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diddledanyawn01:24
m0nkey_dude, sleep it off :-P01:48
* m0nkey_ tickles diddledan 01:49
diddledanello m0nkey_01:49
diddledanso keira knightly actually did a topless photoshoot01:49
diddledanshe insisted that there be zero photoshopping, however, so it's kind of a protest against the industry01:50
diddledanhttp://buzz.hotmomsclub.com/actress-keira-knightley-takes-a-dramatic-stand-against-photoshopping-in-hollywood/ (note, this isn't the photos in their glory, so the page is SFW - the linked page however is less so)01:51
m0nkey_photoshop sucks. it's too expensive, don't run on *nix, and it can make real people look like plastic.01:52
m0nkey_GIMP ftw01:52
diddledanand now it's a verb01:52
m0nkey_viva la OSS!01:52
diddledanI never worked out how to draw a perfect circle in gimp01:53
m0nkey_hold shift?01:53
diddledanno, I mean, I couldn't find the circle tool when I last tried01:54
m0nkey_I've always used the selection tool to make a circle.01:54
m0nkey_I need to go to bed02:04
m0nkey_Gotta be up at 5am02:04
diddledanwhat time you got now? 10?02:04
m0nkey_9pm02:04
diddledanaah02:04
diddledanif you go now, you'll just hit 8 hours02:05
diddledansounds like a plan02:05
m0nkey_Choice between 16gb or 32gb SanDisk Fit drive.. only $8 difference. Hmm.02:09
m0nkey_I'm low on USB drives. I need one for my router for stats and logging, a spare for my FreeNAS box in case the one I have dies.02:11
m0nkey_And finding a USB2 drive the size of your thumbnail is hard.02:11
m0nkey_And Sandisk don't make the USB2 model anymore (FreeNAS craps out on USB3)02:12
diddledanplug a usb3 drive into a usb2 port?02:12
m0nkey_FreeNAS is touchy about USB3.02:12
m0nkey_period02:12
diddledanhmm02:13
m0nkey_You ever see my FN build?02:13
diddledanI think so, yeah02:13
m0nkey_Hmm,  64GB USB stick, $55 .. 500GB WD external USB drive, $6002:23
diddledannuts02:23
m0nkey_I think I'll get the hard disk02:23
diddledandisproportionate, much?02:23
m0nkey_1TB is only $7502:23
diddledanI still like spinning rust02:24
diddledanyou just can't beat it for capacity02:24
m0nkey_Get an OTG cable, boom.. tons of storage for my tablet :)02:24
m0nkey_Hmm, 1TB $75.02:34
m0nkey_Then I can put that drive off-site with all photos, etc.02:35
m0nkey_500GB or 1TB. about $15 difference02:39
m0nkey_k, sold02:43
m0nkey_Right, now I'm off to get sleep02:44
m0nkey_Cya for now02:44
mapsheeesh06:01
mapthese cheapp fags are killer06:01
mapwas smoking 20/week in uk now im doing 20/day06:02
map:(06:02
map2.20 a pack06:02
diddledanyey?06:33
mapnot yey06:51
mapits silly06:51
map:D06:51
knightwisemorning everyone07:55
Guest70650morning08:06
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MooDooraaa08:07
daftykinsmorning all08:48
MooDoomorning08:53
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:55
MooDoomorning brobostigon08:55
brobostigonmorning MooDoo08:55
MooDoohad a great time at the weekend playing with ubuntu server and failover [keepalived and haproxy09:01
MooDoo]09:01
brobostigon:)09:04
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foobarrymap: so cost is the only reason not to smoke more in the UK?09:41
* foobarry wonders how much people in UK would smoke if they were £20 a pack09:42
MooDooi don't think price is a factor well not much of one, if people want to smoke, they will pay09:44
dagadogHi Channel.  Just upgraded to 14.1009:44
dagadogNo problems whatsoever09:44
popeysuper09:45
MooDooyay09:46
knightwisemorning09:47
popeyyo09:47
foobarrymanaged to close enough chrome tabs to see the icons now09:48
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knightwiseyou everyone09:50
knightwiseYO everyone :) its typo monday today09:50
popeynearly two weeks on firefox here09:50
Myrttijoys of visiting sister: I get to be a bunk bed for cats again09:50
ujjaindoes anybody know if IT contracting exists in the US?09:59
ujjainI seem to always be talking about the same subjects btw :P09:59
ujjainI'm still loyal to Firefox.09:59
MooDoohaven't used FF in years.....although isn't there a new version coming out that's a bit special?  for devs?10:02
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Home-Made Bread Day! :-D10:03
MooDoomorning JamesTait10:03
JamesTaitMooDoo, o/10:03
popeyMooDoo: already out10:07
popeybasically firefox with some add-ons and a dark theme10:07
MooDoojust the standard download or you have to get it from another link?10:08
popeythere's a separate page for it.10:08
MooDoook10:08
MooDooooooo10:09
MooDoolooks good10:12
popeyi should probably find some better music to take screenshots of the music app with ☻10:16
popeyhttp://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-17-101609.png10:16
popeyhttp://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-17-101331.png10:16
Myrttipopey: radiohead10:19
popeygood point, well made10:19
* popey finds some10:19
Myrttipopey: or joco10:19
Myrtti(Jonathan Coulton for the uncivilised)10:20
AzelphurAnyone recommend a decent sound bar in the ~£100 range? :)10:23
MyrttiI was visiting a future inlaw few weeks back and he had bought a soundbar around that range and it sounded worse than the tv it was hooked up to on it's own10:24
Myrttitoo bad I can't remember which one it was, might've been Sony10:25
AzelphurMyrtti: that sounds promising xD10:25
AzelphurI was told sound bars are usually quite decent10:25
Azelphurwe could potentially change the requirements to "cheapest soundbar that isn't crap"10:25
Myrttiyeah, so was I so you can imagine my face when a decent make sounded like it was coming from underwater and tomato tines10:25
Azelphuror even "cheapest sound producing device that isn't crap"10:25
Myrttitins10:25
Myrttigo to Richer Sounds, then.10:26
MyrttiI think this elderly relative had bought his out of a whim at Curry's10:26
Myrttiand well. The results were audible.10:26
Azelphurhehe10:27
diploAzelphur, cheapest one my friend could find that had a decent sound was about £18010:27
Azelphurdiplo: that's not too bad10:27
popeyAzelphur: bigcalm bought one on the weekend from tesco10:27
diploCan't remember the model off hand, but could probably find out this week at some point10:27
Azelphurpopey: cool :)10:28
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-HW-F350-inch-Soundbar-Sound/dp/B00BYWFB16 that one i think10:28
popey15:54:23 < bigcalm> popey: splashed out on a Samsung HW-H355 soundbar from Tesco. It sounds so sweet in my tiny office now :)10:28
AzelphuroO, reviews seem to like it10:28
Azelphurslightly different model then10:28
foobarrydid anyone watch castles in the sky BBC prog about radar?10:28
Azelphuraha, the H355 is in the related items10:28
foobarrydecent bbc drama10:28
popeyah http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-HW-H355-Soundbar-Connectivity-Subwoofer/dp/B00J4EPF9Y10:28
Azelphuryup :)10:29
* popey adds to wishlist10:29
popeytempted to get one too10:29
Azelphuryea certainly doesn't look bad10:29
popeyi need one with two inputs10:29
knightwiseWe have a sonos 1 in the house10:30
knightwisealso pretty cool10:30
Myrttiwe just got a decent AVR, it's been brilliant10:30
MyrttiI think we've had it for a few years now10:30
popeyooh, it has built in bluetooth!10:30
Azelphurhehe10:30
popeythats handy!10:30
Azelphurpopey: not overly useful for me since my TV runs XBMC 24/7 anyway10:31
Azelphureasy to push stuff from the phone straight to the TV10:31
