
[04:05] <HelenaKitty> My mates?
[04:05] <HelenaKitty> Logs?
[04:06] <k1l_> i warned you even before not to stirr up drama and to stick to the guidelines after your mate told in #ubuntu that you told others what is happening in #ubuntu and them joining trying to stirr up more drama.
[04:06] <HelenaKitty> What?
[04:07] <HelenaKitty> You think that because somebody joined the channel and started mentioning me that they're my mates?!
[04:07] <HelenaKitty> Why don't you please just lift my mute and we be done with it?
[04:08] <k1l_> then you were asked again by another user to stop your behavior (another issue right now) and one of the user joined prior said: ":popcorn:". so i muted all of you to keep the supportchannel able to do what the intention is: help user of ubuntu.
[04:09] <k1l_> HelenaKitty: so you deny you never told in any other channel or PM to other user, that joined #ubuntu what happens there and to join there?
[04:09] <HelenaKitty> So... somebody joined and you muted all of us? That's weird management you got there. You're implying that you associate me with the other people who joined.
[04:09] <k1l_> with the intention to troll?
[04:11] <k1l_> HelenaKitty: so can you explain to me what this message was about? "<ronsor> LOL <ronsor> Helenakitty told me what happened hehe"
[04:11] <HelenaKitty> I don't know what that is k1l_
[04:12] <HelenaKitty> I saw them join and say that. I didn't know what he was implying or what he was associating that message with.
[04:12] <k1l_> really?
[04:12] <k1l_> how come you answer that: "<HelenaKitty> ronsor, :)"
[04:13] <HelenaKitty> I was only responding to him, doesn't mean I know what the message meant!
[04:14] <k1l_> i give you some minutes now to read the backlog of http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/16/%23ubuntu.html#t23:56  as a second chance to tell the truth.
[04:14] <HelenaKitty> YEs I was abusive to a person asking for support by telling them "read the fucking manual", I am not gonna deny that.
[04:15] <HelenaKitty> 1min...
[04:16] <HelenaKitty> k1l_, I don't know what that message means!
[04:16] <HelenaKitty> What does "Helenakitty told me what happened hehe" mean? It looks very vague to me!
[04:20] <HelenaKitty> Look... I am story that I was horrible to that person. Can we please just move on from all this?!
[04:20] <HelenaKitty> All I want is support here!
[04:20] <HelenaKitty> *sorry
[04:22] <k1l_> HelenaKitty: ok. i will provide you a second chance. but make sure you read the !guidelines and stick to the rules and be aware that  you dont spoil that second chance. #ubuntu is meant to be a support channel for users who seek help and not a trollpit.
[04:22] <k1l_> !guidelines
[04:22] <HelenaKitty> THank you very much! :)
[04:24] <k1l_> be aware that any missbehaviour will likely lead to a ban.
[04:24] <k1l_> if that issue is resolved please part this channel as mentioned in the topic. thanks
[08:41] <DJones> Removed from channel, "soy gratis" spammer for a .es website
[08:49] <DJones> I've set +q on *!*@static-217-133-14-252.clienti.tiscali.it Appears to be an Italian kindergarten class using #ubuntu as a personal chat room & ignoring requests to stop
[09:27] <DJones> +q removed, nobody joining for the last 30 minutes
[20:12] <DJones> Do we have a HFSplus sighting in floatmastaflex in 'abuntu
[20:34] <rww> (no)
[21:20] <bazhang> dont bother arguing with him/her
[21:21] <bazhang> they tag team multiple channels network wide
[21:21] <bazhang> 'ronser'/ronsor is a cohort with that
[21:21] <bazhang> (Helenakitty)
[21:22] <ikonia> fine, they can go if they keep this crap up then
[21:22] <bazhang> that ice is super thin
[21:23] <k1l> i did mute helenakitty and ronsor and other buddies yesterday. after that "she" came here playing the innocent and i removed the mute but warned her that this is the 2nd chance
[21:23] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I feel like I shouldn't have to !language a #ubuntu op...
[21:23] <HelenaKitty> I'm going elsewhere for my support.
[21:23] <HelenaKitty> Thanks for your time.
[21:23] <bazhang> bye
[21:23] <ikonia> Jordan_U: you don't
[21:26] <bazhang> I saw no lang violations..was this somewhere other than #u ?
[21:26] <ikonia> I think Jordan_U didn't like that I used the word crap
[21:26] <ikonia> I was unaware you found it offensive, sorry
[21:26] <k1l> ikonia: Flannel did remove the ban on that guy.
[21:26] <bazhang> ah ok
[21:26] <k1l> eblip to be specific
[21:27] <bazhang> I usually let that, and damn, slide
[21:28] <ikonia> k1l: oh, it's not showing up in bt
[21:28] <ikonia> I'll remove it and message him to explain/apologies
[21:28] <ikonia> k1l: thanks
[21:29] <Jordan_U> Fair enough. Now that I think about it I think that was one of the first things I added to my opnotes.txt ("crap" isn't considered problematic in #ubuntu).
[21:31] <ikonia> Jordan_U: doesn't matter, if it bothers you - sorry
[21:31] <ikonia> I've messaged eblip too
[21:32] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Apology accepted then :)