[00:53] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:54] <rick_h_> ugh
[01:03] <cmaloney> That good eh?
[01:41] <rick_h_> party
[02:23] <brousch> buttloads of snow
[02:48] <jrwren> yay for not having to leave teh house
[03:23] <greg-g> ugh for colds :(
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning
[13:00] <brousch> ug
[13:40] <rick_h_> heh that good eh?
[13:41] <brousch> ~8"
[13:41] <brousch> Maybe 7
[13:41] <brousch> A lot of blowing snow last night and this morning making whiteout conditions
[13:41] <rick_h_> ouch
[13:42] <rick_h_> just dust here, but it sure seems early in the winter (is it winter yet technically?) for 11F
[13:43] <brousch> It's lake effect snow, so you don't get much of it
[13:43] <mrgoodcat> WMU got a snow day this morning
[13:43] <mrgoodcat> 6" of snow over there
[13:43] <mrgoodcat> surprised they closed over 6 inches
[13:43] <brousch> Yeah, it's really not that bad
[13:44] <brousch> Schools closed here too, but it's not nearly as bad as last year when they stayed open
[13:47] <rick_h_> well at one point they kind of had to
[13:47] <rick_h_> they used up all their snow days and it kept coming
[13:47] <brousch> We didn't use them all
[13:48] <rick_h_> oh, over here they went long after the year to meet the min mandates and such
[13:48] <brousch> And colleges closing over 6" of snow? U-M never closed back in my day
[13:48] <rick_h_> I guess a lot of them were closed due to cold
[13:48] <rick_h_> it was so freaking cold last winter
[13:48] <rick_h_> lol
[13:48] <rick_h_> well they were saying last year once the worst in 20 years so how long ago were you in school :P
[13:49] <brousch> It's only 18F and 6" of snow and WMU, GVSU, etc are closed
[13:49] <brousch> today
[14:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:15] <rick_h_> morning
[14:22] <cmaloney> I'm representing MUG at work
[14:22] <cmaloney> it's "Michigan / Detroit day" (spirit week) and I don't have many shirts that have Michigan on them
[14:22] <cmaloney> I think I have 15 for Ohio between PyOhio, Ohio Linuxfest, and Cinciclassic.
[14:23] <cmaloney> This is unsustainable.
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i have like a hundred WMU shirts
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> brousch: schools are closed because of union contracts. Snow came too early and fast.
[15:07] <cmaloney> The unions couldn't keep up? :)
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> pretty much
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> The contracts stipulate things like number of days of notice before work and such. Can't break the rules
[15:31] <_stink_> my freshman year at WMU we had a snow day the day before thanksgiving
[15:32] <_stink_> which was a big surprise
[15:53] <cmaloney> I'll bet.
[16:20] <cmaloney> I'm surprised at the amount of folks commenting on my end of radio post.
[16:20] <cmaloney> (http://decafbad.net/2014/11/12/seth-godin-an-end-of-radio/)
[16:24] <mrgoodcat> don't normally get comments?
[16:25] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Not generally
[16:25] <cmaloney> Usually I get one or two depending if wolfger or one of my other friends is paying attention
[16:25] <cmaloney> these are two folks that I don't know.
[16:26] <cmaloney> Although one of them had kind of a spammish link which I removed.
[16:27] <cmaloney> But hey, if I'm getting spammers that are actually leaving reasonable comments I'll take it. :)
[16:38] <cmaloney> Man, it looks like the Debian project is going through some major churn
[16:52] <mrgoodcat> in what way?
[16:52] <mrgoodcat> code churn or people churn?
[16:52] <rick_h_> both :)
[16:52] <cmaloney> People churn
[16:53] <cmaloney> I think last count of folks stepping down is at 4
[16:53] <greg-g> "Let's Encrypt", thoughts?  https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jhalderm/announcing-lets-encrypt/
[17:02] <cmaloney> So Let's Encrypt becomes a CA?
[17:02] <cmaloney> am I reading that right?
[17:03] <cmaloney> 1) I'm not sure I like the "create a piece of software" bit in order to make certificates easier.
[17:03] <cmaloney> since I'm not sure what that software will be mucking with
[17:03] <cmaloney> though getting https certificates installed properly is less than trivial
[17:04] <cmaloney> 2) What's to keep bad-actors from bad-acting and getting this CA blacklisted?
[17:04] <cmaloney> On the surface I like it
[17:04] <cmaloney> Part of the reason I'm not using https is because of cost / PITA.
[17:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: wish them luck. Dealing with cross domain warnings from browsers, https overhead (austrailia users get a 400ms hit every https domain they get on canonical services), and cert management is hard let's go shopping
[17:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: but as someone that pays out of pocket for SSL certs on hobby and even our QA sites at work I'm all +1 on https
[17:11] <rick_h_> and that's beyond the stuff that's just ip addresses or local dns and not real urls and the like
[17:15] <jrwren> it is very sad what is happening in systemd world and debian land.