popeyI'd rather not have to have the telly on to listen to music10:31
Azelphurah, fair point10:31
Azelphurwhat on earth is "Lip Sync" as an Audio feature o.O10:32
zmoylan-pimakes all movies look like badly dubbed kung fu movies, i'd pay for that :-)10:32
Azelphurhaha10:32
zmoylan-pii really must watch woodie allens movie based on that10:34
Azelphurpopey: will wait to see what bigcalm thinks of it and then probably get that one :)10:38
popeyyeah10:40
bigcalmDue to a torrent of emails from irssi away proxy, I shall poke my head in here for five minutes10:40
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:40
bigcalmQuestions?10:41
popeyhehe10:41
Azelphurbigcalm: haha, hi10:41
Azelphurbigcalm: your shiny new H355, what's it like?10:41
popeyalso, what's the usb port on it for?10:41
MyrttiI just have irssi notifier :-P10:41
Myrttino emails, hooray10:42
zmoylan-pito charge mobile phones10:42
popey+1, dedicated nexus 7 2012 doing irssinotifier10:42
AzelphurI use ZNC push to pushbullet and can have my phone automatically initiate actions upon certain IRC messages ;)10:42
bigcalmAzelphur: it's very nice. Clean sound. Haven't heard any distortion. Range is good from bass to treble10:42
bigcalmpopey: you can plug a FAT32 or FAT16 device into the USB port and play files directly10:43
popeyahhh10:43
bigcalmNot all codecs will work obviously. But I haven't bothered to try it yet10:43
popeyexpect mp3, flac, aac will be fine.10:44
popeyMyrtti: fixed! http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-17-104508.png10:45
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bigcalmAzelphur: popey: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/53429642293884518410:48
Azelphurnice10:48
Myrttiare those Tesco Direct catalogues?10:49
popeynice!10:49
bigcalmThough it does mean having 3 cables visible: power, sub woffer & optical10:49
bigcalmMyrtti: Argos catalogues :)10:49
popey+1 for correct catalogue spelling ☻10:49
* zmoylan-pi likes to flick through a nice catalog10:49
popeygrattan?10:49
popeyshowing my age there.10:50
* popey bets DJones remembers the Grattan catalog10:50
bigcalmAnd a LEGO R2D2 keeping guard over the cul-de-sac10:50
popeyhow many argos catalogues!?10:51
zmoylan-piyou'd think they'd make it so you could use the sound bar as a coat hanger or somewhere to clip papers :-)10:51
bigcalmpopey: prior to Saturday morning, a total of 810:51
bigcalmpopey: Saturday morning I raised my standing table by a further 6 centimetres and did away with 3 catalogues10:52
popeyheh10:52
bigcalmI did it for my wrists rather than wanting fewer catalogues10:52
DJonespopey: Afraid not, senility has already kicked in, I remember the "Gus (Great Universal Stores)" Catalogue, but only because they were based where I lived and a few friends parents worked for them10:53
* zmoylan-pi remembers the 80s pre argos in ireland when every house in ireland had an argos catalog before we made the trip to newry or belfast for christmas shopping10:54
bigcalmHeh10:54
bigcalmzmoylan-pi: cheaper over the border?10:54
zmoylan-pibetter selection and cheaper, though it did depend on exchange rate so it could be iffy10:55
zmoylan-pieach side of the border had something cheaper.  even today as you cross it there are signs for whatever is cheaper to folks from far side.  and around sep-oct it's always fireworks which are banned here10:56
bigcalmThe sale or use?10:57
zmoylan-pieither10:58
bigcalmAh10:58
bigcalmWe have...explosive10:58
* bigcalm gets a FSOL track stuck in his head10:59
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* Myrtti tries not to obsess to Radiohead, listenes to the Spotify playlist "maybe this could be the wedding disco playlist" instead.11:19
* zmoylan-pi wonders will all the music on youtube disappear behind a paywall when they get their act together11:20
Azelphurzmoylan-pi: that'll be about the time vimeo comes the #1 video website11:21
zmoylan-pitrue11:21
zmoylan-pibut it will take time to reupload everything11:21
* Azelphur shrugs11:21
Azelphurto be honest that has already begun, I see a lot of youtubers at least mirroring their content onto vimeo out of copyright strike fears11:22
popeyOur first dance at the wedding, everyone sang along karaoke style - unprompted - was quite fun11:24
popeymight have it on video somewhere.11:24
bigcalmMyrtti: your wedding play list is all Radiohead tracks?11:26
Myrttino, it has none, because I have had a tiniest Radiohead obsession before and I'm still a recovering addict.11:29
Myrttimy teenage obsession with Beatles, Abba and especially Elton John is almost cured, so the playlist does have a few EJ songs.11:30
daftykinsElton John \o/11:30
bigcalmMyrtti: my all time favourite Radiohead track is Meeting In The Aisle: http://open.spotify.com/track/3FsuOdQvh0Xo4xJ1Tcro0T11:32
MyrttiI obsessed over House of Cards so bad11:33
Myrttisooo bad.11:33
daftykinsi never even finished season 111:33
daftykinsgrabbed me to start with, but then i lost interest and haven't been back11:33
Myrttithe song, by Radiohead11:34
Myrttinudging the cat doesn't really help11:38
Myrttithe asshole just shifts and still stays put11:38
bigcalm:D11:38
Myrttithere we go11:38
Myrttiproper shove on the butt11:39
zmoylan-pisome sort of remote control to play the sound of the fridge been opened...11:58
bujjihi12:39
bujjii have an issue with ubuntu os12:40
zmoylan-piwhat's happening?12:40
bujjii have a problem like "failed disk full"12:41
zmoylan-piis your disk full?12:41
bujjii was unable to create folder also12:41
bujjii type the command "df -h"12:42
bujjiFilesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1        66G   64G     0 100% / none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup udev            400M   12K  400M   1% /dev tmpfs            94M  2.0M   92M   3% /run none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock none            468M  300K  468M   1% /run/shm none            100M   28K  100M   1% /run/user overflow        1.0M  276K  748K  27% /tmp /dev/sda5        64G12:42
bujjisorry clumbsy12:43
bujjiFilesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1        66G   64G     0 100% / none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup udev            400M   12K  400M   1% /dev tmpfs            94M  2.0M   92M   3% /run none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock none            468M  300K  468M   1% /run/shm none            100M   28K  100M   1% /run/user overflow        1.0M  276K  748K  27% /tmp /dev/sda5        64G12:43
bujjiFilesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on12:43
zmoylan-piyour sda1 is full12:44
bujjihow can i clear those help on this12:44
bujji66G   64G  and it is showing 100%12:45
bujjizmoylan-pi help me on this isuue please12:47
zmoylan-pii think you'll have to find files on the drive that you don't need anymore or can move to another drive12:48
bujjii remove which i dont want and before it is showing 66g 66g now 66g 64g12:49
DJonesAnybody seen TheOpenSourcerer online lately12:51
daftykinsbujji: i'm concerned at your use of the word 'failed'12:51
bujjieven i download a photo from internet and it is showing failed disk full12:51
bujjiyes12:51
bujjii mentioned the details of "df -h" --daftykins12:52
MooDoo.seen TheOpenSourcerer12:52
MooDoorats doesn't that work here?12:52
daftykinsbujji: yes i'd rather see those pasted via http://paste.ubuntu.com because the above is impossible to read12:52
