| cmaloney | Evening | 00:53 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | ugh | 00:54 |
| cmaloney | That good eh? | 01:03 |
| rick_h_ | party | 01:41 |
| brousch | buttloads of snow | 02:23 |
| jrwren | yay for not having to leave teh house | 02:48 |
| greg-g | ugh for colds :( | 03:23 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 11:16 |
| brousch | ug | 13:00 |
| rick_h_ | heh that good eh? | 13:40 |
| brousch | ~8" | 13:41 |
| brousch | Maybe 7 | 13:41 |
| brousch | A lot of blowing snow last night and this morning making whiteout conditions | 13:41 |
| rick_h_ | ouch | 13:41 |
| rick_h_ | just dust here, but it sure seems early in the winter (is it winter yet technically?) for 11F | 13:42 |
| brousch | It's lake effect snow, so you don't get much of it | 13:43 |
| mrgoodcat | WMU got a snow day this morning | 13:43 |
| mrgoodcat | 6" of snow over there | 13:43 |
| mrgoodcat | surprised they closed over 6 inches | 13:43 |
| brousch | Yeah, it's really not that bad | 13:43 |
| brousch | Schools closed here too, but it's not nearly as bad as last year when they stayed open | 13:44 |
| rick_h_ | well at one point they kind of had to | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | they used up all their snow days and it kept coming | 13:47 |
| brousch | We didn't use them all | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | oh, over here they went long after the year to meet the min mandates and such | 13:48 |
| brousch | And colleges closing over 6" of snow? U-M never closed back in my day | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | I guess a lot of them were closed due to cold | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | it was so freaking cold last winter | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | well they were saying last year once the worst in 20 years so how long ago were you in school :P | 13:48 |
| brousch | It's only 18F and 6" of snow and WMU, GVSU, etc are closed | 13:49 |
| brousch | today | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 14:15 |
| cmaloney | I'm representing MUG at work | 14:22 |
| cmaloney | it's "Michigan / Detroit day" (spirit week) and I don't have many shirts that have Michigan on them | 14:22 |
| cmaloney | I think I have 15 for Ohio between PyOhio, Ohio Linuxfest, and Cinciclassic. | 14:22 |
| cmaloney | This is unsustainable. | 14:23 |
| mrgoodcat | i have like a hundred WMU shirts | 14:45 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: schools are closed because of union contracts. Snow came too early and fast. | 14:46 |
| cmaloney | The unions couldn't keep up? :) | 15:07 |
| mrgoodcat | pretty much | 15:15 |
| mrgoodcat | The contracts stipulate things like number of days of notice before work and such. Can't break the rules | 15:15 |
| _stink_ | my freshman year at WMU we had a snow day the day before thanksgiving | 15:31 |
| _stink_ | which was a big surprise | 15:32 |
| cmaloney | I'll bet. | 15:53 |
| cmaloney | I'm surprised at the amount of folks commenting on my end of radio post. | 16:20 |
| cmaloney | (http://decafbad.net/2014/11/12/seth-godin-an-end-of-radio/) | 16:20 |
| mrgoodcat | don't normally get comments? | 16:24 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Not generally | 16:25 |
| cmaloney | Usually I get one or two depending if wolfger or one of my other friends is paying attention | 16:25 |
| cmaloney | these are two folks that I don't know. | 16:25 |
| cmaloney | Although one of them had kind of a spammish link which I removed. | 16:26 |
| cmaloney | But hey, if I'm getting spammers that are actually leaving reasonable comments I'll take it. :) | 16:27 |
| cmaloney | Man, it looks like the Debian project is going through some major churn | 16:38 |
| mrgoodcat | in what way? | 16:52 |
| mrgoodcat | code churn or people churn? | 16:52 |
| rick_h_ | both :) | 16:52 |
| cmaloney | People churn | 16:52 |
| cmaloney | I think last count of folks stepping down is at 4 | 16:53 |
| greg-g | "Let's Encrypt", thoughts? https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jhalderm/announcing-lets-encrypt/ | 16:53 |
| cmaloney | So Let's Encrypt becomes a CA? | 17:02 |
| cmaloney | am I reading that right? | 17:02 |
| cmaloney | 1) I'm not sure I like the "create a piece of software" bit in order to make certificates easier. | 17:03 |
| cmaloney | since I'm not sure what that software will be mucking with | 17:03 |
| cmaloney | though getting https certificates installed properly is less than trivial | 17:03 |
| cmaloney | 2) What's to keep bad-actors from bad-acting and getting this CA blacklisted? | 17:04 |
| cmaloney | On the surface I like it | 17:04 |
