[00:53] Evening [00:54] ugh [01:03] That good eh? [01:41] party [02:23] buttloads of snow [02:48] yay for not having to leave teh house [03:23] ugh for colds :( [11:16] morning [13:00] ug [13:40] heh that good eh? [13:41] ~8" [13:41] Maybe 7 [13:41] A lot of blowing snow last night and this morning making whiteout conditions [13:41] ouch [13:42] just dust here, but it sure seems early in the winter (is it winter yet technically?) for 11F [13:43] It's lake effect snow, so you don't get much of it [13:43] WMU got a snow day this morning [13:43] 6" of snow over there [13:43] surprised they closed over 6 inches [13:43] Yeah, it's really not that bad [13:44] Schools closed here too, but it's not nearly as bad as last year when they stayed open [13:47] well at one point they kind of had to [13:47] they used up all their snow days and it kept coming [13:47] We didn't use them all [13:48] oh, over here they went long after the year to meet the min mandates and such [13:48] And colleges closing over 6" of snow? U-M never closed back in my day [13:48] I guess a lot of them were closed due to cold [13:48] it was so freaking cold last winter [13:48] lol [13:48] well they were saying last year once the worst in 20 years so how long ago were you in school :P [13:49] It's only 18F and 6" of snow and WMU, GVSU, etc are closed [13:49] today [14:15] Good morning [14:15] morning [14:22] I'm representing MUG at work [14:22] it's "Michigan / Detroit day" (spirit week) and I don't have many shirts that have Michigan on them [14:22] I think I have 15 for Ohio between PyOhio, Ohio Linuxfest, and Cinciclassic. [14:23] This is unsustainable. [14:45] i have like a hundred WMU shirts [14:46] brousch: schools are closed because of union contracts. Snow came too early and fast. [15:07] The unions couldn't keep up? :) [15:15] pretty much [15:15] The contracts stipulate things like number of days of notice before work and such. Can't break the rules [15:31] <_stink_> my freshman year at WMU we had a snow day the day before thanksgiving [15:32] <_stink_> which was a big surprise [15:53] I'll bet. [16:20] I'm surprised at the amount of folks commenting on my end of radio post. [16:20] (http://decafbad.net/2014/11/12/seth-godin-an-end-of-radio/) [16:24] don't normally get comments? [16:25] mrgoodcat: Not generally [16:25] Usually I get one or two depending if wolfger or one of my other friends is paying attention [16:25] these are two folks that I don't know. [16:26] Although one of them had kind of a spammish link which I removed. [16:27] But hey, if I'm getting spammers that are actually leaving reasonable comments I'll take it. :) [16:38] Man, it looks like the Debian project is going through some major churn [16:52] in what way? [16:52] code churn or people churn? [16:52] both :) [16:52] People churn [16:53] I think last count of folks stepping down is at 4 [16:53] "Let's Encrypt", thoughts? https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jhalderm/announcing-lets-encrypt/ [17:02] So Let's Encrypt becomes a CA? [17:02] am I reading that right? [17:03] 1) I'm not sure I like the "create a piece of software" bit in order to make certificates easier. [17:03] since I'm not sure what that software will be mucking with [17:03] though getting https certificates installed properly is less than trivial [17:04] 2) What's to keep bad-actors from bad-acting and getting this CA blacklisted? [17:04] On the surface I like it [17:04] Part of the reason I'm not using https is because of cost / PITA. [17:09] greg-g: wish them luck. Dealing with cross domain warnings from browsers, https overhead (austrailia users get a 400ms hit every https domain they get on canonical services), and cert management is hard let's go shopping [17:09] greg-g: but as someone that pays out of pocket for SSL certs on hobby and even our QA sites at work I'm all +1 on https [17:11] and that's beyond the stuff that's just ip addresses or local dns and not real urls and the like [17:15] it is very sad what is happening in systemd world and debian land. [17:15] very similar to the hate filled boycot novell that happened in mono land. [17:20] let's encrypt - as long as its open source, because no other way do I trust "Web site operators simply install a small piece of software that takes care of the entire process." [17:26] I wish there was better support for self-signed certificates [17:27] But I completely understand why I'm asking for something impossible. [17:29] cmaloney: easier to run your own CA. [17:29] cmaloney: and there is great support for that. [17:29] i've not had any luck not getting a ton of warnings about that [17:30] did you import your CA root as a trusted cert? [17:30] I thought I did [17:30] This was a while ago, so the specifics are lost in time [17:44] * DrDaemonEye peers in [17:47] DrDaemonEye: Howdy. :) [17:47] hey hey cmaloney :) [17:47] I had forgotten that I should be here [17:52] Yeah, we need to have some sort of nagging mechanism. ;) [17:52] We do... I think there is also a channel for the michigan users group? [17:52] Yep, #mugorg [17:53] thanks. [17:53] np [17:54] there... I am in all the right local channels [17:56] How's everyone doing? [17:57] Hanging in there. [17:57] Doing the working thing [17:57] listening to Metallica for the first time in forever. [17:57] good good. :) Working... fun stuff. [17:57] Oh nice. I am listening to Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time. [17:59] Yeah, there's a reason that Cliff-era Metallica was one of the big four [17:59] I saw a couple of their albums on vinyl record. [17:59] I think they're