DJonesDon't think so12:52
daftykinsthat's a command set for a bot that doesn't run here12:52
daftykins@seen12:52
daftykinsnope nowt12:53
MooDoodaftykins: yeah it's what i use in the fedora channels.12:53
* daftykins holds up two fingers crossed12:53
daftykins:D12:53
DJonesNot seen since early september12:53
daftykinswe're definitely down on our Alan quota12:53
bujjihelp me on this guys...i have tried to do this alot12:54
MooDoohe's about, seen him on facebook.12:54
daftykinsbujji: and i will once you do what i asked12:54
zmoylan-pii just think you need to delete/move a lot more bujji12:54
bujjiok daftykins12:54
bujjihow can i zmoylan---i deleted which i dont want12:55
daftykinsbujji: what version are you running?12:55
bujjilinux 3.9.112:56
daftykinsno, what ubuntu version12:56
daftykins"lsb_release -a" or "cat /etc/issue"12:56
popeyDJones: oddly I just emailed him12:56
popey3.9.1!?12:56
bujji13.0412:57
DJonespopey: I've pm'd alan bell with the info anyway12:57
DJonesHopefully it can be passed on that way12:57
popeybujji: maybe "sudo apt-get clean" may free up some space12:57
bujjii type uname -a commannd daftykins12:57
popeybujji: which will remove some cache data12:57
bujjii did this before12:57
bujjii tried to delete cache data also12:58
daftykinsbujji: sorry your ubuntu version is dead now, unsupported12:59
daftykins!eol | bujji12:59
lubotu3bujji: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades12:59
popeybujji: I'd run something like "Disk utility" or "baobab" and see what's eating up the space.12:59
popeybujji: but I wouldn't randomly delete stuff ☻12:59
bujjiokey popy12:59
popeybaobab is the old name for disk utility12:59
popeydunno which it is in 13.0413:00
popeywhich as daftykins says, is a bit old now13:00
daftykinsbujji: please run "df -h" again and paste it into http://paste.ubuntu.com13:00
daftykinsas mentioned earlier13:00
bigcalmsudo apt-get install pastebinit && df -h | pastebinit13:01
daftykinshe won't have much luck installing that with a full disk bigcalm13:01
daftykinselse i would've said the same ;)13:01
bigcalmAh, no. Sorry, should have paid attention to what is going on :)13:01
daftykinsno problemo13:01
zmoylan-pigonna have to move data off that system before it'll do anything much13:02
daftykins*nod*13:02
daftykinsno doubt a good kernel purge will be step #113:02
bigcalmsudo apt-get autoremove13:02
daftykinsi don't think it kills older kernels in 13.04?13:03
daftykinsaah being so close to the high-street is dangerous, i just dropped £20 on food in marks and spencer :D13:03
zmoylan-pihelping the british economy instead of american corporate franchises daftykins13:04
daftykinswe don't have any such mainlander supermarkets anywho - unless Waitrose is owned by one13:05
DJonesdaftykins: What diod that get you, a sandwich and a bottle of coke?13:05
popeyyeah, autoremove _should_ do it13:05
DJonesdid13:05
bigcalmWaitrose is owned by John Lewis13:05
bujjihelp me on this daftkins13:05
popeybujji: I told you what to do.13:06
daftykinsbujji: i can't until you actually do something.13:06
popeyfind out whats eating space13:06
bujjiokey popey13:06
daftykinsDJones: hehe, it is pretty damned expensive in there yeah13:06
popeyWaitrose > *13:07
popeylove that shop13:07
bujjigive some assistence onthis popey13:07
popeyI did.13:07
popey12:59:28 < popey> bujji: I'd run something like "Disk utility" or "baobab" and see what's eating up the space.13:07
daftykinsit's time for a +q13:07
popeybujji: have you run either of those?13:07
bigcalmbujji: free up some space with sudo apt-get autoremove13:07
popeythat too13:08
popeyall good advice.13:08
bujjiyes i did13:08
bujjiwait a minutte13:08
BigRedS_apt-get clean is normally a pretty immediate way to get a few tens of MB to get thing started again13:09
popeyyeah.13:10
bujjiunder root  / 68.5g/70.5g13:10
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bujjihey poeey13:13
bujjipopey*13:13
daftykinsbujji: did you run "sudo apt-get clean" and "sudo apt-get autoremove" yet?13:13
bujjii tried to download a photo from internet to the free space13:13
bujjii did this daftykin13:14
popeydid you run baobab or disk utility yet?13:14
bujjiyes i did popey13:14
popeyand what was the thing that used most space in / ?13:14
bujji68.5g used out of 70.5g13:15
* daftykins groans13:15
popeyright, but baobab has a handy graph13:15
popeylet me show you a screenshot13:15
bujjiokey13:15
popeybujji: http://mauriziosiagri.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/baobab.png13:15
popeylike that13:15
popeyso you can see easily what's eating up space.13:15
popeyso run disk utility, and make it scan /13:16
popeyit will take a little while13:16
bujjiyes somewhat like that13:16
popeyok, you could maybe let it run, then take a screenshot and post it to http://imgur.com so we can see it (if it's not got sensitive info in it) and we can help you further13:17
bujjiits taking time ...you are very helpful13:19
bujjido you have any blog popey13:20
popeyI do13:20
popeysearch my name.13:20
awilkinsProblem : want to use https://appear.in13:21
bujjipopey on google13:21
awilkinsWorks fine on Firefox! Hooray!13:21
awilkinsScreen sharing only works on Chrome (ium?), boo13:22
bujjione more popey13:22
popeywebrtc probably needed?13:22
awilkinspopey, Yeah, the probleem is that Chrome and Chromium just refuse to allow it access to the mic + camera even after I've granted permission13:22
bujjihow to clean trash...where it is located when delete a file in ubuntu13:23
awilkinsYou visit the page and you get the little camera icon with a cross on it... and reconfigure it13:23
awilkinsbujji, If you'e using the default install, the trash bin is the icon bottom of the dash on the left13:23
popeybujji: should be an icon in the bottom left of the screen that looks like a trash icon13:23
awilkinsI have Chrome for Netflix, that doesn't work any better than Chromium13:24
awilkinsHas Firefox grabbed access to my mic? Even though I closed it?13:24
bujjiyes fine13:24
bujjiin command prompt where tit is located13:25
bujjiand cache also--popey13:25
popeytrash?13:26
popeybujji: ~/.local/share/Trash I think13:27
bujjitrash finding through command prompt13:27
bujjiand cache also13:27
diddledantit is located at /var/lib/porn isn't it? :-p13:27
diddledansorry, I'll be quiet13:28
m0nkey_diddledan, never install pr0n at system level.13:28
diddledanno?13:29
m0nkey_/usr/local13:29
diddledanlol13:29
bujjipopey.com is yours13:29
popeycorrect13:29
foobarrystrange that13:29
daftykinswe really ought to work out how people keep finding here instead of their own language channels13:30
foobarryor make new chans13:30
bujjiokey thanks for the assistance..13:31
popeydaftykins: yeah13:31
popeybujji: out of interest, how did you find this irc chat?13:31
popeyI mean, how did you get here?13:31
bujjii tried alot finding my problem ...i did those commands specified in it13:32
bujjibut i think i need a online help13:32
bujjii found through google13:33
bujjiyou too thanks daftykins13:34
foobarrywhy ubuntu-uk ?13:34
foobarryrahter than #ubuntu13:34
bujji?13:34
popeybujji: we're wondering exactly what path got you here13:35
foobarrywhy did you choose this channel rather than the default #ubuntu support room13:35
popeybecause we get a lot of people in this channel asking for help13:35
bujjiwhy?13:35
popeywe dont know how they get here13:35
