[04:24] <Kilos> ohi superfly just the man i need
[04:24] <Kilos> i got an iso last night with wget and they normally in /hpme but i cant find it
[04:25] <Kilos> and i tried kfind with no luck
[04:25] <Kilos> i dont know how else to find files in kde
[04:26] <Kilos> i got elementaryos and dont know if it is here somewhere but hidden under a different name
[04:27] <Kilos> i can see all hidden files in home and even looked in root for it 
[04:28] <Kilos> ran wget -c again and it says the whole iso is here
[04:32] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[04:57] <Kilos> found it, luckily there is a #wget
[04:57] <Kilos> you early Tonberry 
[04:58] <Tonberry> morning
[04:58] <Tonberry> and not really
[04:59] <Kilos> oh its 7am already
[05:10] <Kilos> more bushtech 
[05:20] <bushtech> more Kilos werk jou goed al?
[05:20] <Kilos> ja dankie als werk, maar ek het in die nag weer snaakse goed gedoen
[05:21] <bushtech> o donder!
[05:21] <Kilos> elementaryos met wget gekry en dit in 'download' file gevind eers net nou met hulp van n ou op #wget
[05:22] <Kilos> en toe ek dit oopmaak is dit als in txt
[05:22] <bushtech> o ok
[05:22] <bushtech> ag nee
[05:22] <Kilos> gelukkig gee k3b die opsie om dit n iso te maak
[05:23] <Kilos> brand nou en sal sien wat uitkom
[05:23] <Kilos> murphy boer hier
[05:23] <bushtech> hou vir jou duim vas
[05:24] <Kilos> ty
[05:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:24] <bushtech> ja nee, daai man is 'n yster, kan enigiets doen
[05:24] <Kilos> o en nog
[05:25] <Kilos> sjoe ian het vir nuwe dvds gebring
[05:25] <Kilos> die een wat ek insit om te brand het Bunny Wabbit op
[05:25] <Kilos> ai!
[05:25] <bushtech> lol
[05:26] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel sal jy
[05:26] <bushtech> ek het 'n blu ray dvd hier wat ek nog wil rip
[05:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:48] <Squirm> morning
[05:51] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:33] <Squirm> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[11:14] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[11:14] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[11:29] <charl> good afternoon
[11:29] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:29]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:29] <charl> Maaz: large
[11:29] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you charl
[11:29] <charl> Maaz: with rusks
[11:29] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard charl help yourself
[11:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:33] <Kilos> ohi charl 
[11:35] <Kilos> bushtech, elementary is working
[11:36] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:36] <charl> how are you doing
[11:36] <Kilos> much faster than unity but them i think its based on 12.04 still
[11:36] <Kilos> im good ty charl and you?
[11:37] <Kilos> learned more last night and today
[11:37] <Kilos> elementary downlloads in text file
[11:38] <Kilos> well it did here and had to use k3b to make it an iso
[11:40] <charl> i'm good thanks
[11:40] <inetpro> good afternoon
[11:40] <inetpro>  @tWeatherSA ALERT: Multiple reports of a #hailstorm and heavy rain in parts of #Johannesburg
[11:41] <Kilos> id even be happy with some hail inetpro 
[11:41] <Kilos> no fruit to lose after black frost anyway
[11:41] <inetpro> ai!
[11:41] <Kilos> good afternoon to you
[11:42] <inetpro> no mealies in the garden?
[11:43] <charl> good afternoon inetpro 
[11:43] <Kilos> nope tomatoes and strawberries in pots and pampoen in hoenderhock onder sink plaat
[11:43] <Kilos> beens and peas and spinach didnt even grow
[11:45] <Kilos> but hail not a prob with mealies until theyve formed cobs normally because they grow again
[11:47] <inetpro> true
[11:48] <inetpro> unless it's really severe and hit flat with the ground
[11:52] <Kilos> only if their stems are thick and the core can dry out i think otherwise they come again and sometimes from 2 or 3 new shoots out the side
[11:53] <Kilos> actually quiet a hardly plant
[12:02] <Kilos> is this what a mac looks like
[12:02] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-11-17_13_58_47-gU0RCcUr.png
[12:02] <Kilos> i cant have spanne workspaces
[13:05] <Kilos> could maybe get used to the docking thing
[13:21] <Kilos> ek dink dit kom inetpro of vroeg of laat huis toe
[13:21] <Kilos> lug ryk reg vir bietjie water
[13:21] <Kilos> ruik?