| cmaloney | Part of the reason I'm not using https is because of cost / PITA. | 17:04 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: wish them luck. Dealing with cross domain warnings from browsers, https overhead (austrailia users get a 400ms hit every https domain they get on canonical services), and cert management is hard let's go shopping | 17:09 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: but as someone that pays out of pocket for SSL certs on hobby and even our QA sites at work I'm all +1 on https | 17:09 |
| rick_h_ | and that's beyond the stuff that's just ip addresses or local dns and not real urls and the like | 17:11 |
| jrwren | it is very sad what is happening in systemd world and debian land. | 17:15 |
| jrwren | very similar to the hate filled boycot novell that happened in mono land. | 17:15 |
| jrwren | let's encrypt - as long as its open source, because no other way do I trust "Web site operators simply install a small piece of software that takes care of the entire process." | 17:20 |
| cmaloney | I wish there was better support for self-signed certificates | 17:26 |
| cmaloney | But I completely understand why I'm asking for something impossible. | 17:27 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: easier to run your own CA. | 17:29 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: and there is great support for that. | 17:29 |
| cmaloney | i've not had any luck not getting a ton of warnings about that | 17:29 |
| jrwren | did you import your CA root as a trusted cert? | 17:30 |
| cmaloney | I thought I did | 17:30 |
| cmaloney | This was a while ago, so the specifics are lost in time | 17:30 |
| * DrDaemonEye peers in | 17:44 | |
| cmaloney | DrDaemonEye: Howdy. :) | 17:47 |
| DrDaemonEye | hey hey cmaloney :) | 17:47 |
| DrDaemonEye | I had forgotten that I should be here | 17:47 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, we need to have some sort of nagging mechanism. ;) | 17:52 |
| DrDaemonEye | We do... I think there is also a channel for the michigan users group? | 17:52 |
| cmaloney | Yep, #mugorg | 17:52 |
| DrDaemonEye | thanks. | 17:53 |
| cmaloney | np | 17:53 |
| DrDaemonEye | there... I am in all the right local channels | 17:54 |
| DrDaemonEye | How's everyone doing? | 17:56 |
| cmaloney | Hanging in there. | 17:57 |
| cmaloney | Doing the working thing | 17:57 |
| cmaloney | listening to Metallica for the first time in forever. | 17:57 |
| DrDaemonEye | good good. :) Working... fun stuff. | 17:57 |
| DrDaemonEye | Oh nice. I am listening to Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time. | 17:57 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, there's a reason that Cliff-era Metallica was one of the big four | 17:59 |
| DrDaemonEye | I saw a couple of their albums on vinyl record. | 17:59 |
| cmaloney | I think they're reissuing them | 17:59 |
| cmaloney | Vinyl is pretty big in the metal world | 17:59 |
| cmaloney | http://www.earache.com/uswebstore/ | 18:00 |
| DrDaemonEye | Yea. It is becoming big again around town here, but I have a feeling I live in a hipsterish college town. | 18:00 |
| cmaloney | Whereabouts? | 18:00 |
| DrDaemonEye | Ann Arbor | 18:00 |
| cmaloney | yeah, that's a hipsterish college town. ;) | 18:00 |
| cmaloney | Though there's a vinyl store in Royal Oak (UHF) that I adore. | 18:01 |
| DrDaemonEye | It really is. | 18:01 |
| jrwren | yay Ann Arbor | 18:01 |
| DrDaemonEye | jrwren: you in A2? | 18:01 |
| jrwren | yes | 18:01 |
| cmaloney | jrwren is the face of Ann Arbor | 18:01 |
| DrDaemonEye | you ever make it down to All Hands Active? | 18:01 |
| jrwren | I've been there once or twice. | 18:01 |
| DrDaemonEye | Ah okay. you should come by sometime... Just got membership there again | 18:02 |
| jrwren | i was trying to point it out to someone a couple weeks ago. it was 9pm on Monday night after a semjs meeting at Baracuda, and I couldn't find the door. We were just across the street | 18:02 |
| DrDaemonEye | Anyway, I think it is about time to get vinyl record player | 18:03 |
| DrDaemonEye | Yea, Mondays the door tends to dark | 18:03 |
| cmaloney | DrDaemonEye: Yea, i have one that I haven't hooked up | 18:03 |
| cmaloney | at least in $newlocation | 18:03 |
| DrDaemonEye | :) I also want to get a tube audio amp | 18:04 |
| cmaloney | I'd love to find a good one that isn't over $400 | 18:04 |
| DrDaemonEye | hehe. :) | 18:04 |
| cmaloney | and isn't a kit. ;) | 18:04 |
| cmaloney | That or a nice Class-T amp | 18:04 |
| DrDaemonEye | I'd want a kit, so I can do custom cases | 18:04 |
| cmaloney | I have one that I like but it's a little underpowered | 18:05 |
| cmaloney | Pyle 20watt/ch | 18:05 |
| DrDaemonEye | nice. :) | 18:05 |
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| jrwren | oh, I didn't realize let's encrypt is an eff project. https://www.eff.org/press/releases/new-free-certificate-authority-dramatically-increase-encrypted-internet-traffic | 20:47 |
| jrwren | It now has my trust. | 20:47 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: does canonical use caching pops/some sort of cdn? | 22:45 |