[17:15] <jrwren> very similar to the hate filled boycot novell that happened in mono land.
[17:20] <jrwren> let's encrypt - as long as its open source, because no other way do I trust "Web site operators simply install a small piece of software that takes care of the entire process."
[17:26] <cmaloney> I wish there was better support for self-signed certificates
[17:27] <cmaloney> But I completely understand why I'm asking for something impossible.
[17:29] <jrwren> cmaloney: easier to run your own CA.
[17:29] <jrwren> cmaloney: and there is great support for that.
[17:29] <cmaloney> i've not had any luck not getting a ton of warnings about that
[17:30] <jrwren> did you import your CA root as a trusted cert?
[17:30] <cmaloney> I thought I did
[17:30] <cmaloney> This was a while ago, so the specifics are lost in time
[17:44]  * DrDaemonEye peers in
[17:47] <cmaloney> DrDaemonEye: Howdy. :)
[17:47] <DrDaemonEye> hey hey cmaloney :)
[17:47] <DrDaemonEye> I had forgotten that I should be here
[17:52] <cmaloney> Yeah, we need to have some sort of nagging mechanism. ;)
[17:52] <DrDaemonEye> We do... I think there is also a channel for the michigan users group?
[17:52] <cmaloney> Yep, #mugorg
[17:53] <DrDaemonEye> thanks.
[17:53] <cmaloney> np
[17:54] <DrDaemonEye> there... I am in all the right local channels
[17:56] <DrDaemonEye> How's everyone doing?
[17:57] <cmaloney> Hanging in there.
[17:57] <cmaloney> Doing the working thing
[17:57] <cmaloney> listening to Metallica for the first time in forever.
[17:57] <DrDaemonEye> good good.  :)  Working... fun stuff.
[17:57] <DrDaemonEye> Oh nice.  I am listening to Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time.
[17:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's a reason that Cliff-era Metallica was one of the big four
[17:59] <DrDaemonEye> I saw a couple of their albums on vinyl record.
[17:59] <cmaloney> I think they're reissuing them
[17:59] <cmaloney> Vinyl is pretty big in the metal world
[18:00] <cmaloney> http://www.earache.com/uswebstore/
[18:00] <DrDaemonEye> Yea.  It is becoming big again around town here, but I have a feeling I live in a hipsterish college town.
[18:00] <cmaloney> Whereabouts?
[18:00] <DrDaemonEye> Ann Arbor
[18:00] <cmaloney> yeah, that's a hipsterish college town. ;)
[18:01] <cmaloney> Though there's a vinyl store in Royal Oak (UHF) that I adore.
[18:01] <DrDaemonEye> It really is.
[18:01] <jrwren> yay Ann Arbor
[18:01] <DrDaemonEye> jrwren: you in A2?
[18:01] <jrwren> yes
[18:01] <cmaloney> jrwren is the face of Ann Arbor
[18:01] <DrDaemonEye> you ever make it down to All Hands Active?
[18:01] <jrwren> I've been there once or twice.
[18:02] <DrDaemonEye> Ah okay.  you should come by sometime... Just got membership there again
[18:02] <jrwren> i was trying to point it out to someone a couple weeks ago. it was 9pm on Monday night after a semjs meeting at Baracuda, and I couldn't find the door. We were just across the street
[18:03] <DrDaemonEye> Anyway, I think it is about time to get vinyl record player
[18:03] <DrDaemonEye> Yea, Mondays the door tends to dark
[18:03] <cmaloney> DrDaemonEye: Yea, i have one that I haven't hooked up
[18:03] <cmaloney> at least in $newlocation
[18:04] <DrDaemonEye> :)  I also want to get a tube audio amp
[18:04] <cmaloney> I'd love to find a good one that isn't over $400
[18:04] <DrDaemonEye> hehe.  :)
[18:04] <cmaloney> and isn't a kit. ;)
[18:04] <cmaloney> That or a nice Class-T amp
[18:04] <DrDaemonEye> I'd want a kit, so I can do custom cases
[18:05] <cmaloney> I have one that I like but it's a little underpowered
[18:05] <cmaloney> Pyle 20watt/ch
[18:05] <DrDaemonEye> nice.  :)
[20:47] <jrwren> oh, I didn't realize let's encrypt is an eff project. https://www.eff.org/press/releases/new-free-certificate-authority-dramatically-increase-encrypted-internet-traffic
[20:47] <jrwren> It now has my trust.
[22:45] <greg-g> rick_h_: does canonical use caching pops/some sort of cdn?