popeywhat link they click13:35
popeybecause you're in the wrong place ☻13:35
popeybut we're happy to help anyway13:35
popeyit's just not the "official" support channel.13:35
bujjiwrong place means??13:35
bujjii didnt understand13:36
popeyOk, so you're in an irc channel13:36
popeyit's called #ubuntu-uk13:36
bujjiyes13:36
popeythe "UK" meaning United Kingdom13:36
bujjiyes13:36
popey but there's also "#ubuntu" which is the general channel for support13:36
popeyand you're clearly not in the UK13:36
popeyso we wonder "How is it that people from outside the UK find the UK IRC channel?!"13:36
popeyThis puzzles us.13:36
popey13:36
foobarrydid you click on a link on a web page?13:37
bujjii found ubuntu-uk channel that is specified13:37
bujjiso i came here13:37
foobarrydid you click on a link on a web page?13:37
bujjilink only13:38
popeydo you know where you found that link?13:38
popeyYou're using webchat, right?13:38
bujjii dont know..thats why i ask your blog13:38
bujjifor assistance13:39
popeywhat web browser you using?13:39
bujjiwhy?13:39
popeyforget it13:39
foobarrywhois confirms it is webcaht13:39
popeyThis is too painful.13:39
foobarrybujji: i'll try one  more time13:39
foobarry..13:39
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foobarrywhat was the webpage you found this information on?13:40
bujjiyou can try "ubuntu online chat help" on google13:40
popeyit's a shame irc channels don't have a referrer field ☻13:40
popeyahhh13:40
foobarryok, bujji which page did you click on next?13:40
MooDoopopey: i closed my eyes ages ago....13:41
foobarryMooDoo: we'll highliht you when its sfe to return13:41
bujjii think i tried to click all may be 1-5 links13:41
foobarrythis one ? www.fossbox.org.uk/node/22/13:42
popeybujji: great, that's helpful, thank you!13:42
bujjimay be13:42
foobarrythat is hit number 513:42
foobarrycool. just wondering13:42
foobarry:D13:42
bujjithat i didnt understand i am in a wrong place...popey13:42
* foobarry shakes MooDoo from his slumber13:42
popeybujji: you're not, it's fine.13:42
bujji?13:42
popeyDon't worry.13:43
bujjihow did you learn all these things?13:43
popeyMagic.13:43
bujjimagic also have to learn13:44
foobarryexactly13:44
popeyindeed!13:44
bujjiindeed13:44
diddledanindubitibly?13:44
diddledanthat's spelt wrong methinks13:45
diddledanindubitably**13:45
bujjithen what type of irc is this13:45
bujjipopey13:45
diddledanthere, IFTFY13:45
foobarryone where a lot of virtual tea is drunk13:46
bujjipopey?13:46
popeybujji13:46
daftykinsbujji: it's a chat and help channel for UK users13:46
diddledanfoobarry: and cake!13:46
popeyBut we allow interlopers like daftykins in13:46
bigcalmFnar13:46
* diddledan gives daftykins some evils13:46
diddledanand map tends to be all over the place13:47
bujjionly uk..13:47
zmoylan-piif you didn't allow daftykins then think of the chaos elsewhere!! :-p13:47
diddledanI lost track of where map is today13:47
foobarrythere is a global channel called #ubuntu bujji . hang around in there and you can absorb knowledge :D13:47
diddledanabsorb it like a vampire absorbs blood13:48
* daftykins the French mutation was graciously allowed to stay13:48
bujjihow can i learn a linux in brief --popey13:48
popeybujji: use it13:48
bujjiany info i appreciate it13:48
foobarryinstall it13:49
foobarrydo things13:49
diddledan"brief" - it's something that you learn by doing13:49
diddledanit takes time13:49
bujjilike admin things13:49
foobarryhow do you learn "maths"13:49
diddledanI learned most stuffs by having a need13:49
foobarryhow do you learn lego13:49
awilkinsbujji, There is a subset of basic tools you need to learn to be proficient13:49
bujjischool itself..13:49
awilkinsbujji, Starting with `man`13:50
diddledannecessity is the main driver of my learning13:50
popeyyeah, i only learned about Linux by using it all day every day13:50
foobarrythere are online videos you can watch to find out what you might want to learn..13:50
popeyI used to dual-boot windows and linux13:50
popeydon't learn as much that way IMO13:50
awilkinsI learned about Linux by installing Gentoo the hard way13:50
diddledanawilkins: +113:50
popeytechnically I still dual boot, but only so I can play games on Windows ☻13:50
awilkinsLikewise, I'm a Windows-gamer13:50
popeyand test out xamarin and unity3d and other evil proprietary software13:51
awilkinsAnd a Linux-worker13:51
* popey pokes directhex with a stick13:51
bujjii always refer google to do anything13:51
directhexmoo13:51
directhex?13:51
diddledancow!13:51
bujjibut i wont find a proper one..13:51
bujjilinux geek13:51
popeyDave2: is there any way we could get aggregated web log stats from webchat where people come directly to #ubuntu-uk ?13:52
popeyspeciifcally the referals.13:52
popeyhehe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27079413:53
popey" Had some trips to #ubuntu, #ubuntu-laptop and so on because I want to buy a netbook and wanted opinions. People were not very friendly there."13:53
diddledanmaybe that's why they come here instead.....13:54
awilkinsbujji, If you want a way of learning about Linux that's very hard work, get a virtual machine platform sorted out and run through https://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml13:55
awilkinsbujji, Things will seem mysterious but if you tunnel into everything you do, read the man pages, etc, you will learn a lot13:56
daftykinsoh my word friends don't let friends gentoo13:56
daftykins:)13:56
foobarry2291 days ago13:56
bujjigentoo is a liux version ...awilkins13:57
daftykinsit's definitely a lost cause if someone comes into #ubuntu trying to ask for system purchase advice13:57
foobarrysomebody mentioned gentoo in the enterprise during an interview the other week13:57
popeyamazing, 6 years ago13:57
foobarryi was pressing the ejector button under the desk13:57
popeyhaha13:57
foobarrycan you deploy me a vm please. it'll be ready in 4 days13:57
diddledanfoobarry: were you the interviewer or the interviewee?13:57
foobarryintervier13:57
foobarry-er13:58
diddledantry again13:58
foobarrypeople always answer what they have done, rather than what they should do13:58
foobarrywhat distro would you deploy in the enterprise13:58
foobarrywell we did gentoo blah blah13:58
foobarryyes, but what would/should you do13:58
popeyARCH!13:59
diddledanubuntu!13:59
popeyoh, sorry.13:59
popeyUbuntu!13:59
foobarryarch is fake13:59
popeyrun by the lizard people?13:59
diddledanarch is just gentoo with binary packages13:59
foobarryi bet you install it and its a ubuntu with new wallpeper and different /etc/issue13:59
popeyif you can install it13:59
foobarryi've never seen arch/gentoo in the wild13:59
popeyit's got the most deliberately obtuse installer of any distro since slackware 0.113:59
diddledanfoobarry: don't come here13:59
foobarryall youtube vids and forum comments are fakery13:59
popeyyou *have* to read a giant wiki page, and apparently that's a good thing14:00
AzelphurI just pasted this to my arch loving friend >:)14:00
daftykinsi've heard it said that "all the Linux ricers moved from gentoo to Arch"14:00
foobarryarch is just a wiki14:00
foobarrythere is no distro14:00
foobarryits like bronies14:00
popeyAzelphur: hope he has a sense of humour14:00
Azelphurpopey: yea, when I was talking to him he was trying to tell me that the OS not offering assistance is a good thing, I was like whaaaaat14:01
