[07:47] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=a4d701b2836724f101d319c11205fa03201134fb xfce 11306
[08:28] <ochosi> morning folks
[08:28]  * ochosi is still travelling today
[08:31] <Unit193> Yey!
[08:33] <ochosi> :)
[08:33] <ochosi> will be back tomorrow or the latest wednesday though
[10:49] <ochosi> re: docs, fwiw i agree, making the css more responsive is sufficient
[10:49] <ochosi> and even that doesn't seem crucial to me
[10:49] <ochosi> primarily, people are going to read/access the docs on the device they need it for
[10:49] <knome> that would be relatively easy, so..
[10:50] <slickymasterWork> but it's a great idea, and something we could/should try
[10:50] <ochosi> i don't think many will take it with them on their holidays
[10:50] <ochosi> on their ebook reader
[10:50] <slickymasterWork> lol, that hardcore one just might ochosi ;)
[10:50] <knome> converting to more formats we have to is just more work
[10:50] <ochosi> exactly
[10:50] <knome> so not sure if it's worth the maintaining
[10:50] <ochosi> with dubious benefit
[10:50] <knome> how many ebook readers are there which can't load a webpage?
[10:51] <knome> kindle?
[10:51] <knome> that's it?
[10:51]  * ochosi doesn't have an ebook reader
[10:51] <slickymasterWork> neither do I
[10:51] <knome> me neither
[10:51] <knome> "dave" on the mailing list said he accesses the docs on kindle or nexus7, when he couldn't access them online
[10:52] <Unit193> The message from Dave is worth reading, and as long as you don't want me to make it more pretty than it is, I have a functional epub. :P
[10:52] <knome> so one aspect of that is, i guess, being offline and not having access to the computer (because it's broken)
[10:52]  * slickymasterWork hasn't received that message yet
[10:52] <ochosi> knome: but i thought we cover that with offline docs already?
[10:53] <knome> ochosi, yes, but note my note (pun not intended) about not having access to the computer (because it's "broken") and thus wanting to read the docs in the first place
[10:53] <knome> but, corner case
[10:53] <knome> i would definitely say the whole ebook stuff is a corner case
[10:54] <ochosi> yup
[10:54] <knome> i would be much more interesting in considering a PDF format
[10:54] <ochosi> +1
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> and eventually with a potential scarce audience
[10:54] <knome> but getting that in the shape i want to...
[10:54] <ochosi> can we maybe export the html to pdf in a sensible way?
[10:54] <knome> we can export the docbook markup to pdf directly afaik
[10:55] <knome> but that doesn't mean it'll look good
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> I think that what the former ubuntu manual team used to fo
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> s/fo/do
[10:55] <knome> there should be some kind of automatic intelligence that is able to recognize orphan rows, for example
[10:56] <slickymasterWork> we could ask godbyk about it
[10:56] <knome> nah
[10:56] <knome> i can just look for it
[10:56] <Unit193> Ask the docs lead.
[10:56] <ochosi> anyway, i would agree it's not really our highest priority
[10:57] <knome> added a work item
[10:57] <ochosi> doing the css part makes sense though
[10:57] <knome> yep
[10:57] <ochosi> does our website work with smaller devices in general?
[10:57] <knome> ochosi, no
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> not on my Samsung
[10:57] <knome> ochosi, it has some very simple responsive design applied to it currently
[10:57] <knome> the docs is different
[10:58] <knome> that's so much easier to make responsive
[10:58] <ochosi> from my pov, that would have a larger target audience than just the docs
[10:58] <ochosi> but still low priority
[10:58] <knome> sure, that's a work item for me already as well
[10:58] <ochosi> at least as long as xubuntu isn't available/usable for tablets ;)
[10:58] <knome> i've been thinking about it when i've had time along the way
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[10:59] <knome> i wouldn't want xubuntu on my tablets, i rather put my plate on it
[10:59] <knome> :PPP
[10:59] <ochosi> whoa
[10:59] <ochosi> :]
[11:32] <ali1234> brb in 1 week
[11:52] <bluesabre> maybe that should have been more of a "bbl"
[16:49] <elfy> dkessel: looking at this bluetooth testcase bug - right click's not working here for me 
[17:21] <dkessel> elfy: mh ok maybe some old settings on my machine
[17:22] <elfy> I had to start bluetooth - all turned off here, left click on the bluetooth in settings did nothing - can't even get it on the panel to check there
[17:22] <elfy> I assume you're not left=handed and swapped the buttons 
[18:09] <knome> slickymasterWork, ochosi: the docs branch is updated with a responsive CSS file and some other improvements (see commit message and changelog for more information)
[18:10] <elfy> I'll say thanks - I'm sure it'll be good for us :)
[18:10] <knome> np :)
[18:11] <knome> elfy, you can test it yourself too; get the branch, then open the documentation in a browser and strecth the window to be really narrow :)
[18:11] <elfy> mmm
[18:11] <elfy> you'd have to point me to the branch :)
[18:12] <knome> bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs
[18:12] <elfy> knome: replicating a phone? is this what this is aimed at?