reissuing them [17:59] Vinyl is pretty big in the metal world [18:00] http://www.earache.com/uswebstore/ [18:00] Yea. It is becoming big again around town here, but I have a feeling I live in a hipsterish college town. [18:00] Whereabouts? [18:00] Ann Arbor [18:00] yeah, that's a hipsterish college town. ;) [18:01] Though there's a vinyl store in Royal Oak (UHF) that I adore. [18:01] It really is. [18:01] yay Ann Arbor [18:01] jrwren: you in A2? [18:01] yes [18:01] jrwren is the face of Ann Arbor [18:01] you ever make it down to All Hands Active? [18:01] I've been there once or twice. [18:02] Ah okay. you should come by sometime... Just got membership there again [18:02] i was trying to point it out to someone a couple weeks ago. it was 9pm on Monday night after a semjs meeting at Baracuda, and I couldn't find the door. We were just across the street [18:03] Anyway, I think it is about time to get vinyl record player [18:03] Yea, Mondays the door tends to dark [18:03] DrDaemonEye: Yea, i have one that I haven't hooked up [18:03] at least in $newlocation [18:04] :) I also want to get a tube audio amp [18:04] I'd love to find a good one that isn't over $400 [18:04] hehe. :) [18:04] and isn't a kit. ;) [18:04] That or a nice Class-T amp [18:04] I'd want a kit, so I can do custom cases [18:05] I have one that I like but it's a little underpowered [18:05] Pyle 20watt/ch [18:05] nice. :) === sharp1 is now known as akelling [20:47] oh, I didn't realize let's encrypt is an eff project. https://www.eff.org/press/releases/new-free-certificate-authority-dramatically-increase-encrypted-internet-traffic [20:47] It now has my trust. [22:45] rick_h_: does canonical use caching pops/some sort of cdn? [22:46] we put a cache/terminator in SF and it helped oceania a ton (main DC is in Ashburn, with another cache in Amsterdam) [22:46] still bad, without having something in Japan or so all of oceania is screwed [23:00] greg-g: not for all things [23:00] * greg-g nods [23:01] greg-g: the packages stuff has some mirrors [23:01] and things like ubuntu images in the clouds and such [23:01] but for most just apps/etc no. [23:01] gotcha [23:01] though we're looking at some of that in some upcoming work, but not like you guys do I'm sure [23:03] well, our use case is limited [23:03] "text webpages and images" is pretty easy to cache [23:04] yea, true [23:04] the thing with ours is a lot of interactive apps that make caching alone hard enough much less really pushing it too hard out to the edges [23:04] totally [23:05] 99% usecase for us is anonymous users being served a cached copy [23:05] the 1% (editors/logged in users) is harder, of course, but we can easily throw hardware at both problems [23:05] gotcha [23:06] yea, I think our future is more on the idea of running multiple instances of the apps in diff geo regions and getting users to the closest instance [23:06] I can't wait until we have our second DC up and running (in dallas) with full replication/etc [23:06] but we'll see [23:06] woot! [23:06] MOAR POWAR [23:07] we're still tiny compared to the other top 5 websites, but adding another 600+ servers is always fun :) [23:08] how'd you make out building your team? [23:09] still in-progress (one more RelEng hire open, interviews on-going), but going well. We just had a Team Health Check today: [23:09] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Health_check_survey [23:09] "no colds allowed" [23:10] interesting [23:10] stole the idea from Spotify I think [23:10] but yeah, a bunch of teams are doing it [23:10] but, today, we had ours, and we were pretty much all "awesome" for each one. We only had two "meh"s [23:11] Also got a lot of positive feedback in the "Fun" section about how I've held the team together. Basically, I thought to myself "they like me! They really really like me!" [23:13] lol [23:13] always good to hear [23:13] means I'm not enough of a hardass, apparently :P [23:15] I just hide it behind laughing so it sounds better :P [23:15] #managementbehindthescenes [23:16] I can't seem to pull that off. I'm too into everything. It's something to figure out still [23:17] what's it in that sentence? [23:17] "manage behind the scenes" [23:17] as in kind of hands off/invisible [23:18] * rick_h_ needs to do some singing of "let it go! let it go!" [23:18] oh, I meant more "we're talking about our secrets here" [23:18] but yeah, that is tough [23:19] oh, gotcha. Heh yea gotta go into a private channel and confess how sometimes we don't actually know wtf we're doing :) [23:19] so everyone still thinks we do [23:19] exactly! [23:19] "I learned 95% of what I know about management from https://twitter.com/PicardTips" [23:19] lol [23:20] do you follow that account? it's actually pretty great [23:20] I see it RT'd around often enough [23:20] I try to keep away from too much noise on twitter [23:20] I find enough of that stuff gets my way via people I do follow [23:20] * greg-g nods [23:21] I went on an unfollow or "turn off retweets" spree recently, helped a ton [23:21] yea, every time my count goes over 150 I start to look for stuff to cut [23:21] seems to be a magic number for me [23:21] of course I just crossed 200 ugh [23:21] huh, I follow 301.... [23:22] I followed leankit today because that's where they announced a network issue today [23:22] 150-160 is my happy place [23:26] there we go, cut out almost 20 [23:26] :) [23:26] * greg-g wonders if he's still on the list :P [23:26] :) [23:26] I've really started leaning on the "turn off retweets" thing. Some people retweet way too much, but are pretty sensible with their own stuff