[00:47] <ggg> :)
[00:47] <ggg> hi
[00:48] <ggg> if I am installing lubuntu on T61 Lenovo 2 GB ram is it better to install 32 bit version?
[00:48] <ggg> or 62
[00:48] <ggg> *64
[00:48] <ggg> which one is faster?
[00:49] <wxl> you playing games or doing video editing ggg ?
[00:49] <ggg> no
[00:49] <wxl> then it doesn't really matter
[00:49] <ggg> oki
[00:49] <wxl> however, i would argue that 64bit is a little more "common"
[00:50] <ggg> also it seems screen refresh rate is lower in ubuntu or something
[00:50] <Unit193> If you have a fair amount of RAM and your computer supports it, 64bit.
[00:50] <ggg> eyes get tired :D
[00:50] <ggg> in win its ok
[00:50] <wxl> Unit193: although, that's really not often achieved outside of computationally intensive programs
[00:50] <wxl> ggg: you can change that of course
[00:50] <wxl> there's been talk in the ubuntu community about getting rid of 32 bit images
[00:50] <wxl> from what i can tell this is not ready to happen, but it may be a harbinger of what's to come
[00:51] <wxl> excellent :)
[00:52] <ggg> wx1 lol I wonder what in lubuntu makes screen to harsh on eyes
[00:52] <ggg> diff drivers?
[00:52] <wxl> possibly
[00:52] <wxl> depends on whether or not your chip has an open source driver
[00:52] <wxl> if so, it's probably the same
[00:52] <ggg> i dont think it have
[00:53] <ggg> screen looks  a bit like robotron lol
[00:55] <ggg> lol
[00:56] <ggg> oki time to sleep
[00:56] <ggg> screen really mad
[00:56] <ggg> :D
[01:48] <acecipher> Hey, how does one move the control bar thing down on screen?
[02:53] <ianorlin> acecipher you can drag window with alt +mouse
[02:54] <ianorlin> did you move panel?
[02:57] <acecipher> no
[02:57] <acecipher> Elyssa needs it
[03:54] <ianorlin> the panel?
[06:32] <anjo-aladiah> There is any way to personalize the Keybord under Lubuntu or ubuntu ? My keyboard is Spanish and i use to right in Portuguese, so i not able to put the ~ up on the A or the O !Some tip to help me ?There is any way to personalize the Keybord under Lubuntu or ubuntu ? My keyboard is Spanish and i use to right in Portuguese, so i not able to put the ~ up on the A or the O !Some tip to help me ?
[06:34] <anjo-aladiah> There is some way to run a website that need Microsfot Silverlight to run under ubuntu or lubuntu ?
[06:34] <anjo-aladiah> like this one http://irisonline.pt/
[06:53] <wxl> ok, here's the question for the advanced support: how do you set your own compose sequences? having import "%L" plus definitions in ~/.XCompose does not seem to be enough
[06:54] <hateball> anjo-aladiah: I don't think there's any other way than using WINE these days
[06:55] <wxl> silverlight? i think the mono guys made something along those lines.
[06:55] <wxl> but afaik silverlight's on its way out
[06:55] <anjo-aladiah> i am no able to install moonlight on console
[06:55] <anjo-aladiah> Why i cant install linux microsoft silver light alternativa ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9067112/
[06:55] <anjo-aladiah> There is some Lubuntu or ubuntu alternative to Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4
[06:56] <anjo-aladiah> i need to personalizes my Spanish Keyboard because iam Portuguese.In the Key i have ¨ and ' and { , i need ~, but this one iam not able to put it up on the A or the O letter .
[06:57] <wxl> you mean you want Ã and Õ
[06:57] <wxl> !pt
[06:58] <hateball> afaik moonlight is dead and buried
[06:58] <hateball> running Firefox or IE in wine is probably a less painful solution
[06:58] <wxl> rmadison moonlight-plugin-mozilla is sure taking its sweet time :)
[06:59] <wxl> oh ic why
[06:59] <wxl> available only for lucid
[06:59] <wxl> that's why anjo-aladiah -- development died
[06:59] <wxl> !info moonlight-plugin-mozilla lucid
[06:59] <wxl> so there it is
[06:59] <wxl> and if we look at the current lts version:
[06:59] <wxl> !info moonlight-plugin-mozilla trusty
[06:59] <wxl> it's not there
[07:01] <wxl> there's no repos on mono's git hub
[07:01] <wxl> i think we can call it dead
[07:01] <wxl> oh nope it exists
[07:01] <anjo-aladiah> There is an alternative to open this website
[07:02] <anjo-aladiah> irisonline.pt ?