Azelphurpopey: yea he does :)14:01
popey:D14:01
daftykinsdiddledan wishes he never saw gentoo in the wild14:01
foobarrythey only exist as parodies14:01
Azelphurpopey: he once typo'd "hearing AIDS" so whenever it comes up in conversation we use that now.14:01
popeyhah14:01
Azelphurgonna meet him next month, flying out to California for 10 days :)14:02
popey\o/14:02
foobarryrainy season?14:02
Azelphurhe's going to show me the Arch way, supposedly14:02
popeyset aside a day14:02
foobarrycalifornians and their crazy ways and crazy distros14:02
bujji_gentoo is  a  linux version ha--popey14:02
diddledanAzelphur: run. run for the hills!14:02
daftykinsAzelphur: i'd say doesn't that involve lots of breakage, but then you have those skills in ubuntu land :D14:02
foobarryonce i installed about 20 distros to try them14:02
Azelphurdiddledan: I know right, it's a tarp14:02
foobarryincluded vector linux , and all sort of weirdness14:03
foobarrydidn't do arch because it doesn't exist14:03
awilkinsbujji_, Gentoo is a Linux distribution, yes. It's very different to Ubuntu but it's still Linux14:03
diddledanAzelphur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA14:03
Azelphurindeed14:04
awilkinsbujji_, The main difficulty is that "Linux" is being used as a word to describe an very large mouthful of things14:04
foobarrylike "car"14:04
foobarryi drive a ford focus estate14:04
bujji_okey14:04
bujji_benz?14:04
foobarryif you can drive a car, its fine, you can mostly drive them all14:04
foobarrybenz don't have indicators though14:05
awilkinsbujji_, In reality, "Linux" is just the kernel - the bit that sits under the rest of the operating system and makes the hardware manageable without writing device specific code into every app14:05
daftykinsa Linux distribution is Linux + GNU, as RMS would have you know14:05
diddledanthey all have two or three peddles and a big tuney thing14:05
bujji_thats nice foobarry14:05
diddledanturney*14:05
Azelphurdaftykins: does that make Android be a Linux distro? :p14:05
daftykinsdunno, does it use GNU tools? :P14:05
diddledanAzelphur: no, because there's no GNU :-p14:05
awilkinsThere are a whole bunch of apps that sit on top and you can learn to use a number of subsets of them14:05
Azelphurdiddledan: sure there is, it ships with the standard GNU tools doesn't it?14:06
diddledanAzelphur: not that I'm aware14:06
awilkinsI think it does..14:06
awilkinsYou can open a shell via adb can't you?14:06
diddledanit certainly doesn't use glibc14:06
diddledanthey have their own libc .. thing14:06
popeybionic14:07
awilkinsArrgh, Facebook want to make an Office suite14:07
diddledanthanks popey14:07
bujji_if i delete a file,in trash also--is there any way to get that14:07
Azelphurdiddledan: I have loads of standard unix commands available on mine14:07
diddledanAzelphur: is that not busybox?14:07
Azelphurdiddledan: awk, basename, cat, grep, etc14:07
Azelphurdiddledan: dunno *shrug*14:08
popeyyes,its busybox14:08
bujji_popey14:08
popeynot GNU14:08
popeybut I would still say Android is a Linux distro14:08
awilkinsbujji_, Not without forensic tools14:08
bujji_there is a need of other tools ha..thanks14:09
awilkinspopey, Got Lollipop yet?14:09
popeyya14:09
bujji_are you peoples linux certified14:10
awilkinsI'm rather enjoying it on my Nexus 414:10
popeyi have it on my 2012 nexus 714:10
daftykinsbujji_: no, they couldn't work out how to install it on me14:10
awilkinspopey, Yeah, that too14:10
diddledanandroid is an example of freedom of choice inherent in the linux market - you have the same base but on top the standard stuff is replaced with android-only bits - i.e. the surface flinger and all the apps that run on it14:10
bujji_on you :)14:10
diddledanbut at the end of it all it's still linux underneath14:11
daftykinsbujji_: where are you from?14:11
popeyIndia.14:11
awilkinsMS are going to release all their Office apps on Android... for free!14:11
foobarrybit late14:11
bujji_popey..how do you know?14:11
foobarryi use quickoffice14:11
awilkinsAndroid tab + BT keyboard14:11
popeybujji_: magic14:11
daftykinsbujji_: have you tried out #ubuntu-in ?14:11
popeySome Linux based phone distros are 'real' distros ㋛14:11
diddledanit's just a specialised distribution of linux similar to how kali is a specialise distro or openwrt is a specialised distro14:12
diddledanpopey: +114:12
zmoylan-pibut aren't they cut down versions of their mobile office and you have to pay for the less restricted versions?14:12
awilkinszmoylan-pi, Dunno14:12
foobarrykali, as in indiana jones?14:12
bujji_are you an admin of this popey..14:12
awilkinsMagic : Clarke's Third Law : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws14:13
popeybujji_: corerouter1.bytenet.in/103.252.195.25314:13
diddledanfoobarry: I think it's called kali - the hackers' toolkit distro14:13
popeybujji_: that gives it away a bit ☻14:13
foobarrydiddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zniWN4iyXM14:13
diddledanom nom nom nom shavai14:13
foobarrymm chilled monkey brains14:14
popeyI like that I can upgrade apps on ubuntu phone and it doesn't kill them14:14
bujji_yes14:14
knightwisekali maaaahhhhhh !14:14
foobarryhttp://www.iwantoneofthose.com/gift-gadgets/smartphone-projector-2.0-brown/10996588.html14:14
foobarryi think i'd rather buy a chromecast14:14
bujji_ mahabharata14:14
daftykinsknightwise: XD14:14
popeythere is no way that will work14:15
knightwisedaftykins: EVERY christmass holiday they would re-run this one on tv ..14:15
knightwisepart of the holiday spirit :)14:15
knightwisenothing says happy holidays like ripping out somebodies heart.14:15
foobarrypopey: you would need a pitch black room and very bright lcd on your phone14:15
foobarryand it would still be lame14:15
popey+114:15
bujji_advance happy Christmas to all14:16
popey:D14:16
popeyHappy thanksgiving14:16
foobarryknightwise: they show avatar on telly every single day and i still haven't seen it14:16
awilkinsI had the bluray of Avatar for months before I saw it14:16
knightwisefoobarry: I haven't seen avatar either.14:16
knightwiseonce they overhype a movie I have this urge NOT to watch it.14:16
awilkinsMum got it for a Christmas present for me, presuming that because I was a tech guy, I'd have a bluray player14:17
foobarry+114:17
daftykinsawilkins: :D14:17
diddledanwtf?14:17
foobarrynever watched lost, breaking bad, or that nonsense14:17
daftykinsi think being a tech guy is a hint that you wouldn't have a bluray player XD14:17
diddledanthat's crazay14:17
knightwiseawilkins: if a movie's main hook is its image quality and not its story ... then I have a problem with that.14:17
awilkinsWhen I finally got a BDROM drive I had to rip it and run it through some evilware to watch it14:17
daftykinsawilkins: please, lose the -ROM - it was never justified ;)14:17
knightwiseI am currently watching "life on mars" on netflix. good show.14:17
awilkinsIt just sat there eating 30GB of disk space until I got bored of it14:18
awilkinsdaftykins, Yeah, I think it's a BDRW as well14:18
awilkinsknightwise, Life on Mars is great14:18
awilkinsknightwise, Ashes to Ashes, not so much, but it closes it all out nicely14:18
foobarrynever watched these eitehr14:18
foobarryi forgot to grab the first 2 episodes of detectorists with get iplayer14:19
foobarryfor posterity14:19
bujji_thank you all for your assistance ..:) bye14:20
awilkinsbujji_, Enjoy your journey14:20