[18:12] <knome> well, replicating any small-resolution situation
[18:13] <slickymasterWork> great knome, I'll build them locally when I get home and see how it's working~
[18:13] <elfy> yup - kind of where I was going - if you can read it on a smartphone - you can read it anywhere
[18:13] <knome> i don't believe in special "phone versions" of websites, i rather just make the phone (browser) manufacturers make sure they follow the same rules as desktop browsers
[18:14] <elfy> yep - but you know what this poor old man was saying ;)
[18:14] <slickymasterWork> btw knome, I had a few minutes to investigate the export possibilities Docbook -> PDf, and as far as I've been able to see, most of them go through using LaTex
[18:15] <elfy> mmm so poor old man needs to be pointed at where to open it from - getting xml errors :(
[18:25] <slickymasterWork> knome, over at http://wiki.docbook.org/DocBookTools#Other_tools it's mentioned -> susedoc, a small documentation system which is used by SUSE. It consists of Makefiles and various scripts to convert DocBook XML sources into PDF, HTML or Manpages. Available for Linux only.
[18:27] <slickymasterWork> but I haven't research it yet
[21:05] <elfy> wb ochosi 
[21:05] <elfy> if you're actually there ;)
[23:02] <slickymaster> knome, I've tested your rev. 277 and it works
[23:02] <slickymaster> great work, thanks for it
[23:11] <slickymaster> elfy, I'm thinking of marking https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1393204 either 'Incomplete' or 'Invalid'
[23:12] <elfy> slickymaster: dkessel is going to double check - spoke earlier
[23:13] <slickymaster> I commented on the bug report
[23:14] <elfy> k - thanks slickymaster :)
[23:14] <slickymaster> np
[23:18] <elfy> :)
[23:18] <elfy> jack's mp I commented on - don't think there's anything else currently
[23:19]  * ochosi just arrived @home after 5 days of travelling
[23:19] <ochosi> will probably need some time getting set up again
[23:19] <slickymaster> yes, besides those and yours, that balloons reviewed there's nothing else
[23:19] <ochosi> i'll check in with you guys tomorrow or so
[23:19] <slickymaster> welcome back ochosi 
[23:20] <elfy> ochosi: or Thursday or something, but welcome back regardless :)
[23:22] <ochosi> ty :)
[23:23] <ochosi> elfy: fwiw, i'll try to set up a real install of V within the next week
[23:23] <elfy> thanks ;)
[23:23] <elfy> I just worry ;)
[23:23] <ochosi> i'll have to get rid of utopic though, but that's so last-cycle anyway...
[23:23] <elfy> I won't say I still have my utopic at the moment then :p
[23:23] <ochosi> :]
[23:24] <ochosi> well i just wanna get back to more exploratory testing
[23:24] <elfy> not booted it though 
[23:24]  * slickymaster won't get rid of his trusty box
[23:24]  * elfy still has trsuty - now having a 2 cycle old version - something I've not done since 2008 ish
[23:25] <elfy> ochosi: funnily enough the first place that I'll see a reason not to apt-get upgrade is usually the mad +1 forum 
[23:25] <ochosi> heh
[23:26] <slickymaster> :)
[23:26] <ochosi> yeah, frankly i've totally abandoned the forums due to lack of free time
[23:26] <elfy> I always have a quick look in there to see if I should let x upgrade 
[23:26] <ochosi> mm, makes sense
[23:26] <elfy> I kind of can't abandon it ;)