[07:02] <wxl> latest commit over a year ago
[07:02] <anjo-aladiah> http://www.irisonline.pt
[07:02] <wxl> you could built it yourself https://github.com/mono/moon
[07:02] <wxl> anjo-aladiah: it may be easier to help you in portugese. try #ubuntu-br or #ubuntu-pt
[07:03] <hateball> Why not just use Wine, that way the silverlight stain is contained even more
[07:03] <wxl> hahaha
[07:04] <anjo-aladiah> I prefere English room, its more internationalized and better help
[07:04] <anjo-aladiah> more people
[07:04] <anjo-aladiah> more ideas
[07:05] <wxl> anjo-aladiah: well, in that case, either use firefox in wine or compile moon yourself.
[07:05] <anjo-aladiah> ok
[07:05] <wxl> anjo-aladiah: although i bet you the guys that speak your language probably have more direct experience with dealing with the keyboard.
[07:06] <anjo-aladiah> no they dont.
[07:06] <wxl> well more than i do :)
[07:06] <anjo-aladiah> Portuguese people use to buy portuguese  laptops with portuguese keyboard
[07:07] <anjo-aladiah> I went to Spain buy one with 17 inchs that they dont sell for a faire price in Portugal at all or they dont sell at all
[07:07] <anjo-aladiah> thats why
[07:08] <anjo-aladiah> Its easy to find a South american Brazilian with a south american Spanish with this problem
[07:09] <hateball> I don't understand the issue, is it that you can't change layout?
[07:09] <hateball> Even if the physical keyboard is spanish you should be able to change the layout to portugese
[07:15] <anjo-aladiah> hateball
[07:16] <hateball> That's me
[07:16] <anjo-aladiah> hateball: i need to personalizes my Spanish Keyboard because iam Portuguese.In the Key i have ¨ and ' and { , i need ~, but this one iam not able to put it up on the A or the O letter .
[07:16] <wxl> like Ã
[07:16] <wxl> technically compose will take care of it
[07:17] <anjo-aladiah> There is some Lubuntu or ubuntu alternative to Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4  ? Someone in Ubuntu room toold me the LXDEkeytool is able to do it
[07:17] <anjo-aladiah> thanks any way
[07:17] <anjo-aladiah> yes wxl
[07:17] <anjo-aladiah> thas it
[07:17] <anjo-aladiah> iam only able to Ä
[07:17] <anjo-aladiah> its different doesnit ?
[07:18] <wxl> hard to tell at the font size i'm using :)
[07:18] <anjo-aladiah> lol
[07:18] <wxl> with the compose key i just alt A ~
[07:18] <wxl> i have alt set to the compose key
[07:18] <anjo-aladiah> iam able to tyoe ~
[07:18] <anjo-aladiah> but not able to put it up on the consoant
[07:19] <wxl> if you add the following to ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart it will work for you:
[07:19] <wxl> @setxkbmap -option compose:ralt
[07:19] <wxl> note that will make it work for the RIGHT alt
[07:20] <anjo-aladiah> that to much hacking for me .
[07:21] <anjo-aladiah> if i put that sentence any where inside that file, ¨ ' {   key will i give ~' {    for sure ?=
[07:23] <wxl> i can't understand what you're asking
[07:24] <anjo-aladiah> because ~  doesn exist in this keyboard, i read on internet that if i did Alt gr + 4  key combination( note this key show me 4$ charaters), it will gave me ~, and it did but not the way i want up on the consoants !
[07:24] <wxl> how are you able to type it then?
[07:25] <anjo-aladiah> doing Alt gr + 4 key combination( note this key show me 4$ charaters)
[07:25] <anjo-aladiah> but this ~ is under line
[07:25] <anjo-aladiah> when i do the combination it appear even before i type any letter!
[07:25] <anjo-aladiah> lolol
[07:25] <anjo-aladiah> its hilariant
[07:25] <wxl> <compose key> <A> <~> = Ã
[07:26] <wxl> just like <compose> <.> <.> = …
[07:26] <wxl> and <compose> <C> <|> = ¢
[07:26] <wxl> and <compose> <e> <=> = €
[07:26] <wxl> etc
[07:27] <anjo-aladiah> ho my friend if i was close to you , i will pay you to do it for me .