bujji_thanks awilkins14:20
knightwiseawilkins: we are also watching "the 100" not that bad either14:26
knightwiseand downton abbey.14:26
knightwisesince we don"t have cable anymore the only things we watch are shows on netflix .. if we feel like it.14:26
awilkinsI've just been bingeing on Stargate SG114:26
awilkinsI have basic cable for the internet but I don't have the TV box14:26
knightwiseawilkins: same here .. Very refreshing NOT to have standard crap tv14:27
daftykinsSG-1 for the win :D14:28
diddledanI think my oldest lcd just died14:28
daftykinsdiddledan: ;_;14:28
diddledanit gone blank14:28
awilkinsMine went blank but still registered as a screen14:28
awilkinsWas going to see if replacing the cold cathod tube or something would work14:28
awilkinsBut then I just got a nice new full HD 144Hz one :-)14:29
diddledanhmm, unplugging it a few times seems to have brought it back14:29
diddledanI think I might get a new one anyway14:29
foobarryshine a torch on it14:30
awilkinsI may get a third one14:30
diddledana proper all-digital chain rather than vga14:30
awilkinsIf my current GPU can run three14:30
awilkinsI have a nice new desk14:30
diddledanooh a third one. now there's an idea14:30
diddledanI think two*24inch is sufficient tho14:30
awilkinshttp://obutto-uk.com/workstation-r3volution14:30
awilkinsHave the three-monitor mounting arms14:30
awilkinsNot putting a screen on all the mountpoints would seem churlish :P14:31
diddledannow that is nice14:31
awilkinsNot erected it yet14:31
awilkinsCleaning out my office has proven to be a multi-week project14:32
daftykinshaha14:32
awilkinsNot helped by not being able to have workstation downtime in the week14:32
awilkinsNearly there14:32
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foobarrywhich order do css files get processed in the <head> section?14:36
foobarrylast = overwrites previous?14:37
diddledanfoobarry: yeah, it's in order defined in the html14:37
diddledanfoobarry: same within a single css file - a subsequent rule can override those higher up in the same file14:38
foobarryyeah, thanks for confimring14:38
MartijnVdSpopey: did the firmware work? :)14:44
popeyooh! thanks for the reminder14:44
Azelphurpopey: rofl, friends response, (14:45:17) sailerboy: Azelphur, at least arch doesn't have a website dedicated to mocking their users http://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/14:46
MartijnVdS... yet14:46
popeyAzelphur: does he know that website was made by an Ubuntu user? ☻14:46
Azelphurhahaha, he does now >:)14:46
Azelphur"minor drawback" he says14:47
daftykinsas i said though, Arch users are known as the new gentoo ricers14:47
Azelphur(14:48:28) sailerboy: Azelphur, at least we use linux | (14:48:39) sailerboy: unlike that bloated commercialized canonical shit14:48
Azelphurreal burns are coming in now xD14:48
* knightwise wonders if he should get some popcorn14:49
popeyMartijnVdS: so wget that onto the device and then sysupgrade -v openwrt-ar71xx-generic-wndr3700v2-squashfs-sysupgrade.bin  ?14:49
MartijnVdSwget or scp, and yes14:50
* popey does that14:51
* popey waits impatiently for openwrt to come back14:54
bigcalmI should get around to unbricking my WNDR3800 some day14:57
MooDooi get a virgin media router tomorrow, might see what it runs like15:00
MooDoofree upgrade to 5-mb15:01
MooDoo5015:01
daftykinsheh, if they're anything like my friends one over in Brighton, the 2.4GHz wifi keeps dying independantly15:02
MooDoodaftykins: i have that problem with my ddrwt one now, although i might be channel interferance, drops randomly when i'm doing big file copies15:02
daftykinsbig file copies on wireless? :D15:03
MooDoodaftykins: and iso for example15:03
MartijnVdSI unbricked hm15:03
daftykinshmm that's not very impressive stability15:03
MooDoodaftykins: i know :D15:03
MartijnVdSMy TP-Link 4300 is quite stable15:03
daftykinsi wouldn't tolerate that ;)15:04
MartijnVdSeven with the 100 or so wifi networks in range15:04
MartijnVdS(yay perpendicular 1960s appartment blocks)15:04
daftykinsheh15:04
daftykinswifi ubiquity is definitely a problem these days15:04
daftykinsthankfully my place is granite so helps with that :>15:04
daftykins17th century Guernsey house - 2 foot+ thick granite walls \o/15:05
bigcalmMooDoo: when you get the superhub from vm, switch it into modem only mode and use your own router15:05
MooDooi sometimes end up just using my netgear ethernet over power gaget whic h is better15:05
bigcalmMooDoo: it's what everybody else does15:05
MooDoobigcalm: i'll give that a go15:05
bigcalmIt's a shame we can't buy a cable modem of our choosing15:06
MartijnVdSdaftykins: how's the inside temperature?15:06
MartijnVdSdaftykins: hot in winter, cold in summer?15:07
daftykinsthe ground level isn't so bad :) i've just ok'd to my dad to buy some 5mm perspex to do some simple secondary glazing substitute on my windows15:07
MooDoobigcalm: you probably could, but then you'd have crap connectivity15:08
daftykinsthe top floor under the roof has zero insulation, so it hits 30degC in summer (despite the outside being low 20s tops) and freezes in winter :>15:08
MartijnVdSI can keep my doors open in winter and still be warm. Yay neighbors all around (who turn on their heating *a lot*)15:09
daftykinshahaha15:09
daftykinsmy main annoyance is a little bit of missing door frame above my front door, the wind comes right down the street and blows right inside15:10
daftykinsbeen asking my dad to get his workplace to make up a replacement for probably a year now, he never gets around to it :P15:10
MartijnVdSpopey: did it come back up ?15:14
popeyit did15:22
popeyroot@hawking:~# iw reg get15:22
popeycountry GB: DFS-ETSI15:22
popey                        * 2472 MHz [13] (17.0 dBm)15:22
popey\o/15:22
popeythank you!15:23
daftykinshow come you wanted to use the Japanese only channel?15:23
MartijnVdSdaftykins: no that's 1415:23
MartijnVdS1-13 = EU15:23
daftykinsoh, well why 13 then :P15:23
MartijnVdSleast congested?15:23
popeybecause none of my neighbours have it ㋛15:23
* popey fiddles /etc/config/wireless and reboots15:24
popeylets see if it comes back on 13 and 6415:24
MartijnVdSpopey: you should be able to use any 5GHz frequency as well (also the "NO-INDOOR" ones) -- this firmware has all the required patches15:24
bigcalmI'm the only one with a 5ghz network. I think the range of 5ghz isn't that good15:24
MartijnVdSpopey: you can just run "/etc/init.d/networking reload" for that :)15:24
popeyi set it to 6415:24
popeytoo late ☻15:24
MartijnVdS64 is good enough15:24
popeyi have two 5GHz15:25
daftykinshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_%28802.11b%2Cg_WLAN%29.svg/1280px-2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_%28802.11b%2Cg_WLAN%29.svg.png15:25
popeyat each end of the house15:25
daftykins1,6,11,14 are non-overlapped15:25
popeydoubt many of my devices will go to 1415:25
popey                        * 2484 MHz [14] (disabled)15:25
popey13 is okay. most people near me are on 1 or 615:25
MooDooJamesTait: ubuntu lts server works wll with hyper-v :D15:26
MartijnVdSdaftykins: in Europe, 1, 5, 9, 13 will also work fine -- but lots of devices use 1/6/11 so usually you can't anyway :)15:26
directhexi used to have a wifi app on my phone which showed congestion. hang on...15:26
daftykinseww hyper-v15:26
daftykinswifi analyser \o/15:27
MooDoodaftykins: i like it lol :D15:27