[22:46] <greg-g> we put a cache/terminator in SF and it helped oceania a ton (main DC is in Ashburn, with another cache in Amsterdam)
[22:46] <greg-g> still bad, without having something in Japan or so all of oceania is screwed
[23:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: not for all things
[23:00]  * greg-g nods
[23:01] <rick_h_> greg-g: the packages stuff has some mirrors
[23:01] <rick_h_> and things like ubuntu images in the clouds and such
[23:01] <rick_h_> but for most just apps/etc no.
[23:01] <greg-g> gotcha
[23:01] <rick_h_> though we're looking at some of that in some upcoming work, but not like you guys do I'm sure
[23:03] <greg-g> well, our use case is limited
[23:03] <greg-g> "text webpages and images" is pretty easy to cache
[23:04] <rick_h_> yea, true
[23:04] <rick_h_> the thing with ours is a lot of interactive apps that make caching alone hard enough much less really pushing it too hard out to the edges
[23:04] <greg-g> totally
[23:05] <greg-g> 99% usecase for us is anonymous users being served a cached copy
[23:05] <greg-g> the 1% (editors/logged in users) is harder, of course, but we can easily throw hardware at both problems
[23:05] <rick_h_> gotcha
[23:06] <rick_h_> yea, I think our future is more on the idea of running multiple instances of the apps in diff geo regions and getting users to the closest instance
[23:06] <greg-g> I can't wait until we have our second DC up and running (in dallas) with full replication/etc
[23:06] <rick_h_> but we'll see
[23:06] <rick_h_> woot!
[23:06] <rick_h_> MOAR POWAR
[23:07] <greg-g> we're still tiny compared to the other top 5 websites, but adding another 600+ servers is always fun :)
[23:08] <rick_h_> how'd you make out building your team?
[23:09] <greg-g> still in-progress (one more RelEng hire open, interviews on-going), but going well. We just had a Team Health Check today:
[23:09] <greg-g> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Health_check_survey
[23:09] <rick_h_> "no colds allowed"
[23:10] <rick_h_> interesting
[23:10] <greg-g> stole the idea from Spotify I think
[23:10] <greg-g> but yeah, a bunch of teams are doing it
[23:10] <greg-g> but, today, we had ours, and we were pretty much all "awesome" for each one. We only had two "meh"s
[23:11] <greg-g> Also got a lot of positive feedback in the "Fun" section about how I've held the team together. Basically, I thought to myself "they like me! They really really like me!"
[23:13] <rick_h_> lol
[23:13] <rick_h_> always good to hear
[23:13] <greg-g> means I'm not enough of a hardass, apparently :P
[23:15] <rick_h_> I just hide it behind laughing so it sounds better :P
[23:15] <greg-g> #managementbehindthescenes
[23:16] <rick_h_> I can't seem to pull that off. I'm too into everything. It's something to figure out still
[23:17] <greg-g> what's it in that sentence?
[23:17] <rick_h_> "manage behind the scenes"
[23:17] <rick_h_> as in kind of hands off/invisible
[23:18]  * rick_h_ needs to do some singing of "let it go! let it go!"
[23:18] <greg-g> oh, I meant more "we're talking about our secrets here"
[23:18] <greg-g> but yeah, that is tough
[23:19] <rick_h_> oh, gotcha. Heh yea gotta go into a private channel and confess how sometimes we don't actually know wtf we're doing :)
[23:19] <rick_h_> so everyone still thinks we do
[23:19] <greg-g> exactly!
[23:19] <greg-g> "I learned 95% of what I know about management from https://twitter.com/PicardTips"
[23:19] <rick_h_> lol
[23:20] <greg-g> do you follow that account? it's actually pretty great
[23:20] <rick_h_> I see it RT'd around often enough
[23:20] <rick_h_> I try to keep away from too much noise on twitter
[23:20] <rick_h_> I find enough of that stuff gets my way via people I do follow
[23:20]  * greg-g nods
[23:21] <greg-g> I went on an unfollow or "turn off retweets" spree recently, helped a ton
[23:21] <rick_h_> yea, every time my count goes over 150 I start to look for stuff to cut
[23:21] <rick_h_> seems to be a magic number for me
[23:21] <rick_h_> of course I just crossed 200 ugh
[23:21] <greg-g> huh, I follow 301....
[23:22] <rick_h_> I followed leankit today because that's where they announced a network issue today
[23:22] <rick_h_> 150-160 is my happy place
[23:26] <rick_h_> there we go, cut out almost 20
[23:26] <greg-g> :)
[23:26]  * greg-g wonders if he's still on the list :P
[23:26] <rick_h_> :)
[23:26] <greg-g> I've really started leaning on the "turn off retweets" thing. Some people retweet way too much, but are pretty sensible with their own stuff