[07:27] <anjo-aladiah> believe me
[07:27]  * wxl shrugs
[07:27] <wxl> oh
[07:27] <anjo-aladiah> iam not well prepared to do it
[07:27] <wxl> try using setxkbmap -option compose:ralt in a run window or a terminal
[07:28] <anjo-aladiah> i will do it now
[07:28] <anjo-aladiah> ok Ç?
[07:28] <anjo-aladiah> you help me
[07:28] <wxl> heh
[07:28] <wxl> if you put it with the @ in that autostart file it will be done automatically from here on out
[07:28] <anjo-aladiah> first of all i put @setxkbmap -option compose:ralt  on terminal right ?
[07:29] <anjo-aladiah> or first i have to open the file
[07:30] <wxl> if you already have that running, then you're good for this session
[07:30] <wxl> if you add that to the autostart file, then it will work next time and there on out
[07:32] <anjo-aladiah> i need to open and modify the file first doesn it
[07:33] <hateball> "echo @setxkbmap -option compose:ralt > ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart"
[07:33] <hateball> just paste that, done
[07:33] <wxl> um
[07:33] <wxl> misplaced echo?
[07:33] <wxl> s/echo/quote/
[07:33] <anjo-aladiah> there is a way to revert if something went wrong ?
[07:34] <anjo-aladiah> so i will type in console :   echo @setxkbmap -option compose:ralt > ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[07:34] <anjo-aladiah> wxl there is a way to revert if something go wrong ?
[07:34] <wxl> anjo-aladiah: quite easy to fix. but you should type the following EXACTLY:
[07:35] <wxl> echo "@setxkbmap -option compose:ralt" >> ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[07:35] <anjo-aladiah> ok i did it
[07:35] <anjo-aladiah> the console dont answear me nothing . it s normal ?
[07:35] <wxl> yep that's usually a good sign
[07:35] <hateball> wxl: Yes, bit too fast on the trigger. Not enough coffee :)
[07:36] <wxl> hateball: aye yae yae
[07:36] <anjo-aladiah> äÄ~aæ´wxl  +
[07:36] <wxl> hahaha someone's having fun over there XD
[07:36] <anjo-aladiah> this did nothing
[07:37] <anjo-aladiah> ñää
[07:37] <wxl> right alt letter tilde
[07:37] <anjo-aladiah> æ
[07:38] <wxl> that's alt a e
[07:38] <anjo-aladiah> æ~
[07:38] <wxl> a then ~
[07:38] <anjo-aladiah> i dont have ~ on my keyboard remember ?
[07:39] <anjo-aladiah> a~
[07:39] <wxl> then how can you type it??? :)
[07:39] <anjo-aladiah> Alt Gr + 4
[07:39] <wxl> oh sheesh
[07:39] <anjo-aladiah> combination
[07:39] <anjo-aladiah> and it appear imediatly
[07:40] <anjo-aladiah> even before a type a or o or anything
[07:40] <hateball> alt gr is "right alt", if anyone is confused here
[07:40] <anjo-aladiah> wxl what i should type now to revert the process
[07:40] <wxl> that may be the problem
[07:40] <wxl> just edit the file and change ralt to lalt
[07:40] <wxl> then run the command in terminal
[07:41] <anjo-aladiah> how
[07:41] <anjo-aladiah> ok
[07:41] <wxl> with any file editor you like including leafpad
[07:41] <anjo-aladiah> tell me
[07:41] <anjo-aladiah> please
[07:41] <anjo-aladiah> the command
[07:41] <wxl> open leafpad
[07:41] <wxl> do file open
[07:41] <wxl> navigate to the file
[07:41] <wxl> open it
[07:41] <wxl> change the r to and l
[07:41] <wxl> save the file
[07:41] <anjo-aladiah> where it is =
[07:41] <anjo-aladiah> ç?
[07:42] <wxl> your home directory /.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[07:43] <anjo-aladiah> ok i did it
[07:43] <anjo-aladiah> and save
[07:43] <anjo-aladiah> now reboot need ?
[07:43] <wxl> good now actually run the command in terminal
[07:43] <anjo-aladiah> what command ?¿
[07:43] <anjo-aladiah> echo @setxkbmap -option compose:ralt > ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[07:43] <wxl> setxkbmap -option compose:lalt
[07:43] <anjo-aladiah>  ?