| greg-g | we put a cache/terminator in SF and it helped oceania a ton (main DC is in Ashburn, with another cache in Amsterdam) | 22:46 |
| greg-g | still bad, without having something in Japan or so all of oceania is screwed | 22:46 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: not for all things | 23:00 |
| * greg-g nods | 23:00 | |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: the packages stuff has some mirrors | 23:01 |
| rick_h_ | and things like ubuntu images in the clouds and such | 23:01 |
| rick_h_ | but for most just apps/etc no. | 23:01 |
| greg-g | gotcha | 23:01 |
| rick_h_ | though we're looking at some of that in some upcoming work, but not like you guys do I'm sure | 23:01 |
| greg-g | well, our use case is limited | 23:03 |
| greg-g | "text webpages and images" is pretty easy to cache | 23:03 |
| rick_h_ | yea, true | 23:04 |
| rick_h_ | the thing with ours is a lot of interactive apps that make caching alone hard enough much less really pushing it too hard out to the edges | 23:04 |
| greg-g | totally | 23:04 |
| greg-g | 99% usecase for us is anonymous users being served a cached copy | 23:05 |
| greg-g | the 1% (editors/logged in users) is harder, of course, but we can easily throw hardware at both problems | 23:05 |
| rick_h_ | gotcha | 23:05 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I think our future is more on the idea of running multiple instances of the apps in diff geo regions and getting users to the closest instance | 23:06 |
| greg-g | I can't wait until we have our second DC up and running (in dallas) with full replication/etc | 23:06 |
| rick_h_ | but we'll see | 23:06 |
| rick_h_ | woot! | 23:06 |
| rick_h_ | MOAR POWAR | 23:06 |
| greg-g | we're still tiny compared to the other top 5 websites, but adding another 600+ servers is always fun :) | 23:07 |
| rick_h_ | how'd you make out building your team? | 23:08 |
| greg-g | still in-progress (one more RelEng hire open, interviews on-going), but going well. We just had a Team Health Check today: | 23:09 |
| greg-g | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Health_check_survey | 23:09 |
| rick_h_ | "no colds allowed" | 23:09 |
| rick_h_ | interesting | 23:10 |
| greg-g | stole the idea from Spotify I think | 23:10 |
| greg-g | but yeah, a bunch of teams are doing it | 23:10 |
| greg-g | but, today, we had ours, and we were pretty much all "awesome" for each one. We only had two "meh"s | 23:10 |
| greg-g | Also got a lot of positive feedback in the "Fun" section about how I've held the team together. Basically, I thought to myself "they like me! They really really like me!" | 23:11 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 23:13 |
| rick_h_ | always good to hear | 23:13 |
| greg-g | means I'm not enough of a hardass, apparently :P | 23:13 |
| rick_h_ | I just hide it behind laughing so it sounds better :P | 23:15 |
| greg-g | #managementbehindthescenes | 23:15 |
| rick_h_ | I can't seem to pull that off. I'm too into everything. It's something to figure out still | 23:16 |
| greg-g | what's it in that sentence? | 23:17 |
| rick_h_ | "manage behind the scenes" | 23:17 |
| rick_h_ | as in kind of hands off/invisible | 23:17 |
| * rick_h_ needs to do some singing of "let it go! let it go!" | 23:18 | |
| greg-g | oh, I meant more "we're talking about our secrets here" | 23:18 |
| greg-g | but yeah, that is tough | 23:18 |
| rick_h_ | oh, gotcha. Heh yea gotta go into a private channel and confess how sometimes we don't actually know wtf we're doing :) | 23:19 |
| rick_h_ | so everyone still thinks we do | 23:19 |
| greg-g | exactly! | 23:19 |
| greg-g | "I learned 95% of what I know about management from https://twitter.com/PicardTips" | 23:19 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 23:19 |
| greg-g | do you follow that account? it's actually pretty great | 23:20 |
| rick_h_ | I see it RT'd around often enough | 23:20 |
| rick_h_ | I try to keep away from too much noise on twitter | 23:20 |
| rick_h_ | I find enough of that stuff gets my way via people I do follow | 23:20 |
| * greg-g nods | 23:20 | |
| greg-g | I went on an unfollow or "turn off retweets" spree recently, helped a ton | 23:21 |
| rick_h_ | yea, every time my count goes over 150 I start to look for stuff to cut | 23:21 |
| rick_h_ | seems to be a magic number for me | 23:21 |
| rick_h_ | of course I just crossed 200 ugh | 23:21 |
| greg-g | huh, I follow 301.... | 23:21 |
| rick_h_ | I followed leankit today because that's where they announced a network issue today | 23:22 |
| rick_h_ | 150-160 is my happy place | 23:22 |
| rick_h_ | there we go, cut out almost 20 | 23:26 |
| greg-g | :) | 23:26 |
| * greg-g wonders if he's still on the list :P | 23:26 | |
| rick_h_ | :) | 23:26 |
| greg-g | I've really started leaning on the "turn off retweets" thing. Some people retweet way too much, but are pretty sensible with their own stuff | 23:26 |
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