bigcalmThat's the one15:27
popeyyeah, i use Wifi Analyser15:27
popeywandered round with two android tablets yesterday, one on 2.4, one on 515:27
directhexlots of wifi congestion near me.15:28
popeyhttp://imgur.com/SfnteU5 my neighbourhood15:28
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/ovm4uu760znsq8z/Screenshot_2014-11-17-15-27-58.png?dl=015:28
directhexnobody else on 5GHz though15:28
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daftykinseww that's a horrid neighbour indeed, popey :>15:29
directhexhttp://i.imgur.com/pvrYzDP.png15:33
DJonesAs everyone is sharing, http://imgur.com/ywDF8rt15:34
popeyhaha, spankland15:35
DJonesdirecthex: Interesting strongest signal you've got there15:35
diddledanI had to order a new psu15:35
popeyfor some reason the "F*ck off and die" access point that used to show up has gone15:35
directhexDJones: with 3 antennae it had better be the strongest!15:35
diddledanit'll be here in the morrow15:35
popeyDJones: wow, you in the middle of nowhere?15:36
diddledanand just as I finish the order the pc it's destined for powers off15:36
MartijnVdSusing iw wlan0 scan on AP #1:15:36
MartijnVdS2.4GHz: 2015:36
MartijnVdS5GHz: 115:36
popeyor just a cave with you and your phone15:36
daftykinsdid i link this in here yet? http://thehackernews.com/2014/11/rootpipe-critical-mac-os-x-yosemite.html15:36
popeydont fink so15:37
DJonespopey: Pretty much at work, only 1 building within about 100 yards, and thats a dodgy B&B that only just about has a tv antenna, never mind wifi15:37
popeyheh15:38
DJonesAlthough I do get a nice 52.65Mbps download on 4G here15:38
MartijnVdSDJones: so do I, in Amsterdam city centre :)15:39
DJonesThis is on the edge of Liverpool city centre15:41
diddledanthe new psu can't come soon enough. I can't keep the pc alive more than ten minutes before the power drops to a point where the gfx stops working16:10
daftykinsdiddledan: ouch, just died of old age?16:23
diddledanyeah, I woke up to the fan making weird rattling this morning. moving the case seemed to kill the fan and now I guess it's overheating16:24
daftykinsnot gonna conduct surgery and insert another fan? :D16:25
diddledanno, I'm not that brave16:26
zmoylan-pithe most surgery i've ever done on a psu is extract 10lb of cat hair16:26
daftykinslol16:27
zmoylan-piother than that's it's a drop in replacement and keep your eyebrows16:27
daftykinsnothing wrong with PSU surgery ;D16:33
daftykinsjust... don't touch anything or poke metal tools inside :>16:33
zmoylan-piand capacitors *AREN'T* your friends16:35
awilkinsBlew the dust out of the GFs laptop cooler17:00
awilkinsNo longer sounds like a 747 on final taxi to the runway17:00
awilkinsA little worrying now actually... too quiet17:01
daftykins=]17:01
daftykinsplugged the fan back in? ;)17:02
awilkinsdidn't unplug it17:02
awilkinsJust directed canned air into the rear grille and fan intakes17:02
daftykinsoh :S17:02
awilkinsLaptop isn't exploding17:03
awilkinsManaged to back up files from Windows with antivirus for an hour or so, so it had a workout17:03
mapso my pi turned off again....and no idea why dad rebooted it so couldnt tell if it was just networking crashed17:03
daftykinsi wouldn't think it safe to just blow into a laptop with compressed air, as the dust bunnies could just wrap around the fan spindle and snap off next time it runs17:05
daftykinsi only ever do full disassemblies where i re-do the thermal paste too17:05
awilkinsIt's so hard to disassemble many laptops down to the fan though17:05
awilkinsI have an HP G72 and you literally have to strip the whole thing down, motherboard included, remove the heatsink from the thermal material, and then start bending sheet metal to open the fan assembly17:06
daftykins:D17:06
daftykinsyep, i've done ones like that17:06
awilkinsA wee squirt of canned air produces marvellous results without nearly so much fuss17:06
daftykinsbut the dust doesn't come out? :)17:07
awilkinsThe dust came out of the intake hole17:07
awilkinsThe biggest problem is the mat that forms over the radiator output17:07
daftykinsinteresting17:07
awilkinsImpedes airflow and just causes the fan to recirculate hot air17:08
maphm ive used canned air in laptops before didnt think it would do any damage17:08
awilkinsWhich is why it goes so fast, those cylindrical fans run much faster when they create a low pressure zone because they can't move air17:08
awilkinsSame reason a COncept 2 rowing machine is much easier when you close off the intake aperture17:09
awilkinsLess air moved, less energy dissipated from fan, fan moves faster17:09
mapi need to ix my captop:)17:11
daftykinsmap: new keyboard for you for Christmas, i see17:13
mappah:)17:13
maptypo:P17:13
zmoylan-pieither nix or fix, could end up bad for the laptop :-)17:14
AzelphurStumbled upon a pretty cool gadget, tempted to get one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zalman-ZM-VE300-Portable-2-5-SATA-Silver-USB-3-0-HDD-Enclosures-with-Virtual-Dr-/36104505327017:59
AzelphurIf you put ISOs in the "ISO" directory, that drive can mount them and emulate a USB CD/DVD/BR drive17:59
daftykinsoh that's a far more bearable price one18:00
daftykinsi remember them being way worse18:00
Azelphuryea, that's a pretty ok price18:00
Azelphurand I have a spare 320GB drive I can throw in there18:00
daftykinsthing is, USB 3 flash drive + YUMI or some crafty time with GRUB and you can dump ISOs on one to do the same thing18:01
Azelphurdaftykins: not with Windows ISOs though18:01
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daftykinsfor which part?18:02
daftykinsbecause i do18:02
Azelphurdaftykins: I've never been able to successfully boot Windows from USB, it just doesn't work18:02
daftykinsfine here :)18:02
Azelphurclearly you're some form of wizard.18:03
Azelphurwhat did you use to create it?18:03
zmoylan-piground up pixies and unicorns :-p18:03
daftykinsi tend to do my Windows ones natively, by dumping the ISO contents on a FAT formatted ~4GB+ partition followed by running the /boot/bootsect.exe /nt60 X: for win7+18:04
Azelphurdaftykins: does Windows work with YUMI?18:04
daftykinsyep18:04
Azelphurcool18:04
AzelphurI might give that a whirl18:04
daftykinsbut if you mean using a USB 3 port, you have to have USB 3 drivers for the system's controller integrated into a 7 image18:04
daftykins(if Windows 7(18:04
daftykins*)18:04
Azelphurdaftykins: surely if you use USB 3 it'll still work, you just might have to fallback to USB 2?18:04
daftykinswell it's pretty damned odd :D it'll boot then claim you have no hard disks XD18:05
Azelphurah18:05
daftykinsthis might only be with my own laptop where the USB 3 is some obscure 3rd party controller chip though, not sure about native intel USB 3 systems18:05
daftykinsi tend to just use the USB 2 ports for certainty18:06
Azelphuryea18:06
daftykinsi've got this lovely Team Group 32GB USB 3 drive right now which put a full 900MB ISO on in around 13 seconds18:08
Azelphurnice18:08
daftykinsi've been meaning to modify a windows 7 ISO with my laptops drivers so i can see how insane a USB 3 -> SSD install is for speed :D18:08
Azelphurdaftykins: apparently yumi only works with 1 windows image on it at a time18:16
daftykinsit does :(18:18
Azelphurdaftykins: makes it not so useful18:18
daftykinsin fact YUMI breaks a fair bit... you can't run memtest off the menu of ubuntu ISOs18:19