[07:43] <wxl> then do the following:
[07:43] <anjo-aladiah> done
[07:44] <wxl> <left alt> <A> <altgr + 4>
[07:44] <anjo-aladiah> ~
[07:44] <anjo-aladiah> ~
[07:45] <anjo-aladiah> nothing happens
[07:45] <anjo-aladiah> dont work at all
[07:45] <wxl> try restarting
[07:45] <anjo-aladiah> reboot ?
[09:54] <anjo-aladiah> wxl
[09:55] <anjo-aladiah> wxl: iam back . After reboot it doesn t work . Please how can i put things as they were prior to our interventation ?
[09:59] <anjo-aladiah> wxl: do you remember what we did http://paste.ubuntu.com/9069492/
[10:04] <anjo-aladiah> then i chenge RALT TO LALT as you said
[17:53] <NyanCat> phillw, are you around by chance?
[17:56] <NyanCat> Since there's a chance that person might be: I was in here two days ago. I've got an Acer Aspire One 725-0826 and I reported that waking up from suspension was not working properly (blank screen). I was experimenting and tried `sudo pm-suspend` and... Well, that worked
[17:56] <NyanCat> But closing the lid or suspending from shutdown screen still doesn't work
[17:56] <holstein> yeah.. it can be challenging.. on hardware that doesnt support linux well, i usually come up with a workaround. in some cases, just not using or expecting suspend support
[17:57] <NyanCat> Though I know it's possible on this unit because suspend/resume works fine using regular Ubuntu with Unity
[17:59] <holstein> sure.. just make sure you are comparing the same versions.. like 14.04 ubuntu vs 14.04 lubuntu.. and not, different kernels
[18:01] <NyanCat> holstein, hmm, nice one
[18:01] <NyanCat> Now that you mention it...
[18:02] <NyanCat> I'm not sure that I'm running the same version
[18:02] <holstein> NyanCat: you can probably test with the live iso's.. if you dont need proprietary graphics drivers..
[18:03] <NyanCat> Though actually that right there might be the issue
[18:03] <NyanCat> Just noticed that i'm using stock for everything
[18:03] <NyanCat> and apparently the os is reporting that my wireless isn't working even though... i'm connected through wireless
[18:03] <NyanCat> lol
[18:03] <holstein> its a matter of just isolating, and keeping an open mind.. since, you are not promised linux support. it can be challenging, for sure
[18:03] <NyanCat> well heck holstein if you hadn't have mentioned the word proprietary i wouldn't have checked
[18:04] <NyanCat> So it's certainly more help than anything (:
[18:07] <NyanCat> holstein, going to reboot and try again
[18:07] <NyanCat> looks promising so far
[18:08] <holstein> NyanCat: i wish i could say "it wont hurt" ;)
[18:14] <NyanCat> holstein, hah
[18:14] <NyanCat> well, if it does hurt, i'm punching you first
[18:15] <NyanCat> holstein
[18:15] <NyanCat> IT WORKED
[18:15] <NyanCat> i resumed to lock screen
[18:15] <holstein> lol
[18:15] <holstein> NyanCat: cheers.. that was easy
[18:16] <NyanCat> now i can use an OS that goes easier on my battery!
[18:22] <phillw> NyanCat: I am, but seems problem solved :)
[18:22] <NyanCat> heck yeah
[19:20] <NyanCat> holstein, just playing with it here
[19:20] <NyanCat> it's a bit touchy, but it works to my liking
[19:21] <NyanCat> sometimes i have to close the lid again and then reopen it
[19:27] <aarondabomb> Hey fellas, is anyone here very familiar with lxle? I just switched from lubuntu to lxle, and I think some configuration settings are left over in my home partition and I'm trying to change them act more like lxle does in a live boot
[19:30] <testdr> aarondabomb: create a new user (maybe with admin-rights) and check this default clean empty one -- then you can compare to all those configurations in your old-home-directory in   .config  .local .gconf and so on
[19:31] <aarondabomb> testdr: thanks that's a good idea!
[23:50] <Hertz> hello
[23:50] <Hertz> any ideas how I can get proper video driver for t61 laptop?
[23:51] <Hertz> there is some funny stuff goes on
[23:51] <Hertz> eyes get tired fast
[23:51] <Hertz> like some barely noticeable flickering
[23:56] <Hertz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1861251
[23:57] <ianorlin> Hertz what kind of graphics on the laptop?
[23:59] <Hertz> checking