[03:39] <Phil-n> Just a test before tomorrow's noon meeting.
[10:40] <belkinsa> Keep in mind it's in #ubuntu-meeting.
[10:40] <belkinsa> Not in here.
[16:00] <shirgall> It's kinda sad, http://news.dice.com/2014/10/09/5-programming-languages-marked-for-death/?icid=ON_DN_UP_JS_AV_OG_RA_1 says that "perl" is marked for death. I did a lot of Perl over the years.
[16:01] <ObrienDave> they said that about COBOL and FORTRAN 30 years ago LOL
[16:04] <wxl> thanks for the reminder belkinsa
[16:04] <wxl> i hope as many of you can make it to the meeting as possible
[16:04] <wxl> it's too bad c_smith can't make it
[16:07] <shirgall> Yeah, I had to learn COBOL and FORTRAN when I got my degree, but I've not used them much.
[16:08] <shirgall> To be fair, the cool language at the time was Pascal, but I focused on C. ;)
[16:08] <ObrienDave> I remember pascal
[16:08] <shirgall> For what it's Wirth. ;)
[16:09] <shirgall> The related Dice article on what's cool now has lots of languages I don't use... http://news.dice.com/2014/07/29/5-programming-languages-youll-need-next-year-beyond/?icid=ON_DN_UP_JS_AV_OG_RA_3
[19:49] <wxl> hey everyone
[19:49] <wxl> 10 minute warning for our re-verification meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:50] <polson8> should we join that channel yet or wait closer to the time?
[19:50] <wxl> polson8: you can join now
[19:50] <wxl> i'm idling there and have been for about the past hour XD
[19:50] <belkinsa> You can do it now, there is no meetings going on now
[19:50]  * belkinsa has been ilding for 2 hours
[19:50] <polson8> cool, thanks. I was sure if there might be a prior meeting on that channel :)
[19:51] <belkinsa> Naw, it's rare that there is a meeting before a meeting
[19:51] <belkinsa> It is all here: http://fridge.ubuntu.com//calendars/
[19:52] <polson8> awesome. last place I worked, the conference rooms were often booked solid. Of course, that was in person, not IRC...
[19:53] <belkinsa> It's different on IRC, indeed.  Many just idle in channels.
[19:53] <belkinsa> It's a differnt world in Open Source and online communities
[19:56] <polson8> Nice. Too bad most of us have to work in the other environment to make a living.
[19:57] <belkinsa> Yeah, but still voluteering some where is a good thing
[19:57] <shirgall> A lot more people in #ubuntu-meeting than I expected. Quite a party.
[19:58] <belkinsa> Keep in mind there is more ilders than active folks for the meeting
[19:58] <polson8> I figure it's the least I can do given I've been using linux-based OS's so long I can't remember what year I started. Plus, it's turned out to be enjoyable so far.
[19:58] <polson8> Although I haven't really done much yet, but got to start by learning how this all works. :)
[19:58] <belkinsa> Same here, this is my second year of doing community work and my 5th year of using Linux
[19:59] <polson8> oh. I started using linux in 1996, '97 or '98, but haven't figured out how to determine which it was
[20:08] <shirgall> For me back then it was Slackware
[20:09] <polson8> I'm not sure I ever tried that one. Had a few arguments with Red Hat Linux though.
[20:10] <shirgall> I was coming from a background of SVR2 and SVR3, it was the most familiar for me at the time.
[20:11] <polson8> never used those. I started with Linux because it didn't freeze and crash like windows did (for me anyway) back then.
[20:11] <jvlb> While we have a moment, let me mention that the Free Software Foundation is promoting their Giving Guide, a guide that helps consumers pick Christmas gifts that promote software freedom. You can learn more at https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/giving-guide-giveaway-primer
[20:11] <shirgall> I did because I hated paying big bucks for a C compiler. ;)
[20:12] <wxl> super cool, jvlb !!!!
[20:12] <shirgall> Before Slackware, I was playing with AIX. ;)
[20:12] <shirgall> And Xenix
[20:12] <belkinsa> Cool jvlb.
[20:13] <polson8> I actually have a box somewhere with Xenix (for intel 386 if I recall correctly) on 3.5" disks. never figured out how to do much with it...
[20:16] <jvlb> Well, if we're traipsing down memory lane, how about CP/M?
[20:16] <polson8> I've heard of it :)
[20:17] <wxl> grew up on it
[20:17]  * wxl 's first computer was a C=128
[20:18] <belkinsa> wxl, say it.
[20:18] <belkinsa> ;)
[20:18] <wxl> belkinsa: hands off my cloak? :)
[20:18] <belkinsa> My family's first computer was a Windows 3.1
[20:18] <belkinsa> No, wrong channel.  The news.
[20:18] <jvlb> CP/M was the first popular OS for microcomputers. It ran on Intel 8080s and 8085s as well as Zilog Z80s. That was in the late '70s.
[20:19] <wxl> in case you all werent in #ubuntu-meeting the reverification is going to happen via a private bug report that the loco council will use
[20:19] <wxl> if there are any comments or concerns, please send them to me and i'll get them on there
[20:19] <wxl> i'm not 100% sure why they have to be private but c'est la vie
[20:19] <jvlb> There was a later variant that ran on the 8086 architecture, called CP/M 86, which competed with MS DOS.
[20:19] <belkinsa> And the voting will be done via LC's mailing-list
[20:20] <wxl> yeppers
[20:20] <wxl> outside of the commodore, i cut my teeth on remote freebsd shells a la the cleveland freenet
[20:22] <shirgall> I did CP/M on a Z80 card in a a Apple ][ ;)
[20:23] <shirgall> wxl: I don't have any comments or concerns, it seemed pretty routine for a re-up
[20:23] <wxl> yep
[20:23] <wxl> that's what i thought too
[20:23] <jvlb> A Z80 was a screamer compared to the Mostek 6502.
[20:25] <shirgall> 4.77MHz should be enough for anybody... but I did want to move up to having DIV and MUL in assembly.
[20:25] <jvlb> Hey, real geeks only code in binary.
[20:26] <shirgall> I did VAX assembly, does that count? ;)
[20:26] <wxl> real geeks punch cards
[20:26] <jvlb> Or tapes.
[20:26] <wxl> real geeks weave
[20:26] <jvlb> Paper tapes, that is.
[20:26] <shirgall> Real geeks remember using a sharpie to mark a deck from corner to corner to make it easier to put back in order after an operator dropped the deck
[20:26] <wxl> hahahah
[20:27] <shirgall> And, yeah, I remember 1600 bits per inch with half inch gaps between blocks
[20:27] <shirgall> You all are making me feel old.
[20:28] <shirgall> But this year does mark 30 years in IT for me.
[20:28] <wxl> nice
[20:28] <shirgall> (back in July)
[20:29] <jvlb> @shirgall: It should make you feel better, then, to know I started in '71 on a Telex terminal, with Fortran IV.
[20:29] <meetingology> jvlb: Error: "shirgall:" is not a valid command.
[20:29] <wxl> sudo make-me-coffee
[20:30] <shirgall> jvlb: I meant getting paid for it, I had a Decwriter and a DEC 10 to learn BASIC and TECO back in the 70s (my Dad worked at University of Wyoming)
[20:30] <shirgall> Anyway...
[20:31] <jvlb> Okay, I started getting paid for it in '77. If you call what I got "getting paid".
[20:33] <shirgall> I know the feeling. ;)
[20:34] <jvlb> Well, I gotta bug out. Catch y'all later.
[22:52] <shirgall> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2014/11/18/regular-loco-council-meeting-for-november-2014/