Azelphurdaftykins: yea, I tried another tool like this before18:19
Azelphurand it just didn't work18:19
daftykinsit is kind of tempting to have one o' those gadgets - assuming it works as it claims18:19
daftykinsi seem to have a drive for each main OS that i use18:19
daftykinsthen a single one with multiple Linux ISOs18:20
Azelphurdaftykins: yea, it certainly looks like it does given reviews18:20
daftykinswould be pretty neat to even put this spare 40GB SSD in and throw on a load of the usual suspects :D18:21
Azelphurexactly18:21
Azelphurdaftykins: stick all the *buntus on there, gparted live cd, Windows XP through 8.1, OSX too, both 32bit and 64bit18:22
Azelphurwill get you covered for any machine you encounter18:22
daftykinshmm assuming it'll like converted OS X images18:23
daftykinsi've a flash drive with 10.9 on atm, could update that to have Yosemite on it now18:23
Azelphurdaftykins: converted?18:24
daftykinsyeah because it's usually some non-ISO format in the download edition i think18:24
Azelphurah18:24
daftykinsdepends what images the Zalman works with i guess18:24
Azelphurthink just ISOs18:25
Azelphurbut must be able to get an ISO of pretty much everything18:25
daftykinsyeah, macs just talk .dmg as standard of course18:26
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daftykinsAzelphur: if you ordered it already, let me know how it is? :D18:54
Azelphurdaftykins: haven't ordered it, but certainly pondering19:04
Azelphurmight put it on my christmas list19:04
daftykins:D19:18
daftykinsi could put it on my Christmas list too, for future daftykins to buy for me19:18
popeyheh19:19
popeywhat product we talking about now?19:19
popeyI clearly need more things for my wishlist!19:19
popey(this close to xmas)19:19
daftykinsthat Zalman hard disk virtual CD emulator19:19
daftykinsi think you mentioned it once too, mr. popey19:19
popeyoh zalman, yeah, i have one19:19
daftykinshas it worked with absolutely every system you've tried it with?19:20
popeyno19:22
popeyi have a toshiba laptop it didnt work with19:22
popeybut that laptop is ~6 years old I think19:22
popeythinkpads had no problem with it.19:22
daftykinspopey: ah, good to know. it does seem somewhat risky in my head, ta!19:42
MrBananadoes ubuntu 14.04 come with anti virus19:43
daftykinsno19:44
daftykins!antivirus19:44
lubotu3Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux. except where files are then passed to Windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus19:44
MrBananaso i dont have to worry about virus19:44
daftykinscorrect19:45
MartijnVdSpopey: I'm up to 45 2.4GHz networks, and 0 (other) 5GHz ones19:45
TheBlackRussianGuess whos back :D for HELP20:13
TheBlackRussiani need help installing themes on ubuntu20:14
maphi all20:43
mapwell that sucked..went out for food and it was garbage20:43
map:(20:43
diddledan:-(20:43
diddledanspeaking of food20:43
diddledanI need some20:44
map;]20:44
diddledandaftykins: make me a sammich20:44
mapnein20:45
diddledanno, just 8 will do20:45
daftykinsi just had pasta20:45
m0nkey_sudo make me a sammich20:49
mapdaftykins,  channel cook?20:49
diddledanmorning m0nkey_20:53
daftykinsi'd feel sorry for you all if i were ;)20:53
diddledandaftykins: you can't be as bad as me20:53
diddledandaftykins: my specialty is takeout pizza20:54
daftykins:D20:54
m0nkey_evenin20:54
mapi like to eat out..20:54
maptry to 1-2x a week20:54
mapsaves cooking and washing up:D20:54
daftykinsm0nkey_: o/20:58
maptime for homeland20:59
map:DDDD20:59
daftykinsdon't even know what that is21:00
daftykins+about21:00
diddledanI only saw the first half of the first season21:01
diddledanI kinda lost track of it21:01
mappfft21:02
mapamateur tv watchers21:02
map:D21:02
daftykinsi consider that a compliment21:04
mappff21:08
popeyMartijnVdS: wifey having trouble connecting to wifi on her macbook pro ⍨21:15
popeyMartijnVdS: on closer inspection they're connecting and can ping internal ip addresses21:26
popeyi think there's a route missing or something21:26
daftykinsdelete the profile for the network sir21:40
daftykinsthem macs be screwy21:40
popeyyeah, i deleted and recredted21:40
popeyer recreated21:40
daftykinsrestart too? ;D21:40
popeyso, she's going mac -> wifi -> router running openwrt in bridged mode (192.168.1.4) -> router to internet (192.168.1.1)21:41
popeyfrom her mac I can ping 1.121:41
popeyso I am connected to wifi and getting past the openwrt router21:41
popeybut I can't ping outside the network21:41
* popey sends her fb msg to reboot it21:41
daftykinstwo routes on the same subnet with DHCP killed and no double NAT sounds nicely straightforward21:42
popeyits not double nat21:42
popey192.168.1.4 bridges21:42
daftykinsthat's what i'm confirming ja21:42
popeyso the dhcp is done by 1.121:42
daftykinsi've been around some hilarious setups recently where people are using old routers with new - but still running DHCP :D21:42
popeyah21:42
daftykinsnice race condition on DHCP offers21:43
daftykinsif you were, it would kinda make sense packets going out but not coming back - so to be like that on the same one is very odd21:43
* popey tests a non-apple device in there21:45
mapvery good ep of homeland21:48
map:D21:48
popeybah!21:51
popeyresorted to giving her an ethernet cable21:51
popeyit's certainly a routing issue of some kind. can ping 192.168.1.1 from her laptop but not 8.8.8.821:52
* popey wonders if MartijnVdS maybe missed some kernel module off in his firmware build ☻21:53
mapjust love brooklyn nine nine so funny22:00
diddledanpopey, just listening to the podcast from 6th November. Re: the inclusivity of conferences survey - in addition to a "if not why not" you could have an "if so, did you feel welcome?" and an "if you went, was there any specific reasoning why you decided to attend?" - that way you can see what made those that did attend and also what made those who didn't attend stay away. It might make for a more interesting analysis knowing both why and why not22:12
diddledancome up with a venn diaphragm to figure out the best method to include both camps22:13
maphmm22:14
mapannoying here22:15
mapcasino closes at 422:15
map;[22:15
mapand no strip clubs22:15
mapstrange22:15
diddledan:-o22:15
diddledann0rty22:16
diddledanor were you referring to strip-mining clubs?22:16
mapim ust used to it22:16
maphah22:16
mapnah usually go to reflex..then strip club..then casino22:16
popeydiddledan: good pint22:19
popeyer, point22:19
popeyMyrtti: irssinotifier is way more crashy under L ☹22:19
diddledanpopey: John Smiths please22:19
diddledan:-p22:19
diddledaneither that or whatever real-ale the bar has22:20
mapgonna go into spain22:20
mapsee if theres any strip clubs there22:20
mapblow a few hundred euros ;]22:20
mapboring monday night else22:21
diddledanI wonder when the nexus-7 2012 gsm model is going to get an update rollout to L22:21
mapwell tat sucks22:26
map'La Linea Strip Club' was frutless22:26
map*fruitless22:26
d3ngarHi, on the off-chance that someone here knows more about the intricacies of Eclipse:23:49
d3ngarI seem to have a problem with Eclipse: I'm using eGit and I've changed to a different branch. Unfortunately when I try to run this branch, it just runs the master branch23:49
daftykinswhy not ask in a java dev channel?23:51
d3ngarGood point!23:51
daftykinsheh23:51
directhexeclipse /o\23:57
daftykinstotal eclipse of the heart23:58

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