[13:22] <inetpro> het nou vir so 'n minuut of twee lekker gereen in die stad
[13:25] <inetpro> en so bietjie hael geooi ook
[13:25] <inetpro> gegooi
[13:28] <Kilos> aha
[13:28] <Kilos> nog net wind en donderweer hier
[13:34] <Kilos> powser might go now now. stones starting to fall outa the sky
[13:40] <Kilos> oh my, these elementary peeps are like me. they show there are 9 workspaces in settings, i just havent found a switcher yet
[13:40] <Kilos> woooohhooooo im not alone in this world
[14:07] <smile> hi :)
[14:07] <Kilos> ohi smile wb
[14:07] <Kilos> where you been
[14:08] <smile> on school ;)
[14:08] <smile> now eating some fruit.. :) so brb ;)
[14:08] <Kilos> at school
[14:08] <Kilos> ok
[14:20] <charl> hey smile 
[14:20] <charl> how are you doing
[14:25] <smile> thank you for correcting me, Kilos 
[14:25] <smile> back
[14:25] <smile> hi charl
[14:25] <smile> fine, how are you? :)
[14:26] <Kilos> np
[14:26] <charl> i'm good thanks
[14:27] <charl> it's what we call dunglish Kilos 
[14:27] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <charl> dutch-english, english spoken literally translated from dutch word by word
[14:27] <Kilos> hey go get elementaryos and tell me what you think
[14:27] <Kilos> what a business
[14:28] <smile> Kilos: it's nice and polished, but not a very broad software selection :p
[14:28] <smile> but you can always add more repo's from ubuntu in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:28] <Kilos> it has everything ubuntu 12.04 can get
[14:28] <Kilos> same repo
[14:28] <smile> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[14:28] <smile> Kilos: 12.04 is old :P
[14:29] <smile> I want more recent stuff, like Gambas 3.5.1+
[14:29] <Kilos> ya but faster than 14.04
[14:29] <smile> that depends on your hardware :) and the edition
[14:29] <Kilos> fast is lekker for me
[14:29]  * smile is running Openbox on Manjaro Linux
[14:29] <Kilos> nope
[14:29] <Kilos> its their gui thats faster
[14:31] <smile> openbox is never slow ;)
[14:44] <Kilos> inetpro, nou sous dit
[14:46] <smile> sunshine! :D
[14:47] <Kilos> haha we can buy a margarine called sunshine D
[14:48] <charl> smile: you program in basic ?!
[14:48] <smile> yeah :D
[14:49] <charl> ok i just won't ask all the obvious questions ... :P
[14:49] <charl> i'm sure you have your reasons :P
[14:49] <smile> easy :)
[14:50] <charl> have you tried python ?
[14:50] <smile> I drag & drop my controls and I can very easily write my software in seconds :)
[14:50] <charl> outside of java, python is by far my favourite programming language
[14:50] <charl> hmmmmm sounds like visual basic
[14:50] <charl> or delphi
[14:50] <smile> java looks awful, delphi is for die hard people and python is slow :/
[14:51] <charl> python is slow, that's true
[14:51] <charl> delphi is long over, that's also true
[14:51] <charl> but why does java look awful ?
[14:52] <charl> many years ago (about 10) i briefly used kylix
[14:52] <charl> that was also an absolutely terrible piece of software from borland
[14:52] <smile> charl: it does not look native :(
[14:52] <charl> their old c/c++ was awesome back in the 90s though
[14:52] <smile> I rather program C, not Java :/
[14:53] <charl> you can style it to look native very easily, it's fully themeable
[14:53] <smile> I customized my image viewer, Viewnior :D
[14:53] <charl> i also used to hate the default look and feel
[14:53] <smile> charl: still not native after styling :p
[14:53] <charl> hmmm, that's somewhat true, it isn't perfect
[14:54] <smile> Gambas uses GTK and QT4 :) 
[14:54] <smile> runtime uses GTK or QT
[14:54] <smile> depending on the environment
[14:54] <charl> but let's face it, java sucks for desktop applications, period
[14:54] <smile> yeah. :p
[14:54] <charl> it never made it on the desktop, it's now mostly just a server-side programming language
[14:54] <charl> qt is awesome, i used to program qt4 in c++
[14:54] <charl> gcc
[14:55] <charl> python also has qt4 support but yes, python is not fast
[14:55] <Kilos> nou val die klippe
[14:55] <charl> hailing Kilos ?
[14:55] <Kilos> yeah
[14:55] <charl> hail the captain like on star trek
[14:56] <Kilos> luckily pumpkins and tomatoes are all in sheltered spaces
[14:56] <charl> very good, very good
[14:56] <Kilos> hehe
[14:56] <smile> gcc is awesome as long as it works :P
[14:57] <charl> true, true
[14:57] <charl> but it's the de-facto so not much choice
[14:58] <smile> LLVM/Clang ;)
[14:59] <Kilos> oh man smile i wanted yous to try elementary because the 694mB file i downloaded was a text file
[15:00] <Kilos> k3b converted it
[15:00] <inetpro> charl: so what do you call a mobile interface like android, is that not like a desktop?
[15:00] <inetpro> AFAIAA it's mostly a modified java
[15:00] <smile> Kilos: lol :P
[15:00] <smile> not binary, lol
[15:01] <Kilos> how can they supply a text file not an iso?
[15:01] <smile> I already downloaded elementary on my 128 GB USB stick ;)
[15:01] <smile> Kilos: can't you simply rename it? :)
[15:01] <Kilos> i dunno, not going through all that again ill make an iso from the cd if needed
[15:02] <smile> it's raining :(
[15:02] <Kilos> and wget didnt put it in home as is normal it made a file called download
[15:02]  * smile is happy he's already home
[15:02] <Kilos> why would they do that
[15:02] <inetpro> Kilos: eish, so dark out there
[15:02] <smile> Kilos: download not finished? :p
[15:03] <smile> or maybe you downloaded the download page? :p
[15:03] <charl> inetpro: yes but it's not awt/swing, it's something google created from scratch
[15:03] <Kilos> no i ran wget -c twice more and it stayed the same
[15:03] <Kilos> but once k3b converted it it installed lekker
[15:04] <Kilos> and i posted a screenshot and asked here if that is what a mac looks like but no one answered
[15:04] <charl> smile: very interesting, i haven't really looked at clang much but it looks promising
[15:04] <inetpro> charl: what I'm saying is that java actually made it in a massive way on a smartphone, more than a desktop even
[15:04] <inetpro> even if it's amodified java
[15:05] <smile> charl: you should read http://phoronix.net more ;)
[15:05] <smile> http://phoronix.com I mean
[15:05] <smile> :)
[15:06] <charl> inetpro: true, true, java is now mostly used either on mobile devices and as server backends
[15:07] <charl> inetpro: that makes me think that it should be able to work on a desktop as well, but not the way they did it up to thus far
[15:07] <inetpro> now there I agree with you
[15:07] <Kilos> lyk of dit oopmaak van die suide inetpro 
[15:07] <charl> like smile said, they need to focus on integration more, not this "java" look, but something that appears like any other application
[15:08] <smile> I would use a Java backend but surely a GTK or QT frontend for any desktop application :)
[15:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ah, dankie... sal maar so bietjie wag
[15:08] <Kilos> dit het opgehou reen nou hier 10mm gekry
[15:09] <charl> smile: have you looked at QtJambi?
[15:09] <smile> I havent
[15:10] <charl> i don't know how good it is, haven't used it myself, but it looks like it's under active development on gitorious
[15:10] <smile> why not github :o
[15:10] <charl> why not gitorious
[15:10] <charl> :D
[15:11] <charl> what's nice is i've seen a lot of open source github-clones the last while you can host yourself!
[15:17] <smile> github is too cool to skip, charl :D
[15:18] <smile> http://qt-jambi.org/ <- active, you say? :) 2012 last update on the main page
[15:18] <smile> and january 2014 last change on the files (alright, that's acceptable)
[15:18] <smile> :)
[15:18] <charl> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-jambi that's why i said look on gitorious :P
[15:21] <smile> thanks, charl :p
[15:21]  * smile listens to music and lights (as released by Imagination)
[15:22] <charl> smile: have you taken a look at gitbucket? http://blog.christian-stankowic.de/?p=6329
[15:22] <smile> al van gehoord ;)
[15:22] <smile> not used yet, though
[15:22] <charl> or gitlab https://about.gitlab.com/
[15:22] <charl> i've been looking at both of them as alternatives to github because you can host them yourself
[15:23] <charl> gitorious can also be run by yourself in fact
[15:24] <charl> they offer most of the functionality of github
[15:25] <charl> even trac has git support now so lots of options to choose from
[15:25] <smile> charl: to have a private repository, yes, that's handy
[15:25] <smile> :)
[15:25] <charl> or a public one, doesn't matter
[15:26] <charl> whatever your needs are, but then you are in full control, not under the mercy of other companies and the us government
[15:36] <Kilos> ai!
[15:36] <Kilos> elementary would choose 12.04 hey
[15:37] <Kilos> same mobile broadband connection probs
[15:37] <smile> what do you think of Samsung 840 Evo 512GB in RAID 0? :D
[15:37] <smile> combined with a Core i7 4790K :D
[15:41] <smile> charl? :D
[15:48] <charl> hi back
[15:49] <charl> taking a look
[15:49] <charl> whow that's very cheap !
[15:49] <charl> the prices on SSDs are dropping constantly
[15:50] <Kilos> ya but when they crash they crash, no data recovery option
[15:51] <Kilos> you spend your life making backups
[15:51] <charl> Kilos: you're supposed to take backups anyway !! :P
[15:51] <charl> rsync is your friend
[15:51] <Kilos> hehe i forget
[15:53] <charl> smile: i'm looking at http://ark.intel.com/nl/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz now, it looks very promising
[15:53] <smile> :D
[15:53] <charl> 8MB cache, 4 cores, 8 threads
[15:53] <smile> 4 GHz base ;)
[15:53] <smile> you can overclock to 4,6 GHz safely :)
[15:54] <charl> 25,6 GB/s max geheugenbandbreedte !! whow
[15:54] <smile> only 32 GB RAM :(
[15:54] <charl> on http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4790K+%40+4.00GHz it also scores very high
[15:55] <charl> you were looking at more than 32GB?
[15:55] <charl> i still have 16GB sitting in my desktop and it's been good enough up to thus far but i do sometimes run out
[15:55] <smile> if I have one terrabyte RAM, I don't need SSD's ;
[15:55] <smile> ;)
[15:55] <charl> heh you can keep everything in memory cache
[15:56]  * smile downloads the whole internet
[15:56] <charl> that ssd has 540MB/s read and 520MB/s, that's also very decent
[15:56] <charl> i think you'
[15:56] <charl> you'll have a fast machine :P
[15:56] <smile> currently? :p
[15:56] <charl> sorry hit enter by accident
[15:59] <charl> i bought a new laptop a month ago http://shop.lenovo.com/nl/nl/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440/
[15:59] <charl> for personal use, not for company use
[15:59] <charl> it also has an ssd, 128gb so not so large, but i don't need much either
[15:59] <charl> once you go ssd you can't go back, the performance increase is immense
[16:00] <charl> and it's featherlight and compact too, solid design, very impressed so far
[16:02] <smile> :D
[16:02] <smile> looks good indeed
[16:25] <Kilos> smile what must i do with tha5t site
[16:25] <Kilos> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[16:26] <Kilos> that
[16:26] <Kilos> isnt all that stuff in synaptic
[16:48] <smile> Kilos: more sources for software -> more choice ;)
[17:19] <Kilos> oh ty smile. i dont need more than ubuntu offers
[17:19] <Kilos> i dont do fancy things like you guys
[17:20] <smile> lol :)
[17:57] <magespawn> good evening
[18:00] <magespawn> Kilos ping
[18:40] <magespawn> back again
[18:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn sorry
[18:42] <magespawn> no worries Kilos
[18:42] <Kilos> havent got bloep in xchat yet
[18:42] <Kilos> hows you magespawn 
[18:43] <magespawn> good and you Kilos?
[18:43] <Kilos> good ty installed elementaryos
[18:43] <Kilos> nice and fast but still got 12.04 nm probs
[18:44] <gremble> ElementaryOS looks very pretty
[18:44] <gremble> But it suffers from ubuntu-itis
[18:44] <gremble> :P
[18:44] <Kilos> actally only prob so far is nm mobile
[18:44] <Kilos> actually
[18:45] <Kilos> oh and i battled to find paths
[18:45] <superfly> pretty much why I went with Debian and KDE
[18:45] <gremble> And you'll battle if you want to configure anything
[18:45] <Kilos> luckily i saved the scripts the dev guys wrote for me to make things work
[18:46] <Kilos> configure what gremble 
[18:46] <magespawn> hi gremble superfly 
[18:46] <gremble> Pantheon is built from gnomeshell, but they took out most of the configurability
[18:46] <Kilos> and the stupid thing came as a text file not an iso
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:47] <Kilos> i dont think i configure things
[18:47] <Kilos> i just use data recivery tools and now got gparted from a whole new perspective
[18:48] <Kilos> recovery
[18:48] <Kilos> gparted is wonderful with drives with boot sector and some i/o probs
[18:50] <Kilos> i had written off a 200g drive then used gparted today to mark the bad sectors in the beginning of the drive then parted 5g of it to not be used then installed elementary on the rest and here we are
[18:52] <magespawn> pretty cool Kilos
[18:52] <bushtech> well done Kilos
[18:54] <Kilos> ty guys i really enjoy doing this kinda manual stuff
[18:54] <Kilos> very slow though
[18:54] <Kilos> half a day to format to ext2 then run the gparted check disk option
[18:55] <Kilos> but worth every minutes
[19:04] <magespawn> takes patience sometimes, but if it works then it is worth it
[19:06] <Kilos> yeah
[19:07] <Kilos> got a whole pile of working drives nou from vinces shipments
[19:15] <magespawn> i am off to bed, pretty tired
[19:16] <magespawn> good night all
[19:18] <smile> bye :)
[19:18] <Kilos> cheers smile 
[19:18] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:18] <smile